hs_teacher_IHB
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i think excessive parking restrictions are lame. what if you had a party with 15 cars over? parking rules may benefit families with kids, but they sure suck for single adults with friends!
Do you have to pay to park on Irvine streets?
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According to the FBI Crime report property crime in Irvine is relatively high compared to other offenses. It is to IPD best interest to down play, make it go away, or intentional negligence of follow through. The goal is not let it becomes a part of the FBI statistics. Suicide is not counted as a part of the statistic. Mentally ill individual committing suicide in Bank of America does not constitute robbery because he was never convicted in court.
City of Irvine is a growing city and also a very profitable business. A huge part of the money comes from fees and taxes generated by Real Estates. Having a safest city status is the most important PR. IPD rarely arrest criminals and often just issue a loitering citation and ask them not to come back.
Your IPD experience is typical. It is all about lip service. They say they will follow up and you will never hear from them again. I reported criminal activities during my Irvine residency and none was ever officially documented.
This is all too true. What concerns me (and how you pointed out) is Irvine growing by leaps and bounds especially in the Woodbury/Portola Springs area. The IPD is getting spread too thin and coming all the way from the City Hall region to take action up in these growing areas becomes more and more difficult. You mentioned in another thread that Woodbury is so accessible to the public by design, that it allows all sorts of property crime to take place by non-resident individuals. This concerns me. If they're aware of the problems (because the IPD informed me that they were aware of a string of people breaking into IACs just for kicks How they ask them not to come back and they just move on to the next community), could they possibly create a Woodbury/PS branch of the department and build a police station out there? I don't know enough about the City of Irvine's budget, jobs for law enforcement, etc., but I would like to think they'd do it for even better PR and really and truly hold up to the "safest city" tagline. I understand that property damage isn't murder or what have you. But they also informed me that theft and strangers entering my home and not leaving would only result in a trespassing crime. It's a little absurd and I doubt would be the case in many of the other OC cities.
Maybe they just rested upon the well known legal principal of "BOYS WILL BE BOYS" before letting them go.
...it saved my ass more than once, growing up in Irvine.
For the last two years I knew of similar issues. Do you think the problems would be minimized if Woodbury has guard gates like Northpark? Have you read my post in the architecture section where I compared Northpark and Woodbury from 2.5 years ago. Woodbury post from 2-1/2 years ago I would like to read about your comments whether my analysis is on target. You being a Woodbury resident and a leader in your community would be most qualified to provide feedbacks.
Are you aware of 2 homeless guys living in JOST and Spirit is a mentally ill individual written in OC Register by Adam Probolsky who admitted to his nomadic lifestyle. Would you trust your children unsupervised knowing that a mentally ill individual is living there and knows your community as well as you?
First of all, Adam Probolsky is a political consultant and grandstander who used the article about Spriit to perpetuate fear-inducing stereotypes about the mentally ill homeless. While the mentally ill homeless are the most visible in any community, much of the homeless services funding is directed at people just like Spirit. I don't know whether the IPD knows of the many local agencies that serve this population, but if they were, Spriit and others in his same situation would be receiving intensive assistance and a speedy transition to permanent housing.
All cities over 200,000 population all have social service programs to deal with mentally ill and homelessness. Soup kitchen, mission, and counseling programs are vital components of a large city. Irvine is the most selfish city that does not address any of its social diseases and sent the problems to neighboring cities like Tustin, SA and Costa Mesa.
Thank You for the link to the program. Unfortunately, that program is not the proper place to treat someone like my dad nor Spirit. Most of the homeless that have a mental illness have some sort of psychotic disorder.
bkshopr_IHB
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Spinderella said:
According to the FBI Crime report property crime in Irvine is relatively high compared to other offenses. It is to IPD best interest to down play, make it go away, or intentional negligence of follow through. The goal is not let it becomes a part of the FBI statistics. Suicide is not counted as a part of the statistic. Mentally ill individual committing suicide in Bank of America does not constitute robbery because he was never convicted in court.
City of Irvine is a growing city and also a very profitable business. A huge part of the money comes from fees and taxes generated by Real Estates. Having a safest city status is the most important PR. IPD rarely arrest criminals and often just issue a loitering citation and ask them not to come back.
