Average Down Payment in Irvine 38.68% $300,350

If you live in California, it matters not where your business is located. You are required by California income tax code to pay California income tax on all of your income, and since S corps are pass thrus, the full amount of your income will be liable to Cal income tax.



Yeah, you can tell me all day long how so and so is doing whatever and they are not paying Cal income tax. They are liable whether they are paying or not. And they will be liable for penalties and interest when they are caught.



I wouldn't make such good money if there were not so many " tax geniuses" out there.
 
[quote author="WINEX" date=1231133399][quote author="PANDA" date=1231128453][quote author="MacInThebox" date=1231127750]Panda,



Just buy a place in Las Vegas, save 10% on personal income tax. Rent in Irvine, and you'll be set.</blockquote>


I hate Las Vegas. Especially those sick dudes passing out "Call Girl" cards on the street.</blockquote>


I went to Las Vegas for Christmas and was surprised that I wasn't assaulted when I went out on the Strip by people with those fliers and cards. I didn't see a single one of them. I'm not sure if it is a reflection of the state of the economy, or if Las Vegas is trying to clean up it's image some. But they were notable by their absence.</blockquote>


The north part of the strip (Venetian, Wynn) doesn't have any of those guys, the south end (MGM) is full of them.
 
[quote author="awgee" date=1231154030]If you live in California, it matters not where your business is located. You are required by California income tax code to pay California income tax on all of your income, and since S corps are pass thrus, the full amount of your income will be liable to Cal income tax.



Yeah, you can tell me all day long how so and so is doing whatever and they are not paying Cal income tax. They are liable whether they are paying or not. And they will be liable for penalties and interest when they are caught.



I wouldn't make such good money if there were not so many " tax geniuses" out there.</blockquote>


Agree. The key question is if you will be classified as a California resident or not. I think once you are classified as a California resident, it's much harder to change your status. That's my situation, and I won't attempt to do that. However, if you are not currently a California resident, you can probably plan ahead. In Panda's case, I believe it's worthwhile to at least look into that before making the move to the west coast. I would consult an experienced CPA or attorney in this area if I were Panda.
 
[quote author="asianinvasian" date=1231163828][quote author="WINEX" date=1231133399][quote author="PANDA" date=1231128453][quote author="MacInThebox" date=1231127750]Panda,



Just buy a place in Las Vegas, save 10% on personal income tax. Rent in Irvine, and you'll be set.</blockquote>


I hate Las Vegas. Especially those sick dudes passing out "Call Girl" cards on the street.</blockquote>


I went to Las Vegas for Christmas and was surprised that I wasn't assaulted when I went out on the Strip by people with those fliers and cards. I didn't see a single one of them. I'm not sure if it is a reflection of the state of the economy, or if Las Vegas is trying to clean up it's image some. But they were notable by their absence.</blockquote>


The north part of the strip (Venetian, Wynn) doesn't have any of those guys, the south end (MGM) is full of them.</blockquote>


That would explain it. I stayed at the Venetian. My foot traffic was limited to going between the Venetian and the Wynn (through the Palazzo, so time on Las Vegas Blvd. was limited), and to the mall across from the Wynn.
 
Getting back to Panda's topic; what I think Panda is trying to ask is, what is the possibility that the demographics of Irvine is changing or is going to change in the recovery. How many Irvinanites are going to be booted out from the Irvine lifestyle and how many foreigners are going to take their place and keep the prices high. If stubborn sellers and banks REOs, collectively keep the "Irvine premium", the only buyers left are the foreign cash buyers, who can afford them. The remaining out of work locals would have to move eventually. Is there anything wrong with this thinking?
 
That's a good point, Roundcorners.



I have been thinking of this same phenomenon myself. A desirable area like Irvine with good schools, clean environment, etc. attracts some segments of people, and if there are few or no similar substitutes for Irvine (people can argue for and against, but if you're on IHB, obviously, you think Irvine has some desirable characteristics) then prices can be sustained above what we think can be supported by the existing median income.



If we look at the newer area zip codes such as Northpark and West Irvine, or even Tustin Ranch, the median income there is very high compared to all of Irvine. I am thinking, and I could be wrong, that more and more higher income people are moving into Irvine (albeit buying houses at inflated prices) and gradually displacing those with less income. If there are foreign buyers who are large cash down payment buyers, I have a feeling their income isn't being reported fully to the IRS or wherever we get our income figures from.



