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What type of alternative fuel car are you buying in the near future?

All electric (EV) car, luxury over $50k like Tesla
25 (54.3%)
EV car but lower priced less than $40k like Chevy Bolt, Nissan Leaf, Hyundai Ioniq
12 (26.1%)
Plug-in Hybrid (Chevy Volt, Kia Niro, Honda Clarity)
4 (8.7%)
Hydrogen
0 (0%)
Other
5 (10.9%)

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Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
« Reply #195 on: August 15, 2022, 10:39:28 AM »
Have fun with Electrify America and Chargepoint solutions that are poorly maintained and thus expereince a high downtime rate, while they won't charge your battery past 80%.

Do you have a source for this statement?  EA and Chargepoint won't charge a battery past 80%!?

Yes - see here:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/07/28/roadshows-ev-week-continues-with-10300-mile-road-trip-success/

This is an excellent weekly column up here that is starting to feature more EV transition topics. The charging limitations of the 3rd party charging network providers really cripple non-Teslas.

By comparison, we just came back from a Napa weekend, in northern Napa Valley. Up and back including a detour to SF on the way home only required a 20 min charge at the Sonoma Supercharger, taking me from 23% to 70% in 20 minutes. I seriously considered vandalizing the  cars of the jerks that left them plugged in for 2 hours while they went and had lunch. At least they get charged OT penalties but it eats up a spot given most stops require a 20 min max charge (provided you're at a Supercharger). We left home Friday with a 100% charge from the Powerwalls. The autpilot came in super handy up there to stay at the speed limit while perfectly centered in the lane given the high visibility of police. And a white Tesla is about as ubiquitous/non obtrusive of a car as there is up here.

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Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
« Reply #196 on: August 15, 2022, 11:04:24 AM »
I have received emails for some of the EV reservations I have to convert and have done so, but it's up to you to make your own decision.
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Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
« Reply #197 on: August 15, 2022, 11:44:22 AM »
One of each vehicle type:

SUV
Sedan
Truck
Van

:)
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Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
« Reply #198 on: August 15, 2022, 09:39:30 PM »
One of each vehicle type:

SUV
Sedan
Truck
Van

:)

Nothing that's actually sporty.  :(

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Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
« Reply #199 on: August 15, 2022, 10:10:44 PM »
One of each vehicle type:

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Sedan
Truck
Van

:)

Nothing that's actually sporty.  :(

I’m not USC. Too old to be sporty.
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Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
« Reply #200 on: August 15, 2022, 10:46:33 PM »
One of each vehicle type:

SUV
Sedan
Truck
Van

:)

Nothing that's actually sporty.  :(

I’m not USC. Too old to be sporty.

Oh come on, get a Taycan.  ;)
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Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
« Reply #201 on: August 16, 2022, 05:22:11 PM »
Bill was signed into law, and as I mentioned, any non-domestic PHEV/EV delivered/contracted after 8/15/22 gets hosed out of the up to $7500 Fed credit:

https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/individuals/plug-in-electric-drive-vehicle-credit-section-30d

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New Final Assembly Requirement
If you are interested in claiming the tax credit available under section 30D (EV credit) for purchasing a new electric vehicle after August 16, 2022 (which is the date that the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 was enacted), a tax credit is generally available only for qualifying electric vehicles for which final assembly occurred in North America (final assembly requirement).

The Department of Energy has provided a list of Model Year 2022 and early Model Year 2023 electric vehicles that may meet the final assembly requirement. Because some models are built in multiple locations, there may be vehicles on the Department of Energy list that do not meet the final assembly requirement in all circumstances.

To identify the manufacture location for a specific vehicle, please search the vehicle identification number (VIN) of the vehicle on the VIN Decoder website for the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). The website, including instructions, can be found at VIN Decoder 1.

Transition Rule for Vehicles Purchased before August 16, 2022
If you entered into a written binding contract to purchase a new qualifying electric vehicle before August 16, 2022, but do not take possession of the vehicle until on or after August 16, 2022 (for example, because the vehicle has not been delivered), you may claim the EV credit based on the rules that were in effect before August 16, 2022. The final assembly requirement does not apply before August 16, 2022.

Vehicles Purchased and Delivered between August 16, 2022 and December 31, 2022
If you purchase and take possession of a qualifying electric vehicle after August 16, 2022 and before January 1, 2023, aside from the final assembly requirement, the rules in effect before the enactment of the Inflation Reduction Act for the EV credit apply (including those involving the manufacturing caps on vehicles sold). If you entered into a written binding contract to purchase a new qualifying vehicle before August 16, 2022, see the rule above.

Here's the list of vehicles that still meet the final assembly requirement and if have not met the sales cap, can still qualify for the Fed credit until end of 2022:

https://afdc.energy.gov/laws/inflation-reduction-act
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Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
« Reply #202 on: August 16, 2022, 06:27:00 PM »
At least my Mach E still meets the Final Assembly requirement....if I get it this year.

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Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
« Reply #203 on: August 16, 2022, 08:07:42 PM »
The Taycan that I have on order is coming from a state where my $10k deposit is actually called a down payment and is non-refundable per the contract so as long as I pay for the car before 12/31/22 I'm grandfathered in. 
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Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
« Reply #204 on: August 16, 2022, 09:15:54 PM »
The Taycan that I have on order is coming from a state where my $10k deposit is actually called a down payment and is non-refundable per the contract so as long as I pay for the car before 12/31/22 I'm grandfathered in.