Your IPD experience is typical. It is all about lip service. They say they will follow up and you will never hear from them again. I reported criminal activities during my Irvine residency and none was ever officially documented.
Spinderella_IHB
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bkshopr said:
This is all too true. What concerns me (and how you pointed out) is Irvine growing by leaps and bounds especially in the Woodbury/Portola Springs area. The IPD is getting spread too thin and coming all the way from the City Hall region to take action up in these growing areas becomes more and more difficult. You mentioned in another thread that Woodbury is so accessible to the public by design, that it allows all sorts of property crime to take place by non-resident individuals. This concerns me. If they're aware of the problems (because the IPD informed me that they were aware of a string of people breaking into IACs just for kicks How they ask them not to come back and they just move on to the next community), could they possibly create a Woodbury/PS branch of the department and build a police station out there? I don't know enough about the City of Irvine's budget, jobs for law enforcement, etc., but I would like to think they'd do it for even better PR and really and truly hold up to the "safest city" tagline. I understand that property damage isn't murder or what have you. But they also informed me that theft and strangers entering my home and not leaving would only result in a trespassing crime. It's a little absurd and I doubt would be the case in many of the other OC cities.
bkshopr_IHB
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Many other cities with high crime in various pockets of a city the chances are the retail strip malls also are suffering in tenant vacancy. Police Department set up satellite outpost at the empty retail space with minimum expenses. This idea often is welcome in older area experiencing ongoing crimes and the citizens like that.
However, in a newer community the image could be tarnished by having police presence in a retail space. No developers want to let the buyers to know about the criminal activities and the string of burglaries and vandalism that have been occurring in the community.
Since you are active in the neighborhood watch program what are the problems you are aware of?
However, in a newer community the image could be tarnished by having police presence in a retail space. No developers want to let the buyers to know about the criminal activities and the string of burglaries and vandalism that have been occurring in the community.
Since you are active in the neighborhood watch program what are the problems you are aware of?
MojoJD_IHB
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bkshopr said:
Maybe they just rested upon the well known legal principal of "BOYS WILL BE BOYS" before letting them go.
...it saved my ass more than once, growing up in Irvine.
Spinderella_IHB
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I understand the drawbacks that the developers of newer areas could face if a police force was found to be stationed in that area. However, to me, it would show responsibility that Irvine is taking to make sure that their city is safe in all aspects of the word. With the city growing, they need to allow for proper coverage, but I know that'll be a tall favor to ask for.
Mostly it's the youth. You'd think it'd be worse in the summer, but once school is back in session, a lot of High School senior/college age (under 21) students come from near and far to basically joy ride in small neighborhoods, trash streets, vandalize, loiter and then cause random mischief while loittering. Break into private property (as previously mentioned), cause noise problems on private property in communities that they don't live in. Also, we have a big problem with them drinking and doing drugs and then DUI after wards. We had to kick out (and call IPD) on about 10-12 kids that stayed after hours in a facility in our community, but they didn't live there. They broke in, were smoking pot and drinking. All were under 21 and couldn't split quick enough when we breezed by at around 1:30 a.m. They grabbed their booze and split in their cars at extremely high speeds (one even bottomed out) and yelled that they were going to go to another community. *shrug* Boys will be Boys, indeed. But, this is a little ridiculous.
They knew they'd be in trouble if they were caught drinking and driving. They were all allowed to go "home".
bkshopr said:
Mostly it's the youth. You'd think it'd be worse in the summer, but once school is back in session, a lot of High School senior/college age (under 21) students come from near and far to basically joy ride in small neighborhoods, trash streets, vandalize, loiter and then cause random mischief while loittering. Break into private property (as previously mentioned), cause noise problems on private property in communities that they don't live in. Also, we have a big problem with them drinking and doing drugs and then DUI after wards. We had to kick out (and call IPD) on about 10-12 kids that stayed after hours in a facility in our community, but they didn't live there. They broke in, were smoking pot and drinking. All were under 21 and couldn't split quick enough when we breezed by at around 1:30 a.m. They grabbed their booze and split in their cars at extremely high speeds (one even bottomed out) and yelled that they were going to go to another community. *shrug* Boys will be Boys, indeed. But, this is a little ridiculous.
