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General => Water Cooler => Topic started by: Liar Loan on December 04, 2018, 01:58:52 PM

Title: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Liar Loan on December 04, 2018, 01:58:52 PM
It's time to start a new political thread!!

And what better way to kick off this topic then to announce the sad news that CPL won't be running for President after all:

Avenatti announces that he will not run for president in 2020
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After months of meetings and speaking events designed to lay the groundwork for a possible presidential bid, hard-charging Los Angeles attorney Michael Avenatti announced Tuesday he will not run in 2020.

Avenatti, best known for representing porn star Stormy Daniels, said the decision came after consultation with his family.

"I do not make this decision lightly — I make it out of respect for my family. But for their concerns, I would run," Avenatti, a father of two teenage girls and a 4-year-old boy, said in a statement.

Avenatti’s decision to close the door on a 2020 bid, which he announced in a statement posted on Twitter, comes amid a crush of court hearings and legal proceedings that continue to dog him, including a domestic violence case in which he might face a misdemeanor charge and an ongoing divorce from his second wife.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/04/avenatti-announces-that-he-will-not-run-for-president-in-2020-1043388
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on December 04, 2018, 02:53:51 PM
one down, 29 more to go

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Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on January 19, 2019, 10:34:42 AM
Ahhh fake news let me count the ways to discredit you.....

Although the details about what it got wrong are still sketchy, BuzzFeed News' apparently mistaken story about Michael Cohen and President Donald Trump is the highest profile misstep yet for a news organization during a period of heightened and intense scrutiny of the press.

No news outlet, for example, has been able to corroborate the Guardian's story in late November about a secret meeting between Trump's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, and Julian Assange, who heads WikiLeaks, the online organization that leaked thousands of emails apparently stolen by Russian hackers from the Democratic National Committee. Manafort and WikiLeaks disputed the story, which implied a connection between the Trump campaign and the leaks. The Guardian has stood by the story.

Last month, McClatchy reported that unidentified intelligence agencies had picked up cellphone signals indicating that Cohen had traveled to Prague at the height of the presidential campaign in 2016 Lending credence to claims in the disputed Steele Dossier that Cohen had met secretly there with Russian officials to coordinate with Trump's campaign. Cohen has denied the story, which also hasn't been confirmed by another news organization.

CNN has published at least two disputed stories on the Russia probe.

The first, in June 2017, reported that Congress was investigating a Russian investment fund with ties to Trump transition officials. CNN retracted the article, which was based on a single anonymous source, but never said it was inaccurate; it also forced three journalists responsible for its publication to resign.

A second CNN article in July reported that Michael Cohen intended to tell Mueller that Trump had approved a fateful meeting at Trump Tower in June 2016 between Russian operatives and his top campaign officials, Manafort, Donald Trump Jr. and son-in-law Jared Kushner. Although one of the story's key sources - Cohen's lawyer, Lanny Davis - recanted his support for the claim after publication, CNN has also stood by this story, which was co-written by Carl Bernstein, one of The Washington Post's legendary Watergate reporters.

BuzzFeed has also faced a buzz saw of criticism from Trump supporters for publishing the Steele Dossier, a collection of unconfirmed reports alleging that Russian officials held compromising information about Trump, that was compiled by Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer. Trump has repeatedly denounced it as "bogus" and "a pile of garbage."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/lifestyle/style/buzzfeeds-stumble-fuels-doubts-about-the-press-even-if-a-few-details-are-missing/2019/01/19/b509ed32-1b93-11e9-88fe-f9f77a3bcb6c_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/lifestyle/style/buzzfeeds-stumble-fuels-doubts-about-the-press-even-if-a-few-details-are-missing/2019/01/19/b509ed32-1b93-11e9-88fe-f9f77a3bcb6c_story.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on January 19, 2019, 11:03:07 AM
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Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on January 28, 2019, 12:31:35 PM
Kamala Harris had affair with Willie Brown to further her career:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/01/27/willie-brown-kamala-harris-san-francisco-chronicle-letter/2695143002/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatodaycomwashington-topstories
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on January 28, 2019, 02:19:38 PM
Bolregard, which thread did I leave that fainting couch in?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Liar Loan on February 05, 2019, 07:43:57 PM
It's obvious which party is more appealing to the KKK.

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard gets 2020 endorsement from David Duke
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Democratic presidential hopeful Rep. Tulsi Gabbard has apparently gotten an endorsement she said she can do without — from former KKK leader David Duke.

The 68-year-old white supremacist and former GOP Louisiana state senator plastered a banner on his Twitter page prominently featuring a photograph of the Hawaiian lawmaker.

“Tulsi Gabbard for President,” it blares, along with the tagline: “Finally a candidate who will actually put America First rather than Israel First!”

“Tulsi Gabbard is currently the only Presidential candidate who doesn’t want to send White children off to die for Israel,” the former Grand Wizard tweeted his more than 50,000 followers along with a photograph of Gabbard meeting a US service member and his child.

https://nypost.com/2019/02/05/rep-tulsi-gabbard-gets-2020-endorsement-from-david-duke/


Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on February 05, 2019, 07:58:24 PM
Good speech, I think he is a horrible speech giver but it was well written and he pretty much stayed on message...his numbers will rise.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on February 06, 2019, 06:43:20 AM
Goos speech, I think he is a horrible speech giver but it was well written and he pretty much stayed on message...his numbers will rise.

did you notice that all the women dressed in white gave the largest applause for...themselves?  LOL

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Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on February 07, 2019, 10:56:54 AM
Please, Please, Please be their platform for 2020...

The “Green New Deal” begins by asserting “human activity is the dominant cause of observed climate change over the past century” — far beyond the “consensus” that humans have some significant impact on global temperature.

It goes on to declare that “a changing climate is causing sea levels to rise and an increase in wildfires, severe storms, droughts, and other extreme weather events that threaten human life” — all speculative claims that even scientists who endorse anthropogenic global warming (AGW) are hesitant to endorse.

It predicts the U.S. will lose $500 billion in annual output by 2100 due to climate change — which, even if true, would be a tiny percentage.

Next, Ocasio-Cortez and Markey claim that the U.S. is experiencing “a 4-decade trend of economic stagnation, deindustrialization, and antilabor policies” — a statement that defies the actual data on economic growth and the revival of manufacturing in recent years, including rising wages for blue-collar workers.

The legislation then laments “erosion of the … bargaining power of workers in the United States” — as if picket lines had something to do with the environment. It also claims that climate change has “exacerbated systemic racial … ” injustices,” among other inequalities.

The latter two concerns have nothing to do with climate change — except in that left-wing environmental policies have tended to increase, rather than decrease, income inequality. Restrictive building codes, for example, have contributed to a housing shortage that has seen the middle class leave coastal cities and suburbs.

The bill also asserts that climate change is a “direct threat” to national security, citing the very indirect threats climate change allegedly poses to “stability” in other countries, and as a “threat multiplier” to the U.S.

It goes on to claim that the New Deal “created the greatest middle class the United States has ever seen,” but that it also excluded “many members of frontline and vulnerable communities.”

To address the failures of the New Deal — the cherished achievement of the Democratic Party for generations — Ocasio-Cortez and Markey propose a “green” version whose goal is to “create millions of good, high-wage jobs” but also to “counteract systemic injustices.”

It is unclear what, if anything, that has to do with the environment.

Indeed, the first goals of the proposed “Green New Deal” include securing “community resiliency” and “repairing historic oppression” of almost every class of victims the authors can imagine.

(Note: the legislation fails to mention — even once — the historic oppression of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer communities. This is a homophobic and transphobic document.)

The core of the Green New Deal is a proposal, within 10 years, to eliminate “pollution and greenhouse gas emissions” and to meet “100 percent of the power demand in the United States through clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources.”

Not even California, the most ambitious environmental state, proposes to achieve that until 2045 — and even California has no idea how to run the world’s 5th-largest economy on wind and sunshine alone.

Furthermore, the authors say they will proceed “through transparent and inclusive consultation, collaboration, and partnership with frontline and vulnerable communities, labor unions, worker cooperatives [are we literally in the Soviet Union now?], civil society groups, academia, and businesses.”

Ocasio-Cortez, 29, has clearly never participated in a public planning process. Markey is a political veteran at 72; what’s his excuse?

The Green New Deal will also “guarantee” a job with a family-sustaining wage, adequate family and medical leave, paid vacations, and retirement security to all people [note: not “citizens” or even “legal residents”] of the United States.” It will also provide “high-quality health care”; “affordable, safe, and adequate housing”; and health and affordable food.” And it bans unfair “domination and competition” from monopolies — except the state, of course.

Funding for all of this is to come through “community grants, public banks [whatever those are], and other public financing.”

There is no mention of the 70% marginal income tax that Ocasio-Cortez has recently proposed to fund what even NPR admits would be the “trillions upon trillions of dollars” it would cost to implement the Green New Deal.

And all decisions are also to be made only after “obtaining the the free, prior, and informed consent of indigenous people for all decisions that affect indigenous people and their traditional territories” — presumably, even outside their present lands.

The Green New Deal, in short, is a document worthy of a 19th-century communist manifesto — or a 21st-century undergraduate student council resolution. It presents claims unsupported by scientific evidence; makes demands for every benefit imaginable; and has no idea how to build or pay for any of it.

It reads like a Republican parody of the Democratic platform.

The best part: they are serious.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on February 08, 2019, 11:00:52 AM
Yesss!!! Endorse!  Please!!

https://youtu.be/uq-v1TTUyhM

https://youtu.be/uq-v1TTUyhM (https://youtu.be/uq-v1TTUyhM)

How the Green New Deal is shaping the race for president

In addition to Sens. Cory Booker of New Jersey, Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, Kamala Harris of California and Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, all co-sponsors of Thursday’s plan, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee is preparing a possible presidential bid that would focus almost entirely on climate issues.

That sort of emphasis will be crucial, said former California Gov. Jerry Brown, who has twice run for president.

“To make climate change an important [campaign] issue that moves people will require enormous imagination,” he said. “There are some broad shoulders required.”

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-green-new-deal-20190207-story.html (http://[b)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on February 11, 2019, 09:39:09 AM
Good speech, I think he is a horrible speech giver but it was well written and he pretty much stayed on message...his numbers will rise.

Told ya...

Trump's approval rating among likely voters soars to his best in 23 MONTHS at 52 per cent after State of the Union address as border-wall shutdown talks intensify

Rasmussen Reports poll as Trump at 52 per cent approval, his best showing in 23 months and a higher number than his winning edge in 2016
Significant up-swing since government-shutdown low of 43 per cent
New numbers were collected in the three days immediately following State of the Union address
Asked what Monday's number mean, a senior Democratic House aide confided on background: 'I don't know yet if it's horrible, but it sure isn't good'
Polling average is just 42.4 per cent, including mostly those surveys that are open to all Americans; Rasmussen polls only 'likely voters'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6691891/Trumps-approval-rating-likely-voters-soars-best-23-MONTHS-52-cent.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6691891/Trumps-approval-rating-likely-voters-soars-best-23-MONTHS-52-cent.html)

RCP Average           1/24 - 2/10   --   42.4   54.2   -11.8
Rasmussen Reports   2/6 - 2/10   1500 LV   52   47   +5
The Hill/HarrisX           2/7 - 2/8    1002 RV   47   53    -6
Economist/YouGov   2/2 - 2/5   1294 RV   42   54   -12
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on February 24, 2019, 08:18:12 PM
Ha ha...never what they expect, winning will always surprise them.

Trump’s Secret to Victory in 2020: Hispanic Voters
Yes, it’s true: The man who wants to build a wall to keep out immigrants is winning over just enough Latinos to get re-elected. Unless Democrats figure out how to stop him.

When President Donald Trump tweeted, on January 20, that he had reached 50 percent approval among Hispanic-Americans, most fair-minded observers reacted with skepticism, if not outright disbelief. Trump was, after all, still the same man who announced his candidacy by accusing Mexico of sending “rapists” across the border, the same man who ordered refugee children separated from their parents, the same man who has made building a wall to shut out migrants the focal point of his presidency. Yet here he was, crowing characteristic bravado: “Wow, just heard that my poll numbers with Hispanics has gone up 19%, to 50%. That is because they know the Border issue better than anyone, and they want Security, which can only be gotten with a Wall.”

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/24/2020-hispanic-voters-donald-trump-225192 (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/24/2020-hispanic-voters-donald-trump-225192)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Loco_local on February 25, 2019, 07:48:05 PM
Florida Hispanics aka Cubans usually vote Republican anyway, but Florida will probably go Democrat if they really allow felons to vote this time. Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania were always suspicious wins. I suspect there was voter fraud involved. It would be ironic if the hackers removed latinos from the voter rolls thinking they were going to vote Democrat even though they really support Trump. In North Carolina they will just throw away the ballots (I wonder if they opened them first).
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 25, 2019, 10:47:36 PM
Florida Hispanics aka Cubans usually vote Republican anyway, but Florida will probably go Democrat if they really allow felons to vote this time. Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania were always suspicious wins. I suspect there was voter fraud involved. It would be ironic if the hackers removed latinos from the voter rolls thinking they were going to vote Democrat even though they really support Trump. In North Carolina they will just throw away the ballots (I wonder if they opened them first).

So...people voting for Dems = fraud.

Of course...dont mind the actual people caught doing voter fraud are GOPers...oh also proponents of gerrymeandering.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 25, 2019, 10:54:52 PM
I love it...polls are wrong and stupid except for the one that supports Trumps.  You may also want to check the sample size in that poll

Let see what happens.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 28, 2019, 12:38:14 PM
Speaking of polls:

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Which brings me to Gallup’s 2019 report on global ratings of the world’s leadership. Gallup’s report shows that the median global approval rating for the U.S. among adults in 133 countries was 31 percent in 2018, with large disapproval ratings, including among some of America’s strongest, oldest allies. This number is basically unchanged from the record low the U.S. set in 2017.

These numbers are a clear warning to the U.S. A wake-up call that represents a struggle between democracy and authoritarianism. The world has lost trust and confidence in America. As we know, trust and confidence are the coins of the realm in all matters and especially in international relations.

China and Russia have gained ground, however, according to the new report. After tying with the U.S. in 2017, China’s leadership edged ahead in 2018. At 34 percent, this is China’s highest median leadership approval rating since 2009.

Russia’s approval rating rose to 30 percent in 2018, tying its previous high in 2008. It’s worth noting that the approval ratings of the U.S. and Russia are now on par for the first time.

The world disapproved of U.S. leadership more than the leadership of these other countries in 2018. The median U.S. disapproval rating was 40 percent. This disapproval rating of U.S. leadership was higher than disapproval ratings of Germany’s (22 percent), China’s (28 percent) or Russia’s (31 percent).

When you review U.S. disapproval ratings in nations that have been historically reliable allies over the years, the picture is very bleak. In the U.K., 64 percent disapprove of U.S. leadership; Germany, 73 percent disapprove; France, 65 percent disapprove; and Canada, 79 percent disapprove, to name a few. These ratings speak to the seriousness of where America is today in the eyes of the world.

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/432051-gallups-global-leadership-ratings-a-needed-wake-up-call-for-us

From last year:

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https://news.gallup.com/poll/225761/world-approval-leadership-drops-new-low.aspx

It's not a zero sum game!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 28, 2019, 01:01:30 PM
While incumbents are usually tough to beat... I'm hoping for a Dem victory.

While my views align more with Republican/Libertarian policies I just can't handle another term of Trump.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Mety on February 28, 2019, 01:28:32 PM
While incumbents are usually tough to beat... I'm hoping for a Dem victory.

While my views align more with Republican/Libertarian policies I just can't handle another term of Trump.

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Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on February 28, 2019, 02:06:53 PM
Speaking of polls:

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Which brings me to Gallup’s 2019 report on global ratings of the world’s leadership. Gallup’s report shows that the median global approval rating for the U.S. among adults in 133 countries was 31 percent in 2018, with large disapproval ratings, including among some of America’s strongest, oldest allies. This number is basically unchanged from the record low the U.S. set in 2017.

These numbers are a clear warning to the U.S. A wake-up call that represents a struggle between democracy and authoritarianism. The world has lost trust and confidence in America. As we know, trust and confidence are the coins of the realm in all matters and especially in international relations.

China and Russia have gained ground, however, according to the new report. After tying with the U.S. in 2017, China’s leadership edged ahead in 2018. At 34 percent, this is China’s highest median leadership approval rating since 2009.

Russia’s approval rating rose to 30 percent in 2018, tying its previous high in 2008. It’s worth noting that the approval ratings of the U.S. and Russia are now on par for the first time.

The world disapproved of U.S. leadership more than the leadership of these other countries in 2018. The median U.S. disapproval rating was 40 percent. This disapproval rating of U.S. leadership was higher than disapproval ratings of Germany’s (22 percent), China’s (28 percent) or Russia’s (31 percent).

When you review U.S. disapproval ratings in nations that have been historically reliable allies over the years, the picture is very bleak. In the U.K., 64 percent disapprove of U.S. leadership; Germany, 73 percent disapprove; France, 65 percent disapprove; and Canada, 79 percent disapprove, to name a few. These ratings speak to the seriousness of where America is today in the eyes of the world.

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/432051-gallups-global-leadership-ratings-a-needed-wake-up-call-for-us

From last year:

(https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/wtxqzd_wkky93tl1nylhew.png)

https://news.gallup.com/poll/225761/world-approval-leadership-drops-new-low.aspx

It's not a zero sum game!

So they hate us but we love us...who cares what they think?

Americans' Perceptions of U.S. World Image Best Since 2003

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Fifty-eight percent of Americans believe the U.S. rates "very" or "somewhat favorably" in the world's eyes. Though the current figure is up just slightly from the 55% recorded last year, it represents the highest figure Gallup has found since 2003.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/247064/americans-perceptions-world-image-best-2003.aspx (https://news.gallup.com/poll/247064/americans-perceptions-world-image-best-2003.aspx)

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 28, 2019, 05:11:58 PM
Americans' Perceptions of U.S. World Image Best Since 2003

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Fifty-eight percent of Americans believe the U.S. rates "very" or "somewhat favorably" in the world's eyes. Though the current figure is up just slightly from the 55% recorded last year, it represents the highest figure Gallup has found since 2003.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/247064/americans-perceptions-world-image-best-2003.aspx (https://news.gallup.com/poll/247064/americans-perceptions-world-image-best-2003.aspx)

Because delusion and ignorance are not things we are shooting for?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on February 28, 2019, 06:56:28 PM
So these people are ignorant?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on February 28, 2019, 08:02:31 PM
So these people are ignorant?

Yes...if those people think that the rest of the world loves the US when in reality the rest of world dislikes the US a lot. 

Did you actually read the article....or the quote you selected?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 02, 2019, 11:37:12 AM
Amazing to watch narratives change every week. From the reliably right wing shill USAToday:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/03/01/donald-trump-tax-cut-refunds-irs-kamala-harris-column/3026996002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/03/01/donald-trump-tax-cut-refunds-irs-kamala-harris-column/3026996002/)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 02, 2019, 11:58:44 AM
Amazing to watch narratives change every week. From the reliably right wing shill USAToday:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/03/01/donald-trump-tax-cut-refunds-irs-kamala-harris-column/3026996002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/03/01/donald-trump-tax-cut-refunds-irs-kamala-harris-column/3026996002/)

It is an opinion piece so alleged political leaning of the media is irrelevant.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 02, 2019, 12:27:30 PM
Yes, it's an opinion piece.

Try a few of they hyperlinks imbedded in the article. I think the first one is directly to the IRS data, so pretty non partisan fact based stuff. At the end of the opinion piece the writer underscores that it's still too early to know the full results. That's the correct way to look at this issue, not to jump all over it early as some have.

Also, USAToday is hardly a right wing media outlet. It was surprising to see it there.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on March 02, 2019, 01:01:38 PM
Amazing to watch narratives change every week. From the reliably right wing shill USAToday:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/03/01/donald-trump-tax-cut-refunds-irs-kamala-harris-column/3026996002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/03/01/donald-trump-tax-cut-refunds-irs-kamala-harris-column/3026996002/)

It is an opinion piece so alleged political leaning of the media is irrelevant.

Yes agree

And what exactly is the point ? Get a little more money in your pocket temporarily, so one is expected to ignore everything else . The stock market rally didn’t exactly help the republicans in 2018 elections now, did it ?

But people have to keep clutching at straws ...
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 04, 2019, 11:28:13 AM
Yes, it's an opinion piece.

Try a few of they hyperlinks imbedded in the article. I think the first one is directly to the IRS data, so pretty non partisan fact based stuff. At the end of the opinion piece the writer underscores that it's still too early to know the full results. That's the correct way to look at this issue, not to jump all over it early as some have.

Also, USAToday is hardly a right wing media outlet. It was surprising to see it there.

Data is always up for interpretations...otherwise most financial industry would be gone.

Again...it is an opinion piece and most legit media sources try for balance, including inviting sources from all across the spectrum.  For all the attacks on CNN, they invite guests and commentators across the board.

As for the tax issue, Trump should have learned from Obama that people don't notice marginal increases in their paychecks...heck i dont remember the last time i even looked at my paystub.  Getting a refund for a lot of people is a big thing.

On a macro point, most economists agree that the tax cuts had very little effect on things like jobs as much went to corporations and stock buybacks.  On the flip side, we are at $22 trillion on the deficit but the GOP doesnt care about that now
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 04, 2019, 08:47:31 PM
The irony is too delicious to pass up. While the Dems trip over themselves to see who can lurch further left of their new star Alexandria occasional cortex, her own mother blows her home town because (amongst other reasons) the taxes are too high and she flees to the low tax state of Florida...ouch!

'God played quite a joke on me with this politics stuff!' The privacy-loving mother of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez whips up lasagna as she tells how she had to flee New York because of high taxes and gushes about wedding bells for her daughter

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6748793/Alexandria-Ocasio-Cortezs-mother-tells-hopes-daughter-marries-longtime-boyfriend.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6748793/Alexandria-Ocasio-Cortezs-mother-tells-hopes-daughter-marries-longtime-boyfriend.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on March 05, 2019, 04:21:37 AM
Meh .. this is far bigger .

We finally have a state media just like other places like China and North Korea


So every conservative up in arms about media bias is totally silent on this New Yorker story  ... self appointed media watchdogs would have be rabid dogs on a bone if this were CNN and a Democrat

“Fox News HAD the story of Trump's hush money payoffs to Stormy Daniels BEFORE the election but killed it because the reporter said she was told, "Good reporting Kiddo, but Rupert Murdoch wants Donald Trump to win. So set it aside." Reporter sued, is bound by an NDA.”

