Another 20%-25% drop in the next 3-4 Years in Irvine?

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Yeah... UCI is shrinking and cutting back their schools and degrees. Not like they have added any advanced degree programs. Same with Chapman, they haven't added any nobel laureates or decided to add additional schools like a school of engineering. So... OC will just keep shrinking, no jobs will be created, and we will all just be walking around with inferior degrees if we even have one. Of course not one venture capital ever raises capital for businesses here, so the only businesses to create here are a mortgage shop or maybe a check cashing place.

Man... some people are just really ignorant.
 
Boston2theBay said:
I was at an amazing USC alumni event last week in Silicon Valley. It featured 2 extremely prominent VCs (David Lane, Onset Ventures and Mark Stevens, Sequoia) and the CEO of Wind River Systems (publicly traded OS company). All three are USC Engineering School grads, and were conducting a panel for area alumni sharing their experiences that led to their success. There is an incredibly strong sense of community within the USC alumni ranks and the current administration is strengthening it tremendously, especially in Engineering. Stanford is the birthplace of the entire personal computer industry and most of the networking and internet industries, and Cal has 19 Nobel laureates and is still the center of the universe for many many academc disciplines. For OC to grow its knowledge based economy they need the local insitutions to develop their alumni communities (like USC) and place some big bets on organic growth through IP commercialization (like Stanford).
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B2B, are you trying to argue that, in youthful terms, SV rocks, therefore OC sucks? You keep posting stats on why SV is cool like that...how does that prove anything about OC/Irvine other than it's not exactly like SV? Just because a place isn't #1 in high tech and VC doesn't mean it's Podunk, USA either.

I'm just saying...
 
caycifish said:
Boston2theBay said:
I was at an amazing USC alumni event last week in Silicon Valley. It featured 2 extremely prominent VCs (David Lane, Onset Ventures and Mark Stevens, Sequoia) and the CEO of Wind River Systems (publicly traded OS company). All three are USC Engineering School grads, and were conducting a panel for area alumni sharing their experiences that led to their success. There is an incredibly strong sense of community within the USC alumni ranks and the current administration is strengthening it tremendously, especially in Engineering. Stanford is the birthplace of the entire personal computer industry and most of the networking and internet industries, and Cal has 19 Nobel laureates and is still the center of the universe for many many academc disciplines. For OC to grow its knowledge based economy they need the local insitutions to develop their alumni communities (like USC) and place some big bets on organic growth through IP commercialization (like Stanford).
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B2B, are you trying to argue that, in youthful terms, SV rocks, therefore OC sucks? You keep posting stats on why SV is cool like that...how does that prove anything about OC/Irvine other than it's not exactly like SV? Just because a place isn't #1 in high tech and VC doesn't mean it's Podunk, USA either.

I'm just saying...
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not al all. Look at the title of the thread. I'm using a data driven argument agreeing with the postulation, underpinned by an analysis of OC's job market and factors that could influence growth.

For weather and beaches (and othe things) OC rocks like nowhere else. But for high paying jobs with great opportunities for advancement in an area that lives and breathes my industry, SV is the best place in the world. All depends on what you're looking for. At least the weather up here is much better than Boston. But I think a decline in high paying professional service jobs that have been a big part of the OC job picture will be a factor in declining house prices, including Irvine.

Great debate.
 
"Both Cal Tech and Harvey Mudd do not have graduste programs while the larger schools offer advance degrees."

True of HMC, but not of Cal Tech (http://www.gradoffice.caltech.edu/).
 
zotmecula said:
25w100k+ said:
I work with a great programmer from UCI. Another friend is doing well at google who came out of UCI. Don't get me wrong, you can be a rockstar and have a degree from UCI. Its just very *rare* from what I've seen, and has more to do with the person then the schooling. 100k right out of school from UCI? Not unless we're talking many years of professional experience before or during his/her schooling...
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This is spot on - I'm a ICS UCI grad and I've noticed about a 30-40k spread in starting salaries (same company) - us with 4 or 5 years experience are coming out way ahead. There is a lot of talent at UCI, but the standard ICS program does tend to lean a little more towards the "softer" aspects of CS - more focus on human/social aspects vs. a traditional CS/CSE program with a larger focus on fundamentals. (Not to say we didn't do our fair share of EE design, compiler and language design, etc - it just wasn't a large focus of the program). I think this has a large impact on the starting salaries. An embedded systems engineer that can work against the bare metal is going to command a larger starting salary than the guy or gal that can analyze why your current website isn't catering to the under served inmate population and how "a bit of AJAX" can help with that...

