Bullying Hysteria

[irvinehomeowner]

You will find that in the majority of O-line vs D-line scrums, there is less D-line getting knocked to the ground then you would think. It's either they get around the O-line or the O-line keeps them at bay.

From what I recall playing D-line, I've rarely been knocked onto the ground and from my training with O-line, that's an inefficient way to play your position. For a pass play, you need to slow the defenders down, so knocking someone down isn't usually high on the list and isn't likely probably because of their forward momentum and your defensive stance. For a run play, it does help to knock a defender down if they are in the running path but that requires forward motion and it's usually easier to push the defender to one side so they are totally out of way rather than risk having them on the ground and being able to reach up and leg tackle your runner.

It's fine that you disagree, but to me, the O-lineman position is smarter than just trying to knock someone down. It's why that position is unheralded in football, many don't understand the nuances of the position... it's not just aggression and size.

 

[nosuchreality]

wow you're just way to literal.

Okay, I'll rephrase, the O-lines job is to stop you from doing what you want to do.  They don't do it by singing kumbaya.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

You will find that in the majority of O-line vs D-line scrums, there is less D-line getting knocked to the ground then you would think. It's either they get around the O-line or the O-line keeps them at bay.

From what I recall playing D-line, I've rarely been knocked onto the ground and from my training with O-line, that's an inefficient way to play your position. For a pass play, you need to slow the defenders down, so knocking someone down isn't usually high on the list and isn't likely probably because of their forward momentum and your defensive stance. For a run play, it does help to knock a defender down if they are in the running path but that requires forward motion and it's usually easier to push the defender to one side so they are totally out of way rather than risk having them on the ground and being able to reach up and leg tackle your runner.

It's fine that you disagree, but to me, the O-lineman position is smarter than just trying to knock someone down. It's why that position is unheralded in football, many don't understand the nuances of the position... it's not just aggression and size.

Never played a down of organized football but offensive linemen have to work out block schemes, blitz pick ups, and especially nowadays...zone attack scheme.  They often work with QB during the week to identify defense packages. 

Defense has always been more about raw talent/ability and reaction than the offensive.

 

[socal78]

'We are going to run train on your sister...

Oh, no, I just Googled this to find out what it means.  Eww, this guy sounds like a misogynist.

 

[nosuchreality]

'We are going to run train on your sister...

Oh, no, I just Googled this to find out what it means.  Eww, this guy sounds like a misogynist.

Yea, that's a creepy comment.  An alleged comment and one not made by Incognito but another unidentified team mate.

I must be old school, if I said that to virtually any guy I hang with, I'd expect to get hit.  I think most of them would expect me to hit them if they said it.

That said, there's something seriously wrong going on with such a comment.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

'We are going to run train on your sister...

Oh, no, I just Googled this to find out what it means.  Eww, this guy sounds like a misogynist.

Yea, that's a creepy comment.  An alleged comment and one not made by Incognito but another unidentified team mate.

I must be old school, if I said that to virtually any guy I hang with, I'd expect to get hit.  I think most of them would expect me to hit them if they said it.

Yes...but not everyone in the world is like that.  Old school usually means everyone has to do it a particular way.

 

[bones]

[q.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

wow you're just way to literal.

Okay, I'll rephrase, the O-lines job is to stop you from doing what you want to do.  They don't do it by singing kumbaya.

I apologize, but part of your premise was based on the high aggression offensive lineman are supposed to have. I countered by saying that position isn't just aggression. I never said they sang kumbaya. Not all linemen are like Incognito so I do feel there is a bit of stereotyping here but that's just my opinion.

Just because football is a very aggressive sport, does not excuse overtly aggressive behavior off the field.

 

[nosuchreality]

Just because football is a very aggressive sport, does not excuse overtly aggressive behavior off the field.

Agreed and most seasoned ball players are quite genteeled off field.  There is some discussion as to why and if the outlet on field is a factor.

There's really no reason for the behavior that's being alleged, the allegations are way over the top, and IMHO, if true, highlight a major problem occurring in professional male sports of an underlying misogynistic culture and importation of quazi-gang culture. AKA, the party/prostitute barge for the Vikings a few years back.

 

[socal78]

Just because football is a very aggressive sport, does not excuse overtly aggressive behavior off the field.

Eh, but let's not get carried away with the NFL mandating sensitivity training, cussing banned in the locker room and an apology after every tackle.

 

[qwerty]

'We are going to run train on your sister.

whats a train?

 

[irvinehomeowner]

I must be really ghetto since I am familiar with these terms.

 

[zubs]

24 yr old is a kid?

My coworker is about to put his 24 yr old son into the company healthcare as a dependent because Obamacare is letting parents keep their children on their medical until 26.  So yes under current law, 24 is a child.  A small defenseless baby that must be protected from the evils of the world.

 

[paperboyNC]

24 yr old is a kid?

My coworker is about to put his 24 yr old son into the company healthcare as a dependent because Obamacare is letting parents keep their children on their medical until 26.  So yes under current law, 24 is a child.  A small defenseless baby that must be protected from the evils of the world.

I'm not sure that adds up.

 

[qwerty]

If I was a bully and you stood up to me and I whooped your ass chances are i would bully you even more. Seems the better option was exercised by Martin.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

If I was a bully and you stood up to me and I whooped your ass chances are i would bully you even more. Seems the better option was exercised by Martin.

Or you do it in front of people. There should be some others who would feel bad for the one who was being bullied and stop you.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Not sure if people can tell by the names, but this is what they look like:

Considering the texting allegations, there is a case here for more than just harassment. Has Al Sharpton chimed in on this? Does this affect anyone's opinion about this type of "bullying"?