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/03/11/the-making-of-the-fox-news-white-house/amp?__twitter_impression=true


And compare this to the “liberal” NYT which single handedly killed Clinton’s campaign by breaking the email server story ...
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 05, 2019, 08:15:19 AM
Even if true the story got more than its share of coverage on every other network and  paper.  One outlet spiking a story can't kill it if every other network is screaming it.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 05, 2019, 08:42:45 AM
So getting back to the election, are the results of the 2018 midterms indicative of what we will see in 2020?

I realize both sides think they won, but from my more neutral position, I do think the Dems were the "victor" in that election.

Although, I do think it will depend on who comes out on the Dem side. If it's Hillary 2.0, not sure that will work, Michelle Obama would have a better chance. Heck, Tipper Gore would have a better chance. :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 05, 2019, 09:17:03 AM
So getting back to the election, are the results of the 2018 midterms indicative of what we will see in 2020?

I realize both sides think they won, but from my more neutral position, I do think the Dems were the "victor" in that election.

Although, I do think it will depend on who comes out on the Dem side. If it's Hillary 2.0, not sure that will work, Michelle Obama would have a better chance. Heck, Tipper Gore would have a better chance. :)

I still never understood the hatred for Hillary but that's history at this point.

I think it depends on who shakes out from the Dem field and how the economy is in a year...Trump has no real accomplishments other than the tax cuts and that doesn't seem like it is panning out to any sort of political capital.   If the CBO is accurate, we are looking at meh growth in 2019 and poor growth in 2020.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on March 05, 2019, 09:42:08 AM
Even if true the story got more than its share of coverage on every other network and  paper.  One outlet spiking a story can't kill it if every other network is screaming it.

No attention to detail as usual

This is BEFORE the election when everyone here was hyperventilating over Hillary clintons email server
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on March 05, 2019, 09:43:18 AM
Has WTTTCHMN reported yet on the latest Newport Beach school hate incident ? Made the NY post headline
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 05, 2019, 10:02:15 AM
Even if true the story got more than its share of coverage on every other network and  paper.  One outlet spiking a story can't kill it if every other network is screaming it.

No attention to detail as usual

This is BEFORE the election when everyone here was hyperventilating over Hillary clintons email server


No one cares. I know you wish they did but they just don't. Can't prove a negative but no one would have cared then and no one really cares now.  This story has all but already disappeared into the next cycle...and like that...he's gone.

https://youtu.be/IkJqKOb0ZhY

https://youtu.be/IkJqKOb0ZhY (https://youtu.be/IkJqKOb0ZhY)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 05, 2019, 10:06:36 AM
Even if true the story got more than its share of coverage on every other network and  paper.  One outlet spiking a story can't kill it if every other network is screaming it.

No attention to detail as usual

This is BEFORE the election when everyone here was hyperventilating over Hillary clintons email server


No one cares. I know you wish they did but they just don't. Can't prove a negative but no one would have cared then and no one really cares now.  This story has all but already disappeared into the next cycle...and like that...he's gone.


Weird how nothing matters re Trump but yet Trump and Trumpsters still want to investigate Hillary.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 05, 2019, 10:24:38 AM
Not really she is not relevant.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on March 05, 2019, 12:04:43 PM
Even if true the story got more than its share of coverage on every other network and  paper.  One outlet spiking a story can't kill it if every other network is screaming it.

No attention to detail as usual

This is BEFORE the election when everyone here was hyperventilating over Hillary clintons email server


No one cares. I know you wish they did but they just don't. Can't prove a negative but no one would have cared then and no one really cares now.  This story has all but already disappeared into the next cycle...and like that...he's gone.


Weird how nothing matters re Trump but yet Trump and Trumpsters still want to investigate Hillary.

Yeah I know

Was just pointing out the moronic -

“ nothing matters until it is something I want to focus on”

Shame that the recent posts timeline continues to be polluted w his nonsense
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 06, 2019, 12:28:19 PM
This pretty much sums up the Trump philosophy of government

Quote
Senate Republicans are not voting on constitutionality or precedent, they are voting on desperately needed Border Security & the Wall,” Trump wrote. “Our Country is being invaded with Drugs, Human Traffickers, & Criminals of all shapes and sizes. That’s what this vote is all about. STAY UNITED!”

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-pushes-gop-not-against-190644028.html
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 08, 2019, 09:05:05 AM
20K job gain in February...probably a blip on the screen but worth noting. 

No deal with China, NK restarting missile program, slowing economy...doesn't look great for Trump 2020 but it's still very far away from November 2020.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 08, 2019, 09:33:18 AM
I'm going to pull a morekaos and predict that Trump will *not* win in 2020.

Or I'm moving to Canada.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 08, 2019, 09:39:21 AM
I'm going to pull a morekaos and predict that Trump will *not* win in 2020.

Or I'm moving to Canada.

If Trump gets re-elected in 2020...there is a non-zero chances that United States will invade Canada.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 08, 2019, 09:40:09 AM
I'm going to pull a morekaos and predict that Trump will *not* win in 2020.

Or I'm moving to Canada.

You're on!  I think he will win, and possibly by more than people think.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 08, 2019, 09:45:00 AM
I'm going to pull a morekaos and predict that Trump will *not* win in 2020.

Or I'm moving to Canada.

You're on!  I think he will win, and possibly by more than people think.

Sure you do...you thought the Dems lost the midterm election too.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 08, 2019, 10:20:22 AM
I'll stick with the premise I pushed prior to the last presidential election.

We shall surely see in short order. I have said since the start of Trumps run that he significantly under polls. His candidacy now depends on that.  Its been my experience, (and i deal with people all over the country), that most are hesitant to admit publicly that they are voting for this guy.  However, Quite a few privately say they will. We will find out if its enough in a few weeks.

Now you're using anecdotes to prove dozens of scientific polls by many different pollsters are wrong.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on March 08, 2019, 11:22:36 AM
I'll stick with the premise I pushed prior to the last presidential election.

We shall surely see in short order. I have said since the start of Trumps run that he significantly under polls. His candidacy now depends on that.  Its been my experience, (and i deal with people all over the country), that most are hesitant to admit publicly that they are voting for this guy.  However, Quite a few privately say they will. We will find out if its enough in a few weeks.

Now you're using anecdotes to prove dozens of scientific polls by many different pollsters are wrong.

piggybacking on this - it's still taboo to support the president in public.  all your precious polls will ring even more false than the last time  >:D
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 08, 2019, 11:29:48 AM
I'll stick with the premise I pushed prior to the last presidential election.

We shall surely see in short order. I have said since the start of Trumps run that he significantly under polls. His candidacy now depends on that.  Its been my experience, (and i deal with people all over the country), that most are hesitant to admit publicly that they are voting for this guy.  However, Quite a few privately say they will. We will find out if its enough in a few weeks.

Now you're using anecdotes to prove dozens of scientific polls by many different pollsters are wrong.

piggybacking on this - it's still taboo to support the president in public.  all your precious polls will ring even more false than the last time  >:D

You keeping feeding this narrative that the polls were wrong...polls were exactly on point...Hillary won the popular vote by 2 to 3 points...only issue was the EC.  Trump won because of about 107K votes in 3 states.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 08, 2019, 11:52:26 AM
That's not how it was perceived then. Not much was learned by your side so I suspect the same outcome.

Let's not confuse national polls with probability of winning the electoral college and therefore becoming President. The latter is still showing a ~74% chance Clinton would be the next President, if the election were held today.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Trump's probability has doubled from ~13% a couple weeks ago to ~26% today! I'm guessing his low energy odd photo op with the Mexican President yesterday, followed immediately by his HIGH energy bombastic contradictory speech in AZ last night might cause his poll numbers some pain.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 08, 2019, 12:00:15 PM
I'm going to pull a morekaos and predict that Trump will *not* win in 2020.

Or I'm moving to Canada.

You're on!  I think he will win, and possibly by more than people think.

Dang. Need to practice my "aboot"s and "hoser"s and get some toonies to buy tons of poutine.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on March 08, 2019, 02:26:51 PM
I'll stick with the premise I pushed prior to the last presidential election.

We shall surely see in short order. I have said since the start of Trumps run that he significantly under polls. His candidacy now depends on that.  Its been my experience, (and i deal with people all over the country), that most are hesitant to admit publicly that they are voting for this guy.  However, Quite a few privately say they will. We will find out if its enough in a few weeks.

Now you're using anecdotes to prove dozens of scientific polls by many different pollsters are wrong.

piggybacking on this - it's still taboo to support the president in public.  all your precious polls will ring even more false than the last time  >:D

You keeping feeding this narrative that the polls were wrong...polls were exactly on point...Hillary won the popular vote by 2 to 3 points...only issue was the EC.  Trump won because of about 107K votes in 3 states.

whatever helps you sleep at night  :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on March 08, 2019, 02:29:38 PM
I'm going to pull a morekaos and predict that Trump will *not* win in 2020.

Or I'm moving to Canada.

You're on!  I think he will win, and possibly by more than people think.

Dang. Need to practice my "aboot"s and "hoser"s and get some toonies to buy tons of poutine.

i'll believe it when i see it  ;D

Quote
20 Stars Who Pledged to Flee the Country If Trump Was Elected: Where Are They Now?

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists/20-stars-who-pledged-flee-country-trump-was-elected-are-they-945888 (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists/20-stars-who-pledged-flee-country-trump-was-elected-are-they-945888)

(spoiler: they all still live in america)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 14, 2019, 10:38:55 AM
Who would have ever thought that to differentiate yourself a Dem candidate would have to openly declare they are a capitalist?....keep on eating yourselves guys..Trump 2020!!

Beto O'Rourke is running for president. Like Obama, he has sought the middle ground on policy – while his Democratic rivals veer to the left
Despite O'Rourke's status as the darling of grassroots liberal activists and college kids, his positions look a lot like Barack Obama's, which would put him to the right of much of the Democratic 2020 field.
Plenty of prominent voices on the left regard O'Rourke's moderate voting record and his reluctance to vilify Wall Street as fatal flaws.
"I'm a capitalist. I don't see how we're able to meet any of the fundamental challenges that we have as a country without, in part, harnessing the power of the market," O'Rourke recently told reporters.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/14/beto-orourke-is-running-for-president-echoes-obama-seeking-middle-ground.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/14/beto-orourke-is-running-for-president-echoes-obama-seeking-middle-ground.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on March 15, 2019, 05:37:21 PM
I really want the Democratic candidates to start talking about addressing the cancer of white supremacist terrorism at some point .  Looks like Trump has become the messiah to all these right wing nut jobs across the globe (“good people on both sides”).
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 15, 2019, 08:57:40 PM
I really want the Democratic candidates to start talking about addressing the cancer of white supremacist terrorism at some point .  Looks like Trump has become the messiah to all these right wing nut jobs across the globe (“good people on both sides”).

+1. Ditto, there is so much hates going on right now.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on March 16, 2019, 07:18:31 AM
I really want the Democratic candidates to start talking about addressing the cancer of white supremacist terrorism at some point .  Looks like Trump has become the messiah to all these right wing nut jobs across the globe (“good people on both sides”).

+1. Ditto, there is so much hates going on right now.

And our piece of shit president can’t bring himself to condemn white supremacy after Charlottesville and even after the horrors of this week.   The New Zealand Prime ministers response shows what a leader of all people, not just the rabid base, looks like.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 16, 2019, 02:07:34 PM
Wait, I thought Chelsea Clinton was the inspiration...

Chelsea Clinton blamed for New Zealand massacre during New York University vigil for mass shooting victims

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-news-politics-chelsea-clinton-new-zealand-massacre-vigil-nyu-20190316-story.html?outputType=amp (https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-news-politics-chelsea-clinton-new-zealand-massacre-vigil-nyu-20190316-story.html?outputType=amp)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on March 16, 2019, 05:13:24 PM
I can totally sympathize w eyephone’s prior comments now. 

Morekaos — Don’t make this forum your personal project of hate and racism.  Get a life elsewhere.  You may think you are immune yourself but someday you could be at the recieving end of hate from a white supermacist and then you will realize.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 16, 2019, 06:58:04 PM
Again, you have missed the point. That was a nationally mainstream story. My point is it’s absurd to blame Chelsea Clinton, President Trump or anyone for this tragedy.  Blame the douche bag that did it. Even Don Jr. defended Chelsea.

Don Jr defends Chelsea after students blamed HER for mosques attack

https://mol.im/a/6817009
 (https://mol.im/a/6817009)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on March 16, 2019, 08:23:27 PM
I can't find any comments anywhere from American gun nuts explaining how New Zealand’s tragedy couldn't have happened if everyone in the mosques had been armed.
Hmm ... Can't think why
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 16, 2019, 08:34:11 PM
Armed congregants May have helped.

Armed Man Chased, Fired On New Zealand Mosque Shooter

One armed congregant pursued the gunmen who opened fire during Friday prayer at his mosque in the New Zealand city of Christchurch, firing two shots at them as they sped away, the New Zealand Herald reported.

https://news.yahoo.com/armed-man-chased-fired-zealand-132351864.html (https://news.yahoo.com/armed-man-chased-fired-zealand-132351864.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on March 17, 2019, 09:27:43 AM
The dumbass-in-chief has gone crazy on twitter today.  People realize how much of a joke we’ve become to the rest of the world? To put such a man as head of state?

He’s like a combo of Joffrey & the Mad King, but unlike Westeros we actually chose this moron. We will wear this national embarrassment for the rest of our lives.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on March 17, 2019, 09:30:42 AM
Armed congregants May have helped.

Armed Man Chased, Fired On New Zealand Mosque Shooter

One armed congregant pursued the gunmen who opened fire during Friday prayer at his mosque in the New Zealand city of Christchurch, firing two shots at them as they sped away, the New Zealand Herald reported.

https://news.yahoo.com/armed-man-chased-fired-zealand-132351864.html (https://news.yahoo.com/armed-man-chased-fired-zealand-132351864.html)

Yeah  what a genius insight.

One question for republicans though — Do the families of the victims of the mosque shooting in New Zealand get to be called "angel families"?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Compressed-Village on March 17, 2019, 01:15:47 PM
Remember, from Sarah Suck-abee, and Trumpanzee genius, the U.S. earn alot more respects from around the world now that Trump in office.

I think they haven't listen to themselves or looking in the mirrors lately.  :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on March 17, 2019, 04:47:43 PM
New Zealand has just banned civilian ownership of semi-automatic weapons.

Within 48 hours of the country’s worst shooting.

This is how it’s done.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 18, 2019, 07:22:08 AM
New Zealand has just banned civilian ownership of semi-automatic weapons.

Within 48 hours of the country’s worst shooting.

This is how it’s done.

You do realize doing that in New Zealand is different from doing that in the US.

Scale and politics has so much red tape. Trump can't even get his questionable initiatives passed.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on March 18, 2019, 07:40:45 AM
New Zealand has just banned civilian ownership of semi-automatic weapons.

Within 48 hours of the country’s worst shooting.

This is how it’s done.

You do realize doing that in New Zealand is different from doing that in the US.

Scale and politics has so much red tape. Trump can't even get his questionable initiatives passed.

Yes we all know that.  My broader point  is —

The immune system there has reacted  much faster to attack a deficiency

which is what we could here if there was even a fraction of the political willpower that was used to ram through an unpopular tax cut .
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on March 18, 2019, 07:51:54 AM
and you wonder why we don't trust the media?  robert francis is one sick puppy!

Quote
Amid tight Senate race, Reuters reporter sat on Beto hacking story

It'd be great if reporters stopped handing President Trump ammunition for his attacks on the press.

Reuters’ Joseph Menn, for example, discovered prior to the 2018 midterm races that former Rep. Beto O’Rourke, D-Texas, was a member of the infamous Cult of the Dead Cow hacking group in the 1980s. As a contributor to the group, the former congressman penned a whole lot of deeply weird and poorly aged fiction and poetry.

Yes, he wrote violent and deeply perverted things. Still, teenagers do and say many, many, many regrettable things. The real issue here is that the Reuters journalist offered to sit on the story until after the midterm Senate races had ended, even after O’Rourke had already confirmed in 2017 that he was a member of the group. That is really bad.

Details of O’Rourke’s membership in the Cult of the Dead Cow were revealed for the first time last week in a Reuters exclusive titled, “Beto O’Rourke’s secret membership in America’s oldest hacking group.” The story revealed much of the former congressman's teenage writings, including one bit of fiction, titled “Visions From The Last Crusade,” wherein the author fantasized about murdering children with a car. One passage reads:

One day, as I was driving home from work, I noticed two children crossing the street. They were happy, happy to be free from their troubles…. This happiness was mine by right. I had earned it in my dreams.

As I neared the young ones, I put all my weight on my right foot, keeping the accelerator pedal on the floor until I heard the crashing of the two children on the hood, and then the sharp cry of pain from one of the two. I was so fascinated for a moment, that when after I had stopped my vehicle, I just sat in a daze, sweet visions filling my head.


That’s certainly different. The Reuters report also uncovered some of O’Rourke's adolescent poetry, including a poem titled “The Song of the Cow,” which includes the following stanzas:

I need a butt-shine,
Right now
You are holy,
Oh, sacred Cow
I thirst for you,
Provide Milk.

Buff my balls,
Love the Cow,
Good fortune for those that do.
Love me, breathe my feet,
The Cow has risen.

Wax my ass,
Scrub my balls.
The Cow has risen,
Provide Milk.


I don't even know how to respond to that.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/amid-tight-senate-race-reuters-reporter-sat-on-beto-hacking-story (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/amid-tight-senate-race-reuters-reporter-sat-on-beto-hacking-story)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: nosuchreality on March 18, 2019, 08:15:00 AM
New Zealand has just banned civilian ownership of semi-automatic weapons.

Within 48 hours of the country’s worst shooting.

This is how it’s done.

You do realize doing that in New Zealand is different from doing that in the US.

Scale and politics has so much red tape. Trump can't even get his questionable initiatives passed.

And you do realize that they have not done anything yet.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 18, 2019, 09:08:20 AM
and you wonder why we don't trust the media?  robert francis is one sick puppy!


But Fox and AMI sitting on stories relating to Trump during the 2016 election is irrelevant.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on March 18, 2019, 12:09:07 PM
and you wonder why we don't trust the media?  robert francis is one sick puppy!


But Fox and AMI sitting on stories relating to Trump during the 2016 election is irrelevant.

Yes , the only way Republicans can justify their support for all the evils they would burn any democrat for , is to continue constantly pretending that they are the victims .

The term “snowflake” more aptly applies to today’s MAGA cult
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on March 18, 2019, 12:18:25 PM
Probably nobody has heard of Andrew Yang. But he is quietly gaining momentum. He probably lacks the charisma and the right skin color to win but people should take his ideas seriously.

I think Universal Basic Income (UBI) and Value added tax will be a major issue for 2020 election.

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on March 18, 2019, 01:34:52 PM
Probably nobody has heard of Andrew Yang. But he is quietly gaining momentum. He probably lacks the charisma and the right skin color to win but people should take his ideas seriously.

I think Universal Basic Income (UBI) and Value added tax will be a major issue for 2020 election.

All I have heard about him from my millennial friends is that He is actually hacking predictit (betting $$ on himself) to get himself up there in top 5 .
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 18, 2019, 03:18:58 PM
You are going to see this add or one exactly like it soon....mark my words

https://youtu.be/EU-IBF8nwSY

https://youtu.be/EU-IBF8nwSY (https://youtu.be/EU-IBF8nwSY)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on March 18, 2019, 03:46:51 PM
and you wonder why we don't trust the media?  robert francis is one sick puppy!


But Fox and AMI sitting on stories relating to Trump during the 2016 election is irrelevant.

whataboutism is fun isn't it?  :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on March 18, 2019, 04:12:31 PM
unfortunately for the left, they have been unable to crack trump and the only answer they can come up with is to go deeper and deeper into socialist policy.  that's why you see all of these opposition candidates coming out with pledges to provide universal basic income, reparations for slavery (lol), free healthcare, and on and on.  legitimate candidates like biden will get lost in translation because of this obsession on the left with competing in the oppression olympics.  beta and spartacus said they will be choosing a woman as their vp candidate just because they are a woman.  sound familiar?  is it still "her turn?"
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 18, 2019, 04:55:19 PM
and you wonder why we don't trust the media?  robert francis is one sick puppy!


But Fox and AMI sitting on stories relating to Trump during the 2016 election is irrelevant.

whataboutism is fun isn't it?  :)

No...I think all of it is relevant and important.  Trumpsters are the ones with selective outrage.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on March 18, 2019, 06:46:56 PM
and you wonder why we don't trust the media?  robert francis is one sick puppy!


But Fox and AMI sitting on stories relating to Trump during the 2016 election is irrelevant.

whataboutism is fun isn't it?  :)

No...I think all of it is relevant and important.  Trumpsters are the ones with selective outrage.

then do you agree reuters shouldn't have sat on the story during beta's run in the senate?  why bring up another topic if you're not going to first agree with my post?

i think lion ted cruz said it best:

Quote
@tedcruz

So Reuters had evidence in 2017 that Beto may have committed multiple felonies—which Beto confirmed on the record—but deliberately withheld the story for over a year to help him win his Senate race?  But when he’s running against Bernie etc, NOW it’s news?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 18, 2019, 07:12:23 PM
No...he didnt commit any felony...he belonged to a group that purportedly did.

Second..
Quote
However, Menn said the CDC wouldn’t confirm that O’Rourke was the member in question unless the reporter agreed to hang on to the information “until after the November election” in 2018. After agreeing to the group’s terms, Menn approached O’Rourke for an interview with the promise that it would not be published until after his Senate race. O’Rourke agreed.

Menn defended his reporting decision on Twitter, explaining that he only had a “guess” that O’Rourke was the CDC member in Congress and “zero sources.” The reporter did not explain how he came to guess O’Rourke’s involvement and if he had enough information at the time to independently verify his hunch without the CDC’s confirmation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dailycaller.com/2019/03/16/reuters-beto-orourke-hacking-texas-senate

So basically...you wanted Reuter to print an article without source pr corroboration.

Conversely, AMI admitted that it worked with Trump Campaign to bury stories and is under a cooperarion agreement with the DOJ

Fox News also buried those stories.

If you dont see the difference...that is on you.  But like you really care abt fairness in the media.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on March 18, 2019, 07:20:41 PM
To republicans dumping on leftist democratic candidates and “yearning”  for a centrist ..

such arguments are nothing more than intellectual fraud - and the lazy , scared of its own shadow media keeps harping on it like they obsessed over Hillary’s email server .

Barack Obama walked into office with Mitt Romney’s health care policy, with John McCain’s climate policy, with Bill Clinton’s tax policy, and George H.W. Bush’s foreign policy.

And did..Bush, did..Romney, did..McCain say a single good word about anything..Obama ever did..?" Or did Fox give him credit for any single thing ?

