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Title: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 30, 2020, 09:34:42 AM
I see more people out wearing masks than not wearing them and my paranoia has me thinking that I should too.

I know that it's not totally effective in preventing breathing in viruses but just like washing hands, it helps.

Is there anywhere local in Irvine to get any? I'm not looking for the N95 ones that should be reserved for the medical professionals who need them to work in close contact with patients, just something that can cover my nose and ears with while risking my life at Costco. :)

I was thinking about those scarf/bandanas like this to also make people keep their distance:

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81Ks2SwP1HL._AC_UL320_ML3_.jpg)

Does anyone else want to admit wearing a mask when they go out? It's like Mortal Kombat out there. :)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 30, 2020, 10:34:12 PM
There are conflicting guidance about to wear or not to wear masks when out and about.

I think bank-robberies will be on the rise as a result, first law enforcement becomes accustom and not alarm when masks men/women walk around. And its easy to disguise and quickly change to a different mask after the act, easier get away.

Second, with the disorderly society and high unemployments may push people over the edge of doing unthinkable things to survive.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Irvinehomeseeker on March 31, 2020, 07:12:50 AM
On CNN today, it was mentioned by Dr Fauci that CDC is looking into recommending masks for general population. Currently, no stores have basic masks .... So bandanas  are the only option now.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: lnc on March 31, 2020, 07:41:05 AM
They should recommend wearing mask from the beginning.

I understand the basic surgical mask does not prevent one from getting infected but it does cutting down the spread from person to person. 

One of factors that China, Korea get the spread of COVID-19 under control probably due to the fact that everyone is wearing masks.  I would feel a whole lot safer if everyone around me at Costco was wearing a surgical mask.

But we have to solve mask shortage issue first.

Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: qwerty on March 31, 2020, 08:59:15 AM
If nothing else any type of mask prevents you from touching you mouth and nose which would be of some help.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 31, 2020, 09:07:45 AM
If nothing else any type of mask prevents you from touching you mouth and nose which would be of some help.

Yep. I bought some clothe masks off of Amazon just for some small level of protection.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: lnc on April 01, 2020, 09:09:18 AM
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Asia may have been right about coronavirus and face masks, and the rest of the world is coming around

In the coming weeks, if they have not already, your government is likely to begin advising you to wear a face mask to protect against coronavirus.

For those living in Asia, such announcements will be a vindication of a tactic that has been adopted across much of the region since the beginning of the crisis and appears to have been borne out by lower rates of infection and faster containment of outbreaks.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/asia/coronavirus-mask-messaging-intl-hnk/index.html
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Kenkoko on April 01, 2020, 09:55:06 AM
Amazon is now selling N95 mask at cost.

They are currently prioritized for hospitals and government organizations. But do what you have to do, no judgement.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002YKBV2

Bare in mind this is the 8000 series, normally for construction workers. But it's still tremendously helpful.

Price is 10 pack for $13.99
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: qwerty on April 01, 2020, 10:04:06 AM
Amazon is now selling N95 mask at cost.

They are currently prioritized for hospitals and government organizations. But do what you have to do, no judgement.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002YKBV2

Bare in mind this is the 8000 series, normally for construction workers. But it's still tremendously helpful.

Price is 10 pack for $13.99

I tried ordering some gloves for my in-laws yesterday that were prioritized for healthcare professionals and while I was able to add them to the cart when I tried to checkout it wouldn’t let me. It said to call my account administrator. I didn’t call
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Kenkoko on April 01, 2020, 10:17:31 AM
Ya, this was shared to me by a friend who's a home health caretaker, taking care of elderly.

She had to call and explain her situation. They allowed her to buy.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: iacrenter on April 01, 2020, 10:48:57 AM
Please reserve N95 for healthcare workers. If you already have some, consider donating them to a hospital. Even in the hospital, regular surgical masks are acceptable for non-respiratory patients. A regular mask will be fine while buying food at the grocery store.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 01, 2020, 11:41:19 AM
I bought something like these:

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B086L5VPQB/

I know they don't offer much protection but at least if I'm infected I cut down on infecting others and there may be a requirement to wear some type of mask/bandanna in public soon (and I'm not using N95s that a healthcare worker needs).

