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Title: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 06, 2021, 10:24:22 AM
I think we did it!
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 06, 2021, 12:21:44 PM
Breaking News: US Capitol on lockdown due to protest, Trump protesters break barriers
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on January 06, 2021, 12:27:04 PM
Doesn't matter, a five vote majority in the house coupled with a 50/50 split in the senate will lead to little legislation.  Dems thwarted Trump with less and the Repubs blocked Obama easily.  No major tax hikes, no major re regulation, no major treaties and no Green New Deal...the game goes on.  ;D >:D
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 06, 2021, 12:36:06 PM
Breaking News: US Capitol on lockdown due to protest, Trump protesters break barriers

Pelosi - asked for help from the defense department for more security and the defense department denied that request. The Virginia governor is sending the National Guard for support.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 06, 2021, 12:46:55 PM
The stock market has dropped due to this Trump chaos protest l.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 06, 2021, 12:54:22 PM
Trump supporters (with Trump Flags) are in the chambers of the US Senate per News feed of NBC News.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on January 06, 2021, 12:56:27 PM
Nothing wrong with "mostly peaceful protests", right? >:D
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 06, 2021, 01:00:24 PM
Nothing wrong with "mostly peaceful protests", right? >:D

Peaceful? They stormed the US Senate floor, there are pictures occupying office of US Congress with their feet on the desk.

Per news feed, FBI has been deployed, homeland scrutiny, metro Police on the way!
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on January 06, 2021, 01:03:25 PM
Like this?...

Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 06, 2021, 01:06:24 PM
Nothing wrong with "mostly peaceful protests", right? >:D

Really? So you condone what they did and are doing?
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on January 06, 2021, 01:14:03 PM
Not at all...looks like any other protest these days.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on January 06, 2021, 01:18:17 PM
The stock market has dropped due to this Trump chaos protest l.

Already traded through it. Money is the final scorecard.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 06, 2021, 01:35:19 PM
Not at all...looks like any other protest these days.

Name the recent protests where they broke into the capital, stormed the house floor, shot a person and ransacked officials' offices.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 06, 2021, 01:36:30 PM
Trump still claiming election fraud without evidence.

morekaos? Where is the smoking gun? I would ask starman but he's ignoring me.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on January 06, 2021, 01:38:37 PM
The person shot was a trump supporter.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on January 06, 2021, 02:15:29 PM
Not at all...looks like any other protest these days.

Name the recent protests where they broke into the capital, stormed the house floor, shot a person and ransacked officials' offices.

Nothing more to see...move along.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 06, 2021, 02:19:41 PM
Not at all...looks like any other protest these days.

Name the recent protests where they broke into the capital, stormed the house floor, shot a person and ransacked officials' offices.

Nothing more to see...move along.

Yeah. Just like my cousin. Thanks.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: nosuchreality on January 06, 2021, 02:41:32 PM
Good Republicans need to stand up, align with Dems and call for censure and tossing Ted Cruz and the likes the out and try them for sedition.

They can use pretty words but their is no believe BS, they know they're full of it and just like Nuremburg, not actually saying it while clearing intending it is guilt.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on January 06, 2021, 04:17:38 PM
TV Bobbleheads are saying this has never happened before. So, for historical context regarding the riots, please read:

https://www.newsweek.com/top-five-rigged-us-presidential-elections-511765
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 06, 2021, 04:18:43 PM
For historical context regarding the riots:

https://www.newsweek.com/top-five-rigged-us-presidential-elections-511765

Sorry this is not rigged. Trump lost 69 court cases regarding the elections.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 06, 2021, 04:26:44 PM
Good Republicans need to stand up, align with Dems and call for censure and tossing Ted Cruz and the likes the out and try them for sedition.

They can use pretty words but their is no believe BS, they know they're full of it and just like Nuremburg, not actually saying it while clearing intending it is guilt.

The scene and images that we all saw today is like from third world country. This is nothing small like somebody said earlier.

It is very serious to have the police, FBI, Homeland Security, Secret Service and others to protect the US Congress and to secure the Capital of the US.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 06, 2021, 04:51:06 PM
So due to this incursion, basically terrorism, news channels are stating that the Republican movement to vote against the electoral results has been reversed... backfiring on Trump.

@SGIP: Do you still think there was fraud? Where is your proof?
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: HMart on January 06, 2021, 04:59:04 PM
Pretty insane to watch the videos in this article. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/trump-weimar-america-maga-mob-capitol/

just had to watch this one again, jeez https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1346908211350294542

I'm mildly surprised that only one rioter was shot.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: nosuchreality on January 06, 2021, 05:06:32 PM
Trump's actions today clearly call for the invocation of the 25th.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on January 06, 2021, 05:06:44 PM
That woman was shot and she was just standing there, shot came from law enforcement, not the crowd. Came from nowhere, the video is chilling.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on January 06, 2021, 06:17:47 PM
For historical context regarding the riots:

https://www.newsweek.com/top-five-rigged-us-presidential-elections-511765

Great list of races that were actually close
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on January 06, 2021, 06:29:01 PM
That woman was shot and she was just standing there, shot came from law enforcement, not the crowd. Came from nowhere, the video is chilling.

Were you actually chilled by that? Weak.

Can't wait for the PvP on the inauguration day Antifa(BLM?) v Proud(gay?)boys.

Looks like congress is more united than it's been in a while, just takes them all being attacked by mall ninjas, who knew.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: Cornflakes on January 06, 2021, 09:14:17 PM
That woman was shot and she was just standing there, shot came from law enforcement, not the crowd. Came from nowhere, the video is chilling.

Were you actually chilled by that? Weak.

Can't wait for the PvP on the inauguration day Antifa(BLM?) v Proud(gay?)boys.

Looks like congress is more united than it's been in a while, just takes them all being attacked by mall ninjas, who knew.

Never thought watching live congress proceedings would have glued me to the tv.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 07, 2021, 01:03:08 PM
The plot thickens. There were videos/pictures of police (not sure which agency) opening the door to the capital, lifting the barriers, taking selfie’s with the insurgents.

A big time investigation should take place.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: paperboyNC on January 07, 2021, 01:25:42 PM
Gotta love the MAGA cult followers on this board. Their cult leader leads a coup attempt against our very democracy and they are here gasping at straws rather than condemning the attempted coup.

It's not surprising that Cult followers rationalize everything into their extremely limited view of reality, but it's a shame that these lies and distortions are present on this board.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 07, 2021, 01:39:21 PM
Gotta love the MAGA cult followers on this board. Their cult leader leads a coup attempt against our very democracy and they are here gasping at straws rather than condemning the attempted coup.

It's not surprising that Cult followers rationalize everything into their extremely limited view of reality, but it's a shame that these lies and distortions are present on this board.

Some have left the board.
Believe it or not. One GOP congressman said it was not Trump supporters that stormed the US Capital. Lol  (then who was it?)
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on January 07, 2021, 01:46:58 PM
I’m still here ;D ;) >:D
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 07, 2021, 02:34:40 PM
Gotta love the MAGA cult followers on this board. Their cult leader leads a coup attempt against our very democracy and they are here gasping at straws rather than condemning the attempted coup.

It's not surprising that Cult followers rationalize everything into their extremely limited view of reality, but it's a shame that these lies and distortions are present on this board.

Some have left the board.
Believe it or not. One GOP congressman said it was not Trump supporters that stormed the US Capital. Lol  (then who was it?)

Yeah. Those Trump flags were misspelled.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on January 07, 2021, 04:01:17 PM
https://mirror.fro.wtf/reddit/publicfreakout/ksgvin.mp4 (https://mirror.fro.wtf/reddit/publicfreakout/ksgvin.mp4)

Multiple angles of the shooting. Trigger warning for professor chaos and others, violence and kashooting.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on January 07, 2021, 04:44:07 PM
Initially the "Buffalo Head" guy was labeled as ANTIFA, but as it turns out he's simply an agitator for fringe QAnon type causes. The guy with the hammer and sickle tattoo is not yet clear who his circle of friends are. One person who was there for certain was John Sullivan, a far left ANTIFA type prone to violence. Why would you  see him all the way inside the Capitol if not to cause havoc. If there's a good explanation for that person to be there during a Trump Rally it would be an interesting story to hear.

I've never found a Trump speech to be all that interesting. He's a grind to listen to to put it mildly. Referring to himself in 3rd person, plattitudes and pontificates - blegh.  That said, today I listened to the entire 1/6/2021 speech via a C-SPAN's feed. There was plenty of fiction, fairytales, but also facts about the election broadcast to the MAGA Minions in DC. What wasn't there? A call to arms, an "ask" for violence, zip, zero, nada. I recommend listening to the whole thing uninterrupted (if you can.... I could barely) and help us find the very sparking point for this violence. As things got out of control, the National Guard was called, videos asking people to go home, to not commit violence, were pushed out, and the greater majority of those there to voice their support for the President did just that. It may be hard to find now, but there have been videos circulating of booing the rioters by the peaceful protestors, asking them not to go as far as they have. Quite a difference from the summertime rioting we saw up until 30 days before the election.

Issue arise as well for people who point at Rudy Giuliani's "trial By combat" pull quote. The entire context of the speech was regarding court battles, not street battles. This is the same propagandizing that the media did with the "good people on both sides" mis-quote. Anyone reading the actual press conference where the President said that can easily, and without bias blinders, see that that "good people" quote is 100% out of context. Yet, Biden said it was that quote that determined his run for the Presidency. Please.

This "attack" has erased any possibility of a 2024 run for Trump. Does it rise to the level of a 25th Amendment invocation? Really? Please, those who believe so, show me their posts about how terrible Hillary was in 2019 when she said Biden shouldn't concede, no matter what. Or all of the quotes by her since 2016 about how the election was "stolen". Dear reader, did you complain as well about the near coup d'etat against the Tang Menace known as the Russia Dossier hoax? Really? Point us to your proof here.

This has been a riot - not the fun kind - but a free for all riot - and should be condemned, pepper sprayed, and gassed as any of the riots the left committed over the past 12 months. It's also now a ginned up media frenzy over things that never happened.

Don't fall for it. Do your own research if time permits, as the last thing you want to do is tune into cable news and assume you will get facts.

 
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 07, 2021, 05:05:09 PM
Initially the "Buffalo Head" guy was labeled as ANTIFA, but as it turns out he's simply an agitator for fringe QAnon type causes. The guy with the hammer and sickle tattoo is not yet clear who his circle of friends are. One person who was there for certain was John Sullivan, a far left ANTIFA type prone to violence. Why would you  see him all the way inside the Capitol if not to cause havoc. If there's a good explanation for that person to be there during a Trump Rally it would be an interesting story to hear.

I've never found a Trump speech to be all that interesting. He's a grind to listen to to put it mildly. Referring to himself in 3rd person, plattitudes and pontificates - blegh.  That said, today I listened to the entire 1/6/2021 speech via a C-SPAN's feed. There was plenty of fiction, fairytales, but also facts about the election broadcast to the MAGA Minions in DC. What wasn't there? A call to arms, an "ask" for violence, zip, zero, nada. I recommend listening to the whole thing uninterrupted (if you can.... I could barely) and help us find the very sparking point for this violence. As things got out of control, the National Guard was called, videos asking people to go home, to not commit violence, were pushed out, and the greater majority of those there to voice their support for the President did just that. It may be hard to find now, but there have been videos circulating of booing the rioters by the peaceful protestors, asking them not to go as far as they have. Quite a difference from the summertime rioting we saw up until 30 days before the election.

Issue arise as well for people who point at Rudy Giuliani's "trial By combat" pull quote. The entire context of the speech was regarding court battles, not street battles. This is the same propagandizing that the media did with the "good people on both sides" mis-quote. Anyone reading the actual press conference where the President said that can easily, and without bias blinders, see that that "good people" quote is 100% out of context. Yet, Biden said it was that quote that determined his run for the Presidency. Please.

This "attack" has erased any possibility of a 2024 run for Trump. Does it rise to the level of a 25th Amendment invocation? Really? Please, those who believe so, show me their posts about how terrible Hillary was in 2019 when she said Biden shouldn't concede, no matter what. Or all of the quotes by her since 2016 about how the election was "stolen". Dear reader, did you complain as well about the near coup d'etat against the Tang Menace known as the Russia Dossier hoax? Really? Point us to your proof here.

This has been a riot - not the fun kind - but a free for all riot - and should be condemned, pepper sprayed, and gassed as any of the riots the left committed over the past 12 months. It's also now a ginned up media frenzy over things that never happened.

Don't fall for it. Do your own research if time permits, as the last thing you want to do is tune into cable news and assume you will get facts.

