morekaos
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But not a ridiculous conclusion anymore. Just common sense, some thing that seems to be missing a lot these days.
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But not a ridiculous conclusion anymore. Just common sense, some thing that seems to be missing a lot these days.
morekaos
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Sweet, sweet, natural immunity, more common sense."The immunity generated from an infection was found to be 'at least as high, if not higher' than that provided by two doses of an mRNA vaccine."
Past Covid infection as protective as vaccination against severe illness and death, study finds
The immunity generated from an infection was found to be “at least as high, if not higher” than that provided by two doses of an mRNA vaccine.www.nbcnews.com
irvinehomeowner
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Where is this so called common proof then?
That's the only thing that's been missing every day from your posts... actual evidence. Did you find that voter fraud smoking gun yet? Been waiting a few years for that common sense to kick in.
CalBears96
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But there have been several instances of voter fraud, though....committed by Republican voters.
nosuchreality
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Yea, that side effect on natural immunity though.
morekaos
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Funny how all the “conspiracy theories” are being proven true….masks ineffectiveness, lockdowns impotence, school closures damages, children’s low risk of infection, vaccine ineffectiveness, vaccines negative side effects, vaccine manufacturer’s collusion and corruption, alternate treatments effectiveness, ventilator shortages, the miracle of sweet sweet natural immunity, and now lab origin is confirmed…aren’t you a bit tired of defending all the lies?...
COVID lab leak is a scandal of media and government censorship
The Wall Street Journal reports that the Energy Department has concluded that the COVID pandemic most likely arose from a laboratory leak.
The conclusion is reportedly based on a classified intelligence report recently provided to the White House and key members of Congress. Many will be exploring why the scientific evidence of a lab leak was so slow to emerge from intelligence agencies.
However, for my part, the most alarming aspect was the censorship, not the science.
There will continue to be a debate over the origins of COVID-19, but now there will be an actual debate.
For years, the media and government allied to treat anyone raising a lab theory as one of three possibilities: con
https://nypost.com/2023/02/26/covid-lab-leak-is-a-scandal-of-media-and-government-censorship/
Lab Leak Most Likely Origin of Covid-19 Pandemic, Energy Department Now Says
U.S. agency’s revised assessment is based on new intelligence
WASHINGTON—The U.S. Energy Department has concluded that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a laboratory leak, according to a classified intelligence report recently provided to the White House and key members of Congress.
The shift by the Energy Department, which previously was undecided on how the virus emerged, is noted in an update to a 2021 document by Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines’s office.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a
COVID lab leak is a scandal of media and government censorship
The Wall Street Journal reports that the Energy Department has concluded that the COVID pandemic most likely arose from a laboratory leak.
The conclusion is reportedly based on a classified intelligence report recently provided to the White House and key members of Congress. Many will be exploring why the scientific evidence of a lab leak was so slow to emerge from intelligence agencies.
However, for my part, the most alarming aspect was the censorship, not the science.
There will continue to be a debate over the origins of COVID-19, but now there will be an actual debate.
For years, the media and government allied to treat anyone raising a lab theory as one of three possibilities: con
https://nypost.com/2023/02/26/covid-lab-leak-is-a-scandal-of-media-and-government-censorship/
Lab Leak Most Likely Origin of Covid-19 Pandemic, Energy Department Now Says
U.S. agency’s revised assessment is based on new intelligence
WASHINGTON—The U.S. Energy Department has concluded that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a laboratory leak, according to a classified intelligence report recently provided to the White House and key members of Congress.
The shift by the Energy Department, which previously was undecided on how the virus emerged, is noted in an update to a 2021 document by Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines’s office.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a
irvinehomeowner
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Didn't I mention this before? That theory of a lab leak is plausible and not the live animal market theory. I should search this thread somewhere.
I think the contention was if it was an intentional leak or not.
I think the contention was if it was an intentional leak or not.
irvinehomeowner
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Here you go morekaos... I knew I mentioned this before.
irvinehomeowner
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So tell me... are you blaming everyone or just some people... because this did start under your guy's watch.
irvinehomeowner
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Yeah... sorry... your slant is apparent. Revisionist history here.. you conveniently forget that policies were pretty draconian under both administrations... so you can blame whatever groups but can't say it's just one president or the other.
Operation Warp Speed?
morekaos
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But while some of us were pointing out the stupidity of most of this list...Biden fear police and "scientists" were stoking blind obedience and stifling other opinions that in the end... proved to be true. I understand there is some comfort in conformity and being a sheeple but I just don't trust them...rightfully so.
"Funny how all the “conspiracy theories” are being proven true….masks ineffectiveness, lockdowns impotence, school closures damages, children’s low risk of infection, vaccine ineffectiveness, vaccines negative side effects, vaccine manufacturer’s collusion and corruption, alternate treatments effectiveness, ventilator shortages, the miracle of sweet sweet natural immunity, and now lab origin is confirmed…aren’t you a bit tired of defending all the lies?..."