Plus I want to look like Sub-Zero... "Finish him!!!"
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Kenkoko on April 01, 2020, 12:19:29 PM
Please reserve N95 for healthcare workers. If you already have some, consider donating them to a hospital. Even in the hospital, regular surgical masks are acceptable for non-respiratory patients. A regular mask will be fine while buying food at the grocery store.

I agree but I think there's room for exception and discretion.

First, these are the 8000 series for construction workers not the 1800 series that are for healthcare workers (fluid resistant)

Also If you are the caretaker of elderly people or is in constant exposure due to your job, it's not a terrible idea to buy a small amount. Just clean and re-use them.

This is just my opinion and I think Amazon agrees, which is why they allow you (non hospital or government worker) to make your case why you need them.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Kenkoko on April 01, 2020, 12:25:31 PM
I bought something like these:

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B086L5VPQB/

I know they don't offer much protection but at least if I'm infected I cut down on infecting others and there may be a requirement to wear some type of mask/bandanna in public soon (and I'm not using N95s that a healthcare worker needs).

Plus I want to look like Sub-Zero... "Finish him!!!"

They offer good protection.

https://medium.com/@Cancerwarrior/covid-19-why-we-should-all-wear-masks-there-is-new-scientific-rationale-280e08ceee71

Plus they look kinda badass!
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 01, 2020, 05:29:50 PM
LA county recommends non medical face coverings when in public.

All of Cali will probably follow.

My Amazon arrived today a day early.

I’m one big scary ninja.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: PSForever on April 02, 2020, 05:59:05 AM
What Are The Best Materials for Making DIY Masks?

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: lnc on April 02, 2020, 07:50:35 AM
LA county recommends non medical face coverings when in public.

All of Cali will probably follow.

My Amazon arrived today a day early.

I’m one big scary ninja.

Maybe it's time to dig out those Halloween masks and dress up as your favorite characters.  :)

More and more cities probably will follow what Laredo, Texas is doing.  Laredo will be requiring every resident older than 5 years old to wear some sort of mask when going out in public. That includes when going to the store or even pumping gas.  If people are caught not covering their nose and mouth, they face a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of up to $1,000 in Laredo.

https://abc7.com/health/$1k-fine-to-residents-caught-without-mask-in-texas-city/6070888/

Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 02, 2020, 09:07:48 AM
They offer good protection.

https://medium.com/@Cancerwarrior/covid-19-why-we-should-all-wear-masks-there-is-new-scientific-rationale-280e08ceee71

This is a great article.

What caught my eye is this image:

(https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*m_a-cX7BpzAOg5YpyDa_ZA.png)

Seems like 6 feet (over 1.5m) of separation is not enough if someone sneezes. Safest is 20 feet (6m) or more, which is why masks help.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Happiness on April 02, 2020, 10:21:11 AM
Here's the Amazon Choice for plague mask:

https://www.amazon.com/PartyCostume-Plague-Steampunk-Halloween-Costume/dp/B07CG2VH6N/ref=sr_1_18_sspa?crid=2THW9GRZ8BUES&dchild=1&keywords=guy+fawkes&qid=1585847968&sprefix=guy+f%2Cfashion%2C269&sr=8-18-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFNTUI0T0tPREFFOFImZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTAxMzI4MzMxM1lJUlBWQklLTkpMJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTAwMjkwNDExVEwyVVZUVVlLVU9UJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfbXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: akkord on April 02, 2020, 12:09:08 PM
KN95's are more readily available than N95s where there is a shortage...for mask experts are the KN95s good enough for the general public since they can't use them in hospitals even as donations?
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 02, 2020, 03:54:22 PM
Looks like OC is following state recommendation for face coverings:

https://cms.ocgov.com/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?BlobID=114753

Go ninja go ninja go!*

*Name that tune. :)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Innosint on April 02, 2020, 08:50:42 PM
Looks like OC is following state recommendation for face coverings:

https://cms.ocgov.com/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?BlobID=114753

Go ninja go ninja go!*

*Name that tune. :)

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/d9/5c/aa/d95caaf05f60274c2f76f05788ee0fee.jpg)

As home depot and Amazon stopped selling N95 mask to the public, I think it's going to be difficult to common folks to get them.

A cloth face mask is not as effective.. (really aren't) but it will prevent you from touching your nose and mouth publically.

I had a few extra respirators from my model making hobby, but that's also pretty hard to get now.

Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on April 02, 2020, 09:04:02 PM
The girl that I'm dating goes to raves so she has a few rave masks and she gave me the most subtle basic one she has.  haha
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: PSForever on April 03, 2020, 04:54:11 PM
"Demonstration (in Spanish) of masks that don’t work and work. The last two are a surgical mask and an N95."

https://twitter.com/AdolfoEdgar1980/status/1246219864945156096
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: akkord on April 03, 2020, 05:13:14 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/health/coronavirus-n95-kn95-masks.html

KN95s are now good to go.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: iacrenter on April 04, 2020, 01:01:53 AM
C.D.C. Recommends Wearing Masks

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/world/coronavirus-news.html


CITY OF IRVINE TO FOLLOW CALIFORNIA STATE GUIDELINES REGARDING FACE COVERINGS

http://www.irvinechambereconomicdevelopment.com/news/p/item/25347/city-of-irvine-to-follow-california-state-guidelines-regarding-face-coverings
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: paydawg on April 07, 2020, 06:21:52 PM
what's an appropriate filter to put into a cloth face mask?  I've seen some people recommend coffee filter, but that can't possibly provide the proper protection, right?
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Kenkoko on April 07, 2020, 07:11:53 PM
what's an appropriate filter to put into a cloth face mask?  I've seen some people recommend coffee filter, but that can't possibly provide the proper protection, right?

I think it's more important to make them comfortable so you won't feel the urge to adjust them (touch your face)

Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: PSForever on April 11, 2020, 05:43:18 AM

"The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, ... compared with the medical mask arm. ...Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%."

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

At least the cloth mask will help prevent you from touching your face.  Wonder how a cloth mask with a PM2.5 filter would help, like these: https://debriefme.com/products/black-n95?variant=14626365833258
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 11, 2020, 08:03:12 AM

"The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, ... compared with the medical mask arm. ...Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%."

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

At least the cloth mask will help prevent you from touching your face.  Wonder how a cloth mask with a PM2.5 filter would help, like these: https://debriefme.com/products/black-n95?variant=14626365833258

In a high exposure setting for healthcare workers that the article used, I would assume cloth masks are less effective.

But for public use combined with social distancing, I would hope cloth masks help more than hurt.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: qwerty on April 11, 2020, 09:12:46 AM
I think the issue with a lot of the masks is that people just put their hands all over it and don’t really know the concept of cross-contamination. I was leaving Ralph’s the other day and some guy was walking in getting ready to put on his surgeons mask.

He head handling both sides of the mask as if he had just washed his hands. So whatever he had on his hands got transferred to the inside of his mask and put right on his nose/mouth. With that said, that is from the perspective of infecting yourself, but it would help trap any particles from a sneeze, cough, breathing.  So still some benefit
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: PSForever on April 11, 2020, 07:02:41 PM
This looks like a video from Mexico.  Guy testing a few types of masks with some type of an aerosol spray can:
https://twitter.com/Alademosk/status/1246604891197505536

Here's another one, but this time with 3 layers of fabric:
https://twitter.com/SIENACobertores/status/1248734372468932609
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Kenkoko on April 12, 2020, 08:28:12 PM
Here's where you can buy 1 box of 50 surgical masks.

https://www.evike.com/products/20011/?fbclid=IwAR03bc_XgfQH-lAyRqUzrOhJqDQeSD-mwtH5askm8wK1z4InsJ_-QvkJCr8

Please only buy if you need them. They set the limit to 1 box per customer.

Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on April 13, 2020, 06:47:24 PM
Picked up a box last night.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 14, 2020, 04:58:25 PM
Saw this on NextDoor:

This is a local Tustin company that can ship in 24 hours:

https://www.bluebeatsales.com/product-category/health-care/

A little more pricey on the blue surgical masks that Ken posted but they have some of the more protective KN95 ones (please don't over order).
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on April 14, 2020, 09:58:58 PM
Saw this on NextDoor:

This is a local Tustin company that can ship in 24 hours:

https://www.bluebeatsales.com/product-category/health-care/

A little more pricey on the blue surgical masks that Ken posted but they have some of the more protective KN95 ones (please don't over order).