All of this is not to say that house prices will not continue to decline in Irvine. It will due to the sheer downward momentum of prices and the current recession. But I am beginning to think that the Irvine house price drops will be slow due to the effects above, so I've mentally tried to buckle myself in for the longer ride to the bottom by remembering Irvine Renter's thoughts that even if we don't buy this year or next year...for every year that we rent while house prices decline, we have saved ourselves alot of money and saved ourselves a bigger down payment.
 
[quote author="roundcorners" date=1231203421]Getting back to Panda's topic; what I think Panda is trying to ask is, what is the possibility that the demographics of Irvine is changing or is going to change in the recovery. How many Irvinanites are going to be booted out from the Irvine lifestyle and how many foreigners are going to take their place and keep the prices high. If stubborn sellers and banks REOs, collectively keep the "Irvine premium", the only buyers left are the foreign cash buyers, who can afford them. The remaining out of work locals would have to move eventually. Is there anything wrong with this thinking?</blockquote>


I sort of like Irvine's demographic the way it is. I really hope it does not change. If the Asian population increases from 68,643 to 92,500 and the white population in Irvine decreases from 109,912 to 92,500 by 2015, even Panda would feel REALLY uncomfortable living in Irvine. AsianInvasion, you would agree with me right??
 
...and why are Asian buyers automatically "foreign"?



<img src="http://www.imdiversity.com/Villages/Asian/Secret_Asian_Man/SAM_Images/SAM_heroes_112106.gif" alt="" />
 
[quote author="PANDA" date=1231125120]SoCal,



I hear your concerns. I can give you an example of FCBs that i know directly. I know that Koreans make up the second largest Asian population, next to the Chinese in Irvine. My good friend's aunt sold a small apartment in "Ap gu jong dong" a prime location in Seoul for around $2 million and bought a home in Northwood Pointe with 100% cash down. They both live off of the real estate income from their other real estate holdings in Korea, and both do not work in the U.S. My cousin's husband is one of the top plastic surgeon in Seoul who also owns several apartments and medical buildings in Kangnam, one of the most expensive real estate in Seoul. For example, The per square footage in Kangnam is more expensive than the prime real estate in Manhattan. She told me that two of her affluent friends have bought a house in Irvine (100% cash) to send their kids to University High. Recently, I read in the Korean newspaper that they are now marketing one week House Hunting Tours in Los Angeles and Orange County where affluent Korean buyers are bargain hunting. I have also read that getting a traveler's visa has become much looser than before, which should open up floodgates for more immigration into the U.S.



I don't really know much about the Foreign Chinese Cash Buyers in Irvine so i can't really make any comments about them.</blockquote>


Panda, that is amazing that back in Korea they know about and aspire to buy near University High.



I go to the parks in the newer areas a lot... Woodbury Commons especially. Every week I am striking up conversation with the people there (99% foreign-born Asian) and they all say the same thing -- the cost really isn't an issue to them... they just love the community and the schools, the schools, the schools! Just last week I had the pleasure of meeting up with kayochan. We met a lady and told her we're on IHB. This woman seemingly couldn't have cared less about her home's value or what they just recently paid. She was gushing over Woodbury and the lifestyle there. Multiply her exponentially and us non-FCB's have a problem.
 
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/01/08/business/korhome.php



Los Angeles drawing real estate investors from Korea after lifting of overseas cap

By Jacob Adelman The Associated Press

Published: January 8, 2007



LOS ANGELES: Choung Yang Suk just bought a condominium in the city's Koreatown district ? far from her home in South Korea ? and plans to retire there in a few years to be near her two grown children.



Choung is among a growing number of Koreans scooping up real estate in the United States and elsewhere after the overseas investment cap in their country was lifted.



Koreans are expected to invest nearly $2 billion in U.S. residential property in 2006, up from $1.27 billion in 2005, when such investments were mostly limited to large Korean corporations, said Brian Shaffer of the International Real Estate Trade Organization.



Koreans could spend at least $4 billion worldwide on overseas homes in 2007 as a result of the changes made in May that allow an individual to make as much as $1 million in foreign investments, analysts said.



Many of the purchases are being prompted by the strength of the Korean won against foreign currencies and by the economic and political stability offered in some other nations, analysts said.



Much of the money will likely be directed to U.S. cities with large Korean populations, including San Francisco, New York and Atlanta, to take advantage of lower home prices stemming from the weakening U.S. housing market.



Observers said the lion's share of the money will be invested in Los Angeles, which has one of the world's largest Korean populations outside the Asian nation.



