ABC123_IHB
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Village of Columbus has a Whole Foods. Does that mean it's superior to any Irvine Company developments?
Bench Mark Pricing in Irvine
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We all secretly shop at Walmart in disguise.
If the fear is dark-skinned people and appalacian whites, I think their more likely direction of migration is from north to south rather than south to north simply based on the location of their natural habitat. Therefore, as Irvine is gradually demographically destroyed, the superior people will probably make their last stand in the southern areas.
McD is actually a good brand associated with good management while Walmart has too much negative publicity such as hiring illegals and exploitation of oversea child labor imports.
I think you are absolutely correct. You are probably familiar with the term "white flight". The whites I know, use it when referring to migrating in a southern direction in OC, specifically - south of the Y.
You're right, the Foothill Ranch Walmart doesn't have very good access so it doesn't external draw that a more centrally-located city would face. It's probably why the city and residents didn't fight it tooth and nail. The only outsiders invading that area come from the canyons, Irvine, and MV. Visit the Walmart in Orange and you'll find a very different demographic. The bus stop on Tustin Ave is far busier than I ever remembered before the Walmart moved in.
Walmart isn't as ubiquitous in central/south OC and I'm sure they would love to have a bigger presence. When they want to move into a town, they know they have to fight their negative reputation and often conduct surveys or commish academic research to pitch a community on the economic benefits of their supercenters. No doubt these communities have played a part in keeping the monster at bay. I don't think it's by chance that if you look at a map of Walmart locations in OC, there seems to be a wall of resistance. From the north, the line is head at Orange in the west and Foothill Ranch in the east. On the west, nothing east of the 55. From the south, no presence north of Laguna Niguel. Along the coast, they are held back at HB in the north and you have to drive all the way to San Clemente to find another.
Not coincidentally, those are the areas of desirability we all talk about here -- some varying opinions of course, but it seems like the general sentiment where people find most desirable are east of the 55, as far north as parts of Orange/Tustin, up to the eastern edges of the Irvine Ranch.
Walmarts traditionally are located in ghetto neighborhoods. Westminster, Anaheim, Buena Park, and etc. Is there one in Irvine?
Not superior yet but a competition that TIC has under estimated. Legacy's location and shear size is a huge threat to TIC's retail monopoly. Legacy has big box brick and mortar tenants that TIC could not accommodate on its precious land.
Yes, It is called the local firestation.
We all just have to wait and see. If products move quickly then raise prices in phase 2 to fill the greed cookie jar.
There was much protest when the first Target opened up... now we have 4 within 10 miles of each other... and 3 Costcos.
The lone Sam's Club could semi-qualify as our Walmart.
Targets demographic is white collar and so is Costco's white label. Costco's Fendi, Burberry and Cartier in the glass case are subliminal marketing. Walmart puts condoms in glass case to prevent shoplifting.
I would actually rate Hometown Buffet higher than Souplantation... how SP charges more for less is beyond me.
So does CVS which has about a million locations in Irvine
Ok I lied, they only lock up condoms in certain neighborhoods
Mcdonna1980_IHB
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BK, I'm a little confused. How are OH and LC going to be more prestigious if they are going to develop them with the sardine cans you speak for future new home projects?
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High Gravity said:
We all secretly shop at Walmart in disguise.
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acpme said:
If the fear is dark-skinned people and appalacian whites, I think their more likely direction of migration is from north to south rather than south to north simply based on the location of their natural habitat. Therefore, as Irvine is gradually demographically destroyed, the superior people will probably make their last stand in the southern areas.
ABC123_IHB
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If the kids at Laguna Crossing are forced to go to Woodbridge or worse yet a school in the Saddleback Valley Unified School District, will it still be considered prestigious? What happens when Irvine is forced to build tons more low-income units and those students end up going to the same schools as the students from the prestigious communities?
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SoCal78 said:
McD is actually a good brand associated with good management while Walmart has too much negative publicity such as hiring illegals and exploitation of oversea child labor imports.
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High Gravity said:
I think you are absolutely correct. You are probably familiar with the term "white flight". The whites I know, use it when referring to migrating in a southern direction in OC, specifically - south of the Y.