All I read is a big Trump supporter retreating. (sounding salty)
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on January 07, 2021, 05:18:06 PM
It’s almost like riots are politically toxic. I was betting that Trump would win after this summer. Left survived with 12, trump got destroyed with 1.

His future political aspirations rely on him reigning these mouthbreathers back in.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: HMart on January 07, 2021, 11:54:48 PM
One of the cops who was injured has died. https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/loss-uscp-colleague-brian-d-sicknick
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: HMart on January 08, 2021, 12:16:41 AM
It was interesting to see this poll result that 45% of Republicans strongly or somewhat supported "Supporters of President Trump have stormed the US Capitol", how toxic. About 30% of Republicans described the people who stormed the Capitol to be "Patriots", sad.

https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/01/07/US-capitol-trump-poll

I'm open to more news sources, I've been getting a fair amount this time around from Reason and WSJ, both known to be conservative-leaning, as well as Bloomberg and LA Times.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: HMart on January 08, 2021, 12:55:08 AM
https://mirror.fro.wtf/reddit/publicfreakout/ksgvin.mp4 (https://mirror.fro.wtf/reddit/publicfreakout/ksgvin.mp4)

Multiple angles of the shooting. Trigger warning for professor chaos and others, violence and kashooting.

Some info about the rioter who died. Sad.

Quote
Police Identify Woman Shot by Capitol Police as Ashli Babbitt; Officer who shot at Air Force veteran and Trump backer placed on leave amid investigation of her death during Wednesday riot

Ashli Babbitt served for more than a dozen years in the Air Force and Air National Guard, including several deployments to Iraq during the war.

More recently, in a Twitter account under her name, she retweeted thousands of tweets supporting President Trump. On Tuesday, she tweeted herself: "Nothing will stop us....they can try and try and try but the storm is here and it is descending upon DC in less than 24 hours....dark to light!"

Her postings on social media leave clues as to how a 35-year-old military veteran turned into an angry supporter of the president.

In a recent posting, she included the hashtag #WWG1WGA, or Where We Go 1 We Go All, a slogan associated with QAnon , a far right-wing, loosely organized network and community of believers who embrace a range of unsubstantiated beliefs.

Ms. Babbitt died Wednesday after being shot by the Capitol Police , the police said, as she was part of the crowd aiming to disrupt the certification of the 2020 presidential election. Capitol Police identified Ms. Babbitt Thursday and said the officer who shot her had been placed on leave while her death is investigated.

Ms. Babbitt lived in San Diego. She and her husband owned a pool services and supply company in suburban San Diego, according to California state business records. Her husband didn't respond to phone and email messages.

Robert J. Contee III, DC Metropolitan Police chief, described the incident Wednesday. "One Capitol Police officer discharged a service weapon striking an adult female," he said. "She was transported to a local hospital where all lifesaving efforts failed. She was pronounced deceased."

Multiple videos of the shooting posted on social media show Ms. Babbitt, who appears to be wearing a Trump flag as a cape, falling from a smashed-out window after being shot by an officer on the other side of a set of double doors. The doors appear to have been barricaded to block rioters from making their way into a Congressional hallway.

In the videos, multiple police officers appear to provide first aid to Ms. Babbitt, who was taken to a hospital and later died of her injuries.

On Wednesday, Ms. Babbitt's husband told San Diego television station KUSI that she was a passionate Trump supporter. A Facebook page attributed to Ms. Babbitt says the two married in 2019.

The Storming of the U.S. Capitol

In social-media profiles in her name, Ms. Babbitt is described as a veteran and libertarian who loved her husband, her large black-and-white dog "and above all, my country."

Ms. Babbitt served in the U.S. Air Force under the name of Ashli Elizabeth McEntee, in the branch's security forces, between 2004 and 2008, according to military records. She was a senior airman, a rank of E-4, and last served at Dyess Air Force Base, near Abilene, Texas. She didn't rise to become a noncommissioned officer after years in the reserves and National Guard, according to official records.

She left active duty in April 2008 and served in the Air Force Reserve from 2008 to 2010 and then served in the Air National Guard until 2016, according to records.

During her career, she deployed overseas, including in Iraq.

It was in 2016 that Ms. Babbitt was issued the first of two peace orders, Maryland's version of a restraining order, according to court records, although they don't provide details on who requested the order. She had another restraining order filed against her in 2017, according to Maryland court records. She also was charged in Maryland that year for "willful motor vehicle damage without the owner's consent" but was found not guilty. She was charged again in 2016 with reckless endangerment, for which she was found not guilty, and malicious destruction of property, for which she was acquitted, that same year, court records show. In 2019, she had a complaint filed against her for aggressive driving that was thrown out based on a lack of jurisdiction, the court records show.

Since her death, Ms. Babbitt has been held up by many pro-Trump social-media accounts as something of a martyr. Virginia State Sen. Amanda Chase, who was at the Capitol on Wednesday, wrote in a Facebook post late Wednesday : "ASHLI BABBITT; say HER name. A veteran who was brutally murdered by Capitol Police today."

Right-wing social media influencer Rogan O'Handley, who has 1.8 million followers on Instagram, praised Ms. Babbitt. "She did not deserve to be shot and killed by Capitol police while unarmed." The post was liked more than 186,000 times.

On Twitter, an account in her name that uses the nickname "CommonAshSense," routinely retweeted supporters of Mr. Trump, including attorney L. Lin Wood. She repeatedly retweeted posts about Wednesday's rally. On Wednesday she retweeted a comment from Mr. Wood calling for Vice President Mike Pence to resign and be charged with treason. That tweet was removed by Twitter.

The account, opened in October 2016, includes retweets and comments supportive of conspiracy theories. In November 2018 she posted a pair of videos, recorded while she was driving, complaining about California politicians.

"How about we worry about what the hell you are doing. What have you done?" Ms. Babbitt said. "I'm telling you now, I'm putting you all on notice. Every one of you politicians in California."

She named Gov. Gavin Newsom, former Gov. Jerry Brown, Rep. Maxine Waters, all Democrats, and Republican former Republican Congressman Duncan Hunter.

The account also shared posts against wearing face masks to limit the spread of the coronavirus. On Dec. 9, responding to a news report of an underground party being broken up in Los Angeles, she tweeted that Covid-19 was a joke.

"You aren't a threat to anyone by simply breathing. The officers are fine but should be ashamed. COVID IS A F—ING JOKE! They will face no punishment in court... this is America not China. There are rules here about freedoms and things of that nature!" she wrote.

Jim Oberman and Deepa Seetharaman contributed to this article.

Write to Andrew Duehren at andrew.duehren@wsj.com , Alicia A. Caldwell at Alicia.Caldwell@wsj.com and Gordon Lubold at Gordon.Lubold@wsj.com
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 08, 2021, 12:56:50 AM
The plot thickens. There were videos/pictures of police (not sure which agency) opening the door to the capital, lifting the barriers, taking selfie’s with the insurgents.

A big time investigation should take place.

NYPost: Capitol police hold door for pro-Trump protesters, video shows

A Capitol Police officer was seen politely holding the door for the pro-President Trump protesters to walk out of the building after they caused mayhem that forced lawmakers to barricade themselves inside.

Footage posted to Twitter showed an officer standing by as a stream of cheering protesters filed out of the historic building Wednesday after disrupting a joint session of Congress to certify the November presidential election.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-hold-door-for-pro-trump-protesters-video-shows/

The security or police opened the door for them to leave. A little too nice?
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 08, 2021, 12:58:06 AM
What is sad is the US capital was under siege! The last time this happened was in 1814 by the British.

https://mirror.fro.wtf/reddit/publicfreakout/ksgvin.mp4 (https://mirror.fro.wtf/reddit/publicfreakout/ksgvin.mp4)

Multiple angles of the shooting. Trigger warning for professor chaos and others, violence and kashooting.

Some info about the rioter who died. Sad.

Quote
Police Identify Woman Shot by Capitol Police as Ashli Babbitt; Officer who shot at Air Force veteran and Trump backer placed on leave amid investigation of her death during Wednesday riot

Ashli Babbitt served for more than a dozen years in the Air Force and Air National Guard, including several deployments to Iraq during the war.

More recently, in a Twitter account under her name, she retweeted thousands of tweets supporting President Trump. On Tuesday, she tweeted herself: "Nothing will stop us....they can try and try and try but the storm is here and it is descending upon DC in less than 24 hours....dark to light!"

Her postings on social media leave clues as to how a 35-year-old military veteran turned into an angry supporter of the president.

In a recent posting, she included the hashtag #WWG1WGA, or Where We Go 1 We Go All, a slogan associated with QAnon , a far right-wing, loosely organized network and community of believers who embrace a range of unsubstantiated beliefs.

Ms. Babbitt died Wednesday after being shot by the Capitol Police , the police said, as she was part of the crowd aiming to disrupt the certification of the 2020 presidential election. Capitol Police identified Ms. Babbitt Thursday and said the officer who shot her had been placed on leave while her death is investigated.

Ms. Babbitt lived in San Diego. She and her husband owned a pool services and supply company in suburban San Diego, according to California state business records. Her husband didn't respond to phone and email messages.

Robert J. Contee III, DC Metropolitan Police chief, described the incident Wednesday. "One Capitol Police officer discharged a service weapon striking an adult female," he said. "She was transported to a local hospital where all lifesaving efforts failed. She was pronounced deceased."

Multiple videos of the shooting posted on social media show Ms. Babbitt, who appears to be wearing a Trump flag as a cape, falling from a smashed-out window after being shot by an officer on the other side of a set of double doors. The doors appear to have been barricaded to block rioters from making their way into a Congressional hallway.

In the videos, multiple police officers appear to provide first aid to Ms. Babbitt, who was taken to a hospital and later died of her injuries.

On Wednesday, Ms. Babbitt's husband told San Diego television station KUSI that she was a passionate Trump supporter. A Facebook page attributed to Ms. Babbitt says the two married in 2019.

The Storming of the U.S. Capitol

In social-media profiles in her name, Ms. Babbitt is described as a veteran and libertarian who loved her husband, her large black-and-white dog "and above all, my country."

Ms. Babbitt served in the U.S. Air Force under the name of Ashli Elizabeth McEntee, in the branch's security forces, between 2004 and 2008, according to military records. She was a senior airman, a rank of E-4, and last served at Dyess Air Force Base, near Abilene, Texas. She didn't rise to become a noncommissioned officer after years in the reserves and National Guard, according to official records.

She left active duty in April 2008 and served in the Air Force Reserve from 2008 to 2010 and then served in the Air National Guard until 2016, according to records.

During her career, she deployed overseas, including in Iraq.

It was in 2016 that Ms. Babbitt was issued the first of two peace orders, Maryland's version of a restraining order, according to court records, although they don't provide details on who requested the order. She had another restraining order filed against her in 2017, according to Maryland court records. She also was charged in Maryland that year for "willful motor vehicle damage without the owner's consent" but was found not guilty. She was charged again in 2016 with reckless endangerment, for which she was found not guilty, and malicious destruction of property, for which she was acquitted, that same year, court records show. In 2019, she had a complaint filed against her for aggressive driving that was thrown out based on a lack of jurisdiction, the court records show.

Since her death, Ms. Babbitt has been held up by many pro-Trump social-media accounts as something of a martyr. Virginia State Sen. Amanda Chase, who was at the Capitol on Wednesday, wrote in a Facebook post late Wednesday : "ASHLI BABBITT; say HER name. A veteran who was brutally murdered by Capitol Police today."

Right-wing social media influencer Rogan O'Handley, who has 1.8 million followers on Instagram, praised Ms. Babbitt. "She did not deserve to be shot and killed by Capitol police while unarmed." The post was liked more than 186,000 times.

On Twitter, an account in her name that uses the nickname "CommonAshSense," routinely retweeted supporters of Mr. Trump, including attorney L. Lin Wood. She repeatedly retweeted posts about Wednesday's rally. On Wednesday she retweeted a comment from Mr. Wood calling for Vice President Mike Pence to resign and be charged with treason. That tweet was removed by Twitter.

The account, opened in October 2016, includes retweets and comments supportive of conspiracy theories. In November 2018 she posted a pair of videos, recorded while she was driving, complaining about California politicians.

"How about we worry about what the hell you are doing. What have you done?" Ms. Babbitt said. "I'm telling you now, I'm putting you all on notice. Every one of you politicians in California."

She named Gov. Gavin Newsom, former Gov. Jerry Brown, Rep. Maxine Waters, all Democrats, and Republican former Republican Congressman Duncan Hunter.

The account also shared posts against wearing face masks to limit the spread of the coronavirus. On Dec. 9, responding to a news report of an underground party being broken up in Los Angeles, she tweeted that Covid-19 was a joke.