"It could very well release a tidal wave of investment into Southern California, particularly Koreatown," said Peter Morrison, a demographer with the Rand Corp. research organization, who has studied home-buying patterns among immigrant groups.



Investors are snatching up the property as long-term investments or as future homes for themselves.



For Koreans with family members in Koreatown, buying homes in the district two miles west of downtown Los Angeles is a particularly attractive proposition.



The five-square-mile swath features hundreds of Korean-owned businesses. Few English language signs are visible along its wide boulevards.



"Koreatown is very convenient for me since I only speak Korean," Choung said through an interpreter. "This is where my people live and I can go to the market or shops without speaking English."



Southern California also has an abundance of banks and brokers catering to Koreans to aid the purchases.



One Koreatown-based lender, Wilshire State Bank, created a special division for overseas borrowers and has closed its first mortgages since the investment caps were lifted, a bank executive, Gene Sheen, said.



Sheen met the borrowers at investing seminars he stages in Korea.



<strong>Until May, Korea enforced tight investing rules to stem capital flight after the Asian financial crisis of 1997. Only large firms and individuals with special permits could buy property abroad.



But with South Korea's currency, the won, now near nine-year highs of about 930 to the dollar, government officials have decided to encourage Koreans to spend money abroad, hoping to take some air out of the currency to benefit exporters.



In 2007, Korean officials intend to allow citizens to invest as much as $3 million in overseas property.



If President Roh Moo Hyun gives his approval, caps would be dropped altogether by 2009.</strong>



That could free up even more potential buyers for the roughly 1,500 condominium units now on sale or planned in Koreatown as part of a mini-construction boom.



Many of the units are part of high- rises resembling condo complexes in South Korean cities.



Choung Yang Suk bought her unit for nearly $600,000 at the Mercury condominium complex, where about 10 percent of the 80 units sold so far have been bought as a direct result of the eased investment caps, said Oliver Unaka, a spokesman for the real estate agency Forest City Enterprises.



The Martin Group, developers of the 1100 Wilshire building in nearby downtown Los Angeles, has sold about 40 units to Korean buyers since the investment caps were changed, said Ki Ryu, a director for the company.



Planners have overseas Korean investors in mind as they map out future condominium projects in Koreatown.



The Shin Young Group, a Korean construction giant, has started developing its first U.S. project in Koreatown and sees Korean investors as likely buyers for the units at its 40- story 3670 Wilshire project, said Justin Kim of Millennium Enterprises, a partner on the project with the Korean company.



Koar Wilshire Western, which is developing the 22-story Solair Wilshire project atop a Koreatown subway station, has approached a Korean real estate company about marketing its 186 condominium units in Korea, a company executive, Bruce Rothman, said.



Developers said their Korea-based customers so far have arrived through word of mouth among Koreans here and back home, or through advertisements placed on the Web sites of Los Angeles-based Korean-language newspapers.



Rothman said his company is still unsure how aggressively to pursue potential customers in Korea, many of whom would have to be convinced to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on properties they've never seen in person.



"Are you selling sight unseen, or are the potential buyers from Korea going to come to the United States to pound the pavement?" he said. "Nobody is quite certain how to do it yet."



Indeed, Sheen, the banker, said Koreans are unlikely to embrace foreign property until they see those investments paying off for their neighbors.



But once they do, he said, the Korean trade in U.S. real estate could be brisk.



"This is a big opportunity," he said.
 
<a href="http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/feeds/afx/2009/01/06/afx5887317.html">South Korea sees recession looming</a>



<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/02/business/worldbusiness/02plastic.html">South Korea cuts back on Plastic ... surgery that is...</a>
 
Koreans are turning Irvine into a <a href="http://www.ocregister.com/articles/police-crime-blotter-2087460-arrest-burglary?City=Irvine">violent crime-infested city</a> (just kidding)



Tuesday, December 30, 2008

Irvine crime: Church ownership argument turns physical

IRVINE ? A disputer over the ownership of a church led to a shoving match Sunday and an attempted citizen's arrest, according to police reports.



The argument between a man and a woman at First Korean Church led to "pushing and shoving," Irvine police Lt. Rick Handfield said.



Police at 10:19 a.m. responded to the incident, with the woman signing a private persons arrest against the man, accusing him of battery.



The man was cited and released, and no injuries were reported..
 