/not bitter
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Yeah, honestly a lot of the people who I know doing well out of UCI were dissapointed in their cs education. My one friend I work with was telling me how in his 'compilers' class they wrote a langauge interpreter in java. Nothing wrong with interpreters, and nothing wrong with java, but good lord, that is *not* the same thing as writing a compiler for high level-> machine language.

B2B doesn't seem to be around here to realize just how much high tech industry is present in OC, but he is right that Irvine needs a stronger university to give it a good chance of being the 2nd "Valley".
 
This same problem exists in many UCI disciplines, but specifically, civil engineering.

Fluor has a big corporate office less than 1/2 a mile from the UCI campus, has donated an astonishing sum of cash to UCI's cause, and has..........nothing to show for it. Zippo. Cal State Fullerton has a more established civil program than UCI.
 
Universities aren't built overnight. This concept is hard for Irvinites, who can go a full week without seeing a single structure built before 1970 (excepting mighty highway 5 herself, of course).

Check out the top 20 entrants in any of the Graduate Schools featured in the US News annual report. You probably won't find a main hub university less than 70 years old amongst them, nor many particular programs much less than 40 years old. Nor will you find UCI and/or Chapman anywhere near the top hundred in most of the programs.

This is exacerbated by the fact that if there is any ground-zero for the stereotype of Southern Californians as intellectually challenged, OC makes a pretty good candidate, whether or not that characterization is fair.
 
"You probably won’t find a main hub university less than 70 years old amongst them, nor many particular programs much less than 40 years old."

This is generally true, but not entirely. UCSD, which is, for all intents and purposes, the same age as UCI, ranks much more highly in multiple graduate fields of study.
 
Actually, UCI is in the top 20 in a number of programs. fine arts/theatre/dance, social ecology, chemistry, biomedical engineering and i'm sure others.

but these are not "practical" disciplines like civil engineering and CS.

perhaps this isn't unexpected, though, as these more "practical" disciplines are supposed to be the domain of the cal states/polys
 
Berkley has an awsome civil program. So does UCLA. So does Davis.

BTW, the CSUs got the education programs and the business schools. The UC's were supposed to get the research facilities. Engeneering schools are fair game.

sorry for the spelling.
 
I agree, but the fact is we have an oversupply of lawyers and law schools.......but I think you're right.

We have a shortage of Civils and they can't get that program to run right. Hmmnnnnn.........
 
Astute - They hired you because you have a CS degree from UCI. I gather CS stands for Computer Science and UCI's ICS department gives out CS degrees? So it's a good thing yes?

But your next statement contradicts this...

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I have a CS degree from UCI, and one of the comments that I heard about why their hired me was that I have a real degree from a "hard science." It is not a comment toward the UCI's ICS department, but that in my field, they have a tendency to look down upon the computer science people, and generally hire scientists or engineers with programming skill than software engineer with scientific background.
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Boston2theBay said:
. Stanford is the birthplace of the entire personal computer industry and most of the networking and internet industries, and Cal has 19 Nobel laureates and is still the center of the universe for many many academc disciplines. (like Stanford).
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Boy, don't you just hate people who distort history to toot their own horns. Sounds like the old "Al Gore invented the internet"

Sorry dude, Standford may have been the birthplace of SUN (short for stanford university network) but not the personal computer, last time I checked Zerox park was not a part of Stanford or CAL and lets see, Gates, Woz, Jobs, didn't attend Stanford or Cal.

Stanford did take credit for the proto mouse.

And don't slight Caltech's influence. At Caltech, we looked at larger, more interesting problems. Caltech is the home of Carver Mede who pioneered neuro-networking and went on to found synaptics and foveon. Synaptic's neuro-network chips now power 90% of all the laptop touchpad mice.

Oh and finally, they still don't give Nobel's for computer science. Cal is not the center of the Universe by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Interesting read... if totally off subject.

So far its stands as this...

NMSU - New Mexico State - BSME

UofA - MSME

UCI - working on a Phd. <--- Still thiking about being a droput! *deeerrrrrrr*

It sounds funny but I see alot of guys from highly placed school and while that are VERY sharp, they have very little in the way of common sense. For me it seems like Stanford/USC produces people who are not very good workers, but are very good entrepreneurs (sp? <-- remember I am a engineer).

Besides isn't college more about finding yourself and who you are than finding a paying job?

good luck

-bix
 
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