Thanks IHO, I picked up a box of the N95 masks.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: daedalus on April 15, 2020, 02:28:47 AM
Me too.  i cringe at how many I've thrown away over the years, because they were only a buck each or so.  Now paying for it, literally.  I have 3M respirators but they are a bit "imposing" for just making a Costco run.  Still, less conspicuous than a scuba set up.


(https://i.redd.it/gwlvs304vsq41.jpg)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: daedalus on April 16, 2020, 01:50:59 PM
That Blue Beat site is pretty price gougey.  My only option unfortunately, but they just raised their prices $10 from $55 to $65 for a 10-pack of masks.  Classic definition of price gouging.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: qwerty on April 16, 2020, 01:58:23 PM
Where is the line drawn between price gouging vs market prices (supply/demand). I’m not familiar with price gouging laws
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Kenkoko on April 16, 2020, 02:03:39 PM
Daedalus, I have a challenger to your Scuba Steve  ;D
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: daedalus on April 16, 2020, 03:50:17 PM
Where is the line drawn between price gouging vs market prices (supply/demand). I’m not familiar with price gouging laws
From ca.gov:

What is price gouging?

Price gouging refers to sellers trying to take unfair advantage of consumers during an emergency or disaster by greatly increasing prices for essential consumer goods and services.
Is price gouging illegal in California?

Yes, in certain circumstances. California’s anti-price gouging statute, Penal Code Section 396, prohibits raising the price of many consumer goods and services by more than 10% after an emergency has been declared.

Local laws may also contain their own prohibitions on price gouging.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: qwerty on April 16, 2020, 05:15:36 PM
Seems kind of hard to prove vs supply/demand.

I guess that is why we don’t see many headlines about prosecution around price gouging.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 19, 2020, 09:01:14 AM
I know qwerty doesn't like masks... but I think it's fun.

For one thing, it's convenient, don't have to worry about shaving... or brushing my teeth. :)

It's also interesting to see the types of masks people wear... from the scarfs to the homemade to the "only for healthcare" N95 masks.

Saw a couple of hardcore industrial masks with the re-breather valves... bmx/motorcycle masks seem to be popular too.

I think qwerty doesn't like wearing a mask because he's prettier than all of us.

That's the other thing... I have no idea if someone is smiling or sticking their tongue out at me.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 20, 2020, 09:10:52 AM
New England study that shows even speaking sends out particles:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800

Masks help you “say it not spray it”. :)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on April 20, 2020, 11:43:39 AM
I will pay good money for one of these masks:

https://www.screengeek.net/2020/04/16/alien-facehugger-coronavirus-mask/  (https://www.screengeek.net/2020/04/16/alien-facehugger-coronavirus-mask/)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: PSForever on April 21, 2020, 12:38:02 PM
New Testing on Best material for a mask...bandana only filters 1.6% of 0.3 micron particles  :o

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-diy-coronavirus-homemade-face-mask-material-covid/
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: aquabliss on April 21, 2020, 02:06:29 PM
Doesn't the supermarket get safer with everyone wearing a mask.  Let's say no ones wearing a mask, the droplets from talking/breathing go about 4ft, then sneezing/coughing 6-8 ft.  If everyone is wearing a mask, doesn't it greatly diminish the amount of droplets floating around in the air. 

I presume most of them would be blocked by the cloth barrier, or leak out the sides but not projecting in front of me - thus lessening my exposure to other peoples droplets and decreasing my chance for inhaling those droplets or having them land on my clothing or skin.

If there's droplets all throughout the air then I don't think wearing my mask (vs. not) will help me much because I'm gonna inhale them anyhow, but if there aren't many droplets floating around because we're all wearing masks then this should help quite a bit.

Man, I wish I could invent Coronavirus goggles that people could wear and see the virus particles in bright florescent yellow.  Everyone would want 2 pair.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: qwerty on April 21, 2020, 02:56:15 PM
I read an article about these airborne covid particles. Unless you get sneezed on directly the chance of infection is pretty low.

Because we walk so slow, any airborne particles that are light enough to be airborne would be caught in the “wind” pattern your body generates as you walk and would essentially wrap around you but you wouldn’t inhale them.

I’ll see if I can find the article. It was pretty interesting and made a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 21, 2020, 02:57:25 PM
Anyone notice in that scuba guy picture that lady in the background?