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SoCal78 said:
You're right, the Foothill Ranch Walmart doesn't have very good access so it doesn't external draw that a more centrally-located city would face. It's probably why the city and residents didn't fight it tooth and nail. The only outsiders invading that area come from the canyons, Irvine, and MV. Visit the Walmart in Orange and you'll find a very different demographic. The bus stop on Tustin Ave is far busier than I ever remembered before the Walmart moved in.
Walmart isn't as ubiquitous in central/south OC and I'm sure they would love to have a bigger presence. When they want to move into a town, they know they have to fight their negative reputation and often conduct surveys or commish academic research to pitch a community on the economic benefits of their supercenters. No doubt these communities have played a part in keeping the monster at bay. I don't think it's by chance that if you look at a map of Walmart locations in OC, there seems to be a wall of resistance. From the north, the line is head at Orange in the west and Foothill Ranch in the east. On the west, nothing east of the 55. From the south, no presence north of Laguna Niguel. Along the coast, they are held back at HB in the north and you have to drive all the way to San Clemente to find another.
Not coincidentally, those are the areas of desirability we all talk about here -- some varying opinions of course, but it seems like the general sentiment where people find most desirable are east of the 55, as far north as parts of Orange/Tustin, up to the eastern edges of the Irvine Ranch.
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Topography and slopes between homes and view terraces are extra room between sardine cans. That is a plus over the gridded flat land neighborhoods. Curving streets also are $. View is $$. Elevated above your neighbors is extra $$$.Mcdonna1980 said:
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acpme said:
Walmarts traditionally are located in ghetto neighborhoods. Westminster, Anaheim, Buena Park, and etc. Is there one in Irvine?
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ABC123 said:
Not superior yet but a competition that TIC has under estimated. Legacy's location and shear size is a huge threat to TIC's retail monopoly. Legacy has big box brick and mortar tenants that TIC could not accommodate on its precious land.
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I'm still trying to apply the BagOChips theory...
So if a 2-story 2250sft house would cost $863k based on $375/sft... TIC would instead build a 3-story 3010sft house and sell it for $863k netting $287/sft... 33% more for the same cost?
Or is there some other math I'm not taking into account?
If TIC were to sell 3000+sft homes in Laguna Crossing for $863k a pop... I would think they would move... but is this really a $375/sft benchmark?
So if a 2-story 2250sft house would cost $863k based on $375/sft... TIC would instead build a 3-story 3010sft house and sell it for $863k netting $287/sft... 33% more for the same cost?
Or is there some other math I'm not taking into account?
If TIC were to sell 3000+sft homes in Laguna Crossing for $863k a pop... I would think they would move... but is this really a $375/sft benchmark?
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reason said:
Yes, It is called the local firestation.
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irvine_home_owner said:
We all just have to wait and see. If products move quickly then raise prices in phase 2 to fill the greed cookie jar.
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Hehe... there are places that some people would classify as "ghetto" in Irvine.bkshopr said:
There was much protest when the first Target opened up... now we have 4 within 10 miles of each other... and 3 Costcos.
The lone Sam's Club could semi-qualify as our Walmart.
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irvine_home_owner said:
Targets demographic is white collar and so is Costco's white label. Costco's Fendi, Burberry and Cartier in the glass case are subliminal marketing. Walmart puts condoms in glass case to prevent shoplifting.
bkshopr_IHB
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Here are some retails that will hurt the community image.
Walmart
Food 4 Less
Stater Bros
Goodwill
Hometown Buffet
Superior Market
Yoshinoya
Walmart
Food 4 Less
Stater Bros
Goodwill
Hometown Buffet
Superior Market
Yoshinoya
acpme_IHB
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one of my friend's family owns a louisana fried chicken franchise on crenshaw and slauson. within a block or two there's also KFC, popeyes, church's, chicken n waffles, and roosters golden chicken. another louisana fried chicken in half a mile away. also not exactly the nicest neighborhood. but damn their fried chicken is good.
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One would think that a 99 Ranch would be on that list... yet Irvine has 2.bkshopr said:
I would actually rate Hometown Buffet higher than Souplantation... how SP charges more for less is beyond me.
ABC123_IHB
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bkshopr said:
So does CVS which has about a million locations in Irvine
Ok I lied, they only lock up condoms in certain neighborhoods