Based on my non-scientific visual skin color analysis, only one of the five houses on my side of the street is occupied by Caucasoids. I still haven't met my next door neighbors yet even though the houses in our phase closed in November. I have spoken to their contractors and their friends who pick up the mail for them and they tell me the owners are an older Korean couple who live in Korea and will only be spending part of the year here in Irvine. I guess I am living next door to some foreigners' vacation home. My next door neighbors on the other side are a couple of Chinese dentists who just moved in recently and expressed some regret for their purchase; she said she wanted new construction and bought a house with a floor plan she did not really like because it was last house avaiable in the phase and she feared the builder would stop building. Well, the builder later got some more lots from TIC and released a new phase recently so she could have gotten the plan she wanted had she waited a few months.
 
[quote author="ABC123" date=1231349175]Koreans are turning Irvine into a <a href="http://www.ocregister.com/articles/police-crime-blotter-2087460-arrest-burglary?City=Irvine">violent crime-infested city</a> (just kidding)



Tuesday, December 30, 2008

Irvine crime: Church ownership argument turns physical

IRVINE ? A disputer over the ownership of a church led to a shoving match Sunday and an attempted citizen's arrest, according to police reports.



The argument between a man and a woman at First Korean Church led to "pushing and shoving," Irvine police Lt. Rick Handfield said.



Police at 10:19 a.m. responded to the incident, with the woman signing a private persons arrest against the man, accusing him of battery.



The man was cited and released, and no injuries were reported..</blockquote>


Why are these Koreans causing so much trouble in Irvine and making Panda look bad? The first generation are the worst.. you gather bunch of these people in one area and you are asking for some serious trouble!
 
[quote author="PANDA" date=1231386656][quote author="ABC123" date=1231349175]Koreans are turning Irvine into a <a href="http://www.ocregister.com/articles/police-crime-blotter-2087460-arrest-burglary?City=Irvine">violent crime-infested city</a> (just kidding)



Tuesday, December 30, 2008

Irvine crime: Church ownership argument turns physical

IRVINE ? A disputer over the ownership of a church led to a shoving match Sunday and an attempted citizen's arrest, according to police reports.



The argument between a man and a woman at First Korean Church led to "pushing and shoving," Irvine police Lt. Rick Handfield said.



Police at 10:19 a.m. responded to the incident, with the woman signing a private persons arrest against the man, accusing him of battery.



The man was cited and released, and no injuries were reported..</blockquote>
<u>

Why are these Koreans causing so much trouble in Irvine and making Panda look bad</u>? The first generation are the worst.. you gather bunch of these people in one area and you are asking for some serious trouble!</blockquote>


LOL ... don't think you need their help there Ping Ping.
 
[quote author="tenmagnet" date=1231387202]

Lebron's coming to Staples on the 19th.</blockquote>


Is he bringing his crabs with him?
 
[quote author="ipoplaya" date=1231388195][quote author="tenmagnet" date=1231387202]

Lebron's coming to Staples on the 19th.</blockquote>


Is he bringing his crabs with him?</blockquote>


Sure is

Looks like Skek taught him that move



<img src="http://blog.apogee.gr/files/southpark-crab-people.jpg" alt="" />
 
[quote author="ipoplaya" date=1231388195][quote author="tenmagnet" date=1231387202]

Lebron's coming to Staples on the 19th.</blockquote>


Is he bringing his crabs with him?</blockquote>


For the record, the crab dribble was a legal move. However, the three steps after it were not. I was still surprised they called it.



I'll be seeing #1 Fantasy Player this year, Dwade this Sunday against the Odomless Lakers (means more Ariza!). Going to be cutting it close with the end of the Chargers game. My guess is I'll miss a bit of the first quarter since I won't be able to hit the road until after the NFL game is over.
 
[quote author="24inIrvine" date=1231392285][quote author="ipoplaya" date=1231388195][quote author="tenmagnet" date=1231387202]

Lebron's coming to Staples on the 19th.</blockquote>


Is he bringing his crabs with him?</blockquote>


For the record, the crab dribble was a legal move. However, the three steps after it were not. I was still surprised they called it.



I'll be seeing #1 Fantasy Player this year, Dwade this Sunday against the Odomless Lakers (means more Ariza!). Going to be cutting it close with the end of the Chargers game. My guess is I'll miss a bit of the first quarter since I won't be able to hit the road until after the NFL game is over.</blockquote>


They opened an ESPN Zone at LA Live directly across from Staples.

Why don?t you watch the Charger game there and walk over to the Laker game afterword.

Wouldn?t that make more sense?
 
Back
Top