[quote author="Trooper" date=1218376782]<em>"One of the guys, now 60ish, vividly recounted being turned away from the boy scouts. Simply because he was black and the local boy scouts group was a white group and if the Scoutmaster let him in, everybody else would leave. How they had to form their own group. And, how to this day, it still upset him. The fact that it still upset him and he was still angry about it was obvious.
That was the double a-ha of the movie and board discussion. First Wow, ?They wouldn?t let you in the boyscouts?!?!? Second Wow, ?That?s 50 years ago and you?re still pissed off.?
Deep wounds". </em>
Tookie Williams was a monster. Not getting into the Boy Scouts might have sucked, but seems like he had a little more going on in his life that also helped those wounds. To this day, the Boy Scouts don't allow homosexuals, but you don't see us forming our own homicidal gang because we're pissed. The phrase "they had to form their own group"....sheesh, what an understatement. They formed the Crips to emulate the Black Panthers, to create social change by any means necessary. When that didn't work, well.....the rest is history.
<em>"For instance, it is instructive to note how the trajectory that
led Williams into Crip life hits all the marks we've come to expect whenever
troubled boys become gangsters: His biological father was never in the
picture; his mother, whom Williams all but deifies, was a pregnant teenager-
turned-church woman who thought the way to corral her energetic boy child
was to beat him over the most minor infraction, using belts and electrical
cords. Only once does Williams hint that what he calls her "biblically-inspired
beatings" might have done him emotional damage. "The frequency of the
beatings aged me considerably," he writes of his early childhood. "I became
more unruly, distant and indifferent to the predictable consequence of my
actions."</em>
Tookie was executed by the State of California in 2005.
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crips">The Crips</a>
I agree that those times were obviously difficult for blacks, but I couldn't help but respond when I recognized who you were talking about.
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I am going to back Troop up on this one. Tookie was the best case for coaching a ruthless, coldblooded, murderer as a nice guy with issues who [strike]wrote[/strike] had a children's book written for him. There are plenty of videos of the real Tookie out there, and not just the empathic attorney supported versions that were made into a movie. Do a google search and you will see the bias of save Tookie. And please, please do not think of this as any political leaning ideal. I have no allegiance to a political party, I think for myself and get my own answers. Back in the day you knew clear as day who was a crip and who was a blood, and you didn't want to be in between them when they were around each other. I know... gasp... someone in OC saw this? Yup, and it wasn't fun. Has it changed? Not much. In fact it has become worse, you don't know who is a gang member and who isn't, but I am sure Trooper does. Granted, Tookie had the right idea in the end, but it was too little too late.
And, the Boy Scout thing reminds me of that South Park episode where they boot Big Gay Al out as the troop leader, only to bring in the burly military manly dude who molests the kids anyway. Then the kids go and protest the new leader, but no one listens. Thank gawd people are becoming more open minded, and realize it isn't the the ones you think you should fear, but the ones you don't know to fear that are the worst of them all.