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« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2010, 06:19:00 PM »
oh nice!!  she must've bought phase 1...

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« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2010, 08:28:00 PM »
Grace, what you say does not make sense.  Are you saying that Montecito is a detached Condo?  It's not, the documents clearly state that Montecito is  Single Family Detached Home, NOT a detached condo.  But, it does have a motorcourt, or a *utility easement* - the side yards are usually 5.17' for one side, adding up to around 10.34', so in that criteria, its a SFD.

Plus, what do you mean by "you can walk around your home?" I know you can "walk around" StoneTree Manor, and they are detached condos. (when you say walk around, do you mean is it possible at all, or does there have to be gates there)

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« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2010, 08:33:00 PM »
you can't walk around Stonetree, it is what is consider a zero-lot line; it is a detached unit, but one side of your house serves as a wall for your neighbor's side patio.  Therefore if you want to walk around your unit, you have to go into your neighbors property; therefore you "can't" walk around your unit... right BK?
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« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2010, 08:36:00 PM »
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you can't walk around Stonetree, it is what is consider a zero-lot line; it is a detached unit, but one side of your house serves as a wall for your neighbor's side patio.  Therefore if you want to walk around your unit, you have to go into your neighbors property; therefore you "can't" walk around your unit... right BK?


There are corner lots that have 2 side yards.  One on each side.  So you can walk around them, but this is still a detached condo.

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« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2010, 09:08:00 PM »
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In order for them to be totally single family detached homes they must be 10' apart and no shared easements. Sharing a motorcourt is a form of sharing an easement. All utility lines are buried below the street. Homes buried in the motorcourt can't connect their utility lines directly to the street. An utility extension line from the street is routed in and buried below the motorcourt easement for feeding the units.

Due to the common area easement they are legally detached condo. Trust me TIC has already tried to make them SFD to sell for more $$$$.

By zoning all SFD must be 10' apart. Homes packed in motorcourts with tight sideyards that don't add up to 10' apart are detached condos

When utility lines are connected to lines buried beneath the public street and you can walk around your home then the homes are SFD such as Sonama and Carmel.
Then how do you classify Sonoma?

The Plans 1/2 have a zero lot line on one side where your yard wall is actually the side of their house.

I see this a lot in Woodbridge homes too.


SFD with a granted easement for repair.

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« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2010, 09:09:00 PM »
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you can't walk around Stonetree, it is what is consider a zero-lot line; it is a detached unit, but one side of your house serves as a wall for your neighbor's side patio.  Therefore if you want to walk around your unit, you have to go into your neighbors property; therefore you "can't" walk around your unit... right BK?


Correct

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« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2010, 09:15:00 PM »
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Quote from: "roundcorners"
you can't walk around Stonetree, it is what is consider a zero-lot line; it is a detached unit, but one side of your house serves as a wall for your neighbor's side patio.  Therefore if you want to walk around your unit, you have to go into your neighbors property; therefore you "can't" walk around your unit... right BK?

There are corner lots that have 2 side yards.  One on each side.  So you can walk around them, but this is still a detached condo.


When a project is processed as detached condo then every home in the project is a detached condo even when one or two has the luxury of more land or special attributes similar to detached homes. The RE attorney would not write another custom disclosure documents for just 2 houses. .

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« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2010, 09:18:00 PM »
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Grace, what you say does not make sense.  Are you saying that Montecito is a detached Condo?  It's not, the documents clearly state that Montecito is  Single Family Detached Home, NOT a detached condo.  But, it does have a motorcourt, or a *utility easement* - the side yards are usually 5.17' for one side, adding up to around 10.34', so in that criteria, its a SFD.


What about this part  ???

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« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2010, 09:35:00 PM »
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Grace, what you say does not make sense.  Are you saying that Montecito is a detached Condo?  It's not, the documents clearly state that Montecito is  Single Family Detached Home, NOT a detached condo.  But, it does have a motorcourt, or a *utility easement* - the side yards are usually 5.17' for one side, adding up to around 10.34', so in that criteria, its a SFD.

Plus, what do you mean by "you can walk around your home?" I know you can "walk around" StoneTree Manor, and they are detached condos. (when you say walk around, do you mean is it possible at all, or does there have to be gates there)


A single family detached home must be able to accomodate 1 guest parking on the premise (driveway) where detached condos have zero guest parking capacity having to rely on shared street parkings which triggered the detached condo zoning application to get the project approved.

montecito may have been approved under a technicality that the motorcourt is considered as "a dead end street". Since it is not a private drive then the utility easement issue goes away being under a public street.

Why wouldn't all motorcourt be processed as public street? Public street has different engineering criteria where the garages must be further apart helped in the case of Montecito's driveway.

Developer can't afford a higher trip count calculation for houses loading off the public street unless the project does not generate more traffic in the community of Woodbury. The location is ideal because it is very close to the exit of Woodbury and no significant traffic impact to the community.

This is certainly a special case scenario and a win win solution for TIC because the SFD perception is worth 15% $$ more than detached condos.

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« Reply #39 on: February 23, 2010, 09:52:00 PM »
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Quote from: "ajw522"
Grace, what you say does not make sense.  Are you saying that Montecito is a detached Condo?  It's not, the documents clearly state that Montecito is  Single Family Detached Home, NOT a detached condo.  But, it does have a motorcourt, or a *utility easement* - the side yards are usually 5.17' for one side, adding up to around 10.34', so in that criteria, its a SFD.

Plus, what do you mean by "you can walk around your home?" I know you can "walk around" StoneTree Manor, and they are detached condos. (when you say walk around, do you mean is it possible at all, or does there have to be gates there)

A single family detached home must be able to accomodate 1 guest parking on the premise (driveway) where detached condos have zero guest parking capacity having to rely on shared street parkings which triggered the detached condo zoning application to get the project approved.

montecito may have been approved under a technicality that the motorcourt is considered as "a dead end street". Since it is not a private drive then the utility easement issue goes away being under a public street.

Why wouldn't all motorcourt be processed as public street? Public street has different engineering criteria where the garages must be further apart helped in the case of Montecito's driveway.

Developer can't afford a higher trip count calculation for houses loading off the public street unless the project does not generate more traffic in the community of Woodbury. The location is ideal because it is very close to the exit of Woodbury and no significant traffic impact to the community.

This is certainly a special case scenario and a win win solution for TIC because the SFD perception is worth 15% $$ more than detached condos.


Interesting!  Then what about homes without driveways (like in WestPark).  Are those still considered SFD or Condos?  I have seem some on the MLS listed as SFD....

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« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2010, 10:07:00 PM »
How much architectural training do an RE agents receive again?

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« Reply #41 on: February 23, 2010, 10:34:00 PM »
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How much architectural training do an RE agents receive again?


So you are saying those homes without a driveway would be considered a detached condo?

I had to LOL when I saw your comment   :P

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« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2010, 11:45:00 PM »
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How much architectural training do an RE agents receive again?

The same amount of ethics training they do get.    :P
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