Everyone is wearing masks and she's standing there without a mask eating an open container of food. Must be a qwerty supporter. :)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 21, 2020, 03:03:13 PM
Because we walk so slow, any airborne particles that are light enough to be airborne would be caught in the “wind” pattern your body generates as you walk and would essentially wrap around you but you wouldn’t inhale them.

So we need one of these:

(https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1170150928.jpg)

:)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: eyephone on April 21, 2020, 03:05:45 PM
Because we walk so slow, any airborne particles that are light enough to be airborne would be caught in the “wind” pattern your body generates as you walk and would essentially wrap around you but you wouldn’t inhale them.

So we need one of these:

(https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1170150928.jpg)

:)

You might blow the particles to your face.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 21, 2020, 03:44:16 PM
Use reverse setting. :)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Innosint on April 21, 2020, 04:13:49 PM
then you are drawing all the surround air flowing across your face before directing them up.

sometimes you just can't win =___=
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 22, 2020, 02:58:57 PM
So I've heard about it on the news but finally saw it myself... a lady holding a mannequin head was selling masks on a street corner.

Masks are the new oranges.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: keilbros on April 24, 2020, 02:29:22 PM
I read an article about these airborne covid particles. Unless you get sneezed on directly the chance of infection is pretty low.

Because we walk so slow, any airborne particles that are light enough to be airborne would be caught in the “wind” pattern your body generates as you walk and would essentially wrap around you but you wouldn’t inhale them.

I’ll see if I can find the article. It was pretty interesting and made a lot of sense.


So from what I understand, it looks like viral load is the key factor in determining how sick you get from covid19. So if someone comes up to you and sneezes in your face..and you inhale and suck it up...you will have a harder time in rehab, than someone who was wearing a mask sneezed into the mask and some random particles happened to float your direction and somehow managed to bind to your ACE 2 receptors.

That being said, it is even slightly more effective to wear a mask even if you're not sick. Because people are asymptomatic and could be "super spreaders" Although this is a super nasty virus, the bright side is that if you look at all the deaths around the world from Covid19, I read somewhere that the average age was around 70-80 years old (like more than 80%)... If you are younger, you will probably live..although you will have fucked up lungs, possibly brain damage and a host of other shit that you just don't want to mess with.
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 24, 2020, 02:36:09 PM
Was at the Walmart in the Spectrum... some guy was arguing with a Walmart associate about why he needed to wear a mask.

I thought it was qwerty but he didn't have the calves nor the proper skin color. :)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: iacrenter on April 24, 2020, 07:23:23 PM
Was at the Walmart in the Spectrum... some guy was arguing with a Walmart associate about why he needed to wear a mask.

I thought it was qwerty but he didn't have the calves nor the proper skin color. :)

Just call IPD and they will use the pincer pole :)

(https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/aap-nw-aap.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/31210502/2862028f-925c-440b-9128-addda3d76021.jpg?v=1585649103)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 25, 2020, 10:33:48 AM
So new mask industry... fashion scarves that turn into masks:

(https://imcut.jollychic.com//uploads/jollyimg/imageLibrary/201903/316/08/IL201903081133066240.jpg)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 29, 2020, 10:40:30 AM
So this is why qwerty won't wear a mask:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/here-s-why-some-people-are-not-wearing-masks-during-n1200701

Quote
"People are constantly calculating the gain/loss of doing everyday things like going to the grocery store and not wearing a mask," she said. "Some will go for the shortcut."

The refusal to wear a mask, which has been mandated in numerous cities and states, allegedly figured in the death of security guard Calvin Munerlyn, 43, who was fatally shot after he barred a customer from a Family Dollar store in Flint, Michigan, because she wasn't wearing a mask.

Munerlyn's death placed a spotlight on the people whose job it has become to enforce regulations that rub a lot of people wrong.

"In general, people do not like to be told what to do,” said Elizabeth Dorrance Hall, a professor of communication at Michigan State University.

“Their reactions to being told what to do, however, vary,” Dorrance Hall said in an email. “For example, if a person was told not to eat cake at a birthday party, they may seek to restore their freedom directly by doing the forbidden act.”

Or, Dorrance Hall said, they might express anger at the person denying them cake or “exercise a different freedom to regain the feeling of control and choice” by eating something else like potato chips, Hall said.

Some groups, like adolescents, are more prone to riskier behavior like going without masks, Gollan added.

