HAHA, say bye bye to granite!

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The title of this article is too good! What will realtors say in their listings now if they can't drool over granite?





http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/26/rea..._ratio_drops/index.htm?postversion=2008022914


Say good-bye to granite countertops

High-end kitchen and bath renovations just aren't boosting a home's value the way they used to. Sellers who succumbed to home over-improvement syndrome are feeling the pain.

<p>During the housing boom, updating a kitchen with high end materials like cherry wood cabinets and a Viking stove was a sure bet to boost a home's value. Homeowners often recovered about 80% of the cost when the house was later sold. </p>

<p>But with so much more inventory on the market for buyers to choose from, they just aren't as impressed with the bells and whistles. Now most upscale renovations are returning less than 70% of their cost, according to a recent survey from the National Association of Realtors (NAR) and <em>Remodeling</em> magazine.</p>

<p>"Pay-back for high-end projects has declined over the past few years," said Kermit Baker, chief economist for the American Institute of Architects (AIA). "People planning to sell shouldn't over-improve," he said. "They won't get the money out if they sell in the next two or three years." </p>

<p>NAR's survey revealed that returns on investment for a wide range of high-end interior redecorations dropped in 2007. An upscale bathroom renovation cost an average of $50,590, nationally, but only added $34,588 to house value - a 68.4% return. In 2006, a high-end bath renovation returned 77.4% of its cost.</p>

<p>Adding a brand new bath didn't pay off as well either, earning just a 69% return in 2007, compared with 72.8% in 2006. High-end kitchen remodels held up better, adding value equal to 74.1% of the cost, compared with 75.9% in 2006.</p>



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<p>Many owners simply went too far amidst the mania, over-improving their homes beyond what the local market would bear, according to Darius Baker, a veteran Sacramento, Calif., contractor.</p>

<p>In the past his clients were more likely to opt for expensive redos even if they were planning to move, since they knew they'd recoup most of their costs.</p>

<p>"I definitely saw a lot of tract houses built in the 1970s, in developments with three basic floors plans, get expensive renovations," he said. "We did a lot of radical projects, moving walls around, installing granite counters instead of Formica and cherry wood cabinets instead of oak."</p>

<p>The numbers made sense. In 2005, a fancy kitchen renovation on the West Coast returned an average of 93% of its cost. Even if the owner got only a year or two use of it, the close-to-break-even return made it worthwhile. By 2007, the return had declined precipitously to 74%.</p>

<p>Today, people who are moving out soon, Darius Baker said, "are not looking to make the place a Taj Mahal." They're just doing enough to make the house presentable.</p>

<p>In the current environment, owners are cutting back on upscale renovations, according to Fred Ugast, chief operating officer of HomeTech, which supplies cost statistics for NAR's annual Cost vs. Value index report.</p>

<p>"We're seeing a lot of pull-back in the high end," he said. </p>

<p>A separate report from the AIA also found demand for luxury features waning in 2007 according to the AIA. The popularity of high-end appliances declined from 65% to 47%. Demand for larger pantry spaces went down from 64% to 51% and wine refrigerators fell from 53% to 49%.</p>

<p>Still, people are willing to spend on their own comfort. Most of the high-end jobs that Darius Baker is getting are for clients staying put for a long time. </p>

<p>"They're saying, ''I'm not concerned about the price because I'm not leaving until they carry me out,'" he said.</p>

<p>And returns for high-end exterior renovations are still holding up, according to the NAR report, with better pay-offs than interior work. </p>

<p>For example, sprucing up a home's look with expensive fiber-cement siding, which looks like wood but is more durable, returns 88% on investment, more than any other renovation NAR evaluated.</p>

<p>"It could indicate that curb appeal is even more important than in the past," said NAR spokesman, Walter Molony. "It might get the home more serious looks from buyers."</p>

<p>Mick De Giulio, of Chicago-based De Giulio Kitchen Design, also senses a downshift in the market. "The high-end is still strong, but there's something in the air," he said. "I just finished jobs for two very high-end clients. We put kitchens in their new homes, but they can't sell their old ones." <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/26/real_estate/remodel_cost_value_ratio_drops/index.htm?postversion=2008022914#TOP"><img width="7" height="7" border="0" alt="To top of page" src="http://i.cnn.net/money/images/bug.gif" /></a></p>
 
<p>My wife and I discussed this the other day. The ammount of homes that have been overimproved in neighborhoods that never should of had them is staggering.</p>

<p>That $80K in upgrades might make your home easier to sell, but that's it.</p>
 
Check out a local <a href="http://www.urbanslabs.com/index.html">company Urban Slabs</a>. I am highly considering them for my kitchen.
 