Doesn’t matter who is the democratic candidate — the mudslingers of the right wing swamp will be hurling projectiles at him / her anyways.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 19, 2019, 10:27:05 AM
Probably nobody has heard of Andrew Yang. But he is quietly gaining momentum. He probably lacks the charisma and the right skin color to win but people should take his ideas seriously.

I think Universal Basic Income (UBI) and Value added tax will be a major issue for 2020 election.



That guy is going to be the flavor of the month just like Herman Kaine and Bobby Jindal or Carly Fiorina.  They each saw a sudden early surge but eventually were swallowed up by the Orange mass.  I expect the same will happen to the huge dem field. We will cycle through a few of these before its over.

Democratic debates are coming up, with dark horses poised to share the spotlight

Yang, 44, is a corporate lawyer who turned to startups and launched the nonprofit Venture for America, which seeks to "to revitalize American cities and communities through entrepreneurship." This is his first political race, and he has focused his campaign on preparing for increasing job losses because of automation and artificial intelligence. Yang’s campaign told the Daily Beast that the ranks of his “Yang Gang” supporters started to surge after an appearance on the popular “Joe Rogan Experience” podcast in February and continued. (The YouTube video of the interview has over 2 million views.)

Pro-Yang memes began to spread across social media platforms and message boards as interest grew in his UBI plan, which would provide $1,000 checks every month to every American over age 18. While some of that support for his plan has come from darker corners of the internet aligned with the so-called alt-right, Yang has not courted that support.

https://news.yahoo.com/andrew-yang-pete-buttigieg-democratic-debates-164137300.html (https://news.yahoo.com/andrew-yang-pete-buttigieg-democratic-debates-164137300.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 19, 2019, 10:32:16 AM
Maybe so but the introduction of ideas is great.

I am a Yang supporter.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 19, 2019, 01:16:42 PM
For those of you who think "its different this time" you haven't learned anything from the last Presidential election.  More and more I hear Pennsylvania will flip back...Ill remind you...

Always two sides to every coin

Stumped by Trump’s success? Take a drive outside US cities

If you drive anywhere in Pennsylvania, from the turnpike to the old US routes to the dirt roads connecting small towns like Hooversville with “bigger” small towns like Somerset, you might conclude that Donald Trump is ahead in this state by double digits.

Large signs, small signs, homemade signs, signs that wrap around barns, signs that go from one end of a fence to another dot the landscape with such frequency that, if you were playing the old-fashioned road-trip game of counting cows, you would hit 100 in just one small town like this one.

n Ruffsdale, I am pretty sure I saw more than 100 Trump signs.

It’s as if people here have not turned on the television to hear pundits drone on and on about how badly Trump is losing in Pennsylvania.

It’s not just visual: In interview after interview in all corners of the state, I’ve found that Trump’s support across the ideological spectrum remains strong. Democrats, Republicans, independents, people who have not voted in presidential elections for years — they have not wavered in their support.

http://nypost.com/2016/08/22/stumped-by-trumps-success-take-a-drive-outside-us-cities/ (http://nypost.com/2016/08/22/stumped-by-trumps-success-take-a-drive-outside-us-cities/)

Then...and now...

Trump’s Pa. popularity no accident

There’s a reason why President Trump is becoming more popular in important Midwestern battleground states like Pennsylvania: Voters don’t want to lose the ongoing economic renaissance that is transforming their lives.

According to a recent opinion survey from The Wall Street Journal, the president “cumulatively leads a generic Democratic opponent, 46 percent to 40 percent,” in Pennsylvania, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin.

The survey’s findings are not surprising, and it’s no small coincidence that those states are all thriving under the president’s pro-growth economic policies.

Indeed, Trump’s economic agenda has had a profound effect on Pennsylvania: The state’s 4.0 percent unemployment rate is now the lowest it’s been in nearly two decades, and the economy continues to add new jobs at a dizzying pace.

https://triblive.com/opinion/david-urban-trumps-pa-popularity-no-accident/ (https://triblive.com/opinion/david-urban-trumps-pa-popularity-no-accident/)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 19, 2019, 01:47:37 PM
I don't know what an opinion poll is and which one it is referencing but Trump is losing a ton in the rust belt states

https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/state/

Biden is up 8 in Wisconsin and 7 in Michigan...every Dem challenge is ahead or tied with Trump right now.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on March 19, 2019, 01:55:35 PM

So basically...you wanted Reuter to print an article without source pr corroboration.


uhhh...what do you think the media has been doing to trump constantly for the past 2 years?  remember the dossier?  bueller?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 19, 2019, 02:16:25 PM

So basically...you wanted Reuter to print an article without source pr corroboration.


uhhh...what do you think the media has been doing to trump constantly for the past 2 years?  remember the dossier?  bueller?

The goalpost just keep moving...but again you don't actually care about objectivity or the media.  Just like libertarian do not actually care about liberty...they just care about being able to do whatever it is they want.

BTW...a number of the material allegations have been prove in the Steele Dossier:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/07/politics/dossier-two-years-later/index.html
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 19, 2019, 02:53:41 PM
I don't know what an opinion poll is and which one it is referencing but Trump is losing a ton in the rust belt states

https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/state/

Biden is up 8 in Wisconsin and 7 in Michigan...every Dem challenge is ahead or tied with Trump right now.

Let history be your guide...

Polls Suggest Donald Trump Probably Can’t Flip Rust Belt States

He’s trailing Hillary Clinton by double digits in Pennsylvania and struggling in crucial battleground states.

Donald Trump has placed a big bet in his quest for the presidency: that his appeal to white working-class voters can make him competitive in Rust Belt states that traditionally vote Democratic. Increasingly, it looks like he’s going to lose that bet.

A new set of battleground polls released on Tuesday show Trump trailing Hillary Clinton in the most critical states he’s hoping to flip.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57aa40c8e4b0ba7ed23df890 (https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57aa40c8e4b0ba7ed23df890)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 19, 2019, 03:05:52 PM
I don't know what an opinion poll is and which one it is referencing but Trump is losing a ton in the rust belt states

https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/state/

Biden is up 8 in Wisconsin and 7 in Michigan...every Dem challenge is ahead or tied with Trump right now.

Let history be your guide...

Polls Suggest Donald Trump Probably Can’t Flip Rust Belt States

He’s trailing Hillary Clinton by double digits in Pennsylvania and struggling in crucial battleground states.

Donald Trump has placed a big bet in his quest for the presidency: that his appeal to white working-class voters can make him competitive in Rust Belt states that traditionally vote Democratic. Increasingly, it looks like he’s going to lose that bet.

A new set of battleground polls released on Tuesday show Trump trailing Hillary Clinton in the most critical states he’s hoping to flip.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57aa40c8e4b0ba7ed23df890 (https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57aa40c8e4b0ba7ed23df890)

Why do you keep moving the goal post...you cited an article that stated that Trump is ahead in rust belt states when in fact it is the opposite. 

Now you confuse "history" with "lightning strikes"...just because something happened once, does not mean it will happen again.  And of course you continue to ignore the 2018 midterms in which Trump and the GOP lost in the Rust Belt states badly. 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 19, 2019, 03:42:31 PM
Not moving anything. you represent, then and now, the prevailing view that Trump will lose the Rust Belt.  I posted the countervailing view.  Your observation (then as now) is erroneous.  I know you think the midterms were such a yuge loss but in reality it was a underwhelming but typical midterm election. It was not a Presidential election so saying it was some sort of rebuke of Trump is a stretch. A true rebuke might be Obamas first midterm, that was a whipping, but even with that blow , look what happened just two years later...he got re-elected...this will probably end up the same.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 19, 2019, 03:58:24 PM
Not moving anything. you represent, then and now, the prevailing view that Trump will lose the Rust Belt.  I posted the countervailing view.  Your observation (then as now) is erroneous.  I know you think the midterms were such a yuge loss but in reality it was a underwhelming but typical midterm election. It was not a Presidential election so saying it was some sort of rebuke of Trump is a stretch. A true rebuke might be Obamas first midterm, that was a whipping, but even with that blow , look what happened just two years later...he got re-elected...this will probably end up the same.

Except everyone else realize that the 2018 midterm losses were pretty historical for Trump but sure.

Obama got elected in 2008 with +7.2% popular vote and +185 electoral votes....in 2012 he won with +3.9 and +126 electoral votes.   Obama's approval disapproval in 2012 was about +1% (48.6/47.3)

Trump got elected in 2016 with -2.1% popular vote and +77 electoral votes (most of those on razor thin margins in the rust belt).  Trump's current approval/disapproval is somewhere around -11/-12 (41/42% v 52/53)...how much margin of error do you think he has in 2020?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 19, 2019, 05:07:48 PM
A ton
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on March 19, 2019, 06:11:46 PM
A ton

Why don't you just say that it's solely based upon your personal opinion rather than attempting to bring fake facts and non-logical explanation into it?  That will save everyone a lot of time.

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 19, 2019, 06:24:33 PM
https://youtu.be/8DO0kxKMHIA

https://youtu.be/8DO0kxKMHIA (https://youtu.be/8DO0kxKMHIA)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on March 20, 2019, 08:13:00 AM
IC - best to maybe just gloss over the nonsensical stuff in bold and purple font

On a different note — read that Federal judges have ruled against the Trump administration at least 63 times over the past two years, an extraordinary record of legal defeat that has stymied large parts of the president’s agenda on the environment, immigration and other matters.

Thinking — Right after Trump got elected, a bunch of resistance dollars started flowing toward groups like ACLU and news outlets, since liberals saw those institutions as the biggest checks on the presidency. In retrospect, I guess that seems like it was smart money?

then it went toward congressional candidates, which also turned out to smart money, and I assume now it’s going to presidential candidates, which is currently a crapshoot.

You have to wonder how different the first two years of the Trump presidency would have looked if hedge funds had been hollowing out the D.C. and New York press corps the same way as the rest of America’s newsrooms.

This is something one of my indian American consultant colleagues pointed out to me as happening in Indian democracy where the press has been made entirely supplicant to the govt. — thats the type of setup trump wants I think.

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 20, 2019, 08:27:21 AM
If Trump does not win, morekaos has to move to Texas. :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on March 20, 2019, 12:57:59 PM
If Trump does not win, morekaos has to move to Texas. :)

And what if Texas turns blue next year :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on March 20, 2019, 12:58:42 PM
Latest gem today from doofus in chief

on John McCain:

"I gave him the kind of funeral that he wanted" adding that as president he had to approve it.

"I didn't get a thank you," the President said.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 26, 2019, 04:26:07 PM
As I said in another thread, any losses in the midterms are worth it. All we gave up was a weak position in one house which gives them a box to stand on and rant and rave, no real power. What we got was the injection of a poisonous virus that infected their party with childish, loud mouthed, socialists power hungry fools. Like the Matrix, the machine world can’t control the multiplying Smith’s. He soon will control their world. So far to the fringe that there is actually a Jexodus movement into the Republican Party. By election 2020, what’s left will be easy pickns for Trumps loyal, solid base. The virus will have hollowed out the old school Dems. Trump 2020!!

https://youtu.be/u9fjBnQSqr4

https://youtu.be/u9fjBnQSqr4 (https://youtu.be/u9fjBnQSqr4)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 26, 2019, 04:32:48 PM
They have no idea how to control them.

Green New Deal fails Senate test vote as dozens of Democrats vote 'present'

The Green New Deal, a sweeping Democratic proposal for dealing with climate change, fell at the first hurdle Tuesday as the Senate failed to reach the 60 votes necessary to begin debate on the non-binding resolution, with 42 Democrats and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., voting "present."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/green-new-deal-fails-senate-test-vote-as-dozens-of-democrats (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/green-new-deal-fails-senate-test-vote-as-dozens-of-democrats)

They couldn’t even vote yes on it out of fear of being put on record. The children of the corn will demand scalps...let the battle be joined!

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on March 26, 2019, 05:51:39 PM
Man , the only one ranting and harassing everyone every day is you :)

Get a life beyond all this — will do wonders for your health
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 26, 2019, 06:07:01 PM
Super healthy, just had my annual physical , thanks.  Feeliimg good Louis!  You’re the one who said you wanted some “prognostications”, just gettin it in the record.

https://youtu.be/NfrxRE_x-6E

https://youtu.be/NfrxRE_x-6E (https://youtu.be/NfrxRE_x-6E)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 26, 2019, 09:58:16 PM
Even bringing in agents to try and control the spread of Smith doesn’t work.

House Leaders Bring In Barack Obama To Help Rein In Freshmen Dems. It Doesn't Work.

Leading House Democrats, apparently concerned that freshmen Dems, like Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), are making trouble for national candidates by proposing massive new funding plans that are expensive and unpopular, brought in former President Barack Obama for a sit-down talk.

The Washington Post reports that Obama sat down with legislators, including Ocasio-Cortez, to explain that high-price tag policies would hurt legislative success rates overall, and cautioned freshmen lawmakers to think "boldly" but logically about plans like the Green New Deal (though he didn't name any specific policies).

Obama's message also may not have resonated because many freshmen Dems are much further left — and significantly more progressive — than Obama, at least in terms of how he governed from the White House. For example, Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) was quoted by Politico as saying Obama was a progressive let down, and a standard politician.

"Recalling the ‘caging of kids’ at the U.S.-Mexico border and the ‘droning of countries around the world’ on Obama’s watch," "[Obama] operated within the same fundamentally broken framework as his Republican successor," Omar reportedly told the Washington, D.C. outlet.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/45137/house-leaders-bring-barack-obama-help-rein-emily-zanotti (https://www.dailywire.com/news/45137/house-leaders-bring-barack-obama-help-rein-emily-zanotti)

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on March 27, 2019, 06:43:47 AM
They have no idea how to control them.

Green New Deal fails Senate test vote as dozens of Democrats vote 'present'

The Green New Deal, a sweeping Democratic proposal for dealing with climate change, fell at the first hurdle Tuesday as the Senate failed to reach the 60 votes necessary to begin debate on the non-binding resolution, with 42 Democrats and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., voting "present."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/green-new-deal-fails-senate-test-vote-as-dozens-of-democrats (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/green-new-deal-fails-senate-test-vote-as-dozens-of-democrats)

They couldn’t even vote yes on it out of fear of being put on record. The children of the corn will demand scalps...let the battle be joined!

LOL

these youtube videos are amazing. dems exposed!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK2IGh_ggl8&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK2IGh_ggl8&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK2IGh_ggl8&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 27, 2019, 08:17:46 AM
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's fiery warning after Green New Deal fails: ‘we’re going to pay for this’

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/03/27/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-fiery-warning-after-green-new-deal-fails-were-going-to-pay-for-this/23701051/ (https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/03/27/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-fiery-warning-after-green-new-deal-fails-were-going-to-pay-for-this/23701051/)

Smith will want some butts.

https://youtu.be/AS9j_-mqSWc

https://youtu.be/AS9j_-mqSWc (https://youtu.be/AS9j_-mqSWc)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 27, 2019, 11:50:21 AM
Smith is wagging the dog...go Occasional Cortex!!!

When asked why so many Democrats in the upper chamber voted “present,” Ocasio-Cortez responded that she advised them to do so

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/435997-ocasio-cortez-claims-she-encouraged-senate-dems-to-vote-present-on-green-new (https://thehill.com/homenews/house/435997-ocasio-cortez-claims-she-encouraged-senate-dems-to-vote-present-on-green-new)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on March 27, 2019, 12:09:42 PM
Smith is wagging the dog...go Occasional Cortex!!!

When asked why so many Democrats in the upper chamber voted “present,” Ocasio-Cortez responded that she advised them to do so

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/435997-ocasio-cortez-claims-she-encouraged-senate-dems-to-vote-present-on-green-new (https://thehill.com/homenews/house/435997-ocasio-cortez-claims-she-encouraged-senate-dems-to-vote-present-on-green-new)

so she wouldn't have even voted yes on her own bill?  what a great supporter!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 27, 2019, 12:17:22 PM
Smith is wagging the dog...go Occasional Cortex!!!

When asked why so many Democrats in the upper chamber voted “present,” Ocasio-Cortez responded that she advised them to do so

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/435997-ocasio-cortez-claims-she-encouraged-senate-dems-to-vote-present-on-green-new (https://thehill.com/homenews/house/435997-ocasio-cortez-claims-she-encouraged-senate-dems-to-vote-present-on-green-new)

so she wouldn't have even voted yes on her own bill?  what a great supporter!

First of all she thinks she bosses around the other chamber (maybe she does) but her co sponsor in the Senate, Markey, did vote "present" on his own initiative...way to go Dems!?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on March 29, 2019, 03:22:16 PM
here we go #creepybiden

Quote
#MeToo: Woman claims Joe Biden kissed her without consent in 2014

A former Nevada politician has accused former Vice President Joe Biden of kissing her against her consent backstage at a campaign rally in 2014.

Lucy Flores, 39, a former assemblywoman in Nevada, write in The Cut that the incident took place when she was running for lieutenant governor and she "felt two hands on my shoulders."

Flores recounts: "I felt him get closer to me from behind. He leaned further in and inhaled my hair," Flores writes. "I was mortified. I thought to myself, “I didn’t wash my hair today and the vice-president of the United States is smelling it. And also, what in the actual fuck? Why is the vice-president of the United States smelling my hair?” He proceeded to plant a big slow kiss on the back of my head."

Flores writes that she felt embarrassment and shock after the encounter with Biden, and also that it mirrored similar behavior from the former vice president.

"Time passed and pictures started to surface of Vice-President Biden getting uncomfortably close with women and young girls. Biden nuzzling the neck of the Defense secretary’s wife; Biden kissing a senator’s wife on the lips; Biden whispering in women’s ears; Biden snuggling female constituents," Flores writes.

Biden's over-familiar style with women has long been the subject of commentary, but he has previously not been accused by women of misbehavior.

Although he has not yet announced his candidacy for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination, outlets have reported that Biden does intend to run and is simply waiting for the most opportune moment to announce.

A number of polls how Biden with a lead over the rest of the Democratic field. A Harvard CAPS/Harris survey released Thursday found that 35 percent of Democratic voters are most likely to support Biden should he enter the race.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/woman-claims-joe-biden-kissed-her-without-permission-in-new-essay (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/woman-claims-joe-biden-kissed-her-without-permission-in-new-essay)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on March 30, 2019, 08:42:46 AM
Hoist with his own petard...#metoo-Smith May claim another victim.

Joe Biden Is Done

For the next few months, though, we’re in an amusing interstitial period when the media actually has a reason to attack their fellow Democrats: any hacks out there who think their party can do better than Biden (or Sanders, or Warren, or Harris, or etc.) can rip into their disfavored candidates in order to give an assist to their preferred picks. All of this goes away as soon as the Democratic pick for 2020 becomes evident, but until then we’ll be seeing some actual vigorous reporting.

Today, because the feminist-leftist staff of The Cut at New York magazine think the Dems can do better than Biden, there’s a devastating first-person account of what it’s like to be a woman and have Creepy Joe sneak up behind you (plus a column, which ran an hour later, saying, “Joe Biden Isn’t the Answer.”) Lucy Flores, then 35, was the Democratic nominee for lieutenant governor of Nevada when Biden appeared at an event with her.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/joe-biden-democratic-party-2020-presidential-candidacy/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/joe-biden-democratic-party-2020-presidential-candidacy/)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 30, 2019, 11:34:06 AM
ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz (*blinks eyes*) zzzzz Oh, sorry. I feel asleep on this.

If we have a Governor either being in full blackface OR in a Klan outfit still in charge of their State, or as those of our friends on the Left might say "A porn star groping, cheeto dusted rabid orangutan in the White House" - clearly nothing matters at this point.

Biden won't be pushed out by this. It will be forgotten in a week.

I'm interested in who's leaking this stuff. Whenever someone throws their hat into the ring, suddenly there's something from years gone by that surfaces. There must be an establishment favorite (my guess is Harris) that is purposefully benefitting from these leaks. Very little real coverage of Harris's terrible record in California and zero accomplishments in the Senate which makes me think the D's are coalescing around her for now while also trying to tear down some of the other candidates. That's hardly a new political trick, but in the age of Social Media it's hyper magnified.

This will absolutely be more of an interesting cycle in 2020 with so many D's running. 2016 had a full slate of R's, but sheesh, there wasn't an interesting candidate in the bunch. Both Carson and JEB! were capable of putting even the most overly caffeinated political junkie into a permanent sleep induced coma. Not so with the D's 2020 candidates.

My .02c
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on April 01, 2019, 09:59:17 AM
All I have heard about him from my millennial friends is that He is actually hacking predictit (betting $$ on himself) to get himself up there in top 5 .

I think it's pretty clear now Andrew Yang is not just hacking to be placed top 5. He has already qualified for the debate, ahead of many other Dem candidates who were already nationally known.

He is my dark horse candidate. I actually think he has the best chance to beat Trump if he can win the nomination.

For those interested, watch the 2 hour interview of Yang with Joe Rogan. Very impressive.

https://youtu.be/cTsEzmFamZ8 (https://youtu.be/cTsEzmFamZ8)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on April 01, 2019, 10:13:35 AM
Maybe so but the introduction of ideas is great.

I am a Yang supporter.

I agree. I just donated to his campaign and joined the yang gang!

I actually had no idea who he was until last month when I went to train for my company's new AI assisted software. He apparently has a lot of techie support.

More importantly, he is the only candidate to even discuss the urgent need of addressing the impact of AI and automation. Bernie and Biden are just too old and naturally out of touch.

Even if he does not win, I think a lot of his platform will be adopted which will be great.

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on April 02, 2019, 01:21:35 PM
Surprise!! Well some will be.

Hispanics Rally to Trump, Boosting His 2020 Chances

Hispanics saw through the media smears and Trump massively outperformed dour expectations, actually surpassing Mitt Romney’s 2012 percentage among Latino voters.

Since then, prospects have only improved – most importantly for the overall well-being of America’s Hispanic citizens, but also for the political prognosis of President Trump. So much good news erupted last week for the president with the conclusion of the Mueller inquiry that stunning new polling data was largely glossed over.  McLaughlin & Associates revealed that Hispanic approval for Trump in March jumped to 50%.  This number matched the January Marist/NPR/PBS survey that shocked cynics with its own 50% approval finding.  Even if those polls are too aggressive, February’s Morning Consult/Politico poll showed Trump’s Hispanic approval vaulting to a still-impressive 45%.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/04/02/hispanics_rally_to_trump_boosting_his_2020_chances_139933.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/04/02/hispanics_rally_to_trump_boosting_his_2020_chances_139933.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on April 02, 2019, 01:30:53 PM
But you won’t reply to the other thread regarding the flip flop health care. Also, the report 0n you is coming out soon. Based on the topics that you posted. (God Bless America)

I can smell a victory. Even without a clear candidate.
What victory that Trump declared? Trump is already back tracking his healthcare statement. But then he said he will do it after the election. (Ha-Who is his advisor?)
Another economic crisis if he shuts down the border? (Do it!!!!)