They knew they'd be in trouble if they were caught drinking and driving. They were all allowed to go "home".
bkshopr_IHB
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Spinderella said:
For the last two years I knew of similar issues. Do you think the problems would be minimized if Woodbury has guard gates like Northpark? Have you read my post in the architecture section where I compared Northpark and Woodbury from 2.5 years ago. Woodbury post from 2-1/2 years ago I would like to read about your comments whether my analysis is on target. You being a Woodbury resident and a leader in your community would be most qualified to provide feedbacks.
Are you aware of 2 homeless guys living in JOST and Spirit is a mentally ill individual written in OC Register by Adam Probolsky who admitted to his nomadic lifestyle. Would you trust your children unsupervised knowing that a mentally ill individual is living there and knows your community as well as you?
Spinderella_IHB
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Thanks for the direct link! I had some difficultly in my search, which came up with too many results.
I think it's a very interesting perspective and I do think it has a lot more than a ring of truth to it. I believe that if there were more though put into a gated community for Woodbury, we'd find it to be an almost "perfect" place to live. Nothing is every without its hiccups and problems, but I think it would appease the problems that we've been facing these past couple years.
I'm letting the Mr. take a look at your original post, too. He'll have some interesting thoughts to share with you, I'm sure.
More to come.
I think it's a very interesting perspective and I do think it has a lot more than a ring of truth to it. I believe that if there were more though put into a gated community for Woodbury, we'd find it to be an almost "perfect" place to live. Nothing is every without its hiccups and problems, but I think it would appease the problems that we've been facing these past couple years.
I'm letting the Mr. take a look at your original post, too. He'll have some interesting thoughts to share with you, I'm sure.
More to come.
ocresident73_IHB
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bkshopr said:
First of all, Adam Probolsky is a political consultant and grandstander who used the article about Spriit to perpetuate fear-inducing stereotypes about the mentally ill homeless. While the mentally ill homeless are the most visible in any community, much of the homeless services funding is directed at people just like Spirit. I don't know whether the IPD knows of the many local agencies that serve this population, but if they were, Spriit and others in his same situation would be receiving intensive assistance and a speedy transition to permanent housing.
Mcdonna1980_IHB
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OC78, what are the names of the facilities that house & treat the mentally ill?
bkshopr_IHB
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ocresident73 said:
All cities over 200,000 population all have social service programs to deal with mentally ill and homelessness. Soup kitchen, mission, and counseling programs are vital components of a large city. Irvine is the most selfish city that does not address any of its social diseases and sent the problems to neighboring cities like Tustin, SA and Costa Mesa.
Mcdonna1980_IHB
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My father has schizophrenia. My mother, brother and I have exhausted ourselves looking for proper care for my dad to no avail. We even have great political connections that gives us access to things not available to most and it is still crap. To make matters worse research in the area of mental illness is out of vogue because that is not where the money is. I would love someone to prove me wrong. I will remain skeptical until I get names to these places that provide 'speedy transition to permanent housing' for the mentally ill.
bkshopr_IHB
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Around Floral Park literally along the perimeter there are many free services such as health care, mental illness, and other health related programs. Many of my doctor neighbors volunteer their services to these organization and their wives as hostesses.
Integrity House outside Floral Park is a place dedicated to rehabilitation of the mentally disable.
Check it out. Your dad may be a different case of mental disability.
Integrity House outside Floral Park is a place dedicated to rehabilitation of the mentally disable.
Check it out. Your dad may be a different case of mental disability.
Mcdonna1980_IHB
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bkshopr said:
Thank You for the link to the program. Unfortunately, that program is not the proper place to treat someone like my dad nor Spirit. Most of the homeless that have a mental illness have some sort of psychotic disorder.
buylowsellhigh_IHB
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Some streets are rediculously crowded with cars while others are OK... depends on the neighborhood. Is it possible to be preferential about this policy and only collect parking fees from certain neighborhoods?
ocresident73_IHB
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Integrity House does not specialize, per se, in treating the mentally ill. Their population is primarily the developmentally disabled (or those who used to be called "mentally retarded"). Although there are some DD clients who also have mental illness, that is a very specialized subpopulation.
McD. - One of the best agencies in O.C. specializing in permanently housing mentally ill clients is HOMES, Inc. Their program provides both the housing and the "wraparound" services required for this population. They primarily serve those that were previously homeless, but I believe that they sometimes also accept others who were not. Even if they can't help your father specifically, I would call them first to see if they can get you tied into other service providers. If you want more info, please PM me.