Yeah, I think you’re good. If you want a real sports car EV, get the Plaid Model S… except for that yoke steering wheel. :)
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Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
« Reply #205 on: August 16, 2022, 10:05:22 PM »
The Taycan that I have on order is coming from a state where my $10k deposit is actually called a down payment and is non-refundable per the contract so as long as I pay for the car before 12/31/22 I'm grandfathered in.

Yeah, I think you’re good. If you want a real sports car EV, get the Plaid Model S… except for that yoke steering wheel. :)

I have to keep buying non-GT cars to get GT allocations at MSRP.  ;)
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Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
« Reply #206 on: August 16, 2022, 10:58:10 PM »
The Taycan that I have on order is coming from a state where my $10k deposit is actually called a down payment and is non-refundable per the contract so as long as I pay for the car before 12/31/22 I'm grandfathered in.

Yeah, I think you’re good. If you want a real sports car EV, get the Plaid Model S… except for that yoke steering wheel. :)

In the market for a Model X but I am not a fan of the yoke. A steering wheel retrofit is approx $2k with a 3rd party. Really wish Tesla would make it an option to get the regular steering wheel.

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Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
« Reply #207 on: August 17, 2022, 09:33:31 AM »
I will be driving over the dead EVs in my Bronco when we escape the Big One…

Electric Vehicles May Present Major Problem During Natural Disaster Evacuations

A report from Transportation Research published in ScienceDirect headlined “Can we evacuate from hurricanes with electric vehicles?” found that Florida—which often bears the force of hurricanes—may not have enough power to cope during an evacuation.
Roxanne Peterson and Mohamed Awwad of the Industrial and Manufacturing Engineering Department at California Polytechnic State University—point out, “Short-notice evacuations, such as those caused by wildfires and earthquakes, may lead to stall-outs, resulting in increased traffic and accidents.”

According to the case study, EVs have a range of 100 to 200 miles, and full recharging can take anywhere from three to 12 hours. Fast charging is quicker, but still takes up to 30 minutes.

In the case of an emergency evacuation charging delays “can create serious problems in evacuations” leading to increased traffic and traveling delays as EVs potentially block lanes.

The report said, “California’s two main natural disasters are earthquakes and wildfires.

“Both are short-notice events that have the potential to knock out the power grid with no warning, making it especially difficult, if not impossible, to charge a Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV).

“More than 2 million properties in California are at extreme risk from wildfires, making up about half of all properties at extreme risk from wildfires.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1361920920306453

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Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
« Reply #208 on: August 17, 2022, 10:32:13 AM »
I will be driving over the dead EVs in my Bronco when we escape the Big One…

Electric Vehicles May Present Major Problem During Natural Disaster Evacuations

A report from Transportation Research published in ScienceDirect headlined “Can we evacuate from hurricanes with electric vehicles?” found that Florida—which often bears the force of hurricanes—may not have enough power to cope during an evacuation.
Roxanne Peterson and Mohamed Awwad of the Industrial and Manufacturing Engineering Department at California Polytechnic State University—point out, “Short-notice evacuations, such as those caused by wildfires and earthquakes, may lead to stall-outs, resulting in increased traffic and accidents.”

According to the case study, EVs have a range of 100 to 200 miles, and full recharging can take anywhere from three to 12 hours. Fast charging is quicker, but still takes up to 30 minutes.

In the case of an emergency evacuation charging delays “can create serious problems in evacuations” leading to increased traffic and traveling delays as EVs potentially block lanes.

The report said, “California’s two main natural disasters are earthquakes and wildfires.

“Both are short-notice events that have the potential to knock out the power grid with no warning, making it especially difficult, if not impossible, to charge a Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV).

“More than 2 million properties in California are at extreme risk from wildfires, making up about half of all properties at extreme risk from wildfires.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1361920920306453

Ha ha, this is true. If we hit a 8 or higher on the scale, you bet there will be major disruption to ultilities services.

Now I am really thinking if it is all that good with EV.

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Re: EV/Plug-in/Other vehicles
« Reply #209 on: August 17, 2022, 06:08:13 PM »
I will be driving over the dead EVs in my Bronco when we escape the Big One…

Electric Vehicles May Present Major Problem During Natural Disaster Evacuations

A report from Transportation Research published in ScienceDirect headlined “Can we evacuate from hurricanes with electric vehicles?” found that Florida—which often bears the force of hurricanes—may not have enough power to cope during an evacuation.
Roxanne Peterson and Mohamed Awwad of the Industrial and Manufacturing Engineering Department at California Polytechnic State University—point out, “Short-notice evacuations, such as those caused by wildfires and earthquakes, may lead to stall-outs, resulting in increased traffic and accidents.”

According to the case study, EVs have a range of 100 to 200 miles, and full recharging can take anywhere from three to 12 hours. Fast charging is quicker, but still takes up to 30 minutes.

In the case of an emergency evacuation charging delays “can create serious problems in evacuations” leading to increased traffic and traveling delays as EVs potentially block lanes.

The report said, “California’s two main natural disasters are earthquakes and wildfires.

“Both are short-notice events that have the potential to knock out the power grid with no warning, making it especially difficult, if not impossible, to charge a Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV).

“More than 2 million properties in California are at extreme risk from wildfires, making up about half of all properties at extreme risk from wildfires.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1361920920306453

Ha ha, this is true. If we hit a 8 or higher on the scale, you bet there will be major disruption to ultilities services.

Now I am really thinking if it is all that good with EV.

That's why it's always good to keep an ICE car in the garage.  ;)
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