Let’s go!!!!

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on April 02, 2019, 01:48:13 PM
Ohhh, you’re compiling a dossiers on me, release it all immediately and unredacted!! I haven’t commented on repeal because I’m all for dumping Obamacare. Commented in many threads about losing my doctor, not saving $2500.00, losing my insurance company, increasing my premiums, increasing 12 fold my deductible and reducing my choice...it stinks, start over please cause it can’t get worse.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on April 02, 2019, 01:50:02 PM
Cause I’m all for dumping Obamacare. Commented in many threads about losing my doctor, not saving $2500.00, losing my insurance company, increasing my premiums, increasing 12 fold my deductible and reducing my choice...it stinks, start over please cause it can’t get worse.

Then why did Trump pull out from his original comment? He’s scared about the elections. Midterms part 2

The people are not dumb. Not at all. (They might have a college degree or PhD. But they understand the key words. Trump and the DOj want to get rid of Obamacare.)

Another spanking!! Bye bye bye
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on April 02, 2019, 01:53:55 PM
This is why I’m like always right. I understand the basics. When you go off the reservation like you. Then you don’t understand. The average person doesn’t care what the cost is. They want coverage or something.

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on April 02, 2019, 02:24:55 PM
The average person understands that being charged premiums and getting few choices and a $6000 deductible is basically self insurance with a catastrophic care rider. Many do care what they pay for and simply forgo insurance altogether. Who cares if you’re offered insurance if it isn’t worth paying for? Dump it and start over.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on April 02, 2019, 02:36:45 PM
Kevin McCarthy blames midterm losses on GOP push to roll back health insurance protections

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-kevin-mccarthy-republicans-health-care-20190212-story.html

Scoop: Kevin McCarthy tells Trump new health care push makes no sense

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.axios.com/kevin-mccarthy-trump-republican-health-care-affordable-care-act-432a5c5f-71cb-4db7-bab5-a7d55aac59ad.html


For those who don’t know Kevin McCarthy is the GOP leader in the house of reps. He replaced Paul Ryan.

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on April 02, 2019, 02:37:46 PM
The average person understands that being charged premiums and getting few choices and a $6000 deductible is basically self insurance with a catastrophic care rider. Many do care what they pay for and simply forgo insurance altogether. Who cares if you’re offered insurance if it isn’t worth paying for? Dump it and start over.

Sorry bro you don’t get it. That is why another victory is coming. The same thinking that’s why they got stomped in the midterms.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on April 02, 2019, 03:38:27 PM
It’s good you still have some confidence after the letdown from the giddily anticipated Trump family perp walk that never was.  Many hit a wall with that one.  Keep the faith.

https://youtu.be/H02oawfAP18

https://youtu.be/H02oawfAP18 (https://youtu.be/H02oawfAP18)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on April 03, 2019, 10:30:00 AM
On all this Biden stuff and other hit pieces ... I mean the media stopped caring about Trump's grab-her-by-the-pussy remarks after a couple weeks in 2016.  There's an occasional one-off comment here and there, but that's it.

Stories have press cycles.  That's reality, not any bias.  But — Believe it or not, talking about Uranium One every day, three years after the election was decided and with no new information, isn't exactly how it's suppose to work. Sean Hannity out there trying to keep Hillary Clinton in the news all year through sheer force of will is something to behold !

And may I add not v dissimilar from what some other MAGA poster do here :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on April 03, 2019, 11:16:39 AM
On the Biden stuff I personally don’t care. The push to hook him offstage is not from the Repub side. Smith doesn’t think he is Smith enough. Frankly I find the media’s focus is purposeful and fascinating. The far left is tearing out the last remnants of the old republic.

https://youtu.be/Y3OiIjIvN0A

https://youtu.be/Y3OiIjIvN0A (https://youtu.be/Y3OiIjIvN0A)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on April 03, 2019, 11:20:06 AM
so many sexual assault allegations against biden, you would think trump nominated him for the supreme court!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on April 03, 2019, 03:18:11 PM
Good lord ...

“Trump says it would have been harder to legislate if GOP kept the House in midterms, saying it “would’ve been impossible” for him to accomplish anything because he’d have to satisfy various factions.”



Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on April 05, 2019, 11:28:34 AM
Smith forces candidates through a knothole sideways...doomed!! ;D

For Democrats, all paths to the White House run through the House of Sharpton

A glimpse at the guest list for the Rev. Al Sharpton’s confab here this week would surely astonish any New Yorker arriving in a time machine from the 1980s. Every major Democrat who has launched a White House bid has cleared their schedule to get in front of the Reverend.
Few things once seemed more improbable, save perhaps for the White House being occupied by Donald Trump, who once competed with Sharpton for screaming tabloid headlines and airtime on what was then a nascent medium known as “trash TV.”

“No one wants to be on the negative end of his organization,” said Christina Greer, who teaches black ethnic politics at Fordham University in New York.

Candidates now publicly genuflect before him, as Beto O’Rourke did when the former Texas congressman took the stage soon after the conference got underway Wednesday.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-sharpton-democrats-presidential-20190404-story.html?outputType=amp (https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-sharpton-democrats-presidential-20190404-story.html?outputType=amp)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on April 05, 2019, 03:13:13 PM
thank you wall st, very cool!

Quote
70% of Wall Street thinks Trump will be reelected in 2020

A new poll of Wall Street insiders shows that a vast majority expect President Donald Trump to win reelection in 2020.

While Joe Biden was viewed as the most stock market-friendly possible Democratic candidate for the White House, more than 70% of survey respondents told global investment bank RBC Capital Markets that they expect Trump to be reelected.

“Most expect Trump to win in 2020, but there’s still some nervousness around the event,” Lori Calvasina, RBC’s head of U.S. equity strategy, wrote to clients. Sixty-seven percent “of our March 2019 survey respondents believe that Joe Biden is seen as the most acceptable Democratic candidate by the stock market for the White House. No other candidate got a significant number of votes.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/05/70percent-of-wall-street-thinks-trump-will-be-reelected-in-2020.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/05/70percent-of-wall-street-thinks-trump-will-be-reelected-in-2020.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on April 07, 2019, 09:34:29 AM
Soon there will be nothing left but Smith. The Dem field is being forced into narrower and narrower lanes.

The intolerant Left thirsts for blood

The Left has won the culture war, and now it's exiling anyone with sympathy for the losing side. Two recent incidents evince a growing trend to try to ban any view on gender or sexuality from public life that is to the Right of the American Civil Liberties Union.

These episodes demonstrate the illiberalism and intolerance of the Left, which is now willing to use governmental and institutional power to smash those who don’t agree with it on sexual morality.

Our culture rightly regards some opinions as beyond the bounds of reasonable debate. We’d expect a city to be unwelcoming to a restaurant whose owner funded the Islamic State. We wouldn’t expect Yale Law School to host speakers advocating slavery.

What makes these recent stories of intolerance so striking is that the views and actions being branded as intolerable are entirely within the mainstream.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/the-intolerant-left-thirsts-for-blood (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/the-intolerant-left-thirsts-for-blood)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on April 10, 2019, 12:40:39 PM
Obama sees Smith, but they cant stop him.

Obama had it right — a circular firing squad is on the way

President Barack Obama was right to warn the Democratic Party that, unless it reshapes its course, it may create a circular firing squad. Historically, just look to the Democratic Party of 1972, when George McGovern lost 49 states to Richard Nixon, another controversial, polarizing president. It was both the high point of the progressive movement in the party and the low point of the party’s presidential power.

Except for a brief recovery post-Watergate with Jimmy Carter, Democrats did not come back from their 1972 record loss until 1992, and that was with a 41 percent vote for President Bill Clinton, aided by the entry of independent Ross Perot into that year’s presidential race. Even with that help, it took a return to the center to reignite the fortunes of the Democratic Party and we got 49 per cent in 1996.

And the congressional Socialists led by Rep. Ocasio-Cortez are even threatening mainstream Democrats with primaries. Yup, replacing moderates in swing districts with left-wing democratic socialists is surely the way to expand the majority. Suburbanites are clamoring for them. Higher taxes is just what hard-pressed suburban voters with lots of responsibilities are seeking.

The public face of the party today is far removed from what created a solid group of freshmen in suburban districts. And they have been bombarded with a lot more than just slogans. Ocasio-Cortez, who pulled down about 15,000 votes in a Democratic primary in a safe district, is world-renowned now for the Green New Deal — just a little program to nationalize the energy industry while promising guaranteed incomes for all; its price tag has been put at $93 trillion. It’s Ocasio-Cortez who drove Amazon out of New York, not understanding that the tax breaks for the company would have come from 10 times the tax revenue that the new jobs would have created, or that their absence blows a $27 billion hole in future budgets. Comically, she thought you could spend the $3 billion on other things.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/437969-obama-had-it-right-a-circular-firing-squad-is-on-the-way (https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/437969-obama-had-it-right-a-circular-firing-squad-is-on-the-way)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on April 10, 2019, 12:55:50 PM
aoc is the best thing to happen to the republican party (after trump).  her completely nonsensical plans and endless media appearances give republican (and independent) voters hours of comedic value and puts just enough kick in the butt to get to the polls in 2020 to completely rock the vote like they did in 2016.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on April 10, 2019, 06:48:31 PM
aoc is the best thing to happen to the republican party (after trump).  her completely nonsensical plans and endless media appearances give republican (and independent) voters hours of comedic value and puts just enough kick in the butt to get to the polls in 2020 to completely rock the vote like they did in 2016.

Yawn .... Have you guys recovered from the kick in the butt you received in November last year 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on April 10, 2019, 06:56:55 PM
If that’s how you want to keep thinking it was then yah,  rumbling on nicely, thanks for your concern.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on April 11, 2019, 12:55:40 PM
My MAGA financial experts / advisors

Do you know what “countercyclical capital buffer” for financial institutions  is ?  AOC does .  Now furiously look it up via google .

PS — oh and by “rumbling” I assume you mean “
rambling “ - maybe AOC can teach some English too while she is at it :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on April 11, 2019, 12:58:51 PM
Put your faith in the bartender(Smith) ....please. ;D

https://youtu.be/VrPkRCO83I8

https://youtu.be/VrPkRCO83I8 (https://youtu.be/VrPkRCO83I8)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on April 11, 2019, 02:52:19 PM
Bartenders add more value to society than financial advisors

What say :)

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on April 11, 2019, 04:23:43 PM
I have been both.  I Bartended in one of the best bars in the south bay from the age of 16. ( I lied and was slinging drinks when I was still in high school).  Both jobs are very lucrative and fulfilling.  What I learned from all those years behind the bar was discipline, organization, hustle, people skills and the value of hard work to make a buck.  All values that I think AOC did not.  She was thick headed enough to whimsically visit the very bar she worked in when they closed due to minimum wage policies that she herself advocated and totally missed the irony of her bemoaning its closing.  Smith is blind to anything that doesn't advance Smith.  Just cause one of her handlers gave her a multi-syllabic word to play with doesn't make her smart.  She will be the Democrats downfall.  I welcome her and her friends injection into the party from the last (shellacking) election.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on April 11, 2019, 07:10:12 PM
Stop watching so much Fox . They are literally obsessed w AOC since she is the new boogeyman after Hillary . It also helps that she is photogenic .

Every now and then you see a republican geezer CEO on Fox News upset that “AOC won’t go out w me so I can teach her capitalism “  . It is getting to creepy levels .  Get a life people and enjoy the spring weather  !
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on April 11, 2019, 07:12:25 PM
That’s good, Smith is absorbing the whole party...you included.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on April 12, 2019, 08:03:17 AM
Man , you really don’t have any good comebacks left , do you  :) 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on April 12, 2019, 08:13:16 AM
Nothing to come back on...I love her too, just like you. (but for different reasons)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on April 12, 2019, 10:00:18 AM
...and who are the petulant children that mainstream media feel free to publish who advocate tampering with the food of those they don't like or agree with?....Smith is the twitter tail wagging the dog?

Keep Kirstjen Nielsen unemployed and eating Grubhub over her kitchen sink

ONE OF THE biggest regrets of my life is not pissing in Bill Kristol’s salmon. I was waiting on the disgraced neoconservative pundit and chief Iraq War cheerleader about 10 years ago at a restaurant in Cambridge and to my eternal dismay, some combination of professionalism and pusillanimity prevented me from appropriately seasoning his entree. A ramekin of blood on the side might have been the better option, come to think of it. He always did seem really thirsty for the stuff.

I was reminded of that episode this week when Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen, the purportedly reluctant triggerman for Donald Trump’s inhumane policies of ethnic cleansing, announced she would be stepping down from her post at the president’s request. The news comes a little over a year since she took the job, and about nine months since she was infamously shame-marched out of a restaurant — a Mexican one of all things — in Washington, D.C., by a group of protestors just as the news of our official policy of separating families at the southern border was first being reported on. What a delight it was to see.

As for the waiters out there, I’m not saying you should tamper with anyone’s food, as that could get you into trouble. You might lose your serving job. But you’d be serving America. And you won’t have any regrets years later.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190410162025/https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2019/04/10/oneil/t0wEh4yEXHTzBttu77AGWK/story.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20190410162025/https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2019/04/10/oneil/t0wEh4yEXHTzBttu77AGWK/story.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on April 14, 2019, 06:17:56 PM
If you want to make some crazy return (provided you got some spare cash to burn)

Go bet on Andrew Yang for president 2020. He is going to explode in popularity after his CNN town hall.

Do it before the betting market adjusts.

I got in at +6600 two weeks ago. It's shot up to +1800 already
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: aquabliss on April 15, 2019, 12:43:14 AM
Andrew Yang is the Obama ‘come from behind’ type candidate the dems are looking for.  I don’t agree with him on many fronts but the guy is a genius and I almost don’t want to listen to him speak or he’ll probably convince me that some of his crazy ideas are good ones. 

He seems genuine, kind, humble, and very well spoken.  If he adds the “80% reduction of all Mello Roos taxes” to his platform, I’m in.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on April 15, 2019, 07:44:28 PM
I dunno, the Democrats have a new shiny object to play with...

How Mayor Pete Started to Look Presidential

In the span of 11 weeks, the South Bend mayor has risen from the bottom of the pack to a slot in the top tier of the 2020 Democratic field. Can it last

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/14/pete-buttigieg-2020-226654 (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/14/pete-buttigieg-2020-226654)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on April 16, 2019, 12:12:16 AM
I like Mayor Pete. The only knock on him is that he still has 0 policy on his website.

Hopefully, he starts to pivot towards a more policy oriented campaign instead of platitude and identity politics.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on April 16, 2019, 08:05:59 AM
Democrats can have 100 page policy proposals and no one will care - what they need is a good messenger that can cut through the fog of trumps campaign style which the media thrives on , media having learnt no lesson from 2016 coverage

To that end having a crowded field is a good thing - as it was for republicans in 2015.  Gone are the days of Establishment anointed heirs to the throne .
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on April 16, 2019, 08:19:27 AM
Desperately trying to control Smith...it won't work.

Nancy Pelosi takes ANOTHER shot at AOC and says a 'glass of water with a D next to it' could have won the 29-year-old's seat before warning her not to 'menace' voters
US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, 79, has appeared to take another shot at AOC
Pelosi claims that a 'glass of water with a D next to it' could have won AOC's seat
She also said the Democratic Party must avoid the 'menace' of liberal policies pushed by rising political stars like AOC if it wants to beat Donald Trump in 2020

Pelosi added that New York Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez, popularly referred to as AOC, and fellow young progressives elected in 2018 represented only the margins of American society.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6927283/Nancy-Pelosi-takes-shot-AOC-says-glass-water-D-win-seat.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6927283/Nancy-Pelosi-takes-shot-AOC-says-glass-water-D-win-seat.html)

https://youtu.be/Ds0ShgV_e9M

https://youtu.be/Ds0ShgV_e9M (https://youtu.be/Ds0ShgV_e9M)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on April 16, 2019, 08:50:24 AM
Democrats can have 100 page policy proposals and no one will care - what they need is a good messenger that can cut through the fog of trumps campaign style which the media thrives on , media having learnt no lesson from 2016 coverage

To that end having a crowded field is a good thing - as it was for republicans in 2015.  Gone are the days of Establishment anointed heirs to the throne .

ANDREW YANG!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Compressed-Village on April 16, 2019, 02:04:54 PM
Democrats can have 100 page policy proposals and no one will care - what they need is a good messenger that can cut through the fog of trumps campaign style which the media thrives on , media having learnt no lesson from 2016 coverage

To that end having a crowded field is a good thing - as it was for republicans in 2015.  Gone are the days of Establishment anointed heirs to the throne .

ANDREW YANG!

I have to say that he is a very strong contender in the 2020 race. He will attract lots of blue collar workers that voted for Trump from his economic plan of UBI.

Well spoken and have a clear set of plans.

Andrew Yang might be the Obama reincarnation for the Dems.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on April 16, 2019, 07:23:59 PM
Democrats can have 100 page policy proposals and no one will care - what they need is a good messenger that can cut through the fog of trumps campaign style which the media thrives on , media having learnt no lesson from 2016 coverage

To that end having a crowded field is a good thing - as it was for republicans in 2015.  Gone are the days of Establishment anointed heirs to the throne .

ANDREW YANG!

I have to say that he is a very strong contender in the 2020 race. He will attract lots of blue collar workers that voted for Trump from his economic plan of UBI.

Well spoken and have a clear set of plans.

Andrew Yang might be the Obama reincarnation for the Dems.

He and mayor Pete both look promising
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on April 16, 2019, 08:50:50 PM
Democrats can have 100 page policy proposals and no one will care - what they need is a good messenger that can cut through the fog of trumps campaign style which the media thrives on , media having learnt no lesson from 2016 coverage

To that end having a crowded field is a good thing - as it was for republicans in 2015.  Gone are the days of Establishment anointed heirs to the throne .

ANDREW YANG!

I have to say that he is a very strong contender in the 2020 race. He will attract lots of blue collar workers that voted for Trump from his economic plan of UBI.

Well spoken and have a clear set of plans.

Andrew Yang might be the Obama reincarnation for the Dems.

He and mayor Pete both look promising

Yang/Buttigieg is a ticket I can get behind
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on April 16, 2019, 09:45:06 PM
Smith is spreading.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on April 17, 2019, 06:31:31 AM
can't wait to hear about how yang colluded with the robots and sexually assaulted a supercomputer  ;D
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on April 17, 2019, 08:57:59 AM
He is starting to get a handle of these 5 minute interviews...love it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ0-HEZ4oPg
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on April 17, 2019, 07:01:07 PM
GOP ers scared of the “bartender” . Cause she prob has bigger balls than them ...

Kentucky Republicans Worried Inviting AOC to Meet with Coal Miners Might Backfire

https://www.gq.com/story/ky-republicans-aoc-coal-miners/amp?utm_social-type=owned&utm_brand=gq&mbid=social_twitter&__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on April 17, 2019, 08:59:27 PM
No, more Smith, we want more.

https://youtu.be/bV-rhtet4Ow

https://youtu.be/bV-rhtet4Ow (https://youtu.be/bV-rhtet4Ow)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on April 25, 2019, 02:45:03 PM
oh no, joe....not like this!

(https://i.imgur.com/OROFFMG.jpg?1)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on May 02, 2019, 12:02:32 PM
This is a good article by the OC Register on Andrew Yang.

If you are the type to take the red pill, you will not regret reading it.

https://www.ocregister.com/2019/05/01/dont-sleep-on-andrew-yang/
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on May 18, 2019, 09:52:54 AM
Not an issue to hang your hat on in 2020, here or anywhere else...

Australia’s Conservatives Win Surprise Election Victory

Voters in mining areas turned on center-left opposition that had campaigned on climate change issues, preliminary results show

https://www.wsj.com/articles/australias-conservatives-appear-set-to-win-surprise-victory-11558186774 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/australias-conservatives-appear-set-to-win-surprise-victory-11558186774)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on May 21, 2019, 11:25:59 PM
Smith is multiplying and trying to absorb everything...cmon, it’s Wafer thin...

AOC demands Trump is impeached NOW

https://mol.im/a/7054871 (https://mol.im/a/7054871)

https://youtu.be/uRpt4a6H99c

https://youtu.be/uRpt4a6H99c (https://youtu.be/uRpt4a6H99c)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: momopi on May 23, 2019, 09:05:38 AM

...no discussion on potential impact of growing National Popular Vote interstate compact member states?  (195 EC votes as of yesterday).
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on May 24, 2019, 10:44:36 AM
"I'm the hunted one, I missed my chance...you think too much of me kid. I'm not that clever"
Nancy Solatzo to the Don.


https://youtu.be/VpiOa4Lt1ys

https://youtu.be/VpiOa4Lt1ys (https://youtu.be/VpiOa4Lt1ys)


Trump's payback begins: President tells Bill Barr to declassify ALL documents related to 'spying' on his 2016 campaign and orders intelligence chiefs to help the AG with his investigation

Trump demands that the agencies 'shall promptly provide such assistance and information as the Attorney General may request in connection with that review'
The order also allows Barr to declassify any information he sees fit during review
Last month, Barr said at a Senate hearing that 'spying' on Trump's campaign was carried out by U.S. intelligence agencies
The memo included the Secretary of State, the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of Defense, the Attorney General and the Secretary of Energy
It also included the Secretary of Homeland Security, the Director of National Intelligence and the Director of the CIA

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7065353/Trump-orders-intelligence-agencies-help-Barr-investigation-2016-election.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7065353/Trump-orders-intelligence-agencies-help-Barr-investigation-2016-election.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 29, 2019, 09:29:59 AM
Pretty much saying that he could have charged Trump...he would have.

Quote
In his statement, Mueller said his office could not bring criminal charges against the president because the team believed it to be unconstitutional.

“If we had had confidence that the president had clearly not committed a crime, we would have said so,” said Mueller, adding, “Charging the president with a crime is not an option we could consider.”