"You aren't a threat to anyone by simply breathing. The officers are fine but should be ashamed. COVID IS A F—ING JOKE! They will face no punishment in court... this is America not China. There are rules here about freedoms and things of that nature!" she wrote.

Jim Oberman and Deepa Seetharaman contributed to this article.

Write to Andrew Duehren at andrew.duehren@wsj.com , Alicia A. Caldwell at Alicia.Caldwell@wsj.com and Gordon Lubold at Gordon.Lubold@wsj.com
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 08, 2021, 01:04:57 AM
Business Insider Article: Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, called for 'trial by combat' while addressing a mob of pro-Trump supporters, just hours before hundreds of them violently stormed the Capitol on Wednesday.

Giuliani repeated false claims that the election results were "fraudulent" and told the crowd: "If we are wrong we will be made fools of, but if we're right a lot of them will go to jail. So let's have trial by combat."

Trial by combat is a term deriving from ancient Germanic law in which individuals settle disputes through armed combat.

https://www.businessinsider.com/rudy-giuliani-called-on-trump-supporters-for-trial-by-combat-2021-1


Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: nosuchreality on January 08, 2021, 06:15:41 AM
Just looking at the time since the election, let alone the last 4 years, the meaning of rhetoric is plainly obvious.  We have dealt with the “I didn’t explicitly say that” in Nuremberg.  I only followed orders. Etc.

In the end, after they assaulted the capitol, Trump basically said bravo patriots. Clearly indicating, IMHO, they did exactly what he encouraged them to do and hoped they would do.


Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: freedomcm on January 08, 2021, 06:35:34 AM
Since her death, Ms. Babbitt has been held up by many pro-Trump social-media accounts as something of a martyr. Virginia State Sen. Amanda Chase, who was at the Capitol on Wednesday, wrote in a Facebook post late Wednesday : "ASHLI BABBITT; say HER name. A veteran who was brutally murdered by Capitol Police today."


What a load of...false equivalence!

How can the traitor trumpists imply that the death of someone storming the US capital is the same as Taylor, shot in her own home in a fusillade of gunfire from home invaders with badges.

Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: paperboyNC on January 08, 2021, 09:17:23 AM
SGIP,

I appreciate your response, but what made Trump the most complicit in the insurrection wasn't any particular line of that morning rally. It was his refusal to send any assistance to the Capitol Building where the Vice President, his family and the entire body of Congress was hiding from armed MAGA rioters, some of whom were intent on causing harm to them.

Maryland Governor, a Republican said that congress was begging for the National Guard from Maryland after Trump refused to send the DC National Guard and the Trump administration refused to allow Maryland to send their National guard either https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2021/01/08/maryland-governor-describes-delayed-permission-to-send-national-guard/

It wasn't until Pence broke the chain of command and also bypassed the Security of Defense that any help was send to the Capitol Building.

Quote
As rioters smashed windows and forced lawmakers into hiding, the head of the Maryland National Guard was told he could not come to the aid of US Capitol police, per Hogan.

Ninety minutes later, according to Hogan, the secretary of the Army, Ryan McCarthy, called him to request the deployment.

Typically such calls come from the US Secretary of Defense. It was not the only apparent breach in the chain of command on Wednesday. The order to deploy the National Guard came not from the commander in chief, President Donald Trump, but rather Vice President Mike Pence, according to The New York Times.
https://news.yahoo.com/maryland-governor-tried-deploy-national-002546744.html
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 08, 2021, 11:33:37 AM
@SGIP:

You didn't mention that Trump also told the "terrorists":

"We Love You, You’re Very Special."

If an idiot is looking for validation for their actions... isn't that it?

Or was he insulting them by calling them "special"? I would say they are special... particulary the ones who posted their pics on social media making it a home run for prosecution.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on January 08, 2021, 01:32:41 PM
@PaperboyNC,

The Senators listed in the article are all with a D behind their name. They kept saying "We don't have the authority...." but they knew who did. Was a call placed to POTUS? Not that I can tell from that article or in any other news resource. So what if VP Pence OK'd the National Guard? For all we know he may have been the first person available in the Executive Branch to get that done. So very little facts are on the ground right now and articles filled with speculation aren't all that interesting to me. As for the level of Police and NG in DC at the time, those levels were based on past Trump rally emergency and law enforcement threats. DC Police were clearly understaffed. Intelligence on what could have gone wrong wasn't paid attention to. It's a failure to plan correctly rather than respond swiftly that caused this to become the problem that it has now. It's 2020 hindsight and I wish that Genie could be stuffed back into the bottle. 

@IHO -

The clip you're mentioning isn't the focus of the video released by the President. It's easy to parse a small part of a call to disburse out like that, but not as truthful as it could be. I've heard that statement distilled down to claims that POTUS "loves" what happened - one word out of a 2 minute video.  The same  goes for those idiots looking for validation. They don't hear the larger "go home" peaceably message, only what is played over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again ad nauseum by the media. Those kinds of people looking for any scrap of validation cannot be stopped even if they were called "terrorists" or thugs. The President condemmned Nazi's and the KKK for many years, but did either of these groups stop because of what was said?

Swift law enforcement, thorough prosecution of offenders, and irreducible jail sentences may put he respect of law back where it belongs. I just don't see it given our current culture, what with "protestors" being released, bailed out, and criminal charging enhancements being cancelled by DA's (LA County for example) this may never happen.

Also yes, social media could help identify these kooks. I'm all for it. You post it? You live with the repercussions.   

IMHO these problems have mushroomed once one side was given the "Get out of jail free" card. Looting without law enforcement sends a terrible message. It's basic undenyable human nature for every other group to believe they will get the same treatment - a free pass to riot without consequence. Had more heads been cracked in Seattle, Portland, Long Beach, and other summer riot filled cities, perhaps DC wouldn't have occurred. As soon as a time machine can be made commercially available we might go back and test this theory for success or failure.

My .02c
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 08, 2021, 01:45:24 PM
Not a reasonable statement. If you take the statement at the rally at the mall. He and Rudy are encouraging people to take action. I am taking a guess that this thing was well planned.
There was new article of someones social media account taking a private jet from CA to D. Then with a photo by broken glass at the capital.
There are reports police arrested a person with molatav cocktails, there are pictures of people with zip ties, many people have onions for their eyes for tear gas. The fbi is looking for information relating to the pipe bomb. This is not a coincidence.

Federal Police Agencies - Please search the emails, phones, and correspondence. (Maybe no Miranda rights needed due to national security threat and previous actions that happened in the capital.) We need to get to the bottom of this.

@IHO -

The clip you're mentioning isn't the focus of the video released by the President. It's easy to parse a small part of a call to disburse out like that, but not as truthful as it could be. I've heard that statement distilled down to claims that POTUS "loves" what happened - one word out of a 2 minute video.  The same  goes for those idiots looking for validation. They don't hear the larger "go home" peaceably message, only what is played over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again ad nauseum by the media. Those kinds of people looking for any scrap of validation cannot be stopped even if they were called "terrorists" or thugs. The President condemmned Nazi's and the KKK for many years, but did either of these groups stop because of what was said?

Swift law enforcement, thorough prosecution of offenders, and irreducible jail sentences may put he respect of law back where it belongs. I just don't see it given our current culture, what with "protestors" being released, bailed out, and criminal charging enhancements being cancelled by DA's (LA County for example) this may never happen.

Also yes, social media could help identify these kooks. I'm all for it. You post it? You live with the repercussions.   

IMHO these problems have mushroomed once one side was given the "Get out of jail free" card. Looting without law enforcement sends a terrible message. It's basic undenyable human nature for every other group to believe they will get the same treatment - a free pass to riot without consequence. Had more heads been cracked in Seattle, Portland, Long Beach, and other summer riot filled cities, perhaps DC wouldn't have occurred. As soon as a time machine can be made commercially available we might go back and test this theory for success or failure.

My .02c
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 08, 2021, 01:48:00 PM
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Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 08, 2021, 02:04:23 PM
TMZ: ALABAMA MAN ARRESTED ...
11 Molotov Cocktails in Truck!!!

According to legal docs -- obtained by TMZ -- Coffman approached cops and told them he was trying to get to his vehicle -- a red pickup -- the same suspicious vehicle they had received calls about.

Cops say he asked them if they found the bombs, and upon searching his truck ... they found 11 mason jars containing an unknown liquid with a golf tee in the top of each jar, cloth rags and lighters. AKA -- Molotov cocktails.

Coffman's been arrested, and cops say -- based on security footage -- he was seen leaving the vehicle parked near the Capitol building on Wednesday morning.

https://www.tmz.com/2021/01/08/alabama-man-lonnie-coffman-arrested-for-possession-of-explosives-and-gun/










Not a reasonable statement. If you take the statement at the rally at the mall. He and Rudy are encouraging people to take action. I am taking a guess that this thing was well planned.
There was new article of someones social media account taking a private jet from CA to D. Then with a photo by broken glass at the capital.
There are reports police arrested a person with molatav cocktails, there are pictures of people with zip ties, many people have onions for their eyes for tear gas. The fbi is looking for information relating to the pipe bomb. This is not a coincidence.

Federal Police Agencies - Please search the emails, phones, and correspondence. (Maybe no Miranda rights needed due to national security threat and previous actions that happened in the capital.) We need to get to the bottom of this.

@IHO -

The clip you're mentioning isn't the focus of the video released by the President. It's easy to parse a small part of a call to disburse out like that, but not as truthful as it could be. I've heard that statement distilled down to claims that POTUS "loves" what happened - one word out of a 2 minute video.  The same  goes for those idiots looking for validation. They don't hear the larger "go home" peaceably message, only what is played over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again ad nauseum by the media. Those kinds of people looking for any scrap of validation cannot be stopped even if they were called "terrorists" or thugs. The President condemmned Nazi's and the KKK for many years, but did either of these groups stop because of what was said?

Swift law enforcement, thorough prosecution of offenders, and irreducible jail sentences may put he respect of law back where it belongs. I just don't see it given our current culture, what with "protestors" being released, bailed out, and criminal charging enhancements being cancelled by DA's (LA County for example) this may never happen.

Also yes, social media could help identify these kooks. I'm all for it. You post it? You live with the repercussions.   

IMHO these problems have mushroomed once one side was given the "Get out of jail free" card. Looting without law enforcement sends a terrible message. It's basic undenyable human nature for every other group to believe they will get the same treatment - a free pass to riot without consequence. Had more heads been cracked in Seattle, Portland, Long Beach, and other summer riot filled cities, perhaps DC wouldn't have occurred. As soon as a time machine can be made commercially available we might go back and test this theory for success or failure.

My .02c
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 08, 2021, 02:07:01 PM
Tmz: picture of a man in the capital with many zip ties.

https://www.tmz.com/2021/01/08/elizabeth-from-knoxville-accused-rubbing-eyes-with-onion-towel-maced/

TMZ: ALABAMA MAN ARRESTED ...
11 Molotov Cocktails in Truck!!!

According to legal docs -- obtained by TMZ -- Coffman approached cops and told them he was trying to get to his vehicle -- a red pickup -- the same suspicious vehicle they had received calls about.

Cops say he asked them if they found the bombs, and upon searching his truck ... they found 11 mason jars containing an unknown liquid with a golf tee in the top of each jar, cloth rags and lighters. AKA -- Molotov cocktails.

Coffman's been arrested, and cops say -- based on security footage -- he was seen leaving the vehicle parked near the Capitol building on Wednesday morning.

https://www.tmz.com/2021/01/08/alabama-man-lonnie-coffman-arrested-for-possession-of-explosives-and-gun/










Not a reasonable statement. If you take the statement at the rally at the mall. He and Rudy are encouraging people to take action. I am taking a guess that this thing was well planned.
There was new article of someones social media account taking a private jet from CA to D. Then with a photo by broken glass at the capital.
There are reports police arrested a person with molatav cocktails, there are pictures of people with zip ties, many people have onions for their eyes for tear gas. The fbi is looking for information relating to the pipe bomb. This is not a coincidence.

Federal Police Agencies - Please search the emails, phones, and correspondence. (Maybe no Miranda rights needed due to national security threat and previous actions that happened in the capital.) We need to get to the bottom of this.

@IHO -

The clip you're mentioning isn't the focus of the video released by the President. It's easy to parse a small part of a call to disburse out like that, but not as truthful as it could be. I've heard that statement distilled down to claims that POTUS "loves" what happened - one word out of a 2 minute video.  The same  goes for those idiots looking for validation. They don't hear the larger "go home" peaceably message, only what is played over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again ad nauseum by the media. Those kinds of people looking for any scrap of validation cannot be stopped even if they were called "terrorists" or thugs. The President condemmned Nazi's and the KKK for many years, but did either of these groups stop because of what was said?