Bk - No, most cities, at least in SoCal, of any population (200,000 + or_) DO NOT have any services for the mentally ill, or the homeless (my particular area of expertise). While the county is working on developing a region-wide approach to addressing homelessness (and the mentally ill homeless in particular), it will take several years for the key parts of that approach to be fully operational. The county is already connected via case management software with the LA County, Long Beach, Glendale and Pasadena homeless service areas - known among service providers as a "Continuum of Care". That connection allows providers to follow the case manangement and service history of each person entered into the system (with some data blocked for privacy reasons, unless the client opts to have that data made available to other providers), with the goal of providing the most appropriate, and least duplicative service options.
As a general rule, most of the services in O.C. for these populations have revolved around Santa Ana, since most of the county agencies that serve them are there. It's also much easier to get their via public transportation, which is not true of many parts of Irvine or most of south county. And, other central and north county cities have a higher concentration of these services because (1) they are very old and well established cities, and (2) their communities have, for a variety of reasons, been less hostile to the placement of certain services and housing.
McD. - One of the best agencies in O.C. specializing in permanently housing mentally ill clients is HOMES, Inc. Their program provides both the housing and the "wraparound" services required for this population. They primarily serve those that were previously homeless, but I believe that they sometimes also accept others who were not. Even if they can't help your father specifically, I would call them first to see if they can get you tied into other service providers. If you want more info, please PM me.
Bk - No, most cities, at least in SoCal, of any population (200,000 + or_) DO NOT have any services for the mentally ill, or the homeless (my particular area of expertise). While the county is working on developing a region-wide approach to addressing homelessness (and the mentally ill homeless in particular), it will take several years for the key parts of that approach to be fully operational. The county is already connected via case management software with the LA County, Long Beach, Glendale and Pasadena homeless service areas - known among service providers as a "Continuum of Care". That connection allows providers to follow the case manangement and service history of each person entered into the system (with some data blocked for privacy reasons, unless the client opts to have that data made available to other providers), with the goal of providing the most appropriate, and least duplicative service options.
As a general rule, most of the services in O.C. for these populations have revolved around Santa Ana, since most of the county agencies that serve them are there. It's also much easier to get their via public transportation, which is not true of many parts of Irvine or most of south county. And, other central and north county cities have a higher concentration of these services because (1) they are very old and well established cities, and (2) their communities have, for a variety of reasons, been less hostile to the placement of certain services and housing.
ocresident73_IHB
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MdD - A couple of other thoughts. Yes, it is true that the social stigma attached to mental illness has made research funding difficult. But, there are some advocates out there who are working to change that. I know that NAMI (National Alliance on Mental Illness) is one of the key national advocacy groups working on this issue exclusively.
Also, as your experience bears out, political connections do diddly squat for families like yours. The service net for these folks is so variously funded and regulated that the patchwork is difficult to manage. Politicans have virtually no experience or knowledge of these systems, nor the incentive to find out more, unless their family is personally effected. More importantly, politicians know that most mentally ill people don't vote, so they generally don't care about these issues.
Families are largely on their own in this regard, unfortunately. Depending on what type of income your father has (Social Security, state/federal Disability, Veteran's benefits, etc.), he may be entitled to different sets of services. Assuming your father is here in CA, he may have the best chance of getting housing and service support from an agency that receives Prop. 63 state funding. That proposition funds the development of permanent housing and full wraparound services for the mentally ill.
Also, as your experience bears out, political connections do diddly squat for families like yours. The service net for these folks is so variously funded and regulated that the patchwork is difficult to manage. Politicans have virtually no experience or knowledge of these systems, nor the incentive to find out more, unless their family is personally effected. More importantly, politicians know that most mentally ill people don't vote, so they generally don't care about these issues.
Families are largely on their own in this regard, unfortunately. Depending on what type of income your father has (Social Security, state/federal Disability, Veteran's benefits, etc.), he may be entitled to different sets of services. Assuming your father is here in CA, he may have the best chance of getting housing and service support from an agency that receives Prop. 63 state funding. That proposition funds the development of permanent housing and full wraparound services for the mentally ill.