"It would be unfair to potentially accuse somebody of a crime when there can be no court resolution of the actual charge,” said Mueller, further explaining the reasoning.

https://news.yahoo.com/special-counsel-robert-mueller-public-statement-150102170.html
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on May 29, 2019, 09:44:19 AM
Investigation closed. No charge.  If Smith wants to bring impeachment charge....if you want him, come and claim him!

https://youtu.be/VlEhEw52kBg

https://youtu.be/VlEhEw52kBg (https://youtu.be/VlEhEw52kBg)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on May 29, 2019, 12:59:41 PM
Quote
“If we had had confidence that the president had clearly not committed a crime, we would have said so,” said Mueller, adding, “Charging the president with a crime is not an option we could consider.”

holy contradictory statement, batman!

in other words, "we could not charge the president with a crime because he did not commit one."

that's how the rule of law works, folks.  if you cannot be charged with a crime, you did not commit one :) god bless america!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on May 29, 2019, 01:07:12 PM
Of course with Hillary we have tons of evidence but concluded she had no "intent".  Trump on the other hand, they could find no evidence but he clearly had "intent". That makes sense.  Smith is screaming ....fish on!!

https://youtu.be/yCm4iVtBs7k

https://youtu.be/yCm4iVtBs7k (https://youtu.be/yCm4iVtBs7k)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 30, 2019, 05:38:46 PM
LOL

Quote
The U.S. will impose a 5% tariff on all Mexican imports from June 10 — and more duties will be added in the coming months if Mexico does not take action “reduce or eliminate the number of illegal aliens” crossing into the U.S., the White House said Thursday.

It comes as U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer on Thursday sent a letter to congressional leaders, kick starting the process of approving updates to the North American Free Trade Agreement.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/31/trump-says-us-will-impose-5percent-tariff-on-all-mexican-imports-from-june-10.html

I mean...I just don't...I...speechless.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on May 30, 2019, 06:08:29 PM
LOL

Quote
The U.S. will impose a 5% tariff on all Mexican imports from June 10 — and more duties will be added in the coming months if Mexico does not take action “reduce or eliminate the number of illegal aliens” crossing into the U.S., the White House said Thursday.

It comes as U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer on Thursday sent a letter to congressional leaders, kick starting the process of approving updates to the North American Free Trade Agreement.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/31/trump-says-us-will-impose-5percent-tariff-on-all-mexican-imports-from-june-10.html

I mean...I just don't...I...speechless.

mexico is paying for the wall!  ;D
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 30, 2019, 06:42:38 PM
LOL

Quote
The U.S. will impose a 5% tariff on all Mexican imports from June 10 — and more duties will be added in the coming months if Mexico does not take action “reduce or eliminate the number of illegal aliens” crossing into the U.S., the White House said Thursday.

It comes as U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer on Thursday sent a letter to congressional leaders, kick starting the process of approving updates to the North American Free Trade Agreement.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/31/trump-says-us-will-impose-5percent-tariff-on-all-mexican-imports-from-june-10.html

I mean...I just don't...I...speechless.

mexico is paying for the wall!  ;D

I hope you dont honestly believe that.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on May 30, 2019, 08:23:02 PM
LOL

Quote
The U.S. will impose a 5% tariff on all Mexican imports from June 10 — and more duties will be added in the coming months if Mexico does not take action “reduce or eliminate the number of illegal aliens” crossing into the U.S., the White House said Thursday.

It comes as U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer on Thursday sent a letter to congressional leaders, kick starting the process of approving updates to the North American Free Trade Agreement.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/31/trump-says-us-will-impose-5percent-tariff-on-all-mexican-imports-from-june-10.html

I mean...I just don't...I...speechless.

mexico is paying for the wall!  ;D

I hope you dont honestly believe that.

Man i had started reading this forum again as the nutjobs were silent but now here we go again ... nothing logical you say or do matters w this crowd : )
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 31, 2019, 09:29:57 AM
Yet another example of how Trump fails to grasp the concept of the global economy

Quote
In a series of tweets Friday morning, Trump wrote that if his proposed 5 percent tariff on all Mexican imports were to go into effect on June 10, a policy unveiled less than a day ago, then not only would Mexico be forced to address the influx of migrants crossing its borders headed for the United States, but also that drug smuggling would decrease, that US manufacturers would return stateside, and that the US trade deficit with Mexico could be remedied.


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/31/trump-mexico-tariffs-auto-industry-jobs-drug-smuggling-trade-deficit.html
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 31, 2019, 09:31:19 AM

Man i had started reading this forum again as the nutjobs were silent but now here we go again ... nothing logical you say or do matters w this crowd : )

Yeah...I just thought Trump's tariff announcement follows his administration's attempt to get a free trade agreement with Mexico to be approved in Congress was a hilarious (probably tragic) contrast.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on May 31, 2019, 10:54:06 AM
Yet another example of how Trump fails to grasp the concept of the global economy

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In a series of tweets Friday morning, Trump wrote that if his proposed 5 percent tariff on all Mexican imports were to go into effect on June 10, a policy unveiled less than a day ago, then not only would Mexico be forced to address the influx of migrants crossing its borders headed for the United States, but also that drug smuggling would decrease, that US manufacturers would return stateside, and that the US trade deficit with Mexico could be remedied.


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/31/trump-mexico-tariffs-auto-industry-jobs-drug-smuggling-trade-deficit.html

joke's on gopro, who just moved their manufacturing from china to mexico to avoid tariffs LOL
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 31, 2019, 12:25:58 PM
5% still less than 25+%. :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on May 31, 2019, 01:18:20 PM
5% still less than 25+%. :)

tariffs will be 25% on oct 1 if mexico does nothing to curb the crisis at the border ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on May 31, 2019, 01:21:04 PM
LOL

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The U.S. will impose a 5% tariff on all Mexican imports from June 10 — and more duties will be added in the coming months if Mexico does not take action “reduce or eliminate the number of illegal aliens” crossing into the U.S., the White House said Thursday.

It comes as U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer on Thursday sent a letter to congressional leaders, kick starting the process of approving updates to the North American Free Trade Agreement.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/31/trump-says-us-will-impose-5percent-tariff-on-all-mexican-imports-from-june-10.html

I mean...I just don't...I...speechless.

mexico is paying for the wall!  ;D

I hope you dont honestly believe that.

mexico is paying for the wall, and you're paying for an increased cost of goods from mexico

i.e. you're paying for the wall

LOL  8)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on May 31, 2019, 01:42:02 PM
let's do some quick math, just for fun

in 2018, we imported $346.5 billion in goods from Mexico.  at 25% tax, that's about $87b in revenue.  let's say the wall costs $30b just for fun.  that's 4 months where you have to pay 25% more for avocados so that we can build the wall.  tariffs go back down to 0%, everyone wins.

was that really so bad?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 31, 2019, 02:09:51 PM
let's do some quick math, just for fun

in 2018, we imported $346.5 billion in goods from Mexico.  at 25% tax, that's about $87b in revenue.  let's say the wall costs $30b just for fun.  that's 4 months where you have to pay 25% more for avocados so that we can build the wall.  tariffs go back down to 0%, everyone wins.

was that really so bad?

Yes because the wall is dumb and the economic impact of a tariff is way way beyond $87B.  There are direct costs...which leads to higher prices...which leads to lower consumer consumption and lower production.  Round and round we go into wonderful economic down spiral.

Oh and it makes us look like the angry kid who no one wants to play with.  For example:

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Trump’s 180-degree turn on one of the largest U.S. trading partners is sending a ominous message to the international community that he can’t be trusted, Wall Street policy analysts said, adding that China, already skeptical of Trump’s reliability, is now less likely to sign a trade deal with him.

“We view this action as further deteriorating the U.S.-China trade fight. Chinese officials have stated their concern about the reliability of President Trump as a trading partner. These tariffs were announced the same day as significant advancement of the USMCA. If China does not believe a deal will stick, why negotiate?” said Ed Mills, public policy analyst at Raymond James, in a note.

Chinese leader Xi Jinping and Trump are set to meet at the G-20 summit in Japan next month, but the Mexican tariffs put into further doubt that a “substantive” meeting is possible, Mills added.

“Trump’s readiness to hit a trading partner with new tariff threats soon after striking a trade deal will make China still more cautious about signing up to a deal that Trump then reneges upon, humiliating its leadership,” Krishna Guha, policy strategy analyst at Evercore, said in a note. “Beijing will remain open to talking, but this cannot help prospects for an early breakthrough at G20.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/31/surprise-mexican-tariffs-hurt-china-agreement-chances.html

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on May 31, 2019, 02:29:07 PM
I was going to ignore this, but it is frustrating , just the level of ignorance.

For the 100th time = Mexico is not paying the tariffs . The companies importing that stuff are . And nearly every survey has shown a vast majority of them are going to jack up prices on the consumer, you . With a special penalty thrown in if you buy avocados while wearing a stupid red hat .
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on May 31, 2019, 02:30:17 PM
Just like hackers and viruses... I don't think a wall is going to stop what we want to stop.

Let's build peace and love instead. :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on May 31, 2019, 03:11:30 PM
if everyone is so concerned about economic turmoil then what's a measly $25b for a stupid little wall?

surely we lose much more than $25b if we're destroying our international reputation and nobody wants to trade with us anymore.

oh yeah, that's right...rather cut off the nose to spite the face  ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on May 31, 2019, 03:39:53 PM
if everyone is so concerned about economic turmoil then what's a measly $25b for a stupid little wall?

surely we lose much more than $25b if we're destroying our international reputation and nobody wants to trade with us anymore.

oh yeah, that's right...rather cut off the nose to spite the face  ;)

Ironic that you use that quote in discussions in which Trump imposes tariffs to found a wall.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on June 01, 2019, 11:37:43 AM
With Cali's primary being moved up to "Super Tuesday", March 2020 rather than June, every pundit is expecting much more canvassing by candidates here in the Golden State - finally.... I might add....

I went to a Bernie rally in 2016 at the Anaheim Convention Center. Pretty interesting time there, not just the speech, but the crown, the energy, etc.  If Candidate X came to OC, would you take a day off to attend a rally? If so, who is your Candidate X?

Full disclosure, I'd see Bernie again. The rest?  ::) not so much. 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: nosuchreality on June 02, 2019, 06:46:48 AM
I think Bernie versus Trump in 2016 was the race we needed.  Now, its a loser IMHO.  I see Trump supporter posts in my social media. To them, scoialism is Venezuela and the USSR not Sweden, Norway, etc.  The there is of course that Trump is closer to Venezuela than he is Sweden.

Then there is the problem, IMHO, the left will have with the dirty secret of Democratic socialism in  places like Sweden.  It isn't that taxes are high, it's that they're relatively flat.  In the USA, you need to make about 8.5x the average income to hit the top bracket.  In Denmark, it's 1.2x, aka top tax bracket would kick in sub $60K. Sweden is 1.5x.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on June 04, 2019, 12:30:12 PM
Too funny, you knew this was coming...

Stop resisting’: Woman arrested for stabbing Trump baby balloon in London

A Trump supporter fed up with protesters in London demonstrated by stabbing their massive Trump baby balloon.

“I’m going in for it, I’m going,” an unidentified woman said in a video posted Tuesday.

“That’s a disgrace, it’s a national disgrace,” the woman said after she popped the balloon. “The president of the United States is the best president ever.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/stop-resisting-woman-arrested-for-stabbing-trump-baby-balloon-in-london (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/stop-resisting-woman-arrested-for-stabbing-trump-baby-balloon-in-london)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on June 04, 2019, 12:34:36 PM
With Cali's primary being moved up to "Super Tuesday", March 2020 rather than June, every pundit is expecting much more canvassing by candidates here in the Golden State - finally.... I might add....

I went to a Bernie rally in 2016 at the Anaheim Convention Center. Pretty interesting time there, not just the speech, but the crown, the energy, etc.  If Candidate X came to OC, would you take a day off to attend a rally? If so, who is your Candidate X?

Full disclosure, I'd see Bernie again. The rest?  ::) not so much.

Andrew Yang!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on June 04, 2019, 12:47:26 PM
Some times there are not enough rocks...or people to throw them.

London’s Anti-Trump Protests Smaller Than Expected on Damp Day

Protests in London against the state visit of U.S. President Donald Trump were smaller than expected as crowds failed to turn out in the same numbers as last time he visited.

Thousands gathered in central London bearing placards protesting Trump’s policies on minorities, healthcare, climate change and Palestinians. But the crowds on a damp Tuesday failed to rival those on a sunny Friday in July, when organizers estimated some 250,000 took to the streets.

“I heard there were protests; I said, where are the protests?” Trump said at a joint press conference with Prime Minister Theresa May. “I don’t see any protests. I did see a small protest today when I came. Very small. So a lot of it is fake news.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-04/london-s-anti-trump-protests-smaller-than-expected-on-damp-day (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-04/london-s-anti-trump-protests-smaller-than-expected-on-damp-day)


https://youtu.be/sbqd9ifpe3Y

https://youtu.be/sbqd9ifpe3Y (https://youtu.be/sbqd9ifpe3Y)

What happened to the 250,000?  Guess clouds, hate and trying to organize a rally on Facebook aren't enough to get you off your mums couch.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on June 04, 2019, 07:53:11 PM
Smith Sentences another who dares to question the movement....

Ocasio-Cortez Tells Democrat To ‘Sashay’ His Way Out Of 2020 Race

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez slammed 2020 Democratic presidential candidate John Delaney for opposing Medicare for All, suggesting he needed to “sashay away” from the rest of the field.

https://menrec.com/ocasio-cortez-tells-democrat-to-sashay-his-way-out-of-2020-race/ (https://menrec.com/ocasio-cortez-tells-democrat-to-sashay-his-way-out-of-2020-race/)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on June 08, 2019, 05:53:04 AM
update for all you chicken littles a few pages back...WINNING!

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US makes deal with Mexico on tariffs, immigration, Trump announces

The U.S. has reached an agreement with Mexico that heads off the start of tariffs on Monday.

The deal, announced by President Trump via tweet on Friday night, is said to include plans to return migrants seeking asylum to Mexico, where they will remain until their claims can be processed.

"I am pleased to inform you that The United States of America has reached a signed agreement with Mexico. The Tariffs scheduled to be implemented by the U.S. on Monday, against Mexico, are hereby indefinitely suspended," he said. "Mexico, in turn, has agreed to take strong measures to....stem the tide of Migration through Mexico, and to our Southern Border. This is being done to greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States. Details of the agreement will be released shortly by the State Department. Thank you!"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-makes-deal-with-mexico-on-tariffs-immigration-trump-announces (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-makes-deal-with-mexico-on-tariffs-immigration-trump-announces)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on June 08, 2019, 07:26:20 AM
You guys are like little kids — yippe , yaay  , papa trump got us a deal again :)

No wonder trump has a fan following among you guys - Republicans have a big grifter problem from this cult of personality that people fall prey to .


Why Are Republican Small Donors So Easy to Swindle?

By Jonathan Chait

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/republican-small-donors-easy-to-swindle-grifters.html


Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on June 10, 2019, 04:15:13 PM
I mean...do Trumpsters even care anymore?  Probably not but hey...those "understandings" were great to resolving problems with North Korea and China!

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The Mexican foreign minister says no secret immigration deal exists between Mexico and the US, just hours after President Donald Trump tweeted that a “fully signed and documented” agreement would be “be revealed in the not too distant future.”

Marcelo Ebrard, Mexico’s top diplomat, said in a news conference in Mexico City on Monday that there was an understanding that both countries would evaluate the number of migrants crossing the border of Mexico and the United States in the coming months, according to the New York Times. 

If the number is no significantly reduced, Mr Ebrard says, both nations will renew discussions about changes to regional asylum rules. According to American officials, those numbers will be reviewed in 45 days, and again in 90 days.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-us-mexico-deal-twitter-tariffs-immigration-border-a8952771.html

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You might say it’s The Art of the Deal.

First, spark a crisis by threatening harsh consequences if hazy, unspecified demands aren’t met.


Then, torque the suspense as an artificial deadline approaches, while nervous observers warn of the dire consequences of going over the cliff.

And finally, cut a vague, imperfect or constitutionally questionable deal at the last minute, claiming victory and savaging the critics.

This is the pattern, well-worn by now, of President Donald Trump’s negotiations with a host of adversaries, real or perceived — and it’s getting eerily familiar in Washington.

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In the case of Mexico, Trump didn’t get all he wanted. Mexican negotiators, for instance, would not agree to changes that would make it easier for the United States to turn down asylum-seekers from Central America, though they did assent to allowing some of them to stay in Mexico while their claims are heard in the U.S.

They also agreed to send 6,000 additional troops to their southern border with Guatemala, and they got the U.S. to back off threats to impose a 5 percent tariff on all exports that was set to go into effect Monday.

Those are actions, however, that Mexico has already undertaken, notes Shannon K. O’Neil, senior fellow for Latin America studies at the Council on Foreign Relations, who warned against the tariffs in an op-ed this week. “So it’s doubling down on what they were doing,” O’Neil told POLITICO, adding that it’s doubtful Mexico has the capacity to meaningfully stem the tide of migration.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/08/trump-trade-deals-mexico-china-1358155
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on June 10, 2019, 05:38:30 PM
whether you guys on the left think it's effective or not, at least trump is trying to do something.

guess who hasn't done anything for years?  congress.  finally we have a leader who is actively trying to work for us to curb illegal immigration, negotiate favorable trade deals, and on and on.

republicans see him as actually making a difference where congress has failed for years - that is why, where you point and laugh or see a big divisive bully, we see a leader who is standing up for us and working to make america even stronger.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on June 10, 2019, 05:42:57 PM
whether you guys on the left think it's effective or not, at least trump is trying to do something.

guess who hasn't done anything for years?  congress.  finally we have a leader who is actively trying to work for us to curb illegal immigration, negotiate favorable trade deals, and on and on.

republicans see him as actually making a difference where congress has failed for years - that is why, where you point and laugh or see a big divisive bully, we see a leader who is standing up for us and working to make america even stronger.

Except he has done none of those things while destablizing economies.

I remember the Trumpsters telling me how Trump was going to solve NK and China...how is that going?   

Remember that $1 trillion tax cut that was supposed to take GDP to 4 or 5%?   How is that going...I guess national debt is just a thing for Dem presidents.

We see an emperor with no clothes and you are telling me that nude is the new awesome.

We do not live in a zero-sum world...United States acting as bully just makes everyone else walk away.   It's just stupid.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on June 10, 2019, 07:43:04 PM
Trump: DO WHAT I SAY OR THERE WILL BE TARIFFS
Mexico:
Trump: I'M WARNING YOU
Mexico:
Trump: THIS IS YOUR LAST WARNING
Mexico:
Trump:
Mexico:
Trump:
Mexico:
Trump: ok, just keep on doing what you've been doing
Mexico:
Trump: I WIN! I WIN! I'M THE BEST! THE BEST! EVERYONE SAYS SO
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: aquabliss on June 11, 2019, 12:46:04 AM
https://www.instaghub.com/post/BygIZY2Aza8
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on June 11, 2019, 02:31:40 PM
JUST DOING THINGS TO SHAKE THINGS UP!

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Two accounts, a new book by the Washington Post reporter Anna Fifield and a Wall Street Journal story, report that Kim’s brother Kim Jong Nam was a CIA informant. Kim Jong Nam was killed in a shocking chemical-weapons attack in the Kuala Lumpur airport in February 2017. Trump was asked about the revelation as he left the White House for a trip to Iowa, and his answer was jarring.

“I see that, and I just received a beautiful letter from Kim Jong Un,” Trump said. “I think the relationship is very well, but I appreciated the letter. I saw the information about the CIA with regard to his brother or half brother, and I would tell him that would not happen under my auspices. I wouldn’t let that happen under my auspices. I just received a beautiful letter from Kim Jong Un.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/06/trump-kim-no-north-korea-spying-under-my-auspices/591457/
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on June 12, 2019, 04:46:35 AM
Adventures of the idiot in the White House , part 3,066 —

“CNN — President Trump pulls a piece of paper from his jacket he says is one page of a secret agreement with Mexico: "I am going to let Mexico do the announcement at the right time."

The Mexican foreign minister indicated there is no secret or outstanding deal “
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on June 12, 2019, 06:39:49 AM
whether you guys on the left think it's effective or not, at least trump is trying to do something.

guess who hasn't done anything for years?  congress.  finally we have a leader who is actively trying to work for us to curb illegal immigration, negotiate favorable trade deals, and on and on.

republicans see him as actually making a difference where congress has failed for years - that is why, where you point and laugh or see a big divisive bully, we see a leader who is standing up for us and working to make america even stronger.

Except he has done none of those things while destablizing economies.

I remember the Trumpsters telling me how Trump was going to solve NK and China...how is that going?   

Remember that $1 trillion tax cut that was supposed to take GDP to 4 or 5%?   How is that going...I guess national debt is just a thing for Dem presidents.

We see an emperor with no clothes and you are telling me that nude is the new awesome.

We do not live in a zero-sum world...United States acting as bully just makes everyone else walk away.   It's just stupid.

you see destabilized economies, we see record low unemployment and record high stock market

you see nk and china unsolved after 2 years of trump in office, we see zero progress with nk and china taking advantage of us over the past 30 years with trump at least making slow progress

you see no effect from the tax cut, we see people paying lower taxes and a booming economy in an otherwise lagging world economy

you see an emperor....we also see an emperor  ;)

btw, still waiting on the rest of the world to turn their back on the us.  trump is throwing his weight around because the rest of the world has been taking advantage of our generosity for years.  finally the american people have a president that is fighting for them!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 12, 2019, 07:01:03 AM
So is the Fed cutting rates or not?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on June 12, 2019, 08:10:42 AM
So is the Fed cutting rates or not?

good question.  I will let the MAGA cheer leaders respond first here -- see how they wiggle and contort out of this one

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on June 12, 2019, 08:15:02 AM
I for one hope he doesn't.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on June 12, 2019, 08:47:01 AM
whether you guys on the left think it's effective or not, at least trump is trying to do something.

guess who hasn't done anything for years?  congress.  finally we have a leader who is actively trying to work for us to curb illegal immigration, negotiate favorable trade deals, and on and on.

republicans see him as actually making a difference where congress has failed for years - that is why, where you point and laugh or see a big divisive bully, we see a leader who is standing up for us and working to make america even stronger.

Except he has done none of those things while destablizing economies.

I remember the Trumpsters telling me how Trump was going to solve NK and China...how is that going?   

Remember that $1 trillion tax cut that was supposed to take GDP to 4 or 5%?   How is that going...I guess national debt is just a thing for Dem presidents.

We see an emperor with no clothes and you are telling me that nude is the new awesome.

We do not live in a zero-sum world...United States acting as bully just makes everyone else walk away.   It's just stupid.

you see destabilized economies, we see record low unemployment and record high stock market

you see nk and china unsolved after 2 years of trump in office, we see zero progress with nk and china taking advantage of us over the past 30 years with trump at least making slow progress

you see no effect from the tax cut, we see people paying lower taxes and a booming economy in an otherwise lagging world economy

you see an emperor....we also see an emperor  ;)

btw, still waiting on the rest of the world to turn their back on the us.  trump is throwing his weight around because the rest of the world has been taking advantage of our generosity for years.  finally the american people have a president that is fighting for them!