Swift law enforcement, thorough prosecution of offenders, and irreducible jail sentences may put he respect of law back where it belongs. I just don't see it given our current culture, what with "protestors" being released, bailed out, and criminal charging enhancements being cancelled by DA's (LA County for example) this may never happen.

Also yes, social media could help identify these kooks. I'm all for it. You post it? You live with the repercussions.   

IMHO these problems have mushroomed once one side was given the "Get out of jail free" card. Looting without law enforcement sends a terrible message. It's basic undenyable human nature for every other group to believe they will get the same treatment - a free pass to riot without consequence. Had more heads been cracked in Seattle, Portland, Long Beach, and other summer riot filled cities, perhaps DC wouldn't have occurred. As soon as a time machine can be made commercially available we might go back and test this theory for success or failure.

My .02c
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on January 08, 2021, 02:34:34 PM
Wait is the biggest source shamer really using TMZ as a news source?  That is funnier than the snowflake threat. ;D ;) >:D
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 08, 2021, 02:37:02 PM
Wait is the biggest source shamer really using TMZ as a news source?  That is funnier than the snowflake threat. ;D ;) >:D

Again. This is a joke to you. That the capital was taken over.
I will say this to you again and again. Country and constitution over party.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 08, 2021, 02:37:56 PM
Morkeas is mad that his buddy is going on a downward spiral.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 08, 2021, 02:47:05 PM
Morekas does not believe TMZ. So guys here you go.

NBC article citing the DOJ:
Authorities have made a series of arrests following the riots at the Capitol. The U.S. Department of Justice announced several cases Friday with some deeply disturbing allegations.

Among them is the case announced against Alabama resident Lonnie Coffman. Federal officials say they found 11 Molotov cocktails filled with gasoline and homemade napalm inside Coffman's red pickup truck near the Capitol grounds Wednesday, in addition to a cache of firearms including an automatic weapon.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/several-arrested-after-capitol-riot-including-man-accused-of-having-11-molotov-cocktails-in-truck/2535100/

Come on the guy was not there to serve drinks to the protestors look at the ingredients.

TMZ: ALABAMA MAN ARRESTED ...
11 Molotov Cocktails in Truck!!!

According to legal docs -- obtained by TMZ -- Coffman approached cops and told them he was trying to get to his vehicle -- a red pickup -- the same suspicious vehicle they had received calls about.

Cops say he asked them if they found the bombs, and upon searching his truck ... they found 11 mason jars containing an unknown liquid with a golf tee in the top of each jar, cloth rags and lighters. AKA -- Molotov cocktails.

Coffman's been arrested, and cops say -- based on security footage -- he was seen leaving the vehicle parked near the Capitol building on Wednesday morning.

https://www.tmz.com/2021/01/08/alabama-man-lonnie-coffman-arrested-for-possession-of-explosives-and-gun/










Not a reasonable statement. If you take the statement at the rally at the mall. He and Rudy are encouraging people to take action. I am taking a guess that this thing was well planned.
There was new article of someones social media account taking a private jet from CA to D. Then with a photo by broken glass at the capital.
There are reports police arrested a person with molatav cocktails, there are pictures of people with zip ties, many people have onions for their eyes for tear gas. The fbi is looking for information relating to the pipe bomb. This is not a coincidence.

Federal Police Agencies - Please search the emails, phones, and correspondence. (Maybe no Miranda rights needed due to national security threat and previous actions that happened in the capital.) We need to get to the bottom of this.

@IHO -

The clip you're mentioning isn't the focus of the video released by the President. It's easy to parse a small part of a call to disburse out like that, but not as truthful as it could be. I've heard that statement distilled down to claims that POTUS "loves" what happened - one word out of a 2 minute video.  The same  goes for those idiots looking for validation. They don't hear the larger "go home" peaceably message, only what is played over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again ad nauseum by the media. Those kinds of people looking for any scrap of validation cannot be stopped even if they were called "terrorists" or thugs. The President condemmned Nazi's and the KKK for many years, but did either of these groups stop because of what was said?

Swift law enforcement, thorough prosecution of offenders, and irreducible jail sentences may put he respect of law back where it belongs. I just don't see it given our current culture, what with "protestors" being released, bailed out, and criminal charging enhancements being cancelled by DA's (LA County for example) this may never happen.

Also yes, social media could help identify these kooks. I'm all for it. You post it? You live with the repercussions.   

IMHO these problems have mushroomed once one side was given the "Get out of jail free" card. Looting without law enforcement sends a terrible message. It's basic undenyable human nature for every other group to believe they will get the same treatment - a free pass to riot without consequence. Had more heads been cracked in Seattle, Portland, Long Beach, and other summer riot filled cities, perhaps DC wouldn't have occurred. As soon as a time machine can be made commercially available we might go back and test this theory for success or failure.

My .02c
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on January 08, 2021, 02:58:12 PM
I’m not sore, far from it. The next two years of the Biden administration followed by the last two years of the Harris administration will be endlessly  entertaining. Watching Trump torture them from the sidelines while they get nothing done...I look forward to it...remember, I love the Kaos!! ;D ;) >:D
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 08, 2021, 03:07:09 PM
I’m not sore, far from it. The next two years of the Biden administration followed by the last two years of the Harris administration will be endlessly  entertaining. Watching Trump torture them from the sidelines while they get nothing done...I look forward to it...remember, I love the Kaos!! ;D ;) >:D

Why are you happy Trump torturing the US? You sound really un American right now.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 08, 2021, 03:08:16 PM
He does not get it. The attack on the Capital was an attack on the US.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on January 08, 2021, 03:09:44 PM
IMHO these problems have mushroomed once one side was given the "Get out of jail free" card. Looting without law enforcement sends a terrible message. It's basic undenyable human nature for every other group to believe they will get the same treatment - a free pass to riot without consequence. Had more heads been cracked in Seattle, Portland, Long Beach, and other summer riot filled cities, perhaps DC wouldn't have occurred. As soon as a time machine can be made commercially available we might go back and test this theory for success or failure.

My .02c

(https://i.imgflip.com/4t4c8n.jpg)

Joking aside, wall of text isn't going to beat images of people in Trump capes attacking the capital in the mindshare game. Trump is doneskies for a while, we'll see what his next move is.

Another important point, BLM or Antifa dont call themselves "the party of law and order" or even "democrats". Their behavior will thus be held to a lower standard, and will not be tied closely to the Biden administration by most folks. Whereas the actions of someone cosplaying as Trump-Man are obviously going to be tied much more firmly to Trump himself.

Not to mention, fighting against systemic oppression is a much more relatable cause than mostly unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud. One sounds like people fighting for their lives and livelihood, the other sounds like a bunch of delusional losers. This worry over voter fraud also feels hypocritical considering the criminal, sometimes brutal, methods of black voter suppression and fraud historically in the US which has an enormous body of evidence compared to anything presented by the Trump camp. Like most things in politics, it seems people only worry about these things when it negatively affects them, ignoring all historical context or even their own previous beliefs.

If hand-wringing over voting fraud allegations leads to anything, I hope its an abolishment of our outdated first past the post voting system and implementation of ranked-choice (or instant runoff) voting. This current system inevitably leads to two divided parties and tends towards enabling unpopular extremist policies favored by a party's base, but not serving the majority of Americans. Of course, neither party wants to give up their stranglehold on power so why would they ever implement it? Unless the system completely breaks down....

CGP does a great job of explaining the inherent problems with our current systems in this playlist. If you have the time I highly recommend giving it a peak and interested to know people's thoughts. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo&list=PLNCHVwtpeBY4mybPkHEnRxSOb7FQ2vF9c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo&list=PLNCHVwtpeBY4mybPkHEnRxSOb7FQ2vF9c)
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 08, 2021, 03:13:38 PM
This has nothing to do with BLM. This has to do with domestic terrorism that was planned and encouraged by Rudy and Trump.

IMHO these problems have mushroomed once one side was given the "Get out of jail free" card. Looting without law enforcement sends a terrible message. It's basic undenyable human nature for every other group to believe they will get the same treatment - a free pass to riot without consequence. Had more heads been cracked in Seattle, Portland, Long Beach, and other summer riot filled cities, perhaps DC wouldn't have occurred. As soon as a time machine can be made commercially available we might go back and test this theory for success or failure.

My .02c

(https://i.imgflip.com/4t4c8n.jpg)

Joking aside, wall of text isn't going to beat images of people in Trump capes attacking the capital in the mindshare game. Trump is doneskies for a while, we'll see what his next move is.

Another important point, BLM or Antifa dont call themselves "the party of law and order" or even "democrats". Their behavior will thus be held to a lower standard, and will not be tied closely to the Biden administration by most folks. Whereas the actions of someone cosplaying as Trump-Man are obviously going to be tied much more firmly to Trump himself.

Not to mention, fighting against systemic oppression is a much more relatable cause than mostly unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud. One sounds like people fighting for their lives and livelihood, the other sounds like a bunch of delusional losers. This worry over voter fraud also feels hypocritical considering the criminal, sometimes brutal, methods of black voter suppression and fraud historically in the US which has an enormous body of evidence compared to anything presented by the Trump camp. Like most things in politics, it seems people only worry about these things when it negatively affects them, ignoring all historical context or even their own previous beliefs.

If hand-wringing over voting fraud allegations leads to anything, I hope its an abolishment of our outdated first past the post voting system and implementation of ranked-choice (or instant runoff) voting. This current system inevitably leads to two divided parties and tends towards enabling unpopular extremist policies favored by a party's base, but not serving the majority of Americans. Of course, neither party wants to give up their stranglehold on power so why would they ever implement it? Unless the system completely breaks down....

CGP does a great job of explaining the inherent problems with our current systems in this playlist. If you have the time I highly recommend giving it a peak and interested to know people's thoughts. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo&list=PLNCHVwtpeBY4mybPkHEnRxSOb7FQ2vF9c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo&list=PLNCHVwtpeBY4mybPkHEnRxSOb7FQ2vF9c)
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on January 08, 2021, 03:16:36 PM
This has nothing to do with BLM. This has to do with domestic terrorism that was planned and encouraged by Rudy and Trump.

No, only whataboutism is allowed in political discussions. How dare you blame the person whose name was on every piece of clothing worn by the insurgents.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: HMart on January 08, 2021, 03:44:11 PM
Not seeing much about this state Republican lawmaker that participated..

Quote
West Virginia GOP state lawmaker who stormed US Capitol faces criminal charge

A West Virginia Republican state lawmaker who recorded himself storming the US Capitol during a deadly riot there earlier this week is facing a criminal charge, US officials announced Friday.

Derrick Evans, a member of the West Virginia House of Delegates, has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering a restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney's office for Washington.

The complaint will be made publicly available later Friday.

Evans' lawyer, John Bryan, told CNN he hasn't yet seen the complaint and declined to provide any comment on the charge.

The charge comes as federal authorities begin to arrest and bring charges against some of the scores of people who participated in the riot at the Capitol on Wednesday, which was incited in part by President Donald Trump and resulted in the deaths of five people, including a US Capitol Police officer.

The Department of Justice on Friday announced that 13 people are facing federal charges stemming from the riot Wednesday at the Capitol. The full court records have not yet been made available for all defendants and only a handful of the individuals have made court appearances. In addition to those who have been charged, the Justice Department said that additional complaints "have been submitted and investigations are ongoing."

"The lawless destruction of the U.S. Capitol building was an attack against one of our Nation's greatest institutions," said acting US Attorney Michael Sherwin. "My Office, along with our law enforcement partners at all levels, have been expeditiously working and leveraging every resource to identify, arrest, and begin prosecuting these individuals who took part in the brazen criminal acts at the U.S. Capitol."

Evans, a supporter of Trump, recorded a Facebook Live video in which he can be heard shouting, "We're in! We're in, baby!" while moving among a crowd of rioters as he walked through a doorway of the Capitol.

He has denied taking part in the destruction and violence and has since deleted the clip, but not before it was shared on social media and aired by CNN affiliate WCHS. In another video posted to his Facebook page Wednesday morning, Evans laughs as he predicts a riot.

Evans said later Wednesday that he had filmed the event onlyas an "independent member of the media to film history," though it does not appear he has any experience working as one.

Evans' lawyer had asserted in a statement Thursday that his client "had no choice but to enter" the Capitol due to the size of the crowd he was in, and that "it wasn't apparent to Mr. Evans that he wasn't allowed to follow the crowd into this public area of the Capitol, inside which members of the public were already located."