"Sometimes it’s a matter of wanting to control one’s own behavior and in wanting to feel like they’re in control they will do something like this," Gollan said.

"Sometimes, it's a matter of people thinking that wearing a mask doesn't work, or they disbelieve the science."

Why didn't qwerty protest about the death of Calvin Munerlyn? Is dying from enforcing a rule less tragic than what happened to Floyd?
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: qwerty on May 29, 2020, 11:08:40 AM
I don’t protest. I mind my own business. Perhaps I’m part of the problem. I have a corporate job and and if I said anything or did anything that the public would perceive as negative it could cost me my job. I don’t post anything on any social media sights because the wrong thing can get you fired.

So I value my money more than “doing the right thing”. All I care about is setting up my kids for a better life than I had. Anything else is just noise.

You think it’s some sort of cop out argument but ever since I can remember I have held the view that people die everyday and it doesn’t bother me. The death part doesn’t bother me. They way someone dies may bother me. I’m tired of seeing white cops kill black people with no real consequence. The cop just got arrested. But I wouldn’t be surprised if the guy gets off. I guess it’s the inequality and abuse of power that bothers me. Not just with the police but anywhere. And the fact that it just happens again and again with no consequence bothers me. I can only imagine what black people feel like.

Random acts of stupidity that end up in death are more frequent and don’t bother me the same way deaths from the abuse of power bother me. Covid deaths fall under the “not much you can do about it” category. You think the covid deaths can be avoided. I think they can be delayed. For the time being at least. We will see what happens with a treatment/vaccine.  But like I have said before. If you are predisposed to death die to covid you may die anyway if there is a treatment/vaccine.

In a world that was less PC, perhaps I would be more vocal. But when I retire, the gloves are coming off :-)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 29, 2020, 12:09:06 PM
You don't post on social media because you would get lambasted for what you think "flattening the curve" is. :)

I don't think anyone on TI agrees with your viewpoint that it only delays deaths and that it would be the same number regardless. If so, it's only to spite me, but they know the real science... or why would every medical-related person in the world recommend it?

Did you find that article that says flattening the curve just delays the number of deaths?

This would be like me saying that lockdowns don't hurt the economy... it just pauses it. :)

Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 22, 2020, 08:49:15 PM
Why are masks a "liberal" or "leftist" thing?

Aren't they just a safety/health protocol?
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: PSForever on June 29, 2020, 07:07:55 AM
As IUSD considers a hybrid model, will they require all staff and students to wear NON-valved masks (ie. masks WITHOUT exhalation valves).

"As you inhale, the incoming air is filtered. As you exhale, the outgoing mixture of carbon dioxide, oxygen, water vapor and, yes, possibly COVID-19 viral particles releases unfiltered. The San Francisco Department of Public Health actually tweeted a warning that these masks “may actually propel your germs further." 
https://healthnewshub.org/health-news-hub/top-news/do-not-use-a-mask-with-a-filtered-valve-it-can-spread-covid-19/
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: zubs on June 30, 2020, 09:57:30 AM
More and more states are finally mandating masks.  It took so long to get here. How much money and lives would have been saved if state governments had mandated masks in MAR?  Or if Trump had mandated masks by executive order in MAR?

The states not mandating masks are stupid because we are in the middle of a pandemic.  Why does trump hate america?
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: Compressed-Village on June 30, 2020, 01:24:58 PM
More and more states are finally mandating masks.  It took so long to get here. How much money and lives would we have been saved if state governments had mandated masks in MAR?  Or if Trump had mandated masks by executive order in MAR?

The states not mandating masks are stupid because we are in the middle of a pandemic.  Why does trump hate america?

Because he wants to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. :)
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: PSForever on July 06, 2020, 01:17:49 PM

How Well Do Masks Work? (Schlieren Imaging In Slow Motion!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=436&v=0Tp0zB904Mc&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: PSForever on July 09, 2020, 09:23:18 AM
 
The San Francisco Bay Area has become the first region in the US to say that masks with valves are not acceptable face protection amid the coronavirus pandemic.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8266171/Bay-Area-says-masks-valves-not-acceptable-face-protection-amid-coronavirus-pandemic.html
Title: Re: Masks?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 09, 2020, 09:43:08 AM
Next viral video:

Man with valve mask argues with man with no-valve mask.

:)
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