Again..you think that things are "better" when in fact they are worse.

NK now has more standing and clout in world than before and China is becoming a viable alternative trade partner as compared to US.  But you can't see that.

Economic effects shakes out over years...not in months.  Go ask those farmers in the Midwest and the retail/apparel business how those tariffs are working out.  The fact that you think unemployment rates and stock market are the prime indicators for the economy is hilarious.

Similarly...you see people paying less taxes when all the studies (including the CBO) show that the tax cuts have done none of the things that it was supposed to do and we are facing a $1 trillion deficit.  But hey who cares right?

It's fine...it is what it is.  Trumpsters have always been more about handwaving and symbol than substance. 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on June 12, 2019, 09:09:50 AM
But if GDP, unemployment, incomes, manufacturing, the stock markets, and government tax receipts were tanking while interest rate, energy costs and inflation were skyrocketing you would be screaming bloody murder that Trump caused it....and yet, none of that is happening, in fact, quite the opposite is true, but that outcome (because it's good) he has nothing to do with?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on June 12, 2019, 09:47:08 AM
Biden can't stop plagiarizing others.....

Michael Avenatti: Joe Biden stole ‘my slogan and theme’

Disgraced leftist attorney Michael Avenatti claims Democratic presidential frontrunner Joe Biden basically stole his campaign “slogan and theme.”

Biden announced his campaign slogan “Make America America Again” yesterday.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/06/12/michael-avenatti-joe-biden-stole-my-slogan-and-theme-764125 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/06/12/michael-avenatti-joe-biden-stole-my-slogan-and-theme-764125)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on June 12, 2019, 10:35:46 AM
IC - doesn’t matter , cult members see what they want to see.  Trump tweeted a “great day” for the market yesterday when stocks actually ended up in the red . They will believe trump over math.   (“Muslim math” for all you VEEP fans) :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on June 12, 2019, 11:55:10 AM
Goes both ways.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Liar Loan on June 12, 2019, 01:47:12 PM
Biden can't stop plagiarizing others.....

And neither can fortune11 for that matter (h/t Aquabliss).
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on June 12, 2019, 01:55:04 PM
Biden can't stop plagiarizing others.....

Michael Avenatti: Joe Biden stole ‘my slogan and theme’

Disgraced leftist attorney Michael Avenatti claims Democratic presidential frontrunner Joe Biden basically stole his campaign “slogan and theme.”

Biden announced his campaign slogan “Make America America Again” yesterday.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/06/12/michael-avenatti-joe-biden-stole-my-slogan-and-theme-764125 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/06/12/michael-avenatti-joe-biden-stole-my-slogan-and-theme-764125)

LOL is this for real?  "make america america again" ?  trump is such a good messenger that biden (and cpl) can't even come up with their own slogan.  biden is going to be a complete dumpster fire and i cannot wait!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on June 13, 2019, 12:37:18 PM
Just a matter of time until he gets convicted/pleads...curious to see if he steps down.

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California GOP Rep. Duncan Hunter's wife Margaret pleaded guilty on Thursday to conspiring with her husband to "knowingly and willingly" convert campaign funds for personal use and has agreed to cooperate with prosecutors.

Both Hunters previously pleaded not guilty to federal charges that they had stolen a quarter of a million dollars in campaign funds to furnish their lavish lifestyle.

Margaret Hunter appeared alone with her lawyers in a federal district court in San Diego before Judge Thomas Whelan, where she changed her plea in the high-profile case. The congressman did not appear with his wife on Thursday.

She acknowledged she was a member of the conspiracy and as part of that conspiracy, she and her husband spent more than $10,000 on a family vacation to Italy on the campaign credit card, knowing it was well outside the family's budget. Duncan Hunter attempted to set up a one-day tour of a naval base in Italy to justify the trip.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/13/politics/margaret-hunter-duncan-hunter-california/index.html
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on June 13, 2019, 01:24:55 PM
Just a matter of time until he gets convicted/pleads...curious to see if he steps down.

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California GOP Rep. Duncan Hunter's wife Margaret pleaded guilty on Thursday to conspiring with her husband to "knowingly and willingly" convert campaign funds for personal use and has agreed to cooperate with prosecutors.

Both Hunters previously pleaded not guilty to federal charges that they had stolen a quarter of a million dollars in campaign funds to furnish their lavish lifestyle.

Margaret Hunter appeared alone with her lawyers in a federal district court in San Diego before Judge Thomas Whelan, where she changed her plea in the high-profile case. The congressman did not appear with his wife on Thursday.

She acknowledged she was a member of the conspiracy and as part of that conspiracy, she and her husband spent more than $10,000 on a family vacation to Italy on the campaign credit card, knowing it was well outside the family's budget. Duncan Hunter attempted to set up a one-day tour of a naval base in Italy to justify the trip.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/13/politics/margaret-hunter-duncan-hunter-california/index.html

Not shocking or surprising at all.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on June 14, 2019, 07:40:38 AM
Just a matter of time until he gets convicted/pleads...curious to see if he steps down.

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California GOP Rep. Duncan Hunter's wife Margaret pleaded guilty on Thursday to conspiring with her husband to "knowingly and willingly" convert campaign funds for personal use and has agreed to cooperate with prosecutors.

Both Hunters previously pleaded not guilty to federal charges that they had stolen a quarter of a million dollars in campaign funds to furnish their lavish lifestyle.

Margaret Hunter appeared alone with her lawyers in a federal district court in San Diego before Judge Thomas Whelan, where she changed her plea in the high-profile case. The congressman did not appear with his wife on Thursday.

She acknowledged she was a member of the conspiracy and as part of that conspiracy, she and her husband spent more than $10,000 on a family vacation to Italy on the campaign credit card, knowing it was well outside the family's budget. Duncan Hunter attempted to set up a one-day tour of a naval base in Italy to justify the trip.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/13/politics/margaret-hunter-duncan-hunter-california/index.html

I knew before the election he'd win but my best guess now would be his wife falls on the sword with her guilty plea and takes the brunt of the heat.

That guy is gonna get schooled in Florida.  Desantis will win easily.  And to the consternation of many, Duncan Hunter, in San Diego (if he doesn't pull out) will win his seat again.  Mark my words.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on June 14, 2019, 04:37:53 PM
Just a matter of time until he gets convicted/pleads...curious to see if he steps down.

Quote
California GOP Rep. Duncan Hunter's wife Margaret pleaded guilty on Thursday to conspiring with her husband to "knowingly and willingly" convert campaign funds for personal use and has agreed to cooperate with prosecutors.

Both Hunters previously pleaded not guilty to federal charges that they had stolen a quarter of a million dollars in campaign funds to furnish their lavish lifestyle.

Margaret Hunter appeared alone with her lawyers in a federal district court in San Diego before Judge Thomas Whelan, where she changed her plea in the high-profile case. The congressman did not appear with his wife on Thursday.

She acknowledged she was a member of the conspiracy and as part of that conspiracy, she and her husband spent more than $10,000 on a family vacation to Italy on the campaign credit card, knowing it was well outside the family's budget. Duncan Hunter attempted to set up a one-day tour of a naval base in Italy to justify the trip.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/13/politics/margaret-hunter-duncan-hunter-california/index.html

I knew before the election he'd win but my best guess now would be his wife falls on the sword with her guilty plea and takes the brunt of the heat.

That guy is gonna get schooled in Florida.  Desantis will win easily.  And to the consternation of many, Duncan Hunter, in San Diego (if he doesn't pull out) will win his seat again.  Mark my words.

You don't understand how this work then...she is getting off easy so she can testify against Hunter.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on June 18, 2019, 09:16:27 AM
My man Swalwell drew 18 to his rally today...One dollar well spent!

The NRA posted photos of Swalwell and the 18 people who showed up to listen to his gun control push. The glass building in the background is NRA headquarters:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1140733643381493760

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on June 18, 2019, 11:07:59 AM
My man Swalwell drew 18 to his rally today...One dollar well spent!

The NRA posted photos of Swalwell and the 18 people who showed up to listen to his gun control push. The glass building in the background is NRA headquarters:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1140733643381493760

wow, i can't believe you would post this complete fabrication of fake news!

....

there are at least 19 people there! (if you count swalwell LOL)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9SjEFYXsAAKHKd.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on June 18, 2019, 11:19:04 AM
But there was thirty or forty media to cover the mob...right across town at Trumps rally?  hmmmmm

How Trump's reelection rally is affecting planes, trains and traffic in Orlando

ORLANDO, Fla. - President Donald Trump’s visit to Orlando on Tuesday is impacting how planes, trains and automobiles travel to and through the City Beautiful.

As tens of thousands of people flood downtown Orlando for Trump’s reelection rally, the city’s transit systems are adapting their schedules to meet the increased demand while also curbing traffic on certain roads for security purposes.

https://www.wftv.com/news/local/supporters-camping-out-roads-already-closed-ahead-of-president-trumps-orlando-rally/958823101 (https://www.wftv.com/news/local/supporters-camping-out-roads-already-closed-ahead-of-president-trumps-orlando-rally/958823101)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 10, 2019, 12:39:02 PM

Anyways — Keep clutching to your old world views - you guys can afford to since many of you are self employed and can live out your fantasies on right leaning forums like these and likeminded Facebook groups etc .

But out in the real world , norms are changing fast and there is only so much change you can hold off clinging on to a thin undemocratic senate majority. 

Just think of all the stuff you guys took for granted even 10 years ago that is no longer acceptable.

Five more years of Trump, then eight more years of Pence.  13 more years of no change...I'll take that, after I'm gone I could care less, my kids problem, I'm confident they'll deal with it properly.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 10, 2019, 02:27:59 PM
you cannot make this up

so the geniuses at white house created a forum on "social media censorship" and happened to invite an alt right type cartoonist . 

when they found out who he was , they kicked him out

 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 10, 2019, 02:52:45 PM
You and Carl will never understand

Liberal Media Scream: Bernstein wants probe of why people support Trump

On CNN’s Reliable Sources, Bernstein accused Trump of bringing a “cold civil war almost to the point of ignition” by promoting “undemocratic notions and authoritarian notions.”

And he urged an exploration of why people support him “no matter what he does, no matter how outrageous seemingly his conduct is.” He urged the media to do “some real reporting” by making “our table bigger in terms of our reportorial landscape.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/liberal-media-scream-bernstein-wants-probe-of-why-people-support-trump (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/liberal-media-scream-bernstein-wants-probe-of-why-people-support-trump)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 10, 2019, 03:55:04 PM
Yeah no one can understand the dumb-assery of the MAGA cult - have to agree w you there 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 10, 2019, 04:04:41 PM
Stormey stormey stormey... avenatti avenatti avenatti.. uhh meuller mueller mueller...uhhh impeach impeach impeach. Uhh Epstein Epstein ep....who’s Really the dumbasses?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 10, 2019, 04:32:06 PM
That was so easy . I rest my case :) 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 10, 2019, 04:58:25 PM
I rested my case November 8 2016.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 10, 2019, 05:21:52 PM
Oh really - then why are you always here like a crank pot in town square shouting at passers by ? 

Why all the insecurity ?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 10, 2019, 09:06:13 PM
Entertainment
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 11, 2019, 05:03:23 AM
Sounds about right ...


Trump — “ A big subject today at the White House Social Media Summit will be the tremendous dishonesty, bias, discrimination and suppression practiced by certain companies. We will not let them get away with it much longer. The Fake News Media will also be there, but for a limited period..“

“....The Fake News is not as important, or as powerful, as Social Media. They have lost tremendous credibility since that day in November, 2016, that I came down the escalator with the person who was to become your future First Lady. When I ultimately leave office in six......”

....years, or maybe 10 or 14 (just kidding), they will quickly go out of business for lack of credibility, or approval, from the public. That’s why they will all be Endorsing me at some point, one way or the other. Could you imagine having Sleepy Joe Biden, or @AlfredENeuman99,..

...or a very nervous and skinny version of Pocahontas (1000/24th), as your President, rather than what you have now, so great looking and smart, a true Stable Genius! Sorry to say that even Social Media would be driven out of business along with, and finally, the Fake News Media! “

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 12, 2019, 06:48:58 AM
Stormey stormey stormey... avenatti avenatti avenatti.. uhh meuller mueller mueller...uhhh impeach impeach impeach. Uhh Epstein Epstein ep....who’s Really the dumbasses?

Labor Secretary Alex Acosta is resigning as pressure mounts from Jeffrey Epstein case

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/12/labor-secretary-alex-acosta-is-resigning-as-pressure-mounts-from-jeffrey-epstein-case.html

Get him out of here and cut his access to his email.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 12, 2019, 08:21:09 AM
Removal of a total 'Squirrel!!'. I for one thought the initial deal stunk to high heaven so the loss of Acosta is no biggie.  The removal takes off the table the distraction of trying to splash this mess on Trump.  Now the decks are cleared to expose most of these scumbags...the majority of which are high profile dems...lookin at you billy boy and your 26 flights on the Lolita Express....

Bill Clinton ditched Secret Service on multiple 'Lolita Express' flights: Report

An investigation into official flight records of financier and convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein’s “Lolita Express” are once again dragging former President Bill Clinton into the national spotlight.

Flight logs obtained by Gawker in January 2015 put Mr. Clinton on the billionaire’s infamous jet more than a dozen times — sometimes with a woman whom federal prosecutors suspect of procuring underage sex victims for Mr. Epstein. Fox News reported Friday that records show Mr. Clinton declined Secret Service protection on at least five flights.

The network’s investigation reveals Mr. Clinton flew on the Boeing 727 “Lolita Express” 26 times, more than doubling the previously reported 11 trips.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/14/bill-clinton-ditched-secret-service-on-multiple-lo/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/14/bill-clinton-ditched-secret-service-on-multiple-lo/)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 12, 2019, 08:28:59 AM
Morekas do you live in Los Angeles or LA aka Louisiana?
You didn’t even endorse the LA Country Republican from Valencia during the midterms. (Not a single word) btw-the republican lost that seat.

#bot
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 12, 2019, 08:44:46 AM
I used to live in Irvine but I live in LB. Not that it matters, I see Cali as a total loss.  I vote on the tax related issues but other than that, my vote or endorsement are pointless.  I vote because it gives me the right to bitch.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 12, 2019, 08:45:26 AM
$1 million in private flights and a $31,000 table —here are the 6 Trump Cabinet members under scrutiny for their lavish spending of taxpayer money

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/trump-cabinet-officials-spending-taxpayer-money-under-fire-2018-3

Send them an invoice for the private flights. Maybe I should ping Ted Cruz as we are on the same page on invoicing. Like how I was the first to bring up invoicing Iran for the down drone and then he mentioned it. (it maybe coincidence or maybe not)



Removal of a total 'Squirrel!!'. I for one thought the initial deal stunk to high heaven so the loss of Acosta is no biggie.  The removal takes off the table the distraction of trying to splash this mess on Trump.  Now the decks are cleared to expose most of these scumbags...the majority of which are high profile dems...lookin at you billy boy and your 26 flights on the Lolita Express....

Bill Clinton ditched Secret Service on multiple 'Lolita Express' flights: Report

An investigation into official flight records of financier and convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein’s “Lolita Express” are once again dragging former President Bill Clinton into the national spotlight.

Flight logs obtained by Gawker in January 2015 put Mr. Clinton on the billionaire’s infamous jet more than a dozen times — sometimes with a woman whom federal prosecutors suspect of procuring underage sex victims for Mr. Epstein. Fox News reported Friday that records show Mr. Clinton declined Secret Service protection on at least five flights.

The network’s investigation reveals Mr. Clinton flew on the Boeing 727 “Lolita Express” 26 times, more than doubling the previously reported 11 trips.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/14/bill-clinton-ditched-secret-service-on-multiple-lo/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/14/bill-clinton-ditched-secret-service-on-multiple-lo/)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 12, 2019, 08:52:39 AM
More 'typical' government corruption.  As i have said many times..."they are all scumbags, both sides", so this stuff doesn't interest me, in fact I expect it.  Flying on the government dole is one thing, flying on the tab of a known pedophile to a known pedophile island and ditching your secret service detail so as to reduce the witnesses to the impending molestation's is not typical corruption.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 12, 2019, 08:55:54 AM
Maybe you should focus on LB before you run your mouth. As there is a lot to fix and talk about.


I used to live in Irvine but I live in LB. Not that it matters, I see Cali as a total loss.  I vote on the tax related issues but other than that, my vote or endorsement are pointless.  I vote because it gives me the right to bitch.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 12, 2019, 09:09:06 AM
Two wrongs doesn’t make it right. Also, running a campaign to drain the swamp, but now it feels like a junkyard. Turned for the worst not the better.

More 'typical' government corruption.  As i have said many times..."they are all scumbags, both sides", so this stuff doesn't interest me, in fact I expect it.  Flying on the government dole is one thing, flying on the tab of a known pedophile to a known pedophile island and ditching your secret service detail so as to reduce the witnesses to the impending molestation's is not typical corruption.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 12, 2019, 10:05:12 AM
LB is even worse than OC, but OC might be saved...I hold out hope.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 12, 2019, 10:08:51 AM
Two wrongs doesn’t make it right. Also, running a campaign to drain the swamp, but now it feels like a junkyard. Turned for the worst not the better.

More 'typical' government corruption.  As i have said many times..."they are all scumbags, both sides", so this stuff doesn't interest me, in fact I expect it.  Flying on the government dole is one thing, flying on the tab of a known pedophile to a known pedophile island and ditching your secret service detail so as to reduce the witnesses to the impending molestation's is not typical corruption.

So you hold a moral equivalence between pedophilia and larceny? I don't. 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 12, 2019, 10:21:55 AM
Two wrongs doesn’t make it right. Also, running a campaign to drain the swamp, but now it feels like a junkyard. Turned for the worst not the better.

More 'typical' government corruption.  As i have said many times..."they are all scumbags, both sides", so this stuff doesn't interest me, in fact I expect it.  Flying on the government dole is one thing, flying on the tab of a known pedophile to a known pedophile island and ditching your secret service detail so as to reduce the witnesses to the impending molestation's is not typical corruption.

So you hold a moral equivalence between pedophilia and larceny? I don't. 

Me or you didn’t run a campaign to drain the swamp. But someone did. Correct?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 12, 2019, 10:24:57 AM
Two wrongs doesn’t make it right. Also, running a campaign to drain the swamp, but now it feels like a junkyard. Turned for the worst not the better.

More 'typical' government corruption.  As i have said many times..."they are all scumbags, both sides", so this stuff doesn't interest me, in fact I expect it.  Flying on the government dole is one thing, flying on the tab of a known pedophile to a known pedophile island and ditching your secret service detail so as to reduce the witnesses to the impending molestation's is not typical corruption.

So you hold a moral equivalence between pedophilia and larceny? I don't. 

Me or you didn’t run a campaign to drain the swamp. But someone did. Correct?

i didn't see epstein taken down under obama's watch  ::)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 12, 2019, 10:28:20 AM
Again, political corruption and politicians promises to eradicate it (on both sides) never interested me.  Politics and self interested corruption are insuperable.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 12, 2019, 10:30:56 AM
Again, political corruption and politicians promises to eradicate it (on both sides) never interested me.  Politics and self interested corruption are insuperable.

But you posted an article about Obama admin. But when I post an article questioning the Trump admin spending in the Millions. Then you say politics is corrupt. I think there is a big difference between money and the number of people. So for example 1 person vs 6 plus 2 or 3 more or even more too many too count [like a lot] (the article is an old article regarding Trumps administration). Also, don’t blame me. I didn’t pick them. They are not my first choice. (Definitely not)

Remember you are dealing with a Genius. Bring your A game or sit on the bench.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 12, 2019, 11:28:03 AM
Remember you are dealing with a Genius.

Quote
Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; a stranger, and not your own lips.

- Proverbs 27:2
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 12, 2019, 11:55:06 AM
simply put, and repeating this again

if SDNY case proves that bill clinton is a child rapist, normal americans will turn against bill clinton as they should

BUT

if it turns out trump is a child rapist, his supporters, including the "small business owner" geniuses here , will turn against SDNY

that's all you need to know .. and they will get ready made permission slips in the form of conspiracy theories from drudge / fox and rest of the right wing gutter
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on July 12, 2019, 12:03:54 PM
Remember you are dealing with a Genius.

Quote
Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; a stranger, and not your own lips.

- Proverbs 27:2

In that case, I think eyephone is a

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/00/e1/78/00e178b3bfc6e63946bd2d13e625c55f.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 12, 2019, 12:09:26 PM
As always, this will not have anything to do with Trump as much as they "wish" it would.  Once again...nothing will happen to him...now some big Dems are the ones hoping the light doesn't find them in the corners.  Trump wont need the excuses.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on July 12, 2019, 12:12:27 PM
As always, this will not have anything to do with Trump as much as they "wish" it would.  Once again...nothing will happen to him...now some big Dems are the ones hoping the light doesn't find them in the corners.  Trump wont need the excuses.
This story will disappear very quickly once it becomes clear how many big name Dems took Epstein's money.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 12, 2019, 02:59:49 PM
if it turns out trump is a child rapist, his supporters, including the "small business owner" geniuses here , will turn against SDNY

I have more hope in mankind that this will not be the case.

No one is above the law when it comes to that type of crime.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 12, 2019, 03:27:09 PM
Remember you are dealing with a Genius.

Quote
Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; a stranger, and not your own lips.

- Proverbs 27:2

In that case, I think eyephone is a

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/00/e1/78/00e178b3bfc6e63946bd2d13e625c55f.jpg)

Say no mo’ - Like a pro  ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 12, 2019, 03:51:00 PM
if it turns out trump is a child rapist, his supporters, including the "small business owner" geniuses here , will turn against SDNY



I have more hope in mankind that this will not be the case.

No one is above the law when it comes to that type of crime.

Well , 10 years ago, would you have believed white southern evangelicals to praise someone like trump as the second coming of Christ ?

Would you have expected a child molester like Roy Moore to only lose by a 1.5 percent margin ? And that too only because democrats were able to field the reddest possible candidate they could .
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 12, 2019, 04:21:23 PM
trump will never win the republican nomination
trump will never win the presidency
trump will get taken down by stormy & avenatti
trump will never cut regulations
trump will never confirm gorsuch
trump will never build the wall
trump will never confirm kavanaugh
trump will never get along with north korea and stop their nuclear testing
trump will never be exonerated by mueller
trump will never get a new nafta deal

trump will get taken down by epstein
trump will never make a deal with iran
trump will never win in 2020
trump will never end the trade war with china
trump will never pass new healthcare

you guys are too funny  ;D
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 12, 2019, 04:42:13 PM
Height of thick headed ness

I am actually saying trump WONT be taken down by Epstein given dedicated fanboys like yourself 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 12, 2019, 04:46:07 PM
Remember you are dealing with a Genius.