Evans' actions have sparked calls for his resignation, including from Republican West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on January 08, 2021, 03:48:44 PM
Not seeing much about this state Republican lawmaker that participated..

https://twitter.com/i/status/1347629406043443203  (https://twitter.com/i/status/1347629406043443203)

Vid of arrest. Poor granny.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 08, 2021, 03:49:44 PM
There are more. Someone will post about it or I will later when I get a chance.

Not seeing much about this state Republican lawmaker that participated..

Quote
West Virginia GOP state lawmaker who stormed US Capitol faces criminal charge

A West Virginia Republican state lawmaker who recorded himself storming the US Capitol during a deadly riot there earlier this week is facing a criminal charge, US officials announced Friday.

Derrick Evans, a member of the West Virginia House of Delegates, has been charged in a criminal complaint with entering a restricted area and entering the US Capitol, said Ken Kohl, a top official in the US attorney's office for Washington.

The complaint will be made publicly available later Friday.

Evans' lawyer, John Bryan, told CNN he hasn't yet seen the complaint and declined to provide any comment on the charge.

The charge comes as federal authorities begin to arrest and bring charges against some of the scores of people who participated in the riot at the Capitol on Wednesday, which was incited in part by President Donald Trump and resulted in the deaths of five people, including a US Capitol Police officer.

The Department of Justice on Friday announced that 13 people are facing federal charges stemming from the riot Wednesday at the Capitol. The full court records have not yet been made available for all defendants and only a handful of the individuals have made court appearances. In addition to those who have been charged, the Justice Department said that additional complaints "have been submitted and investigations are ongoing."

"The lawless destruction of the U.S. Capitol building was an attack against one of our Nation's greatest institutions," said acting US Attorney Michael Sherwin. "My Office, along with our law enforcement partners at all levels, have been expeditiously working and leveraging every resource to identify, arrest, and begin prosecuting these individuals who took part in the brazen criminal acts at the U.S. Capitol."

Evans, a supporter of Trump, recorded a Facebook Live video in which he can be heard shouting, "We're in! We're in, baby!" while moving among a crowd of rioters as he walked through a doorway of the Capitol.

He has denied taking part in the destruction and violence and has since deleted the clip, but not before it was shared on social media and aired by CNN affiliate WCHS. In another video posted to his Facebook page Wednesday morning, Evans laughs as he predicts a riot.

Evans said later Wednesday that he had filmed the event onlyas an "independent member of the media to film history," though it does not appear he has any experience working as one.

Evans' lawyer had asserted in a statement Thursday that his client "had no choice but to enter" the Capitol due to the size of the crowd he was in, and that "it wasn't apparent to Mr. Evans that he wasn't allowed to follow the crowd into this public area of the Capitol, inside which members of the public were already located."

Evans' actions have sparked calls for his resignation, including from Republican West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 08, 2021, 04:02:29 PM
@invoke - How about this one?

Business Insider via Yahoo news: Democratic Sen. Tammy Duckworth tweeted calling for the resignation of Rep. Mary Miller on Wednesday.

"To say that Adolf Hitler, the perpetrator of the worst genocide in world history, is 'right' about anything is disqualifying for any supposed 'leader' serving in Congress," Duckworth posted, along with a video of Miller's remarks.

"Hitler was right on one thing. He said whoever has the youth has the future," Miller, a newly elected representative from Illinois, said to a crowd of pro-Trump supporters on Tuesday outside the Capitol in Washington, DC.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sen-tammy-duckworth-demands-resignation-164448666.html

I am not shocked or surprised. But man they are so open about hitler and genocide. This is not funny and sick that a US Congress member would have that view.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: HMart on January 08, 2021, 04:07:52 PM
The clip you're mentioning isn't the focus of the video released by the President. It's easy to parse a small part of a call to disburse out like that, but not as truthful as it could be. I've heard that statement distilled down to claims that POTUS "loves" what happened - one word out of a 2 minute video.  The same  goes for those idiots looking for validation. They don't hear the larger "go home" peaceably message, only what is played over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again ad nauseum by the media. Those kinds of people looking for any scrap of validation cannot be stopped even if they were called "terrorists" or thugs. The President condemmned Nazi's and the KKK for many years, but did either of these groups stop because of what was said?

In a way I agree with you that Trump's behavior here isn't literally a crime. He literally does not say go and attack the Capitol to try to stop Congress from certifying the election. There has definitely been hyperbole on the left calling this a coup when really that's overselling the situation.

At the same time, he is still lying to his supporters, misleading them, and winking. His unwillingness to grasp reality is what perpetuates the deception that motivated people who think they love the country into attacking the country. I can't think of a more unpatriotic leader.

Decent interview here from Reason, again a conservative source: https://reason.com/2021/01/08/amash-successor-peter-meijer-trumps-deceptions-are-rankly-unfit/ I think it's a fairly reality-based conversation about how some Republicans are coming to the idea that Trump is totally unfit and should be impeached.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 08, 2021, 04:14:03 PM
The clip you're mentioning isn't the focus of the video released by the President. It's easy to parse a small part of a call to disburse out like that, but not as truthful as it could be. I've heard that statement distilled down to claims that POTUS "loves" what happened - one word out of a 2 minute video.  The same  goes for those idiots looking for validation. They don't hear the larger "go home" peaceably message, only what is played over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again ad nauseum by the media. Those kinds of people looking for any scrap of validation cannot be stopped even if they were called "terrorists" or thugs. The President condemmned Nazi's and the KKK for many years, but did either of these groups stop because of what was said?

In a way I agree with you that Trump's behavior here isn't literally a crime. He literally does not say go and attack the Capitol to try to stop Congress from certifying the election. There has definitely been hyperbole on the left calling this a coup when really that's overselling the situation.

At the same time, he is still lying to his supporters, misleading them, and winking. His unwillingness to grasp reality is what perpetuates the deception that motivated people who think they love the country into attacking the country. I can't think of a more unpatriotic leader.

Decent interview here from Reason, again a conservative source: https://reason.com/2021/01/08/amash-successor-peter-meijer-trumps-deceptions-are-rankly-unfit/ I think it's a fairly reality-based conversation about how some Republicans are coming to the idea that Trump is totally unfit and should be impeached.

They go by a time line. Did he say go home peacefully at the rally or after they attacked the capital? He already gave his orders, there is no do overs. That is like saying just joking. Sorry but you already said it, and they acted upon it.

Potential charges are on the table my friend. Idk but they are looking at things.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 08, 2021, 04:23:29 PM
It was orchestrated and planned out. The questions comes to mind who knew what and when. What did they know?
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 08, 2021, 04:37:42 PM
The clip you're mentioning isn't the focus of the video released by the President. It's easy to parse a small part of a call to disburse out like that, but not as truthful as it could be. I've heard that statement distilled down to claims that POTUS "loves" what happened - one word out of a 2 minute video.  The same  goes for those idiots looking for validation. They don't hear the larger "go home" peaceably message, only what is played over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again ad nauseum by the media. Those kinds of people looking for any scrap of validation cannot be stopped even if they were called "terrorists" or thugs. The President condemmned Nazi's and the KKK for many years, but did either of these groups stop because of what was said?

In a way I agree with you that Trump's behavior here isn't literally a crime. He literally does not say go and attack the Capitol to try to stop Congress from certifying the election. There has definitely been hyperbole on the left calling this a coup when really that's overselling the situation.

At the same time, he is still lying to his supporters, misleading them, and winking. His unwillingness to grasp reality is what perpetuates the deception that motivated people who think they love the country into attacking the country. I can't think of a more unpatriotic leader.

Decent interview here from Reason, again a conservative source: https://reason.com/2021/01/08/amash-successor-peter-meijer-trumps-deceptions-are-rankly-unfit/ I think it's a fairly reality-based conversation about how some Republicans are coming to the idea that Trump is totally unfit and should be impeached.

We all knew that the election was stolen ahead a straight up money grab and a marketing campaign. So he can say whatever he wants. Maybe people just rolled their eyes. There is no mulligan/do over like in a practice round of golf when running for public office. Lol
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on January 08, 2021, 06:30:40 PM
I’m not sore, far from it. The next two years of the Biden administration followed by the last two years of the Harris administration will be endlessly  entertaining. Watching Trump torture them from the sidelines while they get nothing done...I look forward to it...remember, I love the Kaos!! ;D ;) >:D

Why are you happy Trump torturing the US? You sound really un American right now.

Didn’t say torturing the US...said torturing Democrats...very different and far more entertaining!
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 08, 2021, 06:44:57 PM
@IHO -

The clip you're mentioning isn't the focus of the video released by the President. It's easy to parse a small part of a call to disburse out like that, but not as truthful as it could be. I've heard that statement distilled down to claims that POTUS "loves" what happened - one word out of a 2 minute video.  The same  goes for those idiots looking for validation. They don't hear the larger "go home" peaceably message, only what is played over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again ad nauseum by the media. Those kinds of people looking for any scrap of validation cannot be stopped even if they were called "terrorists" or thugs. The President condemmned Nazi's and the KKK for many years, but did either of these groups stop because of what was said?

Oh c'mon SGIP, we know the orange modus operandi. Say a bunch of things that sounds good but throw in little snippets here in there that make all those things go away.

Even his most recent one where he finally condemns the *terrorists* but still somehow inserts his "concerns" about voting validity.

Out of 2 minutes, what do you think his supporters listen to? "Go home" or "You're special"?

As my good friends say... Trump always makes sure to say both things so he can claim either one.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 08, 2021, 06:48:03 PM
And the only thing stolen during this election? The $200m the people continued to donate afterwards to prove a fraud that even Republicans know did not exist (as exampled by some speeches during the vote ratification).
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: nosuchreality on January 08, 2021, 07:01:03 PM
Going to break the Godwin rule.

Goering, Himmler, and the rest of that leadership cadre were notorious for doing exactly what Trump did. Especially in the early days, they would vaguely reference, I.e we’ll like them a little less, let the minions do whatever and then ignore the results, praise the minions etc.

Just listen to the Saturday Georgia call. 
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 09, 2021, 12:53:59 PM
They caught one guy with zip ties that was at the Capital and they are looking for the other one.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: icey on January 10, 2021, 05:05:14 AM
Going to break the Godwin rule.

Goering, Himmler, and the rest of that leadership cadre were notorious for doing exactly what Trump did. Especially in the early days, they would vaguely reference, I.e we’ll like them a little less, let the minions do whatever and then ignore the results, praise the minions etc.

Just listen to the Saturday Georgia call. 

Actually you didn’t break Godwin’s rule. Godwin himself made a special exception... for ex President Trump.

Quote

In December 2015, Godwin commented on the Nazi and fascist comparisons being made by several articles about Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, saying: "If you're thoughtful about it and show some real awareness of history, go ahead and refer to Hitler when you talk about Trump, or any other politician."[12] In August 2017, Godwin made similar remarks on social networking websites Facebook and Twitter with respect to the two previous days' Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, endorsing and encouraging comparisons of its alt-right organizers to Nazis.[13][14][15][16]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law#Generalization,_corollaries,_and_usage
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: icey on January 10, 2021, 05:11:44 AM
Double
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 12, 2021, 12:44:19 PM
@morekaos: Where were you last Wednesday? The po-po are coming. :)

160 arrests so far... will probably end up way higher.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 12, 2021, 11:09:05 PM


Rueters via Yahoo: Walmart, Disney suspend contributions to U.S. lawmakers who opposed Biden certification

Walmart Inc, the world's biggest retailer and Walt Disney Co joined other major companies in indefinitely suspending donations to U.S. lawmakers who voted against President-elect Joe Biden's election certification.

Disney, the entertainment company, said in a statement that in the "immediate aftermath of that appalling siege, members of Congress had an opportunity to unite — an opportunity that some sadly refused to embrace. In light of these events, we have decided we will not make political contributions in 2021 to lawmakers who voted to reject the certification of the Electoral College votes."

Other blue-chip companies including AT&T Inc, Amazon.com Inc and Mastercard Inc announced similar moves in the past several days.

General Motors Co said on Tuesday it had paused all political contributions after the Capitol events.

It joined other firms such as JPMorgan Chase & Co, Alphabet Inc's Google and Union Pacific Corp in withholding contributions from all members of Congress, rather than targeting those who opposed Biden's certification.

The announcements indicate that some corporate donors, which usually give money to Republicans and Democrats alike, are reassessing their strategy after supporters of outgoing Republican President Donald Trump attacked the Capitol last week, aiming to prevent Congress from certifying Biden's win. Five people died, including a police officer.

Before the assault on the seat of Congress, Trump urged supporters to march to the Capitol to protest the Nov. 3 election results, which he has falsely claimed were "rigged."

When lawmakers reconvened after the incident, 147 Republicans in the House of Representatives and Senate voted to challenge the Democratic president-elect’s victory in Pennsylvania or Arizona, even though both states already formally certified the results and election officials say there were no significant problems with the vote.

It is unclear whether the companies' decisions will have a lasting impact. The time period immediately after an election is typically a lull for fundraising activity.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/walmart-disney-suspend-contributions-u-210626390.html
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on January 12, 2021, 11:16:05 PM
It won’t. Virtue signaling and corporate FOMO. In a month it’ll be business as usual. The game goes on...
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 13, 2021, 07:23:43 AM
Bloomberg news: Deutsche Bank, Signature Cutting Ties With Trump After Riots

Deutsche Bank AG and Signature Bank, two of Donald Trump’s favored lenders, are pulling away from the billionaire president in the wake of last week’s deadly riot at the U.S. Capitol.

The German lender has decided not to conduct any further business with Trump and his company, said two people with knowledge of the matter, asking not to be identified because the deliberations were confidential. Trump owes the Frankfurt-based lender more than $300 million.

Signature Bank, the New York lender that’s long catered to his family, is closing two personal accounts in which Trump held about $5.3 million, a spokesperson for the firm said on Monday. It’s also calling for the president to step aside before his term officially ends on Jan. 20.

“We believe the appropriate action would be the resignation of the president of the United States, which is in the best interests of our nation and the American people,” the bank said in a separate statement on Monday.

The lenders are following social media outlets and other companies in suspending ties with the president after he encouraged attendees at a rally last week to march on the Capitol, where they stormed the building and interrupted the certification of the electoral college vote. At least five people died in the mayhem and its immediate aftermath.

“Yesterday was a dark day for America and our democracy,” Deutsche Bank Americas head Christiana Riley posted on LinkedIn a day after the riot. “We are proud of our Constitution and stand by those who seek to uphold it to ensure that the will of the people is upheld and a peaceful transition of power takes place.”

We have never before commented on any political matter and hope to never do so again,” Signature said in its statement. The bank will not do business in the future with any members of Congress who voted to disregard the electoral college, the spokesperson said.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-12/trump-s-long-favored-banks-pull-back-amid-fallout-from-d-c-riot



Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 13, 2021, 12:06:44 PM


And the plot thickens and gets interesting. People are now pointing fingers.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on January 13, 2021, 01:29:20 PM
I thought this whole "Senators and House Members objecting to the election results in" sounded familiar....

For your reading pleasure:

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/06/politics/electoral-college-vote-count-objections/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/06/politics/electoral-college-vote-count-objections/index.html)



 
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on January 13, 2021, 01:33:42 PM
Stop pointing out your antiquated facts....That happened many many days ago!! Things have changed!!...Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain... ;D ;D >:D

Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 13, 2021, 01:34:37 PM
I thought this whole "Senators and House Members objecting to the election results in" sounded familiar....

For your reading pleasure:

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/06/politics/electoral-college-vote-count-objections/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/06/politics/electoral-college-vote-count-objections/index.html)
 

Notice that Biden did his job and there were no domestic terrorist invaders. :)
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on January 13, 2021, 02:17:18 PM
Yes. I noticed it @Irvinehomeowner.  Moving from 2017 to 2021 we're told THIS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE!!! CHALLENGING THE ELECTION IS SEDITION!!! MEMBERS SHOULD BE PUSHED OUT OF THE SENATE AND HOUSE!!!! it's all politics, run through the prism of convenient memory-holing of the facts. Facts, as we know, are stubborn things.

A few Senators and many House Members are traitors to this nation (per the high clown priestess Pelosi) yet what happened a mere 3.75 years ago. Yes, there was an assault on the Capitol - after and during the challenge to this Election. These two issues have run parallel to each other - one is an armed insurrection, the other is reasoned debate being called sedition.

I don't seem to recall some of the 2017 election contenstors being shut out of fundraising, deplatformed on social media, or considered Anti-American. If you can find a similar hyper-reaction from the Right in 2017 I'd welcome the read all about it.

PS: Add this to the "Never happened before!!!" List:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_United_States_Senate_bombing


My .02c 
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 13, 2021, 02:19:24 PM
Nor did I @Irvinehomeowner.

When we're told THIS NEVER HAPPENED. CHALLENGING THE ELECTION IS SEDITION!!! MEMBERS SHOULD BE PUSHED OUT OF THE SENATE AND HOUSE!!!! it's all politics, run through the prism of convenient memory-holing of the facts.

A few Senators and many House Members are traitors to this nation (per the high clown priestess Pelosi) yet what happened a mere 3.75 years ago. Yes, there was an assault on the Capitol - after and during the challenge to this Election. These two issues have run parallel to each other - one is an armed insurrection, the other is reasoned debate being called sedition.

I don't seem to recall some of the 2017 election contenstors being shut out of fundraising, deplatformed on social media, or called a traitors. If you can find a similar hyper-reaction I'd welcome the read all about it.

My .02c 

The two cannot be compared. I know you are trying to make a parallel but it doesn't work... this is morekaos level equivalency.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on January 13, 2021, 02:24:24 PM
2017 - House members object to electors and election irregularities.
2021 - House and Senate members object to electors and election irregularities.

Now compare media treatment of House members in 2017 and House and Senate members in 2021.

@Irvinehomeowner, you are right in one respect - these two things cannot be compared. The backlash by the compliant media and political dolts today was nothing like it was in 2017.

The insurrection was one thing. The underlying approach by House and Senate members to the issue of election irregularities is another.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 13, 2021, 02:57:05 PM
Are you sure there wasn't backlash?

And again, different circumstances... based on the article, the Dems in 2017 did not formalize their objections correctly as Biden had requested... I'm assuming the Repubs did. And... the Repubs continued with their objection even after the insurrection at the Capitol. Had there been a similar terrorist act in 2017, the backlash would probably be the same.

Sorry, man, you really need to work on proving your points. I'm still waiting for all that voter fraud evidence from you.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on January 13, 2021, 03:29:49 PM
There is no level of voter fraud evidence that will ever meet the standards of the "Don't look at that...It doesn't fit the definition of fraud" crowd. If I have 1... it's not enough. If someone else posts 10.... it's not enough. If there was 1,000 examples, sorry... those goal lines have moved.

Here's one - while not mass individual voter fraud, it's mass vote fraud perpetrated by one person:

https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/ag-paxton-san-antonio-election-fraudster-arrested-widespread-vote-harvesting-and-fraud-0  (https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/ag-paxton-san-antonio-election-fraudster-arrested-widespread-vote-harvesting-and-fraud-0)

I am hoping the same thing that was done post 2000 election in Florida by independent journalists will be done post 2020 election. Everyone ranted and raved about how Bush stole Florida. Funny thing though is that after recount, recount, recount, and recount, the same result came through - by the very smallest of margins, Bush won Florida fair and square. Some non-partisan digging after things calm down a bit is warranted. I'm sure everyone can agree to that no matter your political bent.

You can still find people in 2021 swearing back and forth about Bush was never legitimately elected. In 2021 you can still find Hillary and company cursing up and down that she was cheated out of winning by them dang Rooskies. My guess is in 2041 you'll still hear Trumpers saying the election was stolen. 

Time will tell. It always does.

My .02c
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: inv0ke-epipen on January 13, 2021, 03:33:34 PM
Then again, no-one breached the capitol wearing “Gore” capes in 2001. Somehow I doubt any investigations that don’t confirm their conspiracy theories will be easily accepted by these folks. Trump himself really has the onus to defuse his fanatics.

The fervor in support of a man (instead of country, party, or an ideal) is a new factor in this round of shenanigans.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 13, 2021, 03:38:24 PM
Are you sure there wasn't backlash?

And again, different circumstances... based on the article, the Dems in 2017 did not formalize their objections correctly as Biden had requested... I'm assuming the Repubs did. And... the Repubs continued with their objection even after the insurrection at the Capitol. Had there been a similar terrorist act in 2017, the backlash would probably be the same.

Sorry, man, you really need to work on proving your points. I'm still waiting for all that voter fraud evidence from you.


Daily Beast: Kevin McCarthy Admits Trump ‘Bears Responsibility’ for Capitol Attack—but Still Won’t Vote to Impeach

Rep. Kevin McCarthy, the leader of the House Republicans, believes President Trump “bears responsibility” for the Jan. 6 riot in the U.S. Capitol—but still doesn’t support impeachment, he said during the impeachment debate Wednesday.

https://news.yahoo.com/kevin-mccarthy-admits-trump-bears-190912763.html

Kevin wants a commission? Come on everybody saw the result and heard Trump and co give the green light. There was no phone call, no third party account.

To give you the magnitude of the incident. It was reported there were Congress people from both parties fearful of their life due to the storm of the capital.

As I previously posted on another post. This event was planned and the planner allegedly said that 3 GOP congressman help planned the event. It was no picnic outside. They were not there to trade Pokémon cards or play Pokémon Go. They were there to disrupt the certification of the Biden Presidency.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 13, 2021, 03:40:42 PM
Then again, no-one breached the capitol wearing “Gore” capes in 2001. Somehow I doubt any investigations that don’t confirm their conspiracy theories will be easily accepted by these folks. Trump himself really has the onus to defuse his fanatics.

The fervor in support of a man (instead of country, party, or an ideal) is a new factor in this round of shenanigans.

Interesting you said that it was reported that Trump and McCarthy had a telephone conversation. Trump blamed it on Antifa. Kevin said it wasn’t that it was the MAGA crowd. Unbelievable!
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 13, 2021, 03:43:09 PM
There is no level of voter fraud evidence that will ever meet the standards of the "Don't look at that...It doesn't fit the definition of fraud" crowd. If I have 1... it's not enough. If someone else posts 10.... it's not enough. If there was 1,000 examples, sorry... those goal lines have moved.

Here's one - while not mass individual voter fraud, it's mass vote fraud perpetrated by one person:

https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/ag-paxton-san-antonio-election-fraudster-arrested-widespread-vote-harvesting-and-fraud-0  (https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/ag-paxton-san-antonio-election-fraudster-arrested-widespread-vote-harvesting-and-fraud-0)

I am hoping the same thing that was done post 2000 election in Florida by independent journalists will be done post 2020 election. Everyone ranted and raved about how Bush stole Florida. Funny thing though is that after recount, recount, recount, and recount, the same result came through - by the very smallest of margins, Bush won Florida fair and square. Some non-partisan digging after things calm down a bit is warranted. I'm sure everyone can agree to that no matter your political bent.

You can still find people in 2021 swearing back and forth about Bush was never legitimately elected. In 2021 you can still find Hillary and company cursing up and down that she was cheated out of winning by them dang Rooskies. My guess is in 2041 you'll still hear Trumpers saying the election was stolen. 

Time will tell. It always does.

My .02c
Nice deflection.

And your example is Texas? That wasn't even brought up in Congress.

Have you found an example that is of a significant margin in a battleground state? Because that's what is being contested by the Democrats. Obviously 1, 10 or 1000 isn't enough... but find 10,000 or 100,000 and then you can claim fraud.

It's just like that one *Democrat* REPUBLICAN who said they claim thousands of votes were fraud and he asked them to find 10 and they couldn't even produce 1.

And I'm not asking you about past elections... I'm asking about this specific one.

#ProveTheFraud

Edit: It was a Republican who said that "can't produce 1" speech in Congress which is more impactful. I forgot what his name was but he was initially against the ratification.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: nosuchreality on January 13, 2021, 04:12:01 PM
Just to recap, the problem is vote fraud.

The incompetent Dems managed to run such an effective vote fraud effort that they got 10s of thousands to a hundred thousand or more votes in each of at least four States and really many more. Because Trump really won in a landslide and they claim Biden won by 7 million votes 

They committed the steal so effectively that the Republican elected Secretary States &  Governors and his own appointed Judges in over 50 lawsuits and his own appointed Election security official said was legit and fair.

So clearly we need to go with the people booking the Four Seasons.
(https://images.mktw.net/im-256946?width=1260&size=1.5005861664712778)


Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 13, 2021, 04:17:54 PM
Just to recap, the problem is vote fraud.

The incompetent Dems managed to run such an effective vote fraud effort that they got 10s of thousands to a hundred thousand or more votes in each of at least four States and really many more. Because Trump really won in a landslide and Biden won by 7 million votes 

They committed the steal so effectively that the Republican elected Secretary States &  Governors and his own appointed Judges in over 50 lawsuits and his own appointed Election security official said was legit and fair.

So clearly we need to go with the people booking the Four Seasons.
(https://images.mktw.net/im-256946?width=1260&size=1.5005861664712778)

You should also put the photo of the hair dye dripping on his face.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on January 13, 2021, 05:31:35 PM
That Four Seasons piece was great. What a screw up! If MAGA Country can't laugh at that catastrophe, they are a humorless bunch indeed.

This Texas case wasn't brought up in Congress and there's a pretty good reason why it wasn't. Although the crime took place well before the election, the arrest was after the challenge to the electoral college and the subsequent riot. The RNC's time machines still aren't fully functioning, but once they are I'm sure we can fix this issue.

Just as all of these concrete examples of voter fraud were not convicted or exposed immediately, within time there will be additions to this list for 2020. Remember that proving fraud in a court of law (the apparent standard at this moment) can't be done in 75 days. Yes, Trump and Republican lawyers have lost their challenges. That doesn't mean fraud did not take place. It means in some cases the argument was poorly framed, or rejected for standing, and of course nonsensical filings.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud  (https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud)

Some may say Heritage is a partisan site, but so what? The info is rock solid and sourced independently.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 13, 2021, 05:54:20 PM
Daily Beast: Two Cops, Including a Trained Sniper, Arrested for Taking Part in Capitol Insurrection

Two Virginia police officers, including one who is an Army veteran and trained sniper, have been arrested after they allegedly took part in the Capitol riot—then boasted about it being legal on Facebook afterward.

Jacob Fracker and Thomas Robertson, both officers with the Rocky Mount Police Department, were charged on Wednesday with knowingly entering or remaining in a restricted building without lawful authority, and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, according to a criminal complaint obtained by The Daily Beast.

Prosecutors allege the two cops, who were off-duty when they traveled to D.C., were photographed inside the Capitol “making an obscene statement in front of a statue of John Stark.” The photo was then posted on social media—where Robertson defended their actions and said he was “fucking proud” because he was “willing to put skin in the game,” according to a criminal complaint.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/two-rocky-mount-virginia-cops-arrested-for-taking-part-in-capitol-insurrection?ref=home

Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: nosuchreality on January 14, 2021, 07:38:55 AM
The Heritage has been slipping for years.  The database is an excellent example straight out of the old 90s "All I Really Need to Know about Business I Learned at Microsoft".  Chapter 3, buffalo them with detail. 

Step 1 sort for year, 15 in 2020.  Two thirds of those are California and most of those are that ballot proposition signature one. 

The Arizona case is a case from 2016, case of a guy voting twice.  One guy, two votes.  One extra vote.

New Mexico, an actual case of voter fraud and a Mayor stealing the election. Fake signatures, fake votes. The case is really from a city council run, when he won 238 votes to 236 votes.

The Louisana case, a single poll assistant found guilty of not marking a ballot as instructed.

Virginia, a GOP staffer signing faked petition forms to put a sinker candidate on the ballot to sabotage the Dem candidate.

Wisconsin, 2018 a single person ineligible to vote, voted. 1 person.

West Virginia, the Utah residing Daughter of a local candiate illegally voted.  Her father won 91 to 77. Again a single vote.

From there the cases go back 40 years. Most are little stuff, like a single voter casting a ballot when ineligle.

What the Heritage site shows clearly is that our system works. 

Meanwhile Trump and supporters have lost over 50 cases.  Most dismissed as frivolous or without merit. Many by Trump appointed Judges or State Republican leaning courts.  Not to mention, Trump's own lawyer admitting court that the case wasn't about fraud but some minor detail in procedures that was set months prior to the election.


That Four Seasons piece was great. What a screw up! If MAGA Country can't laugh at that catastrophe, they are a humorless bunch indeed.

This Texas case wasn't brought up in Congress and there's a pretty good reason why it wasn't. Although the crime took place well before the election, the arrest was after the challenge to the electoral college and the subsequent riot. The RNC's time machines still aren't fully functioning, but once they are I'm sure we can fix this issue.

Just as all of these concrete examples of voter fraud were not convicted or exposed immediately, within time there will be additions to this list for 2020. Remember that proving fraud in a court of law (the apparent standard at this moment) can't be done in 75 days. Yes, Trump and Republican lawyers have lost their challenges. That doesn't mean fraud did not take place. It means in some cases the argument was poorly framed, or rejected for standing, and of course nonsensical filings.
 
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud  (https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud)

Some may say Heritage is a partisan site, but so what? The info is rock solid and sourced independently.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: irvinehomeowner on January 14, 2021, 08:50:00 AM
It seems like there just isn't evidence for any significant fraud in this election... so I'm not sure why SGIP (and many others) won't admit that.

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/033/536/ren.jpg)
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on January 14, 2021, 09:03:21 AM
It seems like there just isn't evidence for any significant fraud in this election... so I'm not sure why SGIP (and many others) won't admit that.

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/033/536/ren.jpg)

Strangely apropos... ;D >:D

Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: zubs on January 14, 2021, 09:37:10 AM
In 2018, there was a blue wave, and katie porter won.
In 2020, there was a blue wave, and now Dems won the senate and presidency. Majority leader Chuck Schumer.

When you push one side too hard, the other side will push back.  The force will bring everything back into balance.
Trump pushed too hard & lost...we'll see how hard Biden pushes.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 14, 2021, 10:07:23 AM
Huffpost:Report: 'Isolated And Angry' Trump Refuses To Pay Rudy Giuliani For Legal Work


The Washington Post said Trump is trying to stiff Giuliani, who has spent the past months traveling the country and spreading wild conspiracy theories about the November election on behalf of the president.

Citing two unnamed officials, the newspaper said Trump has not only refused to pay Giuliani’s legal fees but has told aides that all reimbursement requests for travel and other expenses need to go through him.

The Post said Trump was unhappy with Giuliani’s demand for $20,000 a day in fees and “has privately expressed concern” with some of his attorney’s moves.

The former mayor last year denied seeking that specific amount, claiming a much more unusual fee structure instead.

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-wont-pay-rudy-giuliani-election-legal-work-032513094.html

I thought I was cheap or looking for a deal.
But man not paying the guy is really low. Lol



Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on January 14, 2021, 10:12:15 AM
Don't believe it... :D >:D

"Citing two unnamed official...."
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on January 14, 2021, 10:28:38 AM
The blue wave crashed in 2020 leading to losses in the House. The Senate was tight to begin with 52/48 now 50/50 - hardly what one could call a wave or a mandate.

2018 had immense ballot harvesting done to "flip" house seats. You also had terrible campaigning done by R's in OC during 2018. 2020 however lead to D losses here in OC. Can't call that a "win" or a "wave" unless it's a wave goodbye!  Yes, IMHO Ballot Harvesting creates a wide opportunity for fraud to occur. It should be banned. Same thing for non-requested mass mail out balloting. I'm fine with requested mail in, but sending out ballots to everyone on a terribly outdated mailing list of voter registrations? That's hardly a bright idea.

Why do I not let this go? Article 1, Section 4 in the US Constitution was violated, throwing open the door to potential fraud. Moving dates for ballots to arrive, "curing" ballots - a legal, but highly questionable practice is also an opportunity for fraud. Has "2020 election changing fraud" been proven? The best answer I can give is "Not yet" although I recognize it might be "Not ever", but time and investigations will tell.  As noted earlier, 1 proof of fraud (Texas) and other proofs of prior voter fraud (Heritage link) are dismissed, ad nauseum but still indicate that vote fraud exists. One can't reasonably say that the 1 person arrested in Texas is the absolute only person in the State doing this kind of stuff. A claim like that - if made - defies credibility.

Proof and conviction of fraud cannot be accomplished in 75+ days between election and inauguration. Anyone thinking it could be is woefully uninformed. That goes for the Right and the Left when discussing election fraud. Using Kennedy/Nixon as a blueprint, it was a year later when fraud was confirmed - not enough to change the election, but significant fraud none the less - but by that time it was a "ho-hum" issue.

Let the investigations continue and we'll revisit this some time in the future.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 14, 2021, 11:02:23 AM
Navarro: Democrats ‘Did Violence’ in Impeaching Trump for Inciting Violent Mob

https://www.thedailybeast.com/peter-navarro-says-democrats-did-violence-in-impeaching-trump-for-inciting-violent-mob?ref=home

Someone tell Peter that the election and challenge is over. Lol
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: nosuchreality on January 14, 2021, 11:34:06 AM
In 2018, there was a blue wave, and katie porter won.
In 2020, there was a blue wave, and now Dems won the senate and presidency. Majority leader Chuck Schumer.

When you push one side too hard, the other side will push back.  The force will bring everything back into balance.
Trump pushed too hard & lost...we'll see how hard Biden pushes.

While the Dems have gain somewhat in 2018 and 2020, I consider the wave to actually have been very Red. 

Since 2008 and tea party has really shifted the Republicans you are seeing at the State and Federal levels.  Boebert in Colorado is a good example.  She replaced Tipton, a run of the mill Republican from 2010 that steadily shifted supporting Trump further and further, but it still wasn't enough to defeat the more radicalized Q-anon spouting gun rightest Boebert.

Locally, while we see notable Dem gains, the same shift has happened.  When you look at McClintock, Moorlach (even though he lost to Min), Steel and then down to the Orange County level positions, they have steadily gotten more hardened, more extreme in anti-government sentiments.

As a moderate Republican, the party today, locally, nationally, is far more extreme in anti- mindset and operation than 10 years ago.  Hawley of Missouri is a good example of a bizarre persecuted theocratic type view of entitlement that has taken hold.

Many of the Republicans today are the kind of people they are afraid AoC, Omar and squad are.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on January 14, 2021, 12:29:32 PM
I agree. this is not a two party system any more...it is, in essences a four party system.  The traditional centrist Republican and Democrats and now the Extreme Republican and Democrat.  All four sides shift within the gray but all four are now very distinct.  Knesset here we come!!
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: zubs on January 15, 2021, 10:33:18 AM
When Bannon doesn't want to get in on the crazy, u know u've gone off the deep end.

This was a quote taken from Bannon's pod cast with Giuliani regarding election fraud.


Quote
“I don’t mind being shut down for my craziness,” Bannon told Giuliani, according to Alexander Panetta, a reporter for CBC News who listened to the podcast before it was removed. “I’m not going to be shut down for yours.”



Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: HMart on January 15, 2021, 11:57:23 AM
While the Dems have gain somewhat in 2018 and 2020, I consider the wave to actually have been very Red. 

Since 2008 and tea party has really shifted the Republicans you are seeing at the State and Federal levels.  Boebert in Colorado is a good example.  She replaced Tipton, a run of the mill Republican from 2010 that steadily shifted supporting Trump further and further, but it still wasn't enough to defeat the more radicalized Q-anon spouting gun rightest Boebert.

Locally, while we see notable Dem gains, the same shift has happened.  When you look at McClintock, Moorlach (even though he lost to Min), Steel and then down to the Orange County level positions, they have steadily gotten more hardened, more extreme in anti-government sentiments.

As a moderate Republican, the party today, locally, nationally, is far more extreme in anti- mindset and operation than 10 years ago.  Hawley of Missouri is a good example of a bizarre persecuted theocratic type view of entitlement that has taken hold.

Many of the Republicans today are the kind of people they are afraid AoC, Omar and squad are.

I agree that the Republican party has gone far right. I don't feel welcome in the Republican party as a pro-immigration, pro-free trade, and pro-science person. And the embrace of the Trump brand of populism and lies has made it toxic to me.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on January 15, 2021, 03:05:10 PM
Michael Rampart - rage about the capital siege. (I love it, this guy is so funny.)
So apparently one of the person that was arrested requested organic food? Lol
Michael said - your not at Whole Foods, your not at (bleep) Trader Joe’s, your not at the carrot juice spot. You are in jail m (bleep)! What did you expect a kale salad?
Haha omg this guy is so funny!

Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on February 18, 2021, 01:01:48 PM
Cruz confirms his Mexican vacation after storm slammed Texas

DALLAS (AP) — Texas Sen. Ted Cruz acknowledged on Thursday that he had traveled to Mexico for a family vacation this week, leaving his home state as thousands of constituents struggled without power or safe drinking water after a powerful winter storm.

https://apnews.com/article/ted-cruz-mexico-vacation-amid-storm-b0cdc326db95bf25d93de9e877e05862

So Ted Cruz went to Cancun when the state he represents does not have power and after a powerful winter storm. Unbelievable!
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: Kenkoko on February 18, 2021, 10:36:54 PM
So Ted Cruz went to Cancun when the state he represents does not have power and after a powerful winter storm. Unbelievable!

Isn't it heartbreaking when one Texas resident had to travel over 1700 miles to find heat, water, and electricity?  ;D
Title: Cancun Cruz
Post by: eyephone on February 19, 2021, 09:54:29 AM
So Ted Cruz went to Cancun when the state he represents does not have power and after a powerful winter storm. Unbelievable!

Isn't it heartbreaking when one Texas resident had to travel over 1700 miles to find heat, water, and electricity?  ;D

My comment:
Because of the unwanted backlash. US Senator Ted Cruz has left Mexico to the US.

Independent Article:
I was trying to be a dad’: Ted Cruz jeered by protesters on return to Texas as he admits Mexico trip was ‘obvious mistake

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ted-cruz-mistake-mexico-vacation-b1804423.html

Trending on Internet and Twitter: Cancun Cruz
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: Cares on February 19, 2021, 11:11:12 AM
Things don't add up with this Cruz thing. He claims he went just to "drop off" his kid in Cancun. Look at the bag he packed, it was a 2-3 week luggage with the extender open!

Also isn't it funny how when he was leaving he was wearing discrete clothing and a black unrecognizable mask? Coming back after being called out he's wearing this Texas flag mask showing how proud he is to be a Texan.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: zubs on February 19, 2021, 12:08:31 PM
Cruz already said he was gonna stay in Cancun for the weekend, but came back because of backlash.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: Cares on February 19, 2021, 12:27:07 PM
Cruz already said he was gonna stay in Cancun for the weekend, but came back because of backlash.

His original quote was:

"With school canceled for the week, our girls asked to take a trip with friends. Wanting to be a good dad, I flew down with them last night and am flying back this afternoon."

That does not seem like he's staying for the weekend.

Only did he later speak on Hannity did he say:

"I had initially planned to stay through the weekend and to work remotely there, but as I -- as I was heading down there, you know, I started to have second thoughts almost immediately because the crisis here in Texas, you need to be here on the ground."

Changing his story.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: zubs on February 19, 2021, 12:53:48 PM
That first statement is all true.
No lies.
You gotta do that kind of side speak when you are a politician. 
Title: The dog was left behind in the freezing cold in Texas
Post by: eyephone on February 19, 2021, 01:19:53 PM
Cruz already said he was gonna stay in Cancun for the weekend, but came back because of backlash.

His original quote was:

"With school canceled for the week, our girls asked to take a trip with friends. Wanting to be a good dad, I flew down with them last night and am flying back this afternoon."

That does not seem like he's staying for the weekend.

Only did he later speak on Hannity did he say:

"I had initially planned to stay through the weekend and to work remotely there, but as I -- as I was heading down there, you know, I started to have second thoughts almost immediately because the crisis here in Texas, you need to be here on the ground."

Changing his story.

People Want Justice For Snowflake, Ted Cruz's Dog Who Did Not Go To Cancun

The senator left the dog, reportedly a poodle, in his cold Texas house while he flew to Mexico.

People were already incensed over Sen. Ted Cruz’s jaunt to Cancun while Texans battled catastrophically cold weather that caused massive power and water outages. But a photo of his dog, alone, staring out the door of the Republican senator’s house might be the icing on the cake.

The dog, a small white canine named Snowflake, was not totally abandoned, Hardy clarified in later tweets, as well as in a report for New York magazine. The dog was put under the care of Cruz have security guard, who was parked outside the home in an SUV when Hardy took the photo. (Hardy also said it’s not confirmed whether Snowflake is actually a poodle.)

Of course, no one is expected to bring their pet with them whenever they go on vacation. Depending on the animal and the type of trip, in many cases it’s preferable to leave pets behind with a trusted caretaker rather than have them undergo the stress of travel. But in this case, the idea of Snowflake stuck in a dark, FREEZING house while the rest of the family jetted off on an ill-conceived, last-minute vacation just seemed callous, if not potentially dangerous.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_602fe4e6c5b67c32961d3a03

And the plot thickens! The dog was left behind in the cold house while the family was in sunny Cancun.

Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on February 19, 2021, 04:44:03 PM
He doesn’t have to run for four more years, by that time no one‘s even going to remember this. Now Newsom, that’s another story.... ;D ;) >:D
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on February 19, 2021, 07:08:28 PM
He doesn%u2019t have to run for four more years, by that time no one%u2018s even going to remember this. Now Newsom, that%u2019s another story.... ;D ;) >:D

Newsom has nothing to do with Cancun Cruz.
Running out the clock is a losing strategy. That is how they loss the House and Senate. Instead of dealing with the problem. They think people would forget.
News flash: people do not forget. I still hear people bringing up 9/11.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: nosuchreality on February 19, 2021, 08:38:43 PM
Quote
"With school canceled for the week, our girls asked to take a trip with friends. Wanting to be a good dad, I flew down with them last night and am flying back this afternoon."

I realize I'm an old fogey and a pauper relative to Trumpian senator grift intake but aren't his daughters 10 and 12 years old?

The older one is 7th grade, I suppose with school and virtually everything being cancelled for a weather disaster in Houston, the natural tween response is I want to go to Cancun with some friends.  Ofcourse the natural Dad response is 'let's go!'
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on February 19, 2021, 08:57:41 PM
If it was a governor that’s  a big deal...a local congressman.. maybe..but a senator... he really has no effect...he’s an legislator not an administrator... bad optics but little else...I would have run for the door too..Pay closer attention to the Governor to the north who actually killed people and lied about it, that really effects people!  Heading out to Florida tomorrow for a bit of r and r in an open state..see ya next week!!
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: eyephone on February 19, 2021, 09:08:24 PM
If it was a governor that’s  a big deal...a local congressman.. maybe..but a senator... he really has no effect...he’s an legislator not an administrator... bad optics but little else...I would have run for the door too..Pay closer attention to the Governor to the north who actually killed people and lied about it, that really effects people!  Heading out to Florida tomorrow for a bit of r and r in an open state..see ya next week!!

Nothing to brag about. The no mask required state.
Some people say the numbers were or are under reported over there.

Remember the rumor that insurance carriers might charge more if you previous got covid.
Due to the super high cost of the long term effect. I am so cheap, I will avoid covid.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on February 19, 2021, 09:47:07 PM
If it was a governor that’s  a big deal...a local congressman.. maybe..but a senator... he really has no effect...he’s an legislator not an administrator... bad optics but little else...I would have run for the door too..Pay closer attention to the Governor to the north who actually killed people and lied about it, that really effects people!  Heading out to Florida tomorrow for a bit of r and r in an open state..see ya next week!!

Nothing to brag about. The no mask required state.
Some people say the numbers were or are under reported over there.

Remember the rumor that insurance carriers might charge more if you previous got covid.
Due to the super high cost of the long term effect. I am so cheap, I will avoid covid.

Speechless.... ;D >:D

Moment Biden COVID adviser is UNABLE to explain why lockdown-loving California isn't doing better than open-all-hours Florida

Andy Slavitt appeared stumped on MSNBC on Wednesday when asked to explain
His comments come as a new study from The New York Times shows that about 512,000 more people have died since March than would have in a normal year
California Gov. Gavin Newsom, a Democrat, has put some of the strictest measures in place to combat the coronavirus pandemic
Florida's Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis has done nearly the opposite
But the states' rates of infection for coronavirus are similar - right around 8.5%

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9272929/Biden-COVID-adviser-explain-closed-California-isnt-doing-better-open-Florida.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9272929/Biden-COVID-adviser-explain-closed-California-isnt-doing-better-open-Florida.html)
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: nosuchreality on February 19, 2021, 10:22:48 PM
If it was a governor that’s  a big deal...a local congressman.. maybe..but a senator... he really has no effect...he’s an legislator not an administrator... bad optics but little else...I would have run for the door too..Pay closer attention to the Governor to the north who actually killed people and lied about it, that really effects people!  Heading out to Florida tomorrow for a bit of r and r in an open state..see ya next week!!

Lol, parroting Trump junior.
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on February 19, 2021, 10:40:18 PM
Never knew he commented but I do agree...
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on June 10, 2021, 01:10:45 PM
Starting to regret past decisions...watch the excuse groundwork being laid for the eventual decimation of their "majorities" in the next election..As I warned, when Smith took over there will be a day of reckoning..

Now Nancy Pelosi and Democratic leadership condemn llhan Omar for comparing US and Israel with Hamas and the Taliban after she insists her words have been taken out of context
Omar compared the US and Israel to terrorist organizations in provocative tweet
Democrats have denounced her 'outrageous and clearly false statements'
On Thursday, she accused them of using offensive Islamophobic themes
Her office said the result had been a surge in death threats
Other members of the so-called 'squad' of progressive Democrats Rashida Tlaib and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez leapt to her defense
A day earlier Jewish Democrats met to discuss how to respond to her comments
Brad Sherman said the real insight was Omar admitting atrocities by Hamas
New York Republican Rep. Lee Zeldin said Omar should be removed from the Foreign Affairs Committee

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9673019/Ilhan-Omar-accuses-Democratic-colleagues-Islamophobia-criticizing-condemnation-US.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9673019/Ilhan-Omar-accuses-Democratic-colleagues-Islamophobia-criticizing-condemnation-US.html)

Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on June 11, 2021, 08:50:40 AM
Open war is upon you...whether you would risk it or not...

The Squad goes to war with Nancy over Ilhan Omar: Rashida Tlaib says 'freedom of speech doesn't exist for Muslim women in Congress' after Pelosi urged Rep. to 'clarify' comments comparing US and Israel to terrorists


Rep. Rashida Tlaib blasted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Democratic leadership for a statement they put out Thursday about Rep. Ilhan Omar
'Freedom of speech doesn't exist for Muslim women in Congress. The benefit of the doubt doesn't exist for Muslim women in Congress,' Tlaib tweeted
Pelosi and top Democrats said Omar was fomenting 'prejudice' by drawing false equivalence between democracies like Israel and terrorist groups like Hamas
Beyond support from her fellow 'Squad' member, the Congressional Progressive Caucus also came out in defense of Omar
'We cannot ignore a right-wing media echo chamber that has deliberately and routinely attacked a Black, Muslim woman in Congress,' a statement said
Omar accused her critics within the Democratic Party of whipping up 'Islamic hate against her'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9676591/Rashida-Tlaib-says-freedom-speech-doesnt-exist-Muslim-women-Congress.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9676591/Rashida-Tlaib-says-freedom-speech-doesnt-exist-Muslim-women-Congress.html)

Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on July 16, 2021, 10:27:28 AM
I love her so.....

AOC vows progressives will 'tank' bipartisan infrastructure bill unless their trillion dollar plan for free pre-K, climate change and paid family leave is passed
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez vowed liberals would 'tank' the bipartisan infrastructure bill should they not get their priorities
She and her allies want a second piece of legislation that contains funding for their priorities, including free pre-K and climate change
'We will tank the bipartisan infrastructure bill unless we will also pass the reconciliation bill,' she said during a virtual town hall
Ocasio-Cortez has the numbers to back her up
Given tight Dem majority in House, Speaker Pelosi can only lose four votes

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9795629/AOC-vows-liberals-tank-bipartisan-infrastructure-bill-without-priorities.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9795629/AOC-vows-liberals-tank-bipartisan-infrastructure-bill-without-priorities.html)

AOC finally breaks her silence on Cuba unrest as she blames America's 'absurdly cruel' embargoes – and blasts President Biden for defending the 'Trump-era restrictions'
Democratic socialist voices including Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York have so far remained silent on the issue of Cuba as protests take place on the island
Cubans facing the country's worst economic crisis in decades took to the streets to protest over the weekend
Cuban authorities have blocked sites and apps including Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram and Telegram
In Miami, demonstrations also took place with Cuban dissidents asking the U.S. to intervene on the island
Human rights organizations say they supporting young protesters and want the U.S. to intervene militarily
On Thursday, Biden called communism a 'failed system' and said 'I don't see socialism as a very useful substitute'
He also suggested the US may intervene to help restore internet access following blackouts believed to be sparked by the regime 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9794649/AOC-finally-breaks-silence-Cuba-unrest-blames-Americas-absurdly-cruel-embargoes.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9794649/AOC-finally-breaks-silence-Cuba-unrest-blames-Americas-absurdly-cruel-embargoes.html)
Title: Re: Congress Elections
Post by: morekaos on July 20, 2021, 09:59:50 AM
"Fate is seems is not without a sense of irony"...and comedy.


SUPER SPREADER: Pelosi Aide, White House Official Who Welcomed Texas Democrats to Capitol Test Positive For Covid-19

Six of them have now tested positive for Covid.

The obvious stunt by Texas Democrats has turned into quite the super spreader because now a Pelosi aide and a White House official (both vaccinated) have tested positive for the China virus.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Pelosi-aide-tests-positive-for-COVID-after-16326573.php (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Pelosi-aide-tests-positive-for-COVID-after-16326573.php)

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