Election Night 2009

Wasn't McDonnell too far right for purple Virginia? The Washington Post sure tried their best to highlight his college thesis which espoused ideas that even today's conservatives wouldn't dare touch. I think the whole Deeds campaign was pretty much "McDonnell is a crazy freaky conservative!!!" Yet he won 66% of independents.
 
[quote author="green_cactus" date=1257406643][quote author="Nude" date=1257400726][quote author="green_cactus" date=1257399609][quote author="Nude" date=1257396531]The independents, the people's who votes determine the course of elections, aren't onboard with Obama anymore.</blockquote>


If the GOP keeps up with their infighting this may not hold true anymore. I'm just waiting for Palin to run as a 3rd party candidate ...</blockquote>


Okay, I'll bite... what infighting? Aside from NY23, where are you seeing infighting costing Republicans an election? And in what scenario does Sarah Palin run as a 3rd party candidate... and for which office?</blockquote>


Marco Rubio vs. House Speaker Gov. Charlie Crist in Florida for one. Crist is labeled by as a <strong> closeted gay </strong>"squishy moderate who can't be trusted" - he is being derided for accepting stimulus funds and embracing Obama. Rubio may get wild support from the conservative base, but I just don't see how he has a broader appeal among independents.</blockquote>


Fixed that for you. The more these allegations spread, the further the Republican base will distance itself from Crist.
 
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Marco Rubio vs. House Speaker Gov. Charlie Crist in Florida for one. Crist is labeled by as a <strong> closeted gay </strong>"squishy moderate who can't be trusted" - he is being derided for accepting stimulus funds and embracing Obama. Rubio may get wild support from the conservative base, but I just don't see how he has a broader appeal among independents.</blockquote>


Fixed that for you. The more these allegations spread, the further the Republican base will distance itself from Crist.</blockquote>


Crist was viable right up until he decided to appoint a buddy to keep the Senate seat warm for him. It's that kind of arrogance that got the GOP booted out of power and if we can avoid empowering people like that by defeating them in the primary, then I'm sure every skeleton is going to be taken out for a walk along the way. I'd rather see the seat go to a Democrat than put another patrician, establishment-type into office. They align themselves with Conservatives for the small government and the low taxes but they demand total deregulation and financial control in return and then run to the Democrats for bailouts.



I'm telling you, this isn't infighting or a war within the party, it's housecleaning. Neoconservatives and Ivy League RINOs are going to get a wake up call in the next few days, in the form of primary challenges and Conservative ultimatums. Forget about Sarah Palin, she's in it for the attention and the free travel provided by speaking engagements, not to mention the money. The people to watch for are the people like Hoffman, McDonnell, Jindal, and Rubio. If jobs don't improve, if the economy doesn't recover, if the Dems try to force another StimPak through Congress without any clear evidence that the last one is succeeding in making things better... you can count on those people to start making the case for a Conservative majority in both houses.
 
[quote author="Oxtail" date=1257414915]Wasn't McDonnell too far right for purple Virginia? The Washington Post sure tried their best to highlight his college thesis which espoused ideas that even today's conservatives wouldn't dare touch. I think the whole Deeds campaign was pretty much "McDonnell is a crazy freaky conservative!!!" Yet he won 66% of independents.</blockquote>


Voter turn out was the lowest in 40 years. Although independents swung right, the demographics of the voting population also changed (as compared to who turned the state purple). This may not be the best example to predict voting patterns in the future. I'm not denying that independents are looking for a new direction - there definitely is some disillusion with Obama. I just don't see some uber-conservative appealing to the middle ground in the next presidential election. Since the economy is the main focus for most voters, I can definitely see someone who is fiscally conservative but socially moderate gaining a lot of ground.
 
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I'm telling you, this isn't infighting or a war within the party, it's housecleaning. </blockquote>


I guess it depends on who's house you think it is.
 
[quote author="freedomCM" date=1257474269][quote author="Nude" date=1257440604]

I'm telling you, this isn't infighting or a war within the party, it's housecleaning. </blockquote>


I guess it depends on who's house you think it is.</blockquote>


And that's the point I am trying to make: the people who make up the GOP, the actual party members and registered voters, have to take the control away from the big business, country club types who have been making the kind of candidate choices you see in NY23 or in Crist's self-serving appointment. For the past 25 years they have been paying lip service to Conservative ideals yet giving in on everything but defense and social issues (they need to keep the social conservatives on the reservation, so to speak) while handing the keys to the safe over to business and Wall St. But after 8 years of Bush and Cheney, we're tired of seeing our values ignored in the quest to win elections. Clearly, running to the middle hasn't proven to be a successful strategy. And I'm not advocating, nor am I seeing, support for ultra-conservative candidates. There is no rush to put David Duke on any ticket and I haven't even heard that kind of discussion going on. What I am seeing is conservatives deciding that they've had enough with the Neo-cons, and the GOP patricians, and the Country Clubbers who have been running the party. They are turning out in Primaries and speaking up in town halls and organizing at the grass roots.