Quote
Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; a stranger, and not your own lips.

- Proverbs 27:2

Nice try. But someone just called me a super genius. (Let’s go)

#blingbling
 ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 12, 2019, 04:49:24 PM
Trump won’t be taken down by Epstein because...he has nothing to do with that scandal either. Period. No need for fanboy cover ups, nothin to see.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 12, 2019, 04:51:00 PM
Trump won’t be taken down by Epstein because...he has nothing to do with that scandal either. Period. No need for fanboy cover ups, nothin to see.

No one said he will.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 12, 2019, 05:00:28 PM
Trump won’t be taken down by Epstein because...he has nothing to do with that scandal either. Period. No need for fanboy cover ups, nothin to see.

No one said he will.

This is called ultimate devotion . Giving him a clean chit before investigation is barely completed.  Notice trump never paid a price for witness tampering or a gazillion other crimes that would brought down any number of presidents

These fanboys will also go along w suspending democracy if it means taking revenge and grave dancing

When you are motivated by hate , every action is justifiable
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 12, 2019, 05:51:05 PM
Pretty sure these things have not happened:

Quote
trump will never build the wall

I'm sorry...when did this happen?  By the way, who is paying for this alleged wall?

Quote
trump will never get along with north korea and stop their nuclear testing

Pretty sure we are in exactly the same position as we were with NK as when Trump got elected...except the silly love letters.

Quote
trump will never be exonerated by mueller

From the Mueller's press conference:

Quote
WASHINGTON (AP) — Special counsel Robert Mueller said Wednesday that charging President Donald Trump with a crime was “not an option” because of federal rules, but he used his first public remarks on the Russia investigation to emphasize that he did not exonerate the president.

“If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so,” Mueller declared.

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trump will never get a new nafta deal

The new "NAFTA" deal is basically the old NAFTA deal...and it's not passing Congress.

And somehow getting Supreme Court justices confirmed by a Senate with a GOP majority are accomplishments? 

Of the remainder...Trump's biggest accomplishments are 1) cutting regulations and 2) not being taken down by a former porn star and celebrity attorney?

Wow...Teddy Roosevelt has nothing on Trump.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 12, 2019, 11:41:03 PM
Barely completed investigation? This has been investigated for 15 or more years. It doesn’t take devotion, just simple common sense to see who is going down and who has nothing to do with this. Dems, not Trump are getting cold sweats, as well they should. Anything else is wishful thinking on your part.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: zubs on July 12, 2019, 11:58:10 PM
Actually trump had the balls to put a 25% tariff on China, and is threatening more tariffs.  This would not have happened with another candidate.
Whether it is good or bad remains to be seen.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 13, 2019, 05:51:58 AM
Actually trump had the balls to put a 25% tariff on China, and is threatening more tariffs.  This would not have happened with another candidate.
Whether it is good or bad remains to be seen.

That is true...but as you stated...that is an action, not an accomplishment.  George Bush had the "balls" to invade Afghanistan and Iraq,  16 years later...not exactly great results.  Just like Trumps' tax cuts...still waiting for them to pay for themselves.

Actually, it makes it worse.  The only things that Trump has done has had little or no short term benefit but has the chance of having significant longterm negative impact.  But as the Trumpsters say...who cares...that is 10 years from now.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 13, 2019, 06:21:44 AM
thank you for the 2020 campaign ad!  i swear, you guys really are hell bent on handing trump 2020 on a silver platter LOL

Quote
WATCH: Protesters at ICE facility in Aurora pull down American flag and raise Mexican flag

(https://www.denverpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/TDP-L-iceprotest071219-cha-1524.jpg?w=910)

Protesters upset with the federal immigration roundups that may occur this weekend in Denver gathered Friday night at the ICE facility in Aurora.

The majority of protesters on site were doing so in a peaceful and law-abiding manner. Another group stormed the barriers near the building and pulled down an American flag off the flag pole in front of the facility and replaced it with a Mexican flag.

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/07/12/ice-facility-protesters-mexican-flag-raised/ (https://www.denverpost.com/2019/07/12/ice-facility-protesters-mexican-flag-raised/)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 13, 2019, 07:48:37 AM
Wow you are so insecure .  Everyone here has explicitly said multiple times that trump will NOT face any consequences even if he is a proven child rapist . Your comments only prove that point .

Justin Amash said it best — the mistake he made was believing conservatism is an ideology . It is nothing more than a tribal identity .

Which all you guys are wrapped up in . And the same people go to church with a straight face . Are you guys teaching your kids the same twisted values ?

As to the sweetheart deal from  the “investigation “ 15 years ago, the guy who signed off on that , trump s labor secretary Acosta, is out of a job just this week

Let me use your own cliche words on you — “ you just don’t get it , do you ? “
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 13, 2019, 08:51:52 AM
Removal of a total 'Squirrel!!'. I for one thought the initial deal stunk to high heaven so the loss of Acosta is no biggie.  The removal takes off the table the distraction of trying to splash this mess on Trump.  Now the decks are cleared to expose most of these scumbags...the majority of which are high profile dems...lookin at you billy boy and your 26 flights on the Lolita Express....

Bill Clinton ditched Secret Service on multiple 'Lolita Express' flights: Report

An investigation into official flight records of financier and convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein’s “Lolita Express” are once again dragging former President Bill Clinton into the national spotlight.

Flight logs obtained by Gawker in January 2015 put Mr. Clinton on the billionaire’s infamous jet more than a dozen times — sometimes with a woman whom federal prosecutors suspect of procuring underage sex victims for Mr. Epstein. Fox News reported Friday that records show Mr. Clinton declined Secret Service protection on at least five flights.

The network’s investigation reveals Mr. Clinton flew on the Boeing 727 “Lolita Express” 26 times, more than doubling the previously reported 11 trips.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/14/bill-clinton-ditched-secret-service-on-multiple-lo/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/14/bill-clinton-ditched-secret-service-on-multiple-lo/)

All too easy

Trump Clears Democrat Smokescreen with Removal of Acosta

So the most likely explanation is that Trump sacrificed Acosta to penetrate the political smokescreen that the Democrats and media created with the entire Acosta brouhaha.  The attack on Acosta was designed to divert attention from the actual involvement of Democrat worthies with Epstein, and most notably former President Bill Clinton.

Compared to Acosta and Trump, Clinton’s relationship with Epstein was and is extremely suspicious, especially given the ex-president’s known sexual predilection (shared with Epstein) for young women, and predatory tactics for getting the same.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/07/trump_clears_democrat_smokescreen_with_removal_of_acosta.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/07/trump_clears_democrat_smokescreen_with_removal_of_acosta.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 13, 2019, 09:17:44 AM
As with all trump cabinet firings (what 16-20 now ?) , Acosta had to be force upon him

Trump Initial response was to support Acosta as in “very fine man” but ultimately caved in like a little wimp when the heat got too much to handle

Just as he remarked on Epstein back then as a “very fine man “

You just don’t get it , do you ?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 13, 2019, 10:45:27 AM
Soon there will be nothing left but Smith. The Dem field is being forced into narrower and narrower lanes.

The intolerant Left thirsts for blood

The Left has won the culture war, and now it's exiling anyone with sympathy for the losing side. Two recent incidents evince a growing trend to try to ban any view on gender or sexuality from public life that is to the Right of the American Civil Liberties Union.

These episodes demonstrate the illiberalism and intolerance of the Left, which is now willing to use governmental and institutional power to smash those who don’t agree with it on sexual morality.

Our culture rightly regards some opinions as beyond the bounds of reasonable debate. We’d expect a city to be unwelcoming to a restaurant whose owner funded the Islamic State. We wouldn’t expect Yale Law School to host speakers advocating slavery.

What makes these recent stories of intolerance so striking is that the views and actions being branded as intolerable are entirely within the mainstream.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/the-intolerant-left-thirsts-for-blood (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/the-intolerant-left-thirsts-for-blood)

Smith is taking over the party, attacking her own...Go Smith, Go!!!

Catfight intensifies: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez ignites explosion of fury from her fellow Democrats

She now is spending all of her time not attacking Republicans or even Trump, but her fellow Democrats, as if to "purify" the party into the most socialist possible organ.  She's practically holding show trials with her threats to primary non-conformists in distant districts she knows nothing about, and she's insisting on conformity, with only the most extreme ideas and virtue-signaling permitted. She's going after them one by one, declaring anyone who opposes her a 'racist,' including even a Native American congresswoman who sure as heck didn't appreciate that. She's also annoyed Black Democrats as Thomas Lifson noted here.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/07/catfight_intensifies_alexandria_ocasiocortez_ignites_explosion_of_fury_from_her_fellow_democrats.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/07/catfight_intensifies_alexandria_ocasiocortez_ignites_explosion_of_fury_from_her_fellow_democrats.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 13, 2019, 11:49:41 AM
LB is even worse than OC, but OC might be saved...I hold out hope.

Btw. Whatever your doing, it’s not working!
People are turned off by your comments.

For example: the midterm elections the whole oc turned.
Even the GOP congressman from the LA county lost!!!!!
Better yet nationwide..
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 13, 2019, 12:06:40 PM
LB is even worse than OC, but OC might be saved...I hold out hope.

Btw. Whatever your doing, it’s not working!
People are turned off by your comments.

For example: the midterm elections the whole oc turned.
Even the GOP congressman from the LA county lost!!!!!

 I remember till the very end of the election in November’s 2018 these guys were saying ... “nothing will change “ and “you just don’t get it “ till they got whacked in the face by a mike Tyson- level punch :)  looks like they need another one to fully wake up from whatever drug they are on ...
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 13, 2019, 06:28:38 PM
Bring it Smith!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 13, 2019, 06:57:53 PM
LB is even worse than OC, but OC might be saved...I hold out hope.

Btw. Whatever your doing, it’s not working!
People are turned off by your comments.

For example: the midterm elections the whole oc turned.
Even the GOP congressman from the LA county lost!!!!!

 I remember till the very end of the election in November’s 2018 these guys were saying ... “nothing will change “ and “you just don’t get it “ till they got whacked in the face by a mike Tyson- level punch :)  looks like they need another one to fully wake up from whatever drug they are on ...

He doesn’t have a response to this, but mention AOC. 

Politico Article: Why Trump's superfans dig Ocasio-Cortez
'I aspire to be the conservative AOC,' said one GOP congressman.

"AOC has what I call 'gameness' or competitive heart — the combination of grit, determination, fighting spirit that you can't coach,” Steve Bannon, Trump’s former chief strategist, told POLITICO. “You either have it or you don't, and she has it big league."

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/30/aoc-congress-republicans-1134065

Did you see what SB said? You either have it or you don’t, and she has it big league.

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 13, 2019, 07:26:57 PM
I love Smith. She is the ends to my means.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 14, 2019, 08:57:12 PM
so trump wants non-white citizens to go back to the countries they came from  ?? Does this apply to the Asian American MAGA devotees too . Maybe he is right after all.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 15, 2019, 12:33:39 AM
Absolutely
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 15, 2019, 04:58:57 AM
Absolutely

So should we change MAGA to MAWA = make America white again ?

BTW , I can totally see why you would love to get kicked back to Asia just so you can say at least I owned the (white) libs
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 15, 2019, 06:23:52 AM
step 1: identify far left, socialist, anti-american, anti-semitic congresswomen currently being kept at arms length by democrat leadership
step 2: call them out
step 3: democrat leadership comes to their defense from big meanie trump
step 4: democrats pulled further and further left: open borders! free healthcare for illegals! no college debt! abolish ice!
step 5: independent voters don't agree with socialist policy
step 6: trump 2020

6d chess folks

when will you learn trump doesn't just tweet to tweet?  there is always an endgame  ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 15, 2019, 06:28:35 AM
don't believe me?

enjoy  :)

Quote
Exclusive poll: AOC defining Dems in swing states

Top Democrats are circulating a poll showing that one of the House's most progressive members — Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez — has become a definitional face for the party with a crucial group of swing voters.

Why it matters: These Democrats are sounding the alarm that swing voters know and dislike socialism, warning it could cost them the House and the presidency. The poll is making the rounds of some of the most influential Democrats in America.

"If all voters hear about is AOC, it could put the [House] majority at risk," said a top Democrat who is involved in 2020 congressional races. "She's getting all the news and defining everyone else’s races."
The poll — taken in May, before Speaker Pelosi's latest run-in with AOC and the three other liberal House freshmen known as "The Squad" — included 1,003 likely general-election voters who are white and have two years or less of college education.

These are the "white, non-college voters" who embraced Donald Trump in 2016 but are needed by Democrats in swing House districts.
The group that took the poll shared the results with Axios on the condition that it not be named, because the group has to work with all parts of the party.
The findings:

Ocasio-Cortez was recognized by 74% of voters in the poll; 22% had a favorable view.
Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota — another member of The Squad — was recognized by 53% of the voters; 9% (not a typo) had a favorable view.
Socialism was viewed favorably by 18% of the voters and unfavorably by 69%.


Capitalism was 56% favorable; 32% unfavorable.
"Socialism is toxic to these voters," said the top Democrat.

https://www.axios.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-poll-democrats-2020-aeaa3771-f142-4059-b79e-1fed569dfdf9.html (https://www.axios.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-poll-democrats-2020-aeaa3771-f142-4059-b79e-1fed569dfdf9.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 15, 2019, 06:33:14 AM
Go back to sleep Kings

and stop fantasizing over AOC so much like every other lecherous Orange County republican
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 15, 2019, 06:42:23 AM
One thing is clear — Trump's racist rants, in addition to being pathetic in their own right, managed to throw a lifeline to Democrats who can now unify around condemning his comments.  Forget chess , this clown probably doesn’t even know checkers .
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 15, 2019, 06:43:52 AM
If you’re here illegally it doesn’t matter where you are from.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 15, 2019, 07:11:54 AM
If you’re here illegally it doesn’t matter where you are from.

Old same lines. You don’t have a clue.
You are against the following: benefits for the seniors, paying the soldiers (when they didn’t get paid you didn’t care), federal works getting during the shut down

It’s really sad
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 15, 2019, 07:39:21 AM
There was a government shutdown?.... I didn't care because I knew they would all get paid...and they did. Likewise in this situation I do not see this as a racial issue but a point of law.  If you are here illegally (wether you are from England, Bali or Brazil)  you are breaking the law.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 15, 2019, 07:51:49 AM
If you’re here illegally it doesn’t matter where you are from.

Lying as always . This scam may work w your gullible clients but don’t expect to pull this off here

Trump is telling the 4 women of color congresswoman , three of which were born here , to go back to wherever they came from





Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 15, 2019, 08:03:09 AM
There is nothing in that statement that is a lie.  As for the twitter war raging between Trump and the "squad"...who cares? Trump trolled the trolls...endless entertainment but nothing of substance.  Look at the "raids" this weekend. Trump had Garcetti running around like a yoga chicken with its head cutoff, wasting our tax dollars staffing a crisis center to handle all the scary ICE raid cases.....dozens of overtime hours...two calls.  Thanks for wasting more tax dollars on nothing...idiots.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 15, 2019, 08:44:37 AM
Exactly you don’t care. Our nation had a potential security risk during the political stunt. (airport flight controllers/tsa agents/federal agencies: public info we all saw it on the news) Also, many families went hungry as they didn’t have money to spend. (went to food banks to get food) Also a lot couldn’t pay their mortgage/rent.

The little guy got shafted. But you don’t care. You can’t stand up for a fellow American.

a person “might” say:
#triggeredinLB or #lostinLB

There was a government shutdown?.... I didn't care because I knew they would all get paid...and they did. Likewise in this situation I do not see this as a racial issue but a point of law.  If you are here illegally (wether you are from England, Bali or Brazil)  you are breaking the law.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 15, 2019, 08:45:44 AM
Translation — there is no doubt trump is  a racist but he is my racist , so get off my lawn you ...
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 15, 2019, 09:03:22 AM
Everyone got paid..end of story. 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 15, 2019, 09:06:01 AM
Translation — there is no doubt trump is  a racist but he is my racist , so get off my lawn you ...

Translation...everyone and everything is racial or racist...boy who cried wolf...most people are sick of this argument and accusation. 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 15, 2019, 09:09:14 AM
Everyone got paid..end of story. 

It’s not the end of story. This is why the average guy can’t relate with you.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 15, 2019, 09:49:53 AM
Translation — there is no doubt trump is  a racist but he is my racist , so get off my lawn you ...

Translation...everyone and everything is racial or racist...boy who cried wolf...most people are sick of this argument and accusation. 

Trump is effectively telling you to go back to where you “came”  from (China / Vietnam / Philippines ? I can’t remember) . You think you can still find gullible suckers for your financial advice in those countries ?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 15, 2019, 09:51:28 AM
If you’re here illegally it doesn’t matter where you are from.

Lying as always . This scam may work w your gullible clients but don’t expect to pull this off here

Trump is telling the 4 women of color congresswoman , three of which were born here , to go back to wherever they came from

Who knows if he has clients? Many financial companies require customer service agents to have series 7 license or something.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 15, 2019, 09:54:15 AM
Translation — there is no doubt trump is  a racist but he is my racist , so get off my lawn you ...

Translation...everyone and everything is racial or racist...boy who cried wolf...most people are sick of this argument and accusation. 

Trump is effectively telling you to go back to where you “came”  from (China / Vietnam / Philippines ? I can’t remember) . You think you can still find gullible suckers for your financial advice in those countries ?

Probably not big time. Because he’s should be cold calling instead of being on TI. lol
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 15, 2019, 09:58:35 AM
Yes, manage funds offshore for several banks and institutions based in all those countries.  Performance is not a racial issue.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 15, 2019, 10:01:22 AM
Anybody can manage funds. Even little kids and non license people are getting big returns. (easy peasy)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 15, 2019, 10:05:33 AM
Anybody can manage funds. Even little kids and non license people are getting big returns. (easy peasy)

That says a lot about your understanding of investing and finance.  Please, hand over your investments to your 7 year old, he'll probably do a better job than you with that outlook.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 15, 2019, 10:08:12 AM
Anybody can manage funds. Even little kids and non license people are getting big returns. (easy peasy)

That says a lot about your understanding of investing and finance.  Please, hand over your investments to your 7 year old, he'll probably do a better job than you with that outlook.

Or it can mean many people are doing it themselves and going with online trading. So easy. I don’t need you to buy shares.

Go to like Robinhood and trade shares for FREE. Fidelity and Etrade charge a little, BUT good research tools. (bookmark that)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 15, 2019, 10:10:55 AM
Yes, manage funds offshore for several banks and institutions based in all those countries.  Performance is not a racial issue.

Well , that settles it then

Kaos self - deporting himself to support his president and to own the libs
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 15, 2019, 10:15:35 AM
Thats an old story. Heard it in 1999 when day trading was all the rage.  Who needs advice when its so "easy" to make money by myself?  Then.... booom 2000-2002 wiped out all those "pros".  Wanna talk about the average American?...they got wiped out.  Again in 2007-2008...who needs advice?  I got my 10 properties in riverside making me a millionaire...we all are here because we know what happened.  Saw it a mile away and through good advice, saved many a clients hide and profited greatly.  Good advice and guidance is always worth paying for...always will be.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 15, 2019, 10:23:17 AM
seems as if this thread has devolved from 2020 election into "attack morekaos because he makes more money than you"

i think the snowflake thread is that way --------------->
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 15, 2019, 10:25:04 AM
....again...endlessly entertaining.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 15, 2019, 10:26:43 AM
seems as if this thread has devolved from 2020 election into "attack morekaos because he makes more money than you"

i think the snowflake thread is that way --------------->

Being a customer service agent with a series 7 license is very lucrative. Uh yeah
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 15, 2019, 10:29:26 AM
Point taken. I give you that.
However, there is a Big hedge fund that went against Herbalife and I guess it didn’t turn out well.


Thats an old story. Heard it in 1999 when day trading was all the rage.  Who needs advice when its so "easy" to make money by myself?  Then.... booom 2000-2002 wiped out all those "pros".  Wanna talk about the average American?...they got wiped out.  Again in 2007-2008...who needs advice?  I got my 10 properties in riverside making me a millionaire...we all are here because we know what happened.  Saw it a mile away and through good advice, saved many a clients hide and profited greatly.  Good advice and guidance is always worth paying for...always will be.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 15, 2019, 10:34:16 AM
seems as if this thread has devolved from 2020 election into "attack morekaos because he makes more money than you"

i think the snowflake thread is that way --------------->

Well how about we talk about your obsession w AOC
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 15, 2019, 10:41:08 AM
seems as if this thread has devolved from 2020 election into "attack morekaos because he makes more money than you"

i think the snowflake thread is that way --------------->

Being a customer service agent with a series 7 license is very lucrative. Uh yeah

You can look at it that way, I can tell you my clients do not.  True story...I cut the fee on a client account the other day bc it was inactive for over a year.  Account was up over 20% but i thought it unfair to charge that level even though holding current position was the right thing to do and was truly tax efficient.  The client wrote a letter demanding the higher fee be re-instated, bc he felt I should be paid for providing many years of good advice.  I was humbled but kept the fee low anyway.  I will always be loyal and attentive to clients like that, and they clearly value the advice.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 15, 2019, 10:52:32 AM
Why is everyone criticizing morekaos' profession?

Keep it on the opinions and topics please.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 15, 2019, 11:01:57 AM
seems as if this thread has devolved from 2020 election into "attack morekaos because he makes more money than you"

i think the snowflake thread is that way --------------->

Well how about we talk about your obsession w AOC

you mean the future of your party?  let me know how that turns out for you  ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 15, 2019, 11:03:13 AM
Why is everyone criticizing morekaos' profession?

Keep it on the opinions and topics please.

No need to attack any profession , although in this case he is always using it as one of the excuses for why he supports trump ... the stock market

The topic from my perspective is trump’s latest racist rant , which is plumbing new depths of discourse for a president
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 15, 2019, 11:05:11 AM
seems as if this thread has devolved from 2020 election into "attack morekaos because he makes more money than you"

i think the snowflake thread is that way --------------->

Well how about we talk about your obsession w AOC

I'll tell you why AOC is relevant to this thread...Trump is forcing Pelosi into embracing Smith, inexorably tying the Dems to her...to independent voters she is kryptonite and electorally fatal.  This spat is purposeful.

Private Democratic Poll: AOC Most Recognizable Democrat in America Among Swing Voters

Axios got hold of the poll, that is being circulated privately by Democrats and is scaring the beejeebees out of many of them.

Why it matters: These Democrats are sounding the alarm that swing voters know and dislike socialism, warning it could cost them the House and the presidency. The poll is making the rounds of some of the most influential Democrats in America.

