no_vaseline_IHB
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Oscar said:
If we get end of days, 75 acres won't be enough, and your title won't mean squat. Guns will.
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If we get end of days, 75 acres won't be enough, and your title won't mean squat. Guns will.
There is a limit to the amount one couple, or even a collective, can defend and manage. But just for my own education, why isn't 75-80 acres enough? And, how many acres to support 10-12 people? What kind of livestock mix and would you focus on barter for other produce or try to raise a variety on your own?
The farming operation I'm involved with has 4 to 6 employees for around 1400 acres - with the aid of petrochemicals. I think to support 10 people I'd need 160 acres (80 to farm, 80 in rotation) but that might not be enough.
I wouldn't have a livestock basis, outside of chickens (for the eggs), and cows (for the milk), maybe goats. Meat is a highly inefficient use of calories. We currently grow enough calories in grain alone to give every mouth on this rock a diet of 2000 calories a day. People starve because you lose 2/3 of them when to take grains and use them as animal feed. Get good at bow hunting.
I would not barter for anything. If I can’t grow it, I don’t need it.
The cows you want are the Jerseys (the brown ones). They make higher butterfat milk. I'm not sure you'll be able to get the current batch of dairy livestock to make it under "end of days" conditions. They've been inbred for maximum production, not to be hearty. But, as you research what I'm writing, you'll find that if we do get to the end of days, it probably won't matter. It's insanely difficult to farm your own food and requires a ridiculous amount of time and energy. Modern farms are/were the beginning of outsourcing and made modern cities possible. Petrochemicals made the yields possible. I don’t know what the hell you’d do without gas.
I just bought a gallon of milk at Albertson's for $2.99 last week, not much change considering you are comparing twenty four years ago. Granted, a few months ago it was close to $5, but we were also paying $4.69 a gallon for gas last summer, now it's half that. Commodities have tanked, stocks have tanked, houses have tanked. Not too much of an end in sight yet.
Alpacas are agricultures version of a ponzi scheme. Seriously. They are useless animals that make poor coats and don’t eat very well.
As long as it had fresh water, you'd be fine if you could just get there.
A Karen Armstrong sourced piece of useless trivia:
The base of Conservatism is in agriculture. You had to keep a community smaller than the ability to provide food or shelter, else the community would fail. The "Conservative" route was the successful route, because one bad year of overexpansion and BUSTO!
Mother Natures version of bankruptcy is death, and it's permanent.
Either you really are a moron, or you're allergic to money. Either way you’re getting screwed. Here is the Stater Bros. ad from 2/11/2009.
http://www.staterbros.com/Images/WeeklyAd/1326/1326_7_MILKAd.aspx
$1.95 a gallon if you buy two.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. My God you are a good source of entertainment.
Nice... sig material there....
I was gonna ask..........there's 2400 calories per gallon. WTF!
FYI:
You have ceased to be amusing. I will no longer be responding to your posts. Other than to ridicule you for paying more than five bucks a gallon for milk you can buy for $2.
Yep, I invested in a fund that supports nuclear energy. Supposedly rightnow they are making energy at about 9-11c pKwH. Which is MUCH cheaper than the oil/coal/etc. power produces. It has not done unwell....
good luck
-bix
Oscar....what you desribed sounded like my life back in my country before I came here. When I go back to visit, that is still the way people live. There is something relaxing about it though...people sitting around, eating a fantastic meal, playing cards, singing, laughing etc. Nobody is worrying about various toys, cars, homes etc. and they sure as hell aren't worried about medi-care blowing up, global econimic crisis, financial collapses or bailouts.
If we get end of days, 75 acres won't be enough, and your title won't mean squat. Guns will.
bltserv_IHB
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Picture Updated.
Love the driveway. I mean front lawn.
In the listing you could say ample parking ?
Love the driveway. I mean front lawn.
In the listing you could say ample parking ?
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Oscar_IHB
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no_vaseline said:
There is a limit to the amount one couple, or even a collective, can defend and manage. But just for my own education, why isn't 75-80 acres enough? And, how many acres to support 10-12 people? What kind of livestock mix and would you focus on barter for other produce or try to raise a variety on your own?
no_vaseline_IHB
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Oscar said:
The farming operation I'm involved with has 4 to 6 employees for around 1400 acres - with the aid of petrochemicals. I think to support 10 people I'd need 160 acres (80 to farm, 80 in rotation) but that might not be enough.
I wouldn't have a livestock basis, outside of chickens (for the eggs), and cows (for the milk), maybe goats. Meat is a highly inefficient use of calories. We currently grow enough calories in grain alone to give every mouth on this rock a diet of 2000 calories a day. People starve because you lose 2/3 of them when to take grains and use them as animal feed. Get good at bow hunting.