Conservatives embrace the kind of government laid out in the Constitution: limited Federal powers, States as political citizens with their own representation, maximum liberty for it's citizens which requires personal responsibility (ruling out hypocritical candidates) rather than the top-down governance of a centralized power that acts like Big Mother. We want a level playing field so that <em>every person</em> can enjoy the equal opportunity to succeed or fail according to their own efforts, rather than a government that tries to distribute equal results regardless of effort. Conservatives acknowledge that a strong social safety net is both desirable and required for a stable society but believe that those efforts are best managed on a local level by people who are already serving the community in which they live, not a distant government with it's own standards and inefficient bureaucracy. Conservatives aren't against regulation, as long as that regulation is intended to keep the playing field level and not place onerous burdens on industry in order to punish success, but we don't support bailing out businesses that can not stand on their own; failure is a consequence that must be as acceptable as success, or we will learn nothing from the experience. We are not awed or owned by Big Business or Wall Street, but we recognize that they are the traditional source of the capital that funds industry and those Big Businesses are also Big Employers, providing jobs to millions; every single one of them started as a small business with a bank loan. And Conservative does not mean "Neo-Con"... we should not be sending people to die in order to install governments more to our liking; if we are going to fight, let it be in support of those who are already sending their own people into harm's way or in defense of our allies and ourselves. That being said, there is no group more committed to winning our wars than people who call themselves Conservative and we hate to see our leaders leaving our armed forces hanging out to dry while they try to stay popular. We are husbands and wives who go to work every day so we can provide for our families and support our communities, just like everyone else. We believe that what has made the country great is the individual successes that are built upon by other individuals, who in turn build new success, and the freedom to follow your own path, unfettered by government policies that are designed to make people dependent on that government. We are not evil, or heartless, or selfish, or cruel. We are happy, loving, generous, and responsible and we are trying to keep this country as it was intended to be, the freest Republic in the world.
 
<blockquote>We are not evil, or heartless, or selfish, or cruel. We are happy, loving, generous, and responsible and we are trying to keep this country as it was intended to be, the freest Republic in the world. </blockquote>


This is not my idea of the freest Republic in the World. We have some serious problems. And the Conservative idea of ignoring our society as a whole is is going to keep them from regaining power.



<img src="http://www.bltserv.com/images/Prisoner_population_rate_UN_HDR_2007_2008.jpg" alt="" />
 
<strong>????? Are you suggesting the reason there are more people in Jail in the US then anywhere else is because of the Republicans?????</strong>



Here is a link to an article <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/world/americas/23iht-23prison.12253738.html">U.S. prison population dwarfs that of other nations</a> that attempts to explain the disparity and it never mentions the Conservative Right.
 
I am suggesting that Nudes Statement that we are "The Freest Republic on the Planet" needs to be looked at from all the perspectives of the word "freedom". We can continue to build more and more prisons

until we create his Free Utopia of a Police State.



How many conservatives want to end the war on drugs by Legalization ?

How Many Conservatives want to lower our insane incarceration rates by reducing sentences for

petty crimes ? Republicans fought hard for these tough sentencing laws.

Keeping all these people in jail costs BIG money. But in the conservative way of thinking.

"Its not my problem". "Just build more prisons". Well here in California thats a big part of what is breaking the states budget.



So what do we do with the less educated that turn to crime and drugs ?

Conservatives dont care about the lower class or the inner city. Its not their problem.

But it is. And now they cant stay in office because the huddled masses have decided to vote.

(Or work for Acorn and get $ 5.00 per Voter Registration). LOL.
 
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This is not my idea of the freest Republic in the World. We have some serious problems. And the Conservative idea of ignoring our society as a whole is is going to keep them from regaining power.



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What is up with Greenland? Is grey too high for the chart? :)
 
[quote author="T!m" date=1257572626][quote author="bltserv" date=1257494199]

This is not my idea of the freest Republic in the World. We have some serious problems. And the Conservative idea of ignoring our society as a whole is is going to keep them from regaining power.



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What is up with Greenland? Is grey too high for the chart? :)</blockquote>


And what's up with China? I guess if you execute criminals instead of imprisoning them, that doesn't count on the chart.
 
[quote author="bltserv" date=1257567134]I am suggesting that Nudes Statement that we are "The Freest Republic on the Planet" needs to be looked at from all the perspectives of the word "freedom". We can continue to build more and more prisons

until we create his Free Utopia of a Police State.



How many conservatives want to end the war on drugs by Legalization ?

How Many Conservatives want to lower our insane incarceration rates by reducing sentences for

petty crimes ? Republicans fought hard for these tough sentencing laws.

Keeping all these people in jail costs BIG money. But in the conservative way of thinking.

"Its not my problem". "Just build more prisons". Well here in California thats a big part of what is breaking the states budget.



So what do we do with the less educated that turn to crime and drugs ?

Conservatives dont care about the lower class or the inner city. Its not their problem.

But it is. And now they cant stay in office because the huddled masses have decided to vote.

(Or work for Acorn and get $ 5.00 per Voter Registration). LOL.</blockquote>


Yep the Conservatives want to fight wars and throw people in jail for Big Money!!
 
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