"If all voters hear about is AOC, it could put the [House] majority at risk," said a top Democrat who is involved in 2020 congressional races. "he's getting all the news and defining everyone else’s races."
The poll — taken in May, before Speaker Pelosi's latest run-in with AOC and the three other liberal House freshmen known as "The Squad" — included 1,003 likely general-election voters who are white and have two years or less of college education.

These are the "white, non-college voters" who embraced Donald Trump in 2016 but are needed by Democrats in swing House districts.
The group that took the poll shared the results with Axios on the condition that it not be named, because the group has to work with all parts of the party.
The findings:

Ocasio-Cortez was recognized by 74% of voters in the poll; 22% had a favorable view.
Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota — another member of The Squad — was recognized by 53% of the voters; 9% (not a typo) had a favorable view.
Socialism was viewed favorably by 18% of the voters and unfavorably by 69%.

Capitalism was 56% favorable; 32% unfavorable.
"Socialism is toxic to these voters," said the top Democrat.
Does it matter that among "Main Street" Democrats, AOC has a toxicity rarely seen in a national political figure? It does if Trump can  successfully tie any Democratic nominee for president to the radicals. Trump has been trying out some "Democrats are socialists" lines on the campaign trail, much to the delight of his audiences. What this polls says is that crucial voters that many observers and professional Democratic operatives believe the party absolutely has to have to beat Trump are not only unconvinced, but are turned off by the most recognizable Democrats in the party.

Some Democratic candidates are denouncing socialism while pushing socialist ideas. It's an old con perfected by Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. What seems clear is that if Trump can successfully tie the word "socialism" to the Democratic nominee, a second term is more probable.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/private-democratic-poll-aoc-most-recognizable-democrat-in-america-among-swing-voters/ (https://pjmedia.com/trending/private-democratic-poll-aoc-most-recognizable-democrat-in-america-among-swing-voters/)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 15, 2019, 11:06:32 AM
Why is everyone attacking morekaos' profession?

Robinhood trades are Freeeee!
(Or your matress is freeeee. Your killing me Larry!)

That’s what the average guy should take from this back and forth. For people that never traded stocks and are like curious.


Note: this is not financial advice (wink)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 15, 2019, 12:47:27 PM
You guys still don’t get it do you ? Didn’t learn after 2018 , now need a thorough drubbing next year to finally get the message .
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 15, 2019, 01:01:07 PM
What will you do when he is re-elected? Because he will be...mark my words.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 15, 2019, 01:08:45 PM
What will you do when he is re-elected? Because he will be...mark my words.

I'll renounce my caucasian-ness. :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 15, 2019, 01:10:43 PM
You guys still don’t get it do you ? Didn’t learn after 2018 , now need a thorough drubbing next year to finally get the message .

It’s no secret, a lot of business are not a fan of the tariffs.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 15, 2019, 01:22:18 PM
What will you do when he is re-elected? Because he will be...mark my words.

i'd like to know who they think is actually capable of taking on trump.  there were a couple yang gangers whistling through the breeze but i'm pretty sure yang is on robotic life support after that first debate.

is it biden?  pocohontas?  please, i'm truly interested to hear who you're so convinced will save you from the big orange meanie  :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 15, 2019, 01:28:25 PM
What will you do when he is re-elected? Because he will be...mark my words.

That’s what you said during the midterms. Then what happened? It was so easy like tee ball. Like close our eyes and we will still hit a grand slam.

(don jr. keep talking so we can laugh)

(More Kanye news unrelated to Trump, but there are people that still think about the trap door meeting with Trump)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 15, 2019, 01:38:49 PM
What will you do when he is re-elected? Because he will be...mark my words.

i'd like to know who they think is actually capable of taking on trump.  there were a couple yang gangers whistling through the breeze but i'm pretty sure yang is on robotic life support after that first debate.

is it biden?  pocohontas?  please, i'm truly interested to hear who you're so convinced will save you from the big orange meanie  :)

Keep smoking that “racially infused “ weed ...
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 15, 2019, 01:40:07 PM
Well..Trump figured that dog whistles are not enough anymore...just straight up racists comments.  If you are still supporting Trump at this point, I don't see how you are avoid being labeled a racist. 

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 15, 2019, 01:47:47 PM
like i thought - nobody actually has any idea who can take on trump in 2020

maybe we should start a "thoughts and prayers" thread for all the hopeless romantics who are obsessed with hating trump but don't have any real candidate who can beat him  ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 15, 2019, 01:56:35 PM
Believe me - all of us prayed for kings’ speedy recovery after he got whiplashed by the 2018 election results and was bedridden for days :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 15, 2019, 01:57:44 PM
like i thought - nobody actually has any idea who can take on trump in 2020

maybe we should start a "thoughts and prayers" thread for all the hopeless romantics who are obsessed with hating trump but don't have any real candidate who can beat him  ;)

LOL...like Trump and Trumpsters care about ideas.  It's all about chest pounding and screaming about brown people. 

What exactly has Trump done to deserve a second term?  Absolutely nothing but hey...white people feel better about themselves.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 15, 2019, 02:02:48 PM
You’re goin down again, and you still won’t see it comin.  Smith will probably tip the house back into the repubs hands but Trump a done deal for re election...it’ll be fun.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 15, 2019, 02:05:10 PM
like i thought - nobody actually has any idea who can take on trump in 2020

maybe we should start a "thoughts and prayers" thread for all the hopeless romantics who are obsessed with hating trump but don't have any real candidate who can beat him  ;)

LOL...like Trump and Trumpsters care about ideas.  It's all about chest pounding and screaming about brown people. 

What exactly has Trump done to deserve a second term?  Absolutely nothing but hey...white people feel better about themselves.

Iran is not a threat?
North Korea shooting missles like it fireworks is not a threat?

A lot of people would agree we need to take action. Please protect US interest and the country of the United States.

Stop taking pictures with Big Kim. Lol
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 15, 2019, 02:19:27 PM
the great thing about america is you can cry about trump being a big racist meanie who hurt you fee-fees, you can go on your pink pussy hat marches, and you can dream sweet socialist dreams

and i can make fun of you for 6 more years for it  ;D
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 15, 2019, 02:21:01 PM
Kings has a point.

Other than the backlash similar to what we saw in 2018, who are the Dems going to put up to challenge Trump?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 15, 2019, 02:30:15 PM
....and they take the bait... this is a spectacular press conference by the Squad!!! Fish on !! Go baby go!!! Impeach!! Impeach!!!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 15, 2019, 02:38:03 PM
Kings has a point.

Other than the backlash similar to what we saw in 2018, who are the Dems going to put up to challenge Trump?

We got this under control. We can’t tell you the game plan.

 ;D
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 15, 2019, 02:40:07 PM
It's so funny how *biased* people are across party lines.

It's worse than my Irvine loyalty. <-- That's for LiarLoan :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 15, 2019, 02:51:54 PM
....and they take the bait... this is a spectacular press conference by the Squad!!! Fish on !! Go baby go!!! Impeach!! Impeach!!!

Go on with meet Kim and exchange letters. (Fireworks throughout thre pacific. Not cool)

I’m sure the vets agree with me. They really do.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 15, 2019, 02:58:38 PM
Kings has a point.

Other than the backlash similar to what we saw in 2018, who are the Dems going to put up to challenge Trump?

it's all fun and games until we fast forward 1 year from now and low energy, creepy joe biden is the nominee (because let's be real, the dnc has already chosen their horse like they did hillary)

i long for the day when all the salivating trump haters have to defend this guy as he slurs his speech on stage after sniffing some child back stage

(https://images.newrepublic.com/f48f6e16ad94c28924097796538f7f3a84ad7727.jpeg?w=1200&q=65&dpi=2.625&fm=pjpg&fit=crop&crop=faces&h=800)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on July 15, 2019, 03:14:11 PM
I admire the Squad. The Squad have genuine convictions unlike typical Dem politicians who bend whichever way their masters direct them. AOC and Omar don't give a fuck what the establishment thinks. I think the Elite fears the Squad almost as much as they hate Trump.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 15, 2019, 03:32:51 PM
I admire the Squad. The Squad have genuine convictions unlike typical Dem politicians who bend whichever way their masters direct them. AOC and Omar don't give a fuck what the establishment thinks. I think the Elite fears the Squad almost as much as they hate Trump.

So how about Lindsey Graham? (I didn’t want to go there but uh yeah)

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on July 15, 2019, 06:06:22 PM
Man, this thread is more toxic than the comment sections in alt right/alt left YouTube.

p.s. hyper-partisanship is bad for your health  :o
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 15, 2019, 06:42:01 PM
oc trump voters will vote for trump again is my base case anyways .

The sham that is the conservative movement - always moaning about spending when in opposition, always spending when in power.

McConnell told trump per a WSJ story that “no president ever lost election for spending more money “ and they have been nixing every single spending cut idea even as deficits balloon.

Doesn’t matter if Dems nominate a centrist like Biden , it will take 30’seconds for the right wing ecosystem to recast him as the second coming of chairman mao and general Stalin .

All the talk of “both sideism” is just people giving themselves permission slips to vote for a racist .

The “oohs” and “aaahs” over hyper partisanship fail to notate an important point. Trump is the root cause of this phenomenon aided by tinfoil rightwing media ecosystem . Does anyone recall this level of poison in politics even during the worst bush or Obama years ?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 15, 2019, 08:03:02 PM
I admire the Squad. The Squad have genuine convictions unlike typical Dem politicians who bend whichever way their masters direct them. AOC and Omar don't give a fuck what the establishment thinks. I think the Elite fears the Squad almost as much as they hate Trump.

So how about Lindsey Graham? (I didn’t want to go there but uh yeah)

Any takers?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 15, 2019, 09:44:49 PM
I admire the Squad. The Squad have genuine convictions unlike typical Dem politicians who bend whichever way their masters direct them. AOC and Omar don't give a fuck what the establishment thinks. I think the Elite fears the Squad almost as much as they hate Trump.

So how about Lindsey Graham? (I didn’t want to go there but uh yeah)

Any takers?

Looks like he’s on point.

Monday morning, Graham called the group "a bunch of communists" who he said "hate Israel" and "hate our own country," further calling them "anti-Semitic" and "anti-America."
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 15, 2019, 11:05:03 PM
I admire the Squad. The Squad have genuine convictions unlike typical Dem politicians who bend whichever way their masters direct them. AOC and Omar don't give a fuck what the establishment thinks. I think the Elite fears the Squad almost as much as they hate Trump.

So how about Lindsey Graham? (I didn’t want to go there but uh yeah)

Any takers?

Looks like he’s on point.

Monday morning, Graham called the group "a bunch of communists" who he said "hate Israel" and "hate our own country," further calling them "anti-Semitic" and "anti-America."

You took the bait. So the rumor is blank is blank
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 06:12:16 AM
Man, this thread is more toxic than the comment sections in alt right/alt left YouTube.

p.s. hyper-partisanship is bad for your health  :o

Come to think of it. I guess a person holds me to a higher standard and quotes Bible versus to me only on this thread. (Unbelievable!)

Not you kenko
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 16, 2019, 07:50:42 AM
Man, this thread is more toxic than the comment sections in alt right/alt left YouTube.

p.s. hyper-partisanship is bad for your health  :o

Come to think of it. I guess a person holds me to a higher standard and quotes Bible versus to me only on this thread. (Unbelievable!)

Not you kenko

the trump voting evangelicals are the biggest hippocrats on god''s green earth. 

the message is simple -- non-whites are welcome in this country only if they agree to wear MAGA hats.  All the others, better "go back " to where you are from ...

I wonder how many republicans were told to leave the country if they didn't like how obama was running things

I feel even the non-hardcore republicans on this forum fail to realize that this stuff goes way beyond the puny tax break for your real estate business or or an extra 5% in your portfolio here and there ...
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 08:04:38 AM
Man, this thread is more toxic than the comment sections in alt right/alt left YouTube.

p.s. hyper-partisanship is bad for your health  :o

Come to think of it. I guess a person holds me to a higher standard and quotes Bible versus to me only on this thread. (Unbelievable!)

Not you kenko

the trump voting evangelicals are the biggest hippocrats on god''s green earth. 

the message is simple -- non-whites are welcome in this country only if they agree to wear MAGA hats.  All the others, better "go back " to where you are from ...

I wonder how many republicans were told to leave the country if they didn't like how obama was running things

I feel even the non-hardcore republicans on this forum fail to realize that this stuff goes way beyond the puny tax break for your real estate business or or an extra 5% in your portfolio here and there ...

Totally agree...same group of people who think God blesses the USA is using God to fit their beliefs and narrative.  Also same group of people who support Israel because they somehow believe that it will bring the End of Days.

Love your God and your neighbors...the only two commandments needed.  Evangelicals are failing at both.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 16, 2019, 08:07:01 AM
I think it's a disservice to paint with such broad strokes.

I know many Republicans who are embarrassed by Trump and don't support his policies.

At the same time, I know people who have become staunch Trump supporters and it boggles my mind because the issues they talk about do border on prejudice.

But let's get back to it, who is going to challenge Trump? Incumbents usually have an advantage so without the rhetoric, does Biden have a chance?

Honestly, I will vote for anyone who has a chance against Trump.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 08:10:29 AM
I think it's a disservice to paint with such broad strokes.

I know many Republicans who are embarrassed by Trump and don't support his policies.

At the same time, I know people who have become staunch Trump supporters and it boggles my mind because the issues they talk about do border on prejudice.

But let's get back to it, who is going to challenge Trump? Incumbents usually have an advantage so without the rhetoric, does Biden have a chance?

Honestly, I will vote for anyone who has a chance against Trump.

It's too early to tell right now because it's pretty much about name recognition right now....latest polls have all four front runners in the Dems race beating Trump but we are still way too early.  Right now Dems are much more driven and motivated to beat Trump but all of the attention is on the Dems right now.  Whether that stays through the general election is hard to say.

I will have to say that the economy will play a big part of the 2020 race...all signs point to a recession and if that happens between now and November 2020, Trump will be seriously hurting.  Economy is doing good by traditional measures and Trump still can't get above 42/43% approval.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 08:14:13 AM
Man, this thread is more toxic than the comment sections in alt right/alt left YouTube.

p.s. hyper-partisanship is bad for your health  :o

Come to think of it. I guess a person holds me to a higher standard and quotes Bible versus to me only on this thread. (Unbelievable!)

Not you kenko

the trump voting evangelicals are the biggest hippocrats on god''s green earth. 

the message is simple -- non-whites are welcome in this country only if they agree to wear MAGA hats.  All the others, better "go back " to where you are from ...

I wonder how many republicans were told to leave the country if they didn't like how obama was running things

I feel even the non-hardcore republicans on this forum fail to realize that this stuff goes way beyond the puny tax break for your real estate business or or an extra 5% in your portfolio here and there ...

It must be true because he didn’t dispute it.
Im happy where I am it, but I don’t know if that he can say the same. Get ready to here the whining and complaining next. Lol
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 16, 2019, 08:18:19 AM
He is hovering around 45% right now....

RCP Average            6/29 - 7/15       f--   44.4   52.0 -7.6
Rasmussen Reports     7/11 - 7/15   1500 LV   48   50   -2
The Hill/HarrisX            7/8 - 7/9           1001 RV   47   53   -6
Reuters/Ipsos            7/8 - 7/9             971 RV   43   55   -12
NBC News/Wall St.    7/7 - 7/9             800 RV   45   52   -7

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 08:28:19 AM
He is hovering around 45% right now....

RCP Average            6/29 - 7/15       f--   44.4   52.0 -7.6
Rasmussen Reports     7/11 - 7/15   1500 LV   48   50   -2
The Hill/HarrisX            7/8 - 7/9           1001 RV   47   53   -6
Reuters/Ipsos            7/8 - 7/9             971 RV   43   55   -12
NBC News/Wall St.    7/7 - 7/9             800 RV   45   52   -7

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html)

Keep up with the math:  https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo

42.5%..he has been basically been between 37/38 and 42/43 his entire presidency. 

Of course you don't believe in polls so it doesn't matter.

Meanwhile...Dems are leading the Congressional race:  46 to 40%

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-generic-ballot-polls/?ex_cid=rrpromo
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 08:54:17 AM
I admire the Squad. The Squad have genuine convictions unlike typical Dem politicians who bend whichever way their masters direct them. AOC and Omar don't give a fuck what the establishment thinks. I think the Elite fears the Squad almost as much as they hate Trump.

So how about Lindsey Graham? (I didn’t want to go there but uh yeah)

Any takers?

Looks like he’s on point.

Monday morning, Graham called the group "a bunch of communists" who he said "hate Israel" and "hate our own country," further calling them "anti-Semitic" and "anti-America."

You took the bait. So the rumor is blank is blank

A lot of people are talking about it.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 09:37:07 AM
Totally not racist...totally not nativists


https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1151165148217917441
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 16, 2019, 09:47:36 AM
Yes yes, everybody is a racist and everything is racial.  Lets now only point out those that are not racist since they are the minority in the world, the real unicorns. Or better yet everyone should be racist...then no one will be. This racist thing is getting old, it is losing its punch when used to shame everyone who doesn't agree with you into shutting up and getting in line, comrade.  Racist used to be a real horrible, extreme label to call someone, now it gets thrown around like a used rag.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 16, 2019, 09:49:30 AM
that purple font get bigger and madder the more someone starts to scream and rant ...
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 09:52:41 AM
that purple font get bigger and madder the more someone starts to scream and rant ...

It must be the LB madness. Lol
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 16, 2019, 09:59:20 AM
that purple font get bigger and madder the more someone starts to scream and rant ...

It must be the LB madness. Lol

Hey, thats geographically racist!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 10:01:57 AM
that purple font get bigger and madder the more someone starts to scream and rant ...

It must be the LB madness. Lol

Hey, thats geographically racist!

Big time in LB

How about fix LB before you give your “great” ideas lol
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 10:08:58 AM
I gues the positive thing is that you don’t have to use your AC in LB.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 16, 2019, 10:10:50 AM
Just open the windows and ocean breeze cools the whole house..very nice in the summer.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 10:17:13 AM
Didn’t LB use be a good area or something? (maybe a long time ago- Idk)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 10:22:02 AM
Yes yes, everybody is a racist and everything is racial.  Lets now only point out those that are not racist since they are the minority in the world, the real unicorns. Or better yet everyone should be racist...then no one will be. This racist thing is getting old, it is losing its punch when used to shame everyone who doesn't agree with you into shutting up and getting in line, comrade.  Racist used to be a real horrible, extreme label to call someone, now it gets thrown around like a used rag.

It is still a horrible and extreme label to call someone...it's just that Trumpsters take it as a badge of courage and view classic racists remarks as totally okay.  Trumpsters love Trump because he says what they have always thought but was social prohibited from saying.

The bar is so low for Trump and Trumpsters that nothing matters except they get to feel victimized and attack anyone they want however they want. 

It's fine, you already said that you don't care if Trump is racist so I don't expect you to care or understand.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 16, 2019, 10:37:37 AM
Didn’t LB use be a good area or something? (maybe a long time ago- Idk)

This is the wonderful secret of Long Beach. I live on an island. Boats parked out my back door.  Steps from the beach, awesome family restaurants and a new shopping center being put up by the Pacific City guys.  Everyone always thinks of LBC as the hood (it has that on the westside).  East side is the best kept waterfront secret in Cali.  (Also easily defend-able island fortress in case of the zombie apocalypse)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 10:38:43 AM
Didn’t LB use be a good area or something? (maybe a long time ago- Idk)

This is the wonderful secret of Long Beach. I live on an island. Boats parked out my back door.  Steps from the beach, awesome family restaurants and a new shopping center being put up by the Pacific City guys.  Everyone always thinks of LBC as the hood (it has that on the westside).  East side is the best kept waterfront secret in Cali.  (Also easily defend-able island fortress in case of the zombie apocalypse)

I need to clip this.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 10:44:27 AM
Didn’t LB use be a good area or something? (maybe a long time ago- Idk)

This is the wonderful secret of Long Beach. I live on an island. Boats parked out my back door.  Steps from the beach, awesome family restaurants and a new shopping center being put up by the Pacific City guys.  Everyone always thinks of LBC as the hood (it has that on the westside).  East side is the best kept waterfront secret in Cali.  (Also easily defend-able island fortress in case of the zombie apocalypse)

I’m looking at Google Map. You are talking about Naples in Long Beach going off your description.

or you can be joking around and you live in Leisure World!  ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 16, 2019, 10:45:10 AM
does any conservative out there give a s__t that our deficit is about to cross 1 trillion  ?

i remember the tea party up in arms about the fed being too accommodation during the obama years ? all these newport beach boomers with tea party signs on their lawns and railing against govt spending ?

another dilemma -- if , as you guys say, it is really about socialism and not really about racism , why hasnt trump called out bernie sanders, you know, an ACTUAL socialist

why do you think that is ...
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 16, 2019, 10:47:07 AM
Yes, Naples Island, Treasure Island, Belmont Shore and the Peninsula...all great places to live.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 10:48:37 AM
Yes, Naples Island, Treasure Island, Belmont Shore and the Peninsula...all great places to live.

But you still need to go in the hood to shop? Lollllll
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 16, 2019, 10:53:04 AM
Back on topic,  I just had a long talk with a client who is pretty up there in the national Dem world.  He is so far uncommitted to anyone.  This from a multi million dollar doner/fundraiser.  He thinks Bernie is too left, Biden is a lightweight, likes Warren but thinks she is also too tax heavy and too left, is luke warm on Kamalla and sees little from the 1%ers that are left.  That is not a good bench to pick from to take on Trump...seriously.

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 10:53:57 AM
Back on topic,  I just had a long talk with a client who is pretty up there in the national Dem world.  He is so far uncommitted to anyone.  This from a multi million dollar doner/fundraiser.  He thinks Bernie is too left, Biden is a lightweight, likes Warren but thinks she is also too tax heavy and too left, is luke warm on Kamalla and sees little from the 1%ers that are left.  That is not a good bench to pick from to take on Trump...seriously.

This is pretty ironic from someone who supports Trump considering what the GOP lineup looked like in 2015 against HRC.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 10:57:55 AM
Yes, Naples Island, Treasure Island, Belmont Shore and the Peninsula...all great places to live.

But you still need to go in the hood to shop? Lollllll

Come on do you think this guy is real?
Acting like it’s Newport Beach or Maibu? Lol
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 16, 2019, 10:58:12 AM
Yes, Naples Island, Treasure Island, Belmont Shore and the Peninsula...all great places to live.

But you still need to go in the hood to shop? Lollllll

Opening next month, I can drive one of my boats there or just walk over the bridge.  Seal beach and OC shopping just down the street.  No need to visit the hood except for Costco.

https://www.centercal.com/2nd-pch (https://www.centercal.com/2nd-pch