"Funny how all the “conspiracy theories” are being proven true….masks ineffectiveness, lockdowns impotence, school closures damages, children’s low risk of infection, vaccine ineffectiveness, vaccines negative side effects, vaccine manufacturer’s collusion and corruption, alternate treatments effectiveness, ventilator shortages, the miracle of sweet sweet natural immunity, and now lab origin is confirmed…aren’t you a bit tired of defending all the lies?..."
irvinehomeowner
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None of these have been proven either way depending on who you listen to.
But you don't listen/read/understand... you still think the elections were rigged and that Jan 6 was not insurrection... so why am I not surprised?
If you take the anti-politics lean out of our arguments... you may have better traction. Just remember that most of 2020 was under who?
I don’t know the history of your stance on this topic.
In 2020, the mainstream media definitely pushed a narrative where you would be ostracized and labeled a conspiracy theorist if you believed it was a lab leak.
sgip
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I'm not forgiving any Administration here, but it's been decades since a serious pandemic in the 1st World had occurred and overreactions are in some respects "normal". Trump's direction was given to him by advisors - some with highly vested interests - and down the road we went as a nation. We now have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight to review history - not revise it - and yes, it doesn't look well for either Administration.
The issue to me isn't this present nonsense. The horse is well out of the Barn, and proven liability for the pandemic will never see the light of justice. Just like the 2006-2011 Great Recession, we never did see any of the main players of the catastrophe do a perp walk, did we? The problem is how hysterical the debate has been with one side refusing to consider beneficial natural immunity, the harm that masking and Social Distancing has done to a generation, and the firing/de-platforming/even bankrupting countless American's because essentially the media went all "Orange Man Bad" from day 1. COVID-19 was a hard flu at best, and with co-morbidities a very dangerous disease to get. If you dared to disagree with what we know today as fact, your a MAGA lunatic. Disagreeing with the narrative meant double masked fringe types shrieking at your place of work, church, or neighborhood trying to force you to conform OR ELSE. When you hear vintage 2020-2021 recordings of "experts" who talk about "settled science" and "no debate about it" they sound like political tools, not medical scientists as each and every "conspiracy theory" is being proven correct. The media should - but won't - be ignored from this point forward as they have become the primary purveyor as well as the self appointed judge of what is and isn't misinformation.
P.S. I'm not wading in on the Ivermectin / alternative medicine debate either. If someone wants to ingest this stuff for reasons of their own making, IDK. It's just like using Alcohol of Cannabis - if you're OK with those, you must remain consistent and be OK with how others wish to treat COVID-19 in their own way.
My .02c
The issue to me isn't this present nonsense. The horse is well out of the Barn, and proven liability for the pandemic will never see the light of justice. Just like the 2006-2011 Great Recession, we never did see any of the main players of the catastrophe do a perp walk, did we? The problem is how hysterical the debate has been with one side refusing to consider beneficial natural immunity, the harm that masking and Social Distancing has done to a generation, and the firing/de-platforming/even bankrupting countless American's because essentially the media went all "Orange Man Bad" from day 1. COVID-19 was a hard flu at best, and with co-morbidities a very dangerous disease to get. If you dared to disagree with what we know today as fact, your a MAGA lunatic. Disagreeing with the narrative meant double masked fringe types shrieking at your place of work, church, or neighborhood trying to force you to conform OR ELSE. When you hear vintage 2020-2021 recordings of "experts" who talk about "settled science" and "no debate about it" they sound like political tools, not medical scientists as each and every "conspiracy theory" is being proven correct. The media should - but won't - be ignored from this point forward as they have become the primary purveyor as well as the self appointed judge of what is and isn't misinformation.
P.S. I'm not wading in on the Ivermectin / alternative medicine debate either. If someone wants to ingest this stuff for reasons of their own making, IDK. It's just like using Alcohol of Cannabis - if you're OK with those, you must remain consistent and be OK with how others wish to treat COVID-19 in their own way.
My .02c
CalBears96
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1. I find it laughable that you think Trump actually listened to any of his advisors.
2. Neither alcohol nor cannabis is infectious, so that's an EXTREMELY disingenuous comparison. And we're not talking about treatment here. The same people who claim that they don't trust doctors over the vaccine are rushing to the hospital right away after they've contracted COVID-19. If they didn't trust doctors over vaccine, then don't go to doctors. I don't mind if they stayed home and used Ivermectin AFTER they've contracted COVID-19. Instead, they rushed to the hospital AND infected others.
qwerty
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If the country had a chance to vote on the following with the benefit of hindsight:
1) no lockdowns and let people continue to work and live normal lives, essentially treat it like the cold/flu
Or
2) let an incremental 3-5 million people die from Covid or over-run medical system (however you want to frame the deaths)
I think given the financial impact (devastation to millions of business owners and regular wage workers) and related inflationary pressures that resulted from all of the government free money, I think lost people would choose option 2
1) no lockdowns and let people continue to work and live normal lives, essentially treat it like the cold/flu
Or
2) let an incremental 3-5 million people die from Covid or over-run medical system (however you want to frame the deaths)
I think given the financial impact (devastation to millions of business owners and regular wage workers) and related inflationary pressures that resulted from all of the government free money, I think lost people would choose option 2