<p>"The ammount of homes that have been overimproved in neighborhoods that never should of had them is staggering."</p>

<p>I think years later, as we amble through neighborhoods, we will point to some houses and say with a tone of derision, "yeah, you can tell that house was rebuilt during the first decade since it is humungous, barely fits on the lot, and looks out of place compared to the original, more modest homes in the neighborhood." We will probably also note that the same folks in the more modest homes are still there, whereas the jackass who ruined the neighborhood esthetic is not.</p>

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How do you determine the ROI of an upgrade? Do you sit people down in a room, show them various before and after pictures, and ask them how much more they would pay for the house?
 
<p>Answer: It depends. I've posted this before, but it deserves resposting.</p>

<p>I'm into cars. Really into cars. You have no idea. I see people who claim they can paint a car 'showready' for a thousand bucks.</p>

<p>B U L L S H I T.</p>

<p>I just bought materials to paint my car. They cost $1200. That doesn't include parts I replaced (about $1500), the $5000 labor bill to put them on, the prep bill of $600, or the "incidentals" which cost probablly another thousand. And I got a good guy price. And I'm not done (we haven't sprayed it yet). From my experence, this is pretty standard for doing a quality respray on a 40 year old car. If you wanted to make any money it would have to be much higher. But for the sake of arguement, lets say I've got a $10K paint job.</p>

<p>Is it cost effective to put a $10K paint job on a Dusenberg that is worth $1,000,000? Probablly so. I might get a premium for the trouble.</p>

<p>Is it cost effective to put a $10K paint job on a '75 Maverick? Probablly not. I'd be lucky to get another $500 for it.</p>

<p>Anybody who put $100K into a remodel in a working class OC neighborhood is in for a rude awakening here pretty quick.</p>
 
A LOSS BUT MAYBE A HIDDEN GAIN?



Hmm...



Although i agree that many people went nuts revamping thier homes, i know that as long as its not OVER done, it does still help the home move in todays maket. Food for thought; once someone actually decides to buy the home for sale, the biggest issue is getting the appraisal to fly. I have seen the properties that look better (On Appraisals) get through with less issues than those that dont.; Loan underwriters are having a hay day with them.



The problem with our home financing today (amongst all that is in the news) is getting the appraisal to pencil. As a seller, you may not have a ROI like you used to, but it may save you 6-12 months of mortgage payments trying to get the home to sell.
 
<p>No_vas, actually I <em>do </em>have an idea of what it means to be an OCD carguy. I just spent $160 for 2 intake gaskets for a car that would sell for about $1200 <em>after</em> I'm done putting in the brand new factory long-block--in my garage with the bendpak--and getting it back on the road. I'm OCD about the mechanical things though, not looks (at least not with this one). If I ever go that route I'll be there too, paying $1200 for paint and another $3-500 for equipment to keep my shop air dry. Hopefully my insania doesn't turn down that path, but it seems to conveniently fill every void in my schedule. I don't want to get rid of any cars, but it may become necessary to stay sane. I love my cars but they're so much harder to maintain than econoboxes.</p>

<p>I still want to know how the ROI is actually calculated. What's the methodology?</p>
 
<p>I think they studied what it actually cost to do a project vs how much extra it added to the appraised value.</p>

<p>You can be damn sure that's why new homes never come with rear landscaping.</p>
 
getting 80% back is just mind-blowingly retarded. If and only if, you can put that stuff in and sell your place quicker than normal and then 'recover' the other 20% by stemming your loss in a crappy market...



lawyeriz - if that cast iron pot is heavy enough, what counter wouldn't bust? ;)
 
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