I would not barter for anything. If I can’t grow it, I don’t need it.
The cows you want are the Jerseys (the brown ones). They make higher butterfat milk. I'm not sure you'll be able to get the current batch of dairy livestock to make it under "end of days" conditions. They've been inbred for maximum production, not to be hearty. But, as you research what I'm writing, you'll find that if we do get to the end of days, it probably won't matter. It's insanely difficult to farm your own food and requires a ridiculous amount of time and energy. Modern farms are/were the beginning of outsourcing and made modern cities possible. Petrochemicals made the yields possible. I don’t know what the hell you’d do without gas.
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Oscar_IHB
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I was thinking chickens, pigs, goats, sheep, and milk cows... and my wife swears she's going to buy an alpaca. The goats and sheep would be more for the shearings than for food. However, I simple refuse to live without bacon! My original thought was to grow and barter the alfalfa to others in exchange for milk, butter, etc. since I'd only have to learn one crop. But you make good points about rotation and one bad crop could mean worse things for my family.
I agree this is all moot if things go seriously south and society collapses. But, if we avoid that and merely fall into a prolonged depression, I'd like to know I had a place with it's own water supply and fertile fields. I'm under no illusion about the amount of work involved, either. Biodiesel might help to fill some of the gas gap, but I don't think the chickens could fell the fertilizer gap... even with a sizable operation. Either way, stock piling would be required.
Maybe I'll just invest in a small island in the South Pacific and live off fruit and fish.
I agree this is all moot if things go seriously south and society collapses. But, if we avoid that and merely fall into a prolonged depression, I'd like to know I had a place with it's own water supply and fertile fields. I'm under no illusion about the amount of work involved, either. Biodiesel might help to fill some of the gas gap, but I don't think the chickens could fell the fertilizer gap... even with a sizable operation. Either way, stock piling would be required.
Maybe I'll just invest in a small island in the South Pacific and live off fruit and fish.
tmare_IHB
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jhammons01 said:
I just bought a gallon of milk at Albertson's for $2.99 last week, not much change considering you are comparing twenty four years ago. Granted, a few months ago it was close to $5, but we were also paying $4.69 a gallon for gas last summer, now it's half that. Commodities have tanked, stocks have tanked, houses have tanked. Not too much of an end in sight yet.
no_vaseline_IHB
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Oscar said:
Alpacas are agricultures version of a ponzi scheme. Seriously. They are useless animals that make poor coats and don’t eat very well.
As long as it had fresh water, you'd be fine if you could just get there.
A Karen Armstrong sourced piece of useless trivia:
The base of Conservatism is in agriculture. You had to keep a community smaller than the ability to provide food or shelter, else the community would fail. The "Conservative" route was the successful route, because one bad year of overexpansion and BUSTO!
Mother Natures version of bankruptcy is death, and it's permanent.
no_vaseline_IHB
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jhammons01 said:
Either you really are a moron, or you're allergic to money. Either way you’re getting screwed. Here is the Stater Bros. ad from 2/11/2009.
http://www.staterbros.com/Images/WeeklyAd/1326/1326_7_MILKAd.aspx
$1.95 a gallon if you buy two.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. My God you are a good source of entertainment.
biscuitninja_IHB
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no_vaseline said:
Nice... sig material there....
no_vaseline_IHB
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tmare said:
I was gonna ask..........there's 2400 calories per gallon. WTF!
no_vaseline_IHB
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jhammons01 said:
FYI:
You have ceased to be amusing. I will no longer be responding to your posts. Other than to ridicule you for paying more than five bucks a gallon for milk you can buy for $2.
biscuitninja_IHB
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jhammons01 said:
Yep, I invested in a fund that supports nuclear energy. Supposedly rightnow they are making energy at about 9-11c pKwH. Which is MUCH cheaper than the oil/coal/etc. power produces. It has not done unwell....
good luck
-bix
jbenko_IHB
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Oscar said:
Oscar....what you desribed sounded like my life back in my country before I came here. When I go back to visit, that is still the way people live. There is something relaxing about it though...people sitting around, eating a fantastic meal, playing cards, singing, laughing etc. Nobody is worrying about various toys, cars, homes etc. and they sure as hell aren't worried about medi-care blowing up, global econimic crisis, financial collapses or bailouts.
FutureIrvineResident_IHB
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my god.. i was so surprised on the number of responses to this thread.... but it looks like after 3 posts this thread was highjacked
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Oscar_IHB
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Sorry about that. However, it only took three posts to reach a concensus. After that was just silly time.FutureIrvineResident said: