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Title: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 30, 2020, 09:34:42 AM
I see more people out wearing masks than not wearing them and my paranoia has me thinking that I should too.

I know that it's not totally effective in preventing breathing in viruses but just like washing hands, it helps.

Is there anywhere local in Irvine to get any? I'm not looking for the N95 ones that should be reserved for the medical professionals who need them to work in close contact with patients, just something that can cover my nose and ears with while risking my life at Costco. :)

I was thinking about those scarf/bandanas like this to also make people keep their distance:

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81Ks2SwP1HL._AC_UL320_ML3_.jpg)

Does anyone else want to admit wearing a mask when they go out? It's like Mortal Kombat out there. :)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 30, 2020, 10:34:12 PM
There are conflicting guidance about to wear or not to wear masks when out and about.

I think bank-robberies will be on the rise as a result, first law enforcement becomes accustom and not alarm when masks men/women walk around. And its easy to disguise and quickly change to a different mask after the act, easier get away.

Second, with the disorderly society and high unemployments may push people over the edge of doing unthinkable things to survive.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Irvinehomeseeker on March 31, 2020, 07:12:50 AM
On CNN today, it was mentioned by Dr Fauci that CDC is looking into recommending masks for general population. Currently, no stores have basic masks .... So bandanas  are the only option now.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: lnc on March 31, 2020, 07:41:05 AM
They should recommend wearing mask from the beginning.

I understand the basic surgical mask does not prevent one from getting infected but it does cutting down the spread from person to person. 

One of factors that China, Korea get the spread of COVID-19 under control probably due to the fact that everyone is wearing masks.  I would feel a whole lot safer if everyone around me at Costco was wearing a surgical mask.

But we have to solve mask shortage issue first.

Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: qwerty on March 31, 2020, 08:59:15 AM
If nothing else any type of mask prevents you from touching you mouth and nose which would be of some help.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 31, 2020, 09:07:45 AM
If nothing else any type of mask prevents you from touching you mouth and nose which would be of some help.

Yep. I bought some clothe masks off of Amazon just for some small level of protection.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: lnc on April 01, 2020, 09:09:18 AM
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Asia may have been right about coronavirus and face masks, and the rest of the world is coming around

In the coming weeks, if they have not already, your government is likely to begin advising you to wear a face mask to protect against coronavirus.

For those living in Asia, such announcements will be a vindication of a tactic that has been adopted across much of the region since the beginning of the crisis and appears to have been borne out by lower rates of infection and faster containment of outbreaks.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/asia/coronavirus-mask-messaging-intl-hnk/index.html
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Kenkoko on April 01, 2020, 09:55:06 AM
Amazon is now selling N95 mask at cost.

They are currently prioritized for hospitals and government organizations. But do what you have to do, no judgement.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002YKBV2

Bare in mind this is the 8000 series, normally for construction workers. But it's still tremendously helpful.

Price is 10 pack for $13.99
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: qwerty on April 01, 2020, 10:04:06 AM
Amazon is now selling N95 mask at cost.

They are currently prioritized for hospitals and government organizations. But do what you have to do, no judgement.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002YKBV2

Bare in mind this is the 8000 series, normally for construction workers. But it's still tremendously helpful.

Price is 10 pack for $13.99

I tried ordering some gloves for my in-laws yesterday that were prioritized for healthcare professionals and while I was able to add them to the cart when I tried to checkout it wouldn’t let me. It said to call my account administrator. I didn’t call
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Kenkoko on April 01, 2020, 10:17:31 AM
Ya, this was shared to me by a friend who's a home health caretaker, taking care of elderly.

She had to call and explain her situation. They allowed her to buy.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: iacrenter on April 01, 2020, 10:48:57 AM
Please reserve N95 for healthcare workers. If you already have some, consider donating them to a hospital. Even in the hospital, regular surgical masks are acceptable for non-respiratory patients. A regular mask will be fine while buying food at the grocery store.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 01, 2020, 11:41:19 AM
I bought something like these:

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B086L5VPQB/

I know they don't offer much protection but at least if I'm infected I cut down on infecting others and there may be a requirement to wear some type of mask/bandanna in public soon (and I'm not using N95s that a healthcare worker needs).

Plus I want to look like Sub-Zero... "Finish him!!!"
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Kenkoko on April 01, 2020, 12:19:29 PM
Please reserve N95 for healthcare workers. If you already have some, consider donating them to a hospital. Even in the hospital, regular surgical masks are acceptable for non-respiratory patients. A regular mask will be fine while buying food at the grocery store.

I agree but I think there's room for exception and discretion.

First, these are the 8000 series for construction workers not the 1800 series that are for healthcare workers (fluid resistant)

Also If you are the caretaker of elderly people or is in constant exposure due to your job, it's not a terrible idea to buy a small amount. Just clean and re-use them.

This is just my opinion and I think Amazon agrees, which is why they allow you (non hospital or government worker) to make your case why you need them.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Kenkoko on April 01, 2020, 12:25:31 PM
I bought something like these:

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B086L5VPQB/

I know they don't offer much protection but at least if I'm infected I cut down on infecting others and there may be a requirement to wear some type of mask/bandanna in public soon (and I'm not using N95s that a healthcare worker needs).

Plus I want to look like Sub-Zero... "Finish him!!!"

They offer good protection.

https://medium.com/@Cancerwarrior/covid-19-why-we-should-all-wear-masks-there-is-new-scientific-rationale-280e08ceee71

Plus they look kinda badass!
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 01, 2020, 05:29:50 PM
LA county recommends non medical face coverings when in public.

All of Cali will probably follow.

My Amazon arrived today a day early.

I’m one big scary ninja.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: PSForever on April 02, 2020, 05:59:05 AM
What Are The Best Materials for Making DIY Masks?

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: lnc on April 02, 2020, 07:50:35 AM
LA county recommends non medical face coverings when in public.

All of Cali will probably follow.

My Amazon arrived today a day early.

I’m one big scary ninja.

Maybe it's time to dig out those Halloween masks and dress up as your favorite characters.  :)

More and more cities probably will follow what Laredo, Texas is doing.  Laredo will be requiring every resident older than 5 years old to wear some sort of mask when going out in public. That includes when going to the store or even pumping gas.  If people are caught not covering their nose and mouth, they face a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of up to $1,000 in Laredo.

https://abc7.com/health/$1k-fine-to-residents-caught-without-mask-in-texas-city/6070888/

Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 02, 2020, 09:07:48 AM
They offer good protection.

https://medium.com/@Cancerwarrior/covid-19-why-we-should-all-wear-masks-there-is-new-scientific-rationale-280e08ceee71

This is a great article.

What caught my eye is this image:

(https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*m_a-cX7BpzAOg5YpyDa_ZA.png)

Seems like 6 feet (over 1.5m) of separation is not enough if someone sneezes. Safest is 20 feet (6m) or more, which is why masks help.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Happiness on April 02, 2020, 10:21:11 AM
Here's the Amazon Choice for plague mask:

https://www.amazon.com/PartyCostume-Plague-Steampunk-Halloween-Costume/dp/B07CG2VH6N/ref=sr_1_18_sspa?crid=2THW9GRZ8BUES&dchild=1&keywords=guy+fawkes&qid=1585847968&sprefix=guy+f%2Cfashion%2C269&sr=8-18-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFNTUI0T0tPREFFOFImZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTAxMzI4MzMxM1lJUlBWQklLTkpMJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTAwMjkwNDExVEwyVVZUVVlLVU9UJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfbXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: akkord on April 02, 2020, 12:09:08 PM
KN95's are more readily available than N95s where there is a shortage...for mask experts are the KN95s good enough for the general public since they can't use them in hospitals even as donations?
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 02, 2020, 03:54:22 PM
Looks like OC is following state recommendation for face coverings:

https://cms.ocgov.com/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?BlobID=114753

Go ninja go ninja go!*

*Name that tune. :)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Innosint on April 02, 2020, 08:50:42 PM
Looks like OC is following state recommendation for face coverings:

https://cms.ocgov.com/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?BlobID=114753

Go ninja go ninja go!*

*Name that tune. :)

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/d9/5c/aa/d95caaf05f60274c2f76f05788ee0fee.jpg)

As home depot and Amazon stopped selling N95 mask to the public, I think it's going to be difficult to common folks to get them.

A cloth face mask is not as effective.. (really aren't) but it will prevent you from touching your nose and mouth publically.

I had a few extra respirators from my model making hobby, but that's also pretty hard to get now.

Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on April 02, 2020, 09:04:02 PM
The girl that I'm dating goes to raves so she has a few rave masks and she gave me the most subtle basic one she has.  haha
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: PSForever on April 03, 2020, 04:54:11 PM
"Demonstration (in Spanish) of masks that don’t work and work. The last two are a surgical mask and an N95."

https://twitter.com/AdolfoEdgar1980/status/1246219864945156096
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: akkord on April 03, 2020, 05:13:14 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/health/coronavirus-n95-kn95-masks.html

KN95s are now good to go.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: iacrenter on April 04, 2020, 01:01:53 AM
C.D.C. Recommends Wearing Masks

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/world/coronavirus-news.html


CITY OF IRVINE TO FOLLOW CALIFORNIA STATE GUIDELINES REGARDING FACE COVERINGS

http://www.irvinechambereconomicdevelopment.com/news/p/item/25347/city-of-irvine-to-follow-california-state-guidelines-regarding-face-coverings
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: paydawg on April 07, 2020, 06:21:52 PM
what's an appropriate filter to put into a cloth face mask?  I've seen some people recommend coffee filter, but that can't possibly provide the proper protection, right?
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Kenkoko on April 07, 2020, 07:11:53 PM
what's an appropriate filter to put into a cloth face mask?  I've seen some people recommend coffee filter, but that can't possibly provide the proper protection, right?

I think it's more important to make them comfortable so you won't feel the urge to adjust them (touch your face)

Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: PSForever on April 11, 2020, 05:43:18 AM

"The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, ... compared with the medical mask arm. ...Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%."

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

At least the cloth mask will help prevent you from touching your face.  Wonder how a cloth mask with a PM2.5 filter would help, like these: https://debriefme.com/products/black-n95?variant=14626365833258
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 11, 2020, 08:03:12 AM

"The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, ... compared with the medical mask arm. ...Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%."

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

At least the cloth mask will help prevent you from touching your face.  Wonder how a cloth mask with a PM2.5 filter would help, like these: https://debriefme.com/products/black-n95?variant=14626365833258

In a high exposure setting for healthcare workers that the article used, I would assume cloth masks are less effective.

But for public use combined with social distancing, I would hope cloth masks help more than hurt.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: qwerty on April 11, 2020, 09:12:46 AM
I think the issue with a lot of the masks is that people just put their hands all over it and don’t really know the concept of cross-contamination. I was leaving Ralph’s the other day and some guy was walking in getting ready to put on his surgeons mask.

He head handling both sides of the mask as if he had just washed his hands. So whatever he had on his hands got transferred to the inside of his mask and put right on his nose/mouth. With that said, that is from the perspective of infecting yourself, but it would help trap any particles from a sneeze, cough, breathing.  So still some benefit
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: PSForever on April 11, 2020, 07:02:41 PM
This looks like a video from Mexico.  Guy testing a few types of masks with some type of an aerosol spray can:
https://twitter.com/Alademosk/status/1246604891197505536

Here's another one, but this time with 3 layers of fabric:
https://twitter.com/SIENACobertores/status/1248734372468932609
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Kenkoko on April 12, 2020, 08:28:12 PM
Here's where you can buy 1 box of 50 surgical masks.

https://www.evike.com/products/20011/?fbclid=IwAR03bc_XgfQH-lAyRqUzrOhJqDQeSD-mwtH5askm8wK1z4InsJ_-QvkJCr8

Please only buy if you need them. They set the limit to 1 box per customer.

Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on April 13, 2020, 06:47:24 PM
Picked up a box last night.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 14, 2020, 04:58:25 PM
Saw this on NextDoor:

This is a local Tustin company that can ship in 24 hours:

https://www.bluebeatsales.com/product-category/health-care/

A little more pricey on the blue surgical masks that Ken posted but they have some of the more protective KN95 ones (please don't over order).
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on April 14, 2020, 09:58:58 PM
Saw this on NextDoor:

This is a local Tustin company that can ship in 24 hours:

https://www.bluebeatsales.com/product-category/health-care/

A little more pricey on the blue surgical masks that Ken posted but they have some of the more protective KN95 ones (please don't over order).

Thanks IHO, I picked up a box of the N95 masks.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: daedalus on April 15, 2020, 02:28:47 AM
Me too.  i cringe at how many I've thrown away over the years, because they were only a buck each or so.  Now paying for it, literally.  I have 3M respirators but they are a bit "imposing" for just making a Costco run.  Still, less conspicuous than a scuba set up.


(https://i.redd.it/gwlvs304vsq41.jpg)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: daedalus on April 16, 2020, 01:50:59 PM
That Blue Beat site is pretty price gougey.  My only option unfortunately, but they just raised their prices $10 from $55 to $65 for a 10-pack of masks.  Classic definition of price gouging.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: qwerty on April 16, 2020, 01:58:23 PM
Where is the line drawn between price gouging vs market prices (supply/demand). I’m not familiar with price gouging laws
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Kenkoko on April 16, 2020, 02:03:39 PM
Daedalus, I have a challenger to your Scuba Steve  ;D
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: daedalus on April 16, 2020, 03:50:17 PM
Where is the line drawn between price gouging vs market prices (supply/demand). I’m not familiar with price gouging laws
From ca.gov:

What is price gouging?

Price gouging refers to sellers trying to take unfair advantage of consumers during an emergency or disaster by greatly increasing prices for essential consumer goods and services.
Is price gouging illegal in California?

Yes, in certain circumstances. California’s anti-price gouging statute, Penal Code Section 396, prohibits raising the price of many consumer goods and services by more than 10% after an emergency has been declared.

Local laws may also contain their own prohibitions on price gouging.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: qwerty on April 16, 2020, 05:15:36 PM
Seems kind of hard to prove vs supply/demand.

I guess that is why we don’t see many headlines about prosecution around price gouging.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 19, 2020, 09:01:14 AM
I know qwerty doesn't like masks... but I think it's fun.

For one thing, it's convenient, don't have to worry about shaving... or brushing my teeth. :)

It's also interesting to see the types of masks people wear... from the scarfs to the homemade to the "only for healthcare" N95 masks.

Saw a couple of hardcore industrial masks with the re-breather valves... bmx/motorcycle masks seem to be popular too.

I think qwerty doesn't like wearing a mask because he's prettier than all of us.

That's the other thing... I have no idea if someone is smiling or sticking their tongue out at me.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 20, 2020, 09:10:52 AM
New England study that shows even speaking sends out particles:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800

Masks help you “say it not spray it”. :)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on April 20, 2020, 11:43:39 AM
I will pay good money for one of these masks:

https://www.screengeek.net/2020/04/16/alien-facehugger-coronavirus-mask/  (https://www.screengeek.net/2020/04/16/alien-facehugger-coronavirus-mask/)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: PSForever on April 21, 2020, 12:38:02 PM
New Testing on Best material for a mask...bandana only filters 1.6% of 0.3 micron particles  :o

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-diy-coronavirus-homemade-face-mask-material-covid/
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: aquabliss on April 21, 2020, 02:06:29 PM
Doesn't the supermarket get safer with everyone wearing a mask.  Let's say no ones wearing a mask, the droplets from talking/breathing go about 4ft, then sneezing/coughing 6-8 ft.  If everyone is wearing a mask, doesn't it greatly diminish the amount of droplets floating around in the air. 

I presume most of them would be blocked by the cloth barrier, or leak out the sides but not projecting in front of me - thus lessening my exposure to other peoples droplets and decreasing my chance for inhaling those droplets or having them land on my clothing or skin.

If there's droplets all throughout the air then I don't think wearing my mask (vs. not) will help me much because I'm gonna inhale them anyhow, but if there aren't many droplets floating around because we're all wearing masks then this should help quite a bit.

Man, I wish I could invent Coronavirus goggles that people could wear and see the virus particles in bright florescent yellow.  Everyone would want 2 pair.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: qwerty on April 21, 2020, 02:56:15 PM
I read an article about these airborne covid particles. Unless you get sneezed on directly the chance of infection is pretty low.

Because we walk so slow, any airborne particles that are light enough to be airborne would be caught in the “wind” pattern your body generates as you walk and would essentially wrap around you but you wouldn’t inhale them.

I’ll see if I can find the article. It was pretty interesting and made a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 21, 2020, 02:57:25 PM
Anyone notice in that scuba guy picture that lady in the background?

Everyone is wearing masks and she's standing there without a mask eating an open container of food. Must be a qwerty supporter. :)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 21, 2020, 03:03:13 PM
Because we walk so slow, any airborne particles that are light enough to be airborne would be caught in the “wind” pattern your body generates as you walk and would essentially wrap around you but you wouldn’t inhale them.

So we need one of these:

(https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1170150928.jpg)

:)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: eyephone on April 21, 2020, 03:05:45 PM
Because we walk so slow, any airborne particles that are light enough to be airborne would be caught in the “wind” pattern your body generates as you walk and would essentially wrap around you but you wouldn’t inhale them.

So we need one of these:

(https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1170150928.jpg)

:)

You might blow the particles to your face.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 21, 2020, 03:44:16 PM
Use reverse setting. :)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Innosint on April 21, 2020, 04:13:49 PM
then you are drawing all the surround air flowing across your face before directing them up.

sometimes you just can't win =___=
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 22, 2020, 02:58:57 PM
So I've heard about it on the news but finally saw it myself... a lady holding a mannequin head was selling masks on a street corner.

Masks are the new oranges.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: keilbros on April 24, 2020, 02:29:22 PM
I read an article about these airborne covid particles. Unless you get sneezed on directly the chance of infection is pretty low.

Because we walk so slow, any airborne particles that are light enough to be airborne would be caught in the “wind” pattern your body generates as you walk and would essentially wrap around you but you wouldn’t inhale them.

I’ll see if I can find the article. It was pretty interesting and made a lot of sense.


So from what I understand, it looks like viral load is the key factor in determining how sick you get from covid19. So if someone comes up to you and sneezes in your face..and you inhale and suck it up...you will have a harder time in rehab, than someone who was wearing a mask sneezed into the mask and some random particles happened to float your direction and somehow managed to bind to your ACE 2 receptors.

That being said, it is even slightly more effective to wear a mask even if you're not sick. Because people are asymptomatic and could be "super spreaders" Although this is a super nasty virus, the bright side is that if you look at all the deaths around the world from Covid19, I read somewhere that the average age was around 70-80 years old (like more than 80%)... If you are younger, you will probably live..although you will have fucked up lungs, possibly brain damage and a host of other shit that you just don't want to mess with.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 24, 2020, 02:36:09 PM
Was at the Walmart in the Spectrum... some guy was arguing with a Walmart associate about why he needed to wear a mask.

I thought it was qwerty but he didn't have the calves nor the proper skin color. :)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: iacrenter on April 24, 2020, 07:23:23 PM
Was at the Walmart in the Spectrum... some guy was arguing with a Walmart associate about why he needed to wear a mask.

I thought it was qwerty but he didn't have the calves nor the proper skin color. :)

Just call IPD and they will use the pincer pole :)

(https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/aap-nw-aap.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/31210502/2862028f-925c-440b-9128-addda3d76021.jpg?v=1585649103)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 25, 2020, 10:33:48 AM
So new mask industry... fashion scarves that turn into masks:

(https://imcut.jollychic.com//uploads/jollyimg/imageLibrary/201903/316/08/IL201903081133066240.jpg)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 29, 2020, 10:40:30 AM
So this is why qwerty won't wear a mask:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/here-s-why-some-people-are-not-wearing-masks-during-n1200701

Quote
"People are constantly calculating the gain/loss of doing everyday things like going to the grocery store and not wearing a mask," she said. "Some will go for the shortcut."

The refusal to wear a mask, which has been mandated in numerous cities and states, allegedly figured in the death of security guard Calvin Munerlyn, 43, who was fatally shot after he barred a customer from a Family Dollar store in Flint, Michigan, because she wasn't wearing a mask.

Munerlyn's death placed a spotlight on the people whose job it has become to enforce regulations that rub a lot of people wrong.

"In general, people do not like to be told what to do,” said Elizabeth Dorrance Hall, a professor of communication at Michigan State University.

“Their reactions to being told what to do, however, vary,” Dorrance Hall said in an email. “For example, if a person was told not to eat cake at a birthday party, they may seek to restore their freedom directly by doing the forbidden act.”

Or, Dorrance Hall said, they might express anger at the person denying them cake or “exercise a different freedom to regain the feeling of control and choice” by eating something else like potato chips, Hall said.

Some groups, like adolescents, are more prone to riskier behavior like going without masks, Gollan added.

"Sometimes it’s a matter of wanting to control one’s own behavior and in wanting to feel like they’re in control they will do something like this," Gollan said.

"Sometimes, it's a matter of people thinking that wearing a mask doesn't work, or they disbelieve the science."

Why didn't qwerty protest about the death of Calvin Munerlyn? Is dying from enforcing a rule less tragic than what happened to Floyd?
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: qwerty on May 29, 2020, 11:08:40 AM
I don’t protest. I mind my own business. Perhaps I’m part of the problem. I have a corporate job and and if I said anything or did anything that the public would perceive as negative it could cost me my job. I don’t post anything on any social media sights because the wrong thing can get you fired.

So I value my money more than “doing the right thing”. All I care about is setting up my kids for a better life than I had. Anything else is just noise.

You think it’s some sort of cop out argument but ever since I can remember I have held the view that people die everyday and it doesn’t bother me. The death part doesn’t bother me. They way someone dies may bother me. I’m tired of seeing white cops kill black people with no real consequence. The cop just got arrested. But I wouldn’t be surprised if the guy gets off. I guess it’s the inequality and abuse of power that bothers me. Not just with the police but anywhere. And the fact that it just happens again and again with no consequence bothers me. I can only imagine what black people feel like.

Random acts of stupidity that end up in death are more frequent and don’t bother me the same way deaths from the abuse of power bother me. Covid deaths fall under the “not much you can do about it” category. You think the covid deaths can be avoided. I think they can be delayed. For the time being at least. We will see what happens with a treatment/vaccine.  But like I have said before. If you are predisposed to death die to covid you may die anyway if there is a treatment/vaccine.

In a world that was less PC, perhaps I would be more vocal. But when I retire, the gloves are coming off :-)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 29, 2020, 12:09:06 PM
You don't post on social media because you would get lambasted for what you think "flattening the curve" is. :)

I don't think anyone on TI agrees with your viewpoint that it only delays deaths and that it would be the same number regardless. If so, it's only to spite me, but they know the real science... or why would every medical-related person in the world recommend it?

Did you find that article that says flattening the curve just delays the number of deaths?

This would be like me saying that lockdowns don't hurt the economy... it just pauses it. :)

Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 22, 2020, 08:49:15 PM
Why are masks a "liberal" or "leftist" thing?

Aren't they just a safety/health protocol?
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: PSForever on June 29, 2020, 07:07:55 AM
As IUSD considers a hybrid model, will they require all staff and students to wear NON-valved masks (ie. masks WITHOUT exhalation valves).

"As you inhale, the incoming air is filtered. As you exhale, the outgoing mixture of carbon dioxide, oxygen, water vapor and, yes, possibly COVID-19 viral particles releases unfiltered. The San Francisco Department of Public Health actually tweeted a warning that these masks “may actually propel your germs further." 
https://healthnewshub.org/health-news-hub/top-news/do-not-use-a-mask-with-a-filtered-valve-it-can-spread-covid-19/
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: zubs on June 30, 2020, 09:57:30 AM
More and more states are finally mandating masks.  It took so long to get here. How much money and lives would have been saved if state governments had mandated masks in MAR?  Or if Trump had mandated masks by executive order in MAR?

The states not mandating masks are stupid because we are in the middle of a pandemic.  Why does trump hate america?
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Compressed-Village on June 30, 2020, 01:24:58 PM
More and more states are finally mandating masks.  It took so long to get here. How much money and lives would we have been saved if state governments had mandated masks in MAR?  Or if Trump had mandated masks by executive order in MAR?

The states not mandating masks are stupid because we are in the middle of a pandemic.  Why does trump hate america?

Because he wants to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. :)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: PSForever on July 06, 2020, 01:17:49 PM

How Well Do Masks Work? (Schlieren Imaging In Slow Motion!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=436&v=0Tp0zB904Mc&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: PSForever on July 09, 2020, 09:23:18 AM
 
The San Francisco Bay Area has become the first region in the US to say that masks with valves are not acceptable face protection amid the coronavirus pandemic.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8266171/Bay-Area-says-masks-valves-not-acceptable-face-protection-amid-coronavirus-pandemic.html
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 09, 2020, 09:43:08 AM
Next viral video:

Man with valve mask argues with man with no-valve mask.

:)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: eddieuclabruin on August 28, 2020, 08:51:27 PM
Does anyone know where one can buy some legitimate kn95 (or even kn94) masks? There's a ton of different listings on Amazon, but almost all of them have concerns in the reviews about counterfeit distribution & quality issues?

Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: eyephone on August 28, 2020, 09:16:56 PM
Does anyone know where one can buy some legitimate kn95 (or even kn94) masks? There's a ton of different listings on Amazon, but almost all of them have concerns in the reviews about counterfeit distribution & quality issues?

Check out slickdeals. Decent amount of objective reviews regarding masks.
For example super thin masks do not buy, ordered this before this is a good deal.
I basically go there for the deals.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: zubs on October 18, 2020, 12:24:06 AM
Check out this website showing red states now have more covid infections.
Is it because they didn't take this pandemic seriously?

https://dangoodspeed.com/covid/total-cases-since-june (https://dangoodspeed.com/covid/total-cases-since-june)


Man....Covid sure loves North Dakota!
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on November 25, 2020, 08:59:58 AM
So this is for qwerty, we talked about mask mandates and I said that it will help businesses because people will feel safer:

https://source.wustl.edu/2020/11/masks-dont-just-save-lives-they-also-boost-economy/

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/11/23/21594502/coronavirus-mask-mandate-evidence-economy-businesses-statewide-covid-19-pandemic-salt-lake-city

And there are others. So masks not only protect people, it helps the economy. Wear your mask qwerty!!!

Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: StarmanMBA on January 01, 2021, 07:34:32 AM
MASKS ARE WORTHLESS
But Virtue Posturers, primarily Leftists who adore Joe Biden, wear them and swear by them.

Massive Danish study on surgical masks found no statistically significant benefit against Covid-19

November 18, 2020

 Most Western elites are telegraphing the message that we will be forced to cover our humanity with cheap Chinese face burkas indefinitely. They are mandating that even two-year-olds must wear masks. The long-term effects on the lungs, emotional and behavioral problems, and development of infants and toddlers is enormous. For such an unconstitutional invasion of personal liberty, they are responsible to show us some amazing degree of effectiveness of this cultish ritual. In fact, the data show the opposite.


 

The much-vaunted Danish mask study was finally published today in the prestigious Annals of Internal Medicine. Now we know why three medical journals were so averse to publishing its findings. The study completely obliterates the cultish devotion to masks. The results of this massive real-life controlled experiment show that the group that wore surgical masks in April experienced a 0.38% lower infection rate than the control group that did not wear masks. That is about one-third of one percent, which is so low that it could just be statistically random variances that demonstrate no definitive efficacy even to that infinitesimal level.

 

"The recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers by more than 50% in a community with modest infection rates, some degree of social distancing, and uncommon general mask use," concluded the authors. "The data were compatible with lesser degrees of self-protection."

 

There was a total of roughly 3,000 people in each group of the study, which would make this the largest study ever conducted on the efficacy of mask-wearing. In October, Berlingske, Denmark's oldest operating daily newspaper, reported that three major journals – JAMA, New England Journal of Medicine, and Lancet – refused to publish the study.

______________
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Cares on January 01, 2021, 08:46:20 AM
"MASSIVE study" .... "each group contained 3000 people"

OK.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: nosuchreality on January 01, 2021, 10:35:58 AM
Quote
A total of 3030 participants were randomly assigned to the recommendation to wear masks, and 2994 were assigned to control; 4862 completed the study. Infection with SARS-CoV-2 occurred in 42 participants recommended masks (1.8%) and 53 control participants (2.1%). The between-group difference was −0.3 percentage point (95% CI, −1.2 to 0.4 percentage point; P = 0.38) (odds ratio, 0.82 [CI, 0.54 to 1.23]; P = 0.33). Multiple imputation accounting for loss to follow-up yielded similar results. Although the difference observed was not statistically significant, the 95% CIs are compatible with a 46% reduction to a 23% increase in infection.

Lol.

Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: icey on January 02, 2021, 12:54:54 PM
Quote

Most Western elites are telegraphing the message that we will be forced to cover our humanity with cheap Chinese face burkas indefinitely.

Wow 2 mentions of racism in the opening sentence, sounds like a peer reviewed epic breakthrough.

 ::)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: morekaos on February 05, 2021, 08:45:23 AM
Well there goes the double mask trope...why believe anything that they say?...

Fauci says 'there’s no data that indicates' double masks work after saying otherwise last week

Dr. Anthony Fauci said there’s no evidence showing two masks are safer than wearing one, despite saying otherwise last week.

“There’s nothing wrong with that, but there’s no data that indicates that that is going to make a difference,” Fauci said
during a video livestream interview with the American Federation of Teachers.

Fauci on double masking:

“There’s no data that indicates that that is going to make a difference” pic.twitter.com/ptVivQfuwt

His comments come after saying last week that wearing two face masks “likely” provides more protection than wearing just one mask.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/anthony-fauci-masks-double (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/anthony-fauci-masks-double)

and now Slo-Joe waves his magic wand that he campaigned on to ....

Biden administration explores sending face masks to all Americans

WASHINGTON – President Joe Biden’s administration is exploring sending protective face masks directly to all Americans to help fight the spread of COVID-19 after former President Donald Trump scrapped the same initiative last year.

“We want to get this back on track,” White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain said Thursday in an interview on NBC. “We’re looking at what can be done to quickly do this with the mask supplies that we have. I hope in the next few days or next week, we can perhaps announce some progress on this.”

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-administration-explores-sending-face-160424087.html (https://news.yahoo.com/biden-administration-explores-sending-face-160424087.html)

Sure...that is leadership...Puleeeez!!!
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: freedomcm on February 06, 2021, 07:47:44 AM
Why is it so difficult for you to understand levels of evidence?

Fauci said it was 'likely' to be more efficacious to double up.

Fauci said the data is not definitive (ie not rigorously proven).

Makes perfect sense to anyone not a conspiracy winger
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: someguy on February 06, 2021, 11:25:16 AM
Makes perfect sense to anyone not a conspiracy winger

Masks are a way to reduce risk of disease spread.  If one reduces the risk, sure, perhaps two reduces the risk more.  Is there double blind placebo controlled statistically significant peer reviewed science that is a fair representation of common real world scenarios to prove this?  No.  Is there downside to wearing two masks?  Maybe.  Maybe not.

Risk tolerance is a personal preference.  There is a cost/benefit associated with wearing a mask (or two masks).  Some people do not perceive a enough benefit to wearing a mask (or two) to outweigh the cost of wearing it.  No mask (or only one) doesn't make someone a "conspiracy winger".  Now maybe a non-mask wearer is in fact a conspiracy winger, but conspiracy wingers and no mask / one mask wearers are not 100% overlapping groups.  Covid has divided us more than ever.  Name calling will make it worse.

There is no such thing as a risk free life.  Risk mitigation has trade offs.  We're not all going to agree on every risk mitigation strategy.  We don't need to force or shame other people for not living their life according to our own points of view.  We all think differently, have been shaped by different experiences, have different biological make ups, etc.  We are all better off letting go of resentment, finding common ground, and moving forward with our lives.  We're all humans first and we're just trying to do what we think is best for ourselves and our loved ones. 

Death will claim all of us one day.  Perhaps we're best served making the most out of our limited time by being kind to one another and giving others the courtesy of perusing their own version of happiness.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: eyephone on February 06, 2021, 11:42:55 AM
Makes perfect sense to anyone not a conspiracy winger

Masks are a way to reduce risk of disease spread.  If one reduces the risk, sure, perhaps two reduces the risk more.  Is there double blind placebo controlled statistically significant peer reviewed science that is a fair representation of common real world scenarios to prove this?  No.  Is there downside to wearing two masks?  Maybe.  Maybe not.

Risk tolerance is a personal preference.  There is a cost/benefit associated with wearing a mask (or two masks).  Some people do not perceive a enough benefit to wearing a mask (or two) to outweigh the cost of wearing it.  No mask (or only one) doesn't make someone a "conspiracy winger".  Now maybe a non-mask wearer is in fact a conspiracy winger, but conspiracy wingers and no mask / one mask wearers are not 100% overlapping groups.  Covid has divided us more than ever.  Name calling will make it worse.

There is no such thing as a risk free life.  Risk mitigation has trade offs.  We're not all going to agree on every risk mitigation strategy.  We don't need to force or shame other people for not living their life according to our own points of view.  We all think differently, have been shaped by different experiences, have different biological make ups, etc.  We are all better off letting go of resentment, finding common ground, and moving forward with our lives.  We're all humans first and we're just trying to do what we think is best for ourselves and our loved ones. 

Death will claim all of us one day.  Perhaps we're best served making the most out of our limited time by being kind to one another and giving others the courtesy of perusing their own version of happiness.

I am sorry name calling is nothing compared to getting sick of covid. You say death will claim us one day. But I will try my best to be safe from Covid.

The common ground is wear a fuc#ing mask. (Pardon my French)
All the lies and misinformation that comes from one group is a shame. The old party of family values and morals turned into a cult? Idk 
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: eyephone on February 06, 2021, 11:45:26 AM
As I said before. It is the end of being nice. You can see it in videos that random people are confronting people with out masks at public places. Not only you are endangering the person near my. You are also endangering their family.
Survival of the fittest! You want people to be nice, but you want to potentially harm people without a mask. You can’t have it both ways!

(Note: the post is for entertainment purposes but based on stories in the news. I am not endorsing violence)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: eyephone on February 06, 2021, 11:50:17 AM
Look what happened at Dodger stadium. There was a group that closed down by protesting which halted the vaccination process. Is that being nice to people waiting to get vaccinated? (Maybe they were old or health workers waiting to get vaccinated)  If they were old, they could of been exposed by the protestors. Idk)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: qwerty on February 06, 2021, 01:05:43 PM
As I said before. It is the end of being nice. You can see it in videos that random people are confronting people with out masks at public places. Not only you are endangering the person near my. You are also endangering their family.
Survival of the fittest! You want people to be nice, but you want to potentially harm people without a mask. You can’t have it both ways!

(Note: the post is for entertainment purposes but based on stories in the news. I am not endorsing violence)

I think you are using survival of the fittest incorrectly. Survival of the fittest would throw out masks and let ride. Those who die, die. The best genes survive.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 06, 2021, 01:53:12 PM
As I said before. It is the end of being nice. You can see it in videos that random people are confronting people with out masks at public places. Not only you are endangering the person near my. You are also endangering their family.
Survival of the fittest! You want people to be nice, but you want to potentially harm people without a mask. You can’t have it both ways!

(Note: the post is for entertainment purposes but based on stories in the news. I am not endorsing violence)

I think you are using survival of the fittest incorrectly. Survival of the fittest would throw out masks and let ride. Those who die, die. The best genes survive.

Or... the ones with the science based genes survive because they know how to avoid dangerous viruses by practicing safety protocols.

Maybe a guy with a the biggest calves can jump off a cliff and survive. But the guy who knows jumping off a cliff has a low chance of survival doesn't do it and for sure survives.

So it could also be "survival of the smartest". :)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: eyephone on February 06, 2021, 01:57:32 PM
As I said before. It is the end of being nice. You can see it in videos that random people are confronting people with out masks at public places. Not only you are endangering the person near my. You are also endangering their family.
Survival of the fittest! You want people to be nice, but you want to potentially harm people without a mask. You can’t have it both ways!

(Note: the post is for entertainment purposes but based on stories in the news. I am not endorsing violence)

I think you are using survival of the fittest incorrectly. Survival of the fittest would throw out masks and let ride. Those who die, die. The best genes survive.

Or... the ones with the science based genes survive because they know how to avoid dangerous viruses by practicing safety protocols.

Maybe a guy with a the biggest calves can jump off a cliff and survive. But the guy who knows jumping off a cliff has a low chance of survival doesn't do it and for sure survives.

So it could also be "survival of the smartest". :)

True that.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: morekaos on April 07, 2021, 10:16:52 AM
Fear will keep the local systems in line....fear of cancellation!!

High school track coach is fired for violating mask mandate when he allowed students to run OUTSIDE without face coverings

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9445517/New-Hampshire-track-coach-fired-violating-high-schools-mask-mandate.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9445517/New-Hampshire-track-coach-fired-violating-high-schools-mask-mandate.html)

Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: nosuchreality on April 07, 2021, 10:31:44 AM
No he wasn't.

Quote
Keyes, who coached at Pembroke Academy for the last four years, said the school requires student athletes to wear masks at athletic events, something he doesn't completely agree with.


Fear will keep the local systems in line....fear of cancellation!!

High school track coach is fired for violating mask mandate when he allowed students to run OUTSIDE without face coverings

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9445517/New-Hampshire-track-coach-fired-violating-high-schools-mask-mandate.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9445517/New-Hampshire-track-coach-fired-violating-high-schools-mask-mandate.html)

Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: nosuchreality on April 07, 2021, 10:34:08 AM
Guess what they find when they actually start testing the high school sport meets?

Yes, they do cause community spread.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/04/06/youth-sports-outbreaks-covid-testing/

Quote
Dan Culhane, 62, took extraordinary precautions when he returned to the ice as a youth hockey referee in January. He triple-masked, wore a plexiglass face shield on his helmet and donned his gear at home to minimize time indoors.

It wasn’t enough.

Culhane, who died on Feb. 28 of covid-19, is one of more than 189 people confirmed or suspected to be linked to an unusual youth sports outbreak of the coronavirus in Carver County, Minn., driven by the B.1.1.7 variant that was first seen in the United Kingdom. The interlinked cases span all levels of K-12 schools, from elementary to high school, and 18 hockey, four basketball, three lacrosse and one soccer teams.

“Until now we haven’t seen transmission like this in kids in the pandemic,” said Michael Osterholm, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of Minnesota who served as an adviser to President Biden.

Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Kangen.Irvine on April 07, 2021, 03:59:14 PM
That’s why schools became exempt from testing their athletes once an area reached red. Easier to manage when you don’t have to manage.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: eyephone on April 07, 2021, 04:04:00 PM
Is there still a debate that masks do not work?
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Kangen.Irvine on April 07, 2021, 10:42:18 PM
Not in my house, we wear masks. The schools on the other hand are lacking the ability or desire to enforce mask wearing. It should be as simple as suspended from sports activity or switched to online instruction.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: morekaos on April 07, 2021, 11:41:34 PM
We only wear masks where required...everywhere else, it’s weapons free!
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: morekaos on June 08, 2021, 09:57:29 AM
Why is it so difficult for you to understand levels of evidence?

Fauci said it was 'likely' to be more efficacious to double up.

Fauci said the data is not definitive (ie not rigorously proven).

Makes perfect sense to anyone not a conspiracy winger


Or...it really was all for naught...

Was mask-wearing pointless after all? Fauci must be forced to answer

Did we ever need masks?

It’s a touchy, complex question. People may not want to learn that millions of us covered our faces for 15 months for no good reason after all. But asking the questions is exactly what we must do.

Last week, a trove of Dr. Anthony Fauci’s emails were released to the public. In a Feb. 5, 2020, email to a Team Obama health official, the ­virus guru wrote that masks were for infected people, and that “the typical mask you buy in a drug store is not really effective in keeping out the virus, which is small enough to pass through the material.”

Fauci now claims that new information emerged in the time since that email proving the efficacy of masks. But did it? What was that new information?

Did the virus magically grow in size, so that the masks could contain it? When he referred to masks in the drug store at that point, he meant medical masks. But most Americans spent more than a year wearing cloth masks. If medical masks couldn’t contain the tiny ­virus, how could the cloth ones? Can Fauci point to any studies showing that masks made a significant difference in containing the coronavirus?

https://nypost.com/2021/06/06/was-mask-wearing-pointless-after-all-fauci-must-answer/ (https://nypost.com/2021/06/06/was-mask-wearing-pointless-after-all-fauci-must-answer/)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: nosuchreality on June 08, 2021, 10:32:33 AM
Why is it so difficult for you to understand levels of evidence?

Fauci said it was 'likely' to be more efficacious to double up.

Fauci said the data is not definitive (ie not rigorously proven).

Makes perfect sense to anyone not a conspiracy winger


Or...it really was all for naught...

Was mask-wearing pointless after all? Fauci must be forced to answer

Did we ever need masks?

It’s a touchy, complex question. People may not want to learn that millions of us covered our faces for 15 months for no good reason after all. But asking the questions is exactly what we must do.

Last week, a trove of Dr. Anthony Fauci’s emails were released to the public. In a Feb. 5, 2020, email to a Team Obama health official, the ­virus guru wrote that masks were for infected people, and that “the typical mask you buy in a drug store is not really effective in keeping out the virus, which is small enough to pass through the material.”

Fauci now claims that new information emerged in the time since that email proving the efficacy of masks. But did it? What was that new information?

Did the virus magically grow in size, so that the masks could contain it? When he referred to masks in the drug store at that point, he meant medical masks. But most Americans spent more than a year wearing cloth masks. If medical masks couldn’t contain the tiny ­virus, how could the cloth ones? Can Fauci point to any studies showing that masks made a significant difference in containing the coronavirus?

https://nypost.com/2021/06/06/was-mask-wearing-pointless-after-all-fauci-must-answer/ (https://nypost.com/2021/06/06/was-mask-wearing-pointless-after-all-fauci-must-answer/)

Fox News crap.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: morekaos on June 08, 2021, 10:43:53 AM
Stop shooting the messenger when you don't like the message...How about VOX?  That's good and lefty liberal, right?....same message same point!!

California mandated masks. Florida opened its restaurants. Did any of it matter?

After a year of debates over mask mandates, lockdowns, and school closures, that mixed evidence might suggest a certain fatalism: Did none of these state policies really matter? Or was the virus going to spread no matter what states did? Was it all for nothing?

https://www.vox.com/coronavirus-covid19/22456544/covid-19-mask-mandates-lockdown-debate-evidence (https://www.vox.com/coronavirus-covid19/22456544/covid-19-mask-mandates-lockdown-debate-evidence)

Like I said from the start..."Virus gonna virus."
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: zubs on June 08, 2021, 10:48:00 AM
Influenza was lower in 2020 due to all the mask wearing
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6937a6.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6937a6.htm)
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/a-sharp-drop-in-flu-cases-during-covid-19-pandemic/ (https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/a-sharp-drop-in-flu-cases-during-covid-19-pandemic/)



To say that masks do not help during a respitory event is to rile up the retards who make money off of politicizing mask wearing. 
This is trumps fault and one major reason he lost 2020.


Mask deniers are sheep.  A bit of critical thinking would help them but all they can do is baaAAAAAAAAaaaah....
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: qwerty on June 08, 2021, 11:20:40 AM
It seems masks do help. I think the issue that gets mixed up is how contagious the truly airborne virus is.

The mask come in handy when taking to people within a close distance. My kids spit on me all the time when they talk. So the masks would definitely help in preventing saliva transfer from talking to someone at close distance, perhaps 3 feet or less??

Where masks are probably less helpful are with the airborne particles which now the CDC says can cause an infection. While entirely possible they can cause infection, it seems the probability of these infections is low because masks wouldn’t really help in these situations. So while headlines claiming covid is transmissible  by just floating in the air create clicks, it doesnt seem like they cause a whole lot of infections otherwise we all would have had it by now if a floating virus really caused infections.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: eyephone on June 08, 2021, 11:30:49 AM
I was by this random mo fo that took off his mask and sneezed. (I was 15 feet away)
It ruined my mood to shop and I left.
Unbelievable shi7

Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: eyephone on June 08, 2021, 11:31:16 AM
Stop shooting the messenger when you don't like the message...How about VOX?  That's good and lefty liberal, right?....same message same point!!

California mandated masks. Florida opened its restaurants. Did any of it matter?

After a year of debates over mask mandates, lockdowns, and school closures, that mixed evidence might suggest a certain fatalism: Did none of these state policies really matter? Or was the virus going to spread no matter what states did? Was it all for nothing?

https://www.vox.com/coronavirus-covid19/22456544/covid-19-mask-mandates-lockdown-debate-evidence (https://www.vox.com/coronavirus-covid19/22456544/covid-19-mask-mandates-lockdown-debate-evidence)

Like I said from the start..."Virus gonna virus."

Misinformation Morkeas
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: morekaos on June 08, 2021, 11:57:14 AM
Stop shooting the messenger when you don't like the message...How about VOX?  That's good and lefty liberal, right?....same message same point!!

California mandated masks. Florida opened its restaurants. Did any of it matter?

After a year of debates over mask mandates, lockdowns, and school closures, that mixed evidence might suggest a certain fatalism: Did none of these state policies really matter? Or was the virus going to spread no matter what states did? Was it all for nothing?

https://www.vox.com/coronavirus-covid19/22456544/covid-19-mask-mandates-lockdown-debate-evidence (https://www.vox.com/coronavirus-covid19/22456544/covid-19-mask-mandates-lockdown-debate-evidence)

Like I said from the start..."Virus gonna virus."

Misinformation Morkeas

But it was written by Vox..so it must be true.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: someguy on June 08, 2021, 01:53:12 PM
I was by this random mo fo that took off his mask and sneezed. (I was 15 feet away)
It ruined my mood to shop and I left.
Unbelievable shi7


.

You're going to be fine my delicate little flower.  There were 6 positive covid test results in all of Irvine last week.  6.  out of nearly 300,000 residents.  Back to your basement where you're safe from life.

https://www.cityofirvine.org/sites/default/files/city-files/PIO/COVID19/Website%20Count%20Revised%20Weekly%206.1.21.jpg
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: eyephone on June 08, 2021, 02:00:02 PM
I was by this random mo fo that took off his mask and sneezed. (I was 15 feet away)
It ruined my mood to shop and I left.
Unbelievable shi7


.

You're going to be fine my delicate little flower.  There were 6 positive covid test results in all of Irvine last week.  6.  out of nearly 300,000 residents.  Back to your basement where you're safe from life.

https://www.cityofirvine.org/sites/default/files/city-files/PIO/COVID19/Website%20Count%20Revised%20Weekly%206.1.21.jpg

Okay champ. Who the fuck wears a mask and takes it off when they sneeze in public at a big retail store?  (Only degens and inconsiderate people do that)


Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: NotAnEarlyBird on June 08, 2021, 02:57:17 PM
I was by this random mo fo that took off his mask and sneezed. (I was 15 feet away)
It ruined my mood to shop and I left.
Unbelievable shi7


.

You're going to be fine my delicate little flower.  There were 6 positive covid test results in all of Irvine last week.  6.  out of nearly 300,000 residents.  Back to your basement where you're safe from life.

https://www.cityofirvine.org/sites/default/files/city-files/PIO/COVID19/Website%20Count%20Revised%20Weekly%206.1.21.jpg

Okay champ. Who the fuck wears a mask and takes it off when they sneeze in public at a big retail store?  (Only degens and inconsiderate people do that)

Plenty inconsiderate people around. I've seen a guy in Cadence Park spit on the ground at the tot lot.. Of all places, the tot lot??!?
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: nosuchreality on June 08, 2021, 03:19:36 PM
I'm more concerned about the helmetless idiots on e-bikes by the Marketplace that have no respect for the traffic lights.

Just watched one of the idiots almost get hit and then flip the car driver off because the car driver had the left green arrow go for the turn and started to go and he decided to hop his bike off the sidewalk and cross street at zippy speed against the lights and tried to go around in front of her.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: sleepy5136 on August 03, 2021, 02:08:52 PM
I'm more concerned about the helmetless idiots on e-bikes by the Marketplace that have no respect for the traffic lights.

Just watched one of the idiots almost get hit and then flip the car driver off because the car driver had the left green arrow go for the turn and started to go and he decided to hop his bike off the sidewalk and cross street at zippy speed against the lights and tried to go around in front of her.
If I was a cop, I would ticket bikers like these all day everyday. It's even worse in Santa Monica with the scooters AND bikers. Bikers and scooters think they have the right of a pedestrian and a vehicle. Man I want these bikers to do what they're doing in countries like China/India and see what happens.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: morekaos on August 24, 2021, 12:44:38 PM
...and...Duhhh..

Blue surgical face masks are only 10% effective in preventing COVID infection, new study finds
University of Waterloo researchers find most cloth masks are only 10% effective
Researchers warn most cloth masks do not cover the face properly 
N95 or KN95 masks were found to be the most effective at filtering aerosols
Study also found that even 'moderate ventilation' matches the best of masks in terms of protection against COVID-19

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9914969/Popular-blue-surgical-face-masks-NOT-stop-people-infected-COVID-19.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9914969/Popular-blue-surgical-face-masks-NOT-stop-people-infected-COVID-19.html)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: morekaos on August 24, 2021, 12:59:12 PM
...and the CDC says...

A recently published study from the Centers for Disease and Control and Prevention (CDC) shows there is no scientific rationale for forcibly masking schoolchildren. The study’s publication simultaneously vindicates Florida Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, who has been a vocal opponent of the policy due to its lack of scientific evidence.

When analyzing more than 90,000 elementary school students in 169 Georgia schools from Nov. 16 to Dec. 11 last year, the study found that schools that “required mask use among students was not statistically significant compared with schools where mask use was optional.” According to the CDC,  this “might be attributed to higher effectiveness of masks among adults, who are at higher risk for SARS-CoV-2 infection but might also result from differences in mask-wearing behavior among students in schools with optional requirements.”

Moreover, as New York Magazine noted, “Children are less likely to have severe disease from SARS-CoV-2, and when infected less likely to be symptomatic, which correlates with lower contagiousness. Those facts alone may account for part of the reason why the Georgia study found no clear benefit for a masking requirement for kids in schools.”

https://thefederalist.com/2021/08/24/desantis-vindicated-theres-no-science-behind-masks-on-kids/ (https://thefederalist.com/2021/08/24/desantis-vindicated-theres-no-science-behind-masks-on-kids/)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: qwerty on August 24, 2021, 06:48:32 PM
When I went to pick up my kids they were all playing together outside with their friends. No masks, face to face playing.  Not sure what the point of requiring masks at their desks when there is some space separating them when they will be maskless outside and playing face to face.

It does give off the appearance of doing something for the sake of doing something.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: eyephone on August 24, 2021, 07:23:08 PM
When I went to pick up my kids they were all playing together outside with their friends. No masks, face to face playing.  Not sure what the point of requiring masks at their desks when there is some space separating them when they will be maskless outside and playing face to face.

It does give off the appearance of doing something for the sake of doing something.

Your in favor of no mask like Florida and Texas?
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: qwerty on August 24, 2021, 07:56:22 PM
I’m not opposed to letting the parents choose. Or even the kids depending on age. I’ve never been fully sold on how much protection masks really offer.

My specific point is if the kids are going be face to face not sure how much sense masks make in class. The damage will likely be done at recess or lunch.

Also, not sure how much sense it makes to wear a mask at Costco or target but then have everyone not wearing masks in a restaurant. I see waiters pick up dishes and then brink out drinks. Restaurants are probably a place where covid spreads more than at Costco/target.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: morekaos on August 24, 2021, 08:00:04 PM
Know a ton of kids and parents who are wearing these fake masks, you get em on Amazon. They look like a mask but are shear and do not block breathing at all. You can wear them even working out but they are as affective as real ones.  Lots of the kids are using them to comply.  I just don’t wear them at all, no one in my office or building do either. Most just wear them around their neck in case someone vibes them.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: eyephone on August 24, 2021, 08:01:47 PM
I’m not opposed to letting the parents choose. Or even the kids depending on age. I’ve never been fully sold on how much protection masks really offer.

My specific point is if the kids are going be face to face not sure how much sense masks make in class. The damage will likely be done at recess or lunch.

Also, not sure how much sense it makes to wear a mask at Costco or target but then have everyone not wearing masks in a restaurant. I see waiters pick up dishes and then brink out drinks. Restaurants are probably a place where covid spreads more than at Costco/target.

No mask required at costco for customers

Alabama out of icu beds
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: morekaos on August 24, 2021, 08:05:17 PM
Pelosi  doesn’t believe in them…except for the help…those people are petri dishes…ehh gahd!!

Pelosi was filmed speaking at a lavish fundraiser in Napa Valley Sunday, where guests doled out donations of up to $29,000
What looked like more than a hundred guests were sitting shoulder to shoulder and maskless at a table groaning with fine food and fancy flowers

'All the servants fully masked,' journalist Glenn Greenwald tweeted. 'The almost-entirely old, white, rich crowd of DCCC donors free to go maskless'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9917827/Pelosi-filmed-lavish-Napa-Valley-fundraiser-tickets-sold-29K-Kabul-crumbles.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9917827/Pelosi-filmed-lavish-Napa-Valley-fundraiser-tickets-sold-29K-Kabul-crumbles.html)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: qwerty on August 24, 2021, 09:02:36 PM
I’m not opposed to letting the parents choose. Or even the kids depending on age. I’ve never been fully sold on how much protection masks really offer.

My specific point is if the kids are going be face to face not sure how much sense masks make in class. The damage will likely be done at recess or lunch.

Also, not sure how much sense it makes to wear a mask at Costco or target but then have everyone not wearing masks in a restaurant. I see waiters pick up dishes and then brink out drinks. Restaurants are probably a place where covid spreads more than at Costco/target.

No mask required at costco for customers

Alabama out of icu beds

I don’t think that’s a mask problem. I think that is a stupidity problem. If you don’t want to get a vaccine then that is on you and whatever consequences come with it.

The way things are going masks will be around for 2-3 more years .  So now the fully vaccinated need to wear mask because they may be asymptomatic and pass it along to non-vaccinated?? Give me a fucking break.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on August 24, 2021, 09:47:33 PM
I’m not opposed to letting the parents choose. Or even the kids depending on age. I’ve never been fully sold on how much protection masks really offer.

My specific point is if the kids are going be face to face not sure how much sense masks make in class. The damage will likely be done at recess or lunch.

Also, not sure how much sense it makes to wear a mask at Costco or target but then have everyone not wearing masks in a restaurant. I see waiters pick up dishes and then brink out drinks. Restaurants are probably a place where covid spreads more than at Costco/target.

No mask required at costco for customers

Alabama out of icu beds

I don’t think that’s a mask problem. I think that is a stupidity problem. If you don’t want to get a vaccine then that is on you and whatever consequences come with it.

The way things are going masks will be around for 2-3 more years .  So now the fully vaccinated need to wear mask because they may be asymptomatic and pass it along to non-vaccinated?? Give me a fucking break.

I've been reading what's happening in Israel and they are nearing highs for infection rates even though they have about 80% of the population fully vaccinated.  Here's the article...

https://www.businessinsider.in/science/news/israel-has-one-of-the-worlds-highest-daily-covid-19-infection-rates-despite-high-vaccine-uptake/articleshow/85516912.cms#:~:text=Israel%2C%20once%20a%20global%20leader%20in%20coronavirus%20containment%2C,double%20the%20infection%20rate%20of%20two%20weeks%20ago.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on September 04, 2021, 06:50:22 AM
Masks work.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/masks-were-working-all-along/619989/

Just remember, morekaos is the guy who didn’t understand if you can smell farts through pants and underwear, how does a mask help block Covid. 

Some people just won’t ever understand science.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: someguy on September 04, 2021, 09:00:03 AM
Masks work.

Some people just won’t ever understand science.

Masks work more than zero.  A cloth or blue surgical mask isn't doing much to reduce the transmission of an aerosolized virus.  The virus is about 6 microns.  A cloth mask has about 60 micron sized pores.  A properly worn N95 or KN95 mask is your best bet, but even those have pores large enough for aerosolized covid to get through.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43246-021-00160-z

There's a cost/benefit element as well, but that ultimately comes down to the individual's beliefs.  No sense in discussing, no one is changing their mind at this point.

Covid is now endemic and a part of our lives for at least the next few years.  Nearly everyone is going to get covid at some point.  Taking measures to reduce the severity of the inevitable covid infection is where effort is best spent, which means considering vaccination and geting your body healthy with diet, exercise, vitamin D, and the guidance of your physician to address your specific needs.  Treatment options are also needed to address severe cases and long haul covid.  Obsessing over case numbers, masking, distancing, mandates, and villainizing people who disagree is an exercise in futility.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: nosuchreality on September 04, 2021, 09:34:35 AM
Masks work.

Some people just won’t ever understand science.

Masks work more than zero.  A cloth or blue surgical mask isn't doing much to reduce the transmission of an aerosolized virus.  The virus is about 6 microns.  A cloth mask has about 60 micron sized pores.  A properly worn N95 or KN95 mask is your best bet, but even those have pores large enough for aerosolized covid to get through.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43246-021-00160-z

There's a cost/benefit element as well, but that ultimately comes down to the individual's beliefs.  No sense in discussing, no one is changing their mind at this point.

Covid is now endemic and a part of our lives for at least the next few years.  Nearly everyone is going to get covid at some point.  Taking measures to reduce the severity of the inevitable covid infection is where effort is best spent, which means considering vaccination and geting your body healthy with diet, exercise, vitamin D, and the guidance of your physician to address your specific needs.  Treatment options are also needed to address severe cases and long haul covid.  Obsessing over case numbers, masking, distancing, mandates, and villainizing people who disagree is an exercise in futility.

Drunk drivers will drive, no need to fight it. 
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: fatduck on September 04, 2021, 10:20:27 AM
Masks work.

Some people just won’t ever understand science.

Masks work more than zero.  A cloth or blue surgical mask isn't doing much to reduce the transmission of an aerosolized virus.  The virus is about 6 microns.  A cloth mask has about 60 micron sized pores.  A properly worn N95 or KN95 mask is your best bet, but even those have pores large enough for aerosolized covid to get through.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43246-021-00160-z
i'm no scientist but i'm pretty sure 6 micron viruses aren't just flying through the air on their own
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: morekaos on September 04, 2021, 11:15:41 AM
Masks work.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/masks-were-working-all-along/619989/

Just remember, morekaos is the guy who didn’t understand if you can smell farts through pants and underwear, how does a mask help block Covid. 

Some people just won’t ever understand science.

Yeah, me the, the surgeon general WHO, nobody understands science….


Seriously people—STOP BUYING MASKS!” So tweeted then–surgeon general Jerome Adams on February 29, 2020, adding, “They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus.” Two days later, Adams said, “Folks who don’t know how to wear them properly tend to touch their faces a lot and actually can increase the spread of coronavirus.” Less than a week earlier, on February 25, public-health authorities in the United Kingdom had published guidance that masks were unnecessary even for those providing community or residential care: “During normal day-to-day activities facemasks do not provide protection from respiratory viruses, such as COVID-19 and do not need to be worn by staff.” About a month later, on March 30, World Health Organization (WHO) Health Emergencies Program executive director Mike Ryan said that “there is no specific evidence to suggest that the wearing of masks by the mass population has any particular benefit.” He added, “In fact there’s some evidence to suggest the opposite” because of the possibility of not “wearing a mask properly or fitting it properly” and of “taking it off and all the other risks that are otherwise associated with that.”

Surgical masks were designed to keep medical personnel from inadvertently infecting patients’ wounds, not to prevent the spread of viruses.


https://www.city-journal.org/do-masks-work-a-review-of-the-evidence?wallit_nosession=1#.YRSMsaJRXXk.twitter (https://www.city-journal.org/do-masks-work-a-review-of-the-evidence?wallit_nosession=1#.YRSMsaJRXXk.twitter)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: morekaos on September 04, 2021, 11:22:42 AM
….but I saw it on CNN….

Disease Expert Tells CNN: Most Masks Don't Really Work Against Wuhan Coronavirus


During a segment on CNN Monday afternoon, University of Minnesota Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy Director Michael Osterholm said cloth or paper masks don't work to stop the spread of the disease.

This, of course, has been well known for over a year. Dr. Anthony Fauci told former Obama Health and Human Services Secretary Sylvia Burwell that store-purchased masks do little to stop the spread of the disease.

"The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through the material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you. I do not recommend you wear a mask," Fauci wrote in an email on February 5, 2020.


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/08/02/cnn-guest-actually-cloth-masks-dont-really-work-against-wuhan-coronavirus-n2593473 (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/08/02/cnn-guest-actually-cloth-masks-dont-really-work-against-wuhan-coronavirus-n2593473)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on September 04, 2021, 12:02:51 PM
Quoting stuff from over a year ago when we knew less about Covid doesn’t help you.

Misdirection and misinformation… you still think it was voter fraud? :)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on September 04, 2021, 12:11:48 PM
Masks work.

Some people just won’t ever understand science.

Masks work more than zero.  A cloth or blue surgical mask isn't doing much to reduce the transmission of an aerosolized virus.  The virus is about 6 microns.  A cloth mask has about 60 micron sized pores.  A properly worn N95 or KN95 mask is your best bet, but even those have pores large enough for aerosolized covid to get through.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43246-021-00160-z
i'm no scientist but i'm pretty sure 6 micron viruses aren't just flying through the air on their own

Yep. What’s the size of a respiratory droplet? And with triple layered masks, those overlapping “pores” become much smaller.

Forget science, how about simple logic?
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: morekaos on September 04, 2021, 12:17:56 PM
That CNN report was August 8…time doesn’t change facts…
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on September 04, 2021, 05:03:22 PM
That CNN report was August 8…time doesn’t change facts…

Maybe not your facts.

Just keep comparing farts to respiratory droplets.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: fatduck on September 04, 2021, 06:43:28 PM
if i were king i'd make the vaccine mandatory and masks optional. i think masks are much more annoying. but saying they don't work is silly. people wouldn't get less colds if everyone wore masks all the time? why do we tell people to cover their mouths when they cough then?
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: someguy on September 05, 2021, 12:34:51 PM
Masks work.

Some people just won’t ever understand science.

Masks work more than zero.  A cloth or blue surgical mask isn't doing much to reduce the transmission of an aerosolized virus.  The virus is about 6 microns.  A cloth mask has about 60 micron sized pores.  A properly worn N95 or KN95 mask is your best bet, but even those have pores large enough for aerosolized covid to get through.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43246-021-00160-z
i'm no scientist but i'm pretty sure 6 micron viruses aren't just flying through the air on their own

Yep. What’s the size of a respiratory droplet? And with triple layered masks, those overlapping “pores” become much smaller.

Forget science, how about simple logic?

Probably best to leave the science to the scientists.

There's no point in discussing masks. No one is changing their minds. There's no use in insulting strangers on the internet either.  Our time is better used exploring solutions to our inevitable covid infection.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: eyephone on September 05, 2021, 01:36:39 PM
Masks work.

Some people just won’t ever understand science.

Masks work more than zero.  A cloth or blue surgical mask isn't doing much to reduce the transmission of an aerosolized virus.  The virus is about 6 microns.  A cloth mask has about 60 micron sized pores.  A properly worn N95 or KN95 mask is your best bet, but even those have pores large enough for aerosolized covid to get through.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43246-021-00160-z
i'm no scientist but i'm pretty sure 6 micron viruses aren't just flying through the air on their own

Yep. What’s the size of a respiratory droplet? And with triple layered masks, those overlapping “pores” become much smaller.

Forget science, how about simple logic?

Probably best to leave the science to the scientists.

There's no point in discussing masks. No one is changing their minds. There's no use in insulting strangers on the internet either.  Our time is better used exploring solutions to our inevitable covid infection.

Yeah it is a problem. Because the hospitals are getting filled with a lot of unvaccinated or people who did not where a mask. The solution is for people to get the vaccination.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: fatduck on September 05, 2021, 03:08:59 PM
just put the vaccine in the water with the fluoride
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on September 05, 2021, 05:30:39 PM
just put the vaccine in the water with the fluoride

Then we will have anti-tap drinkers and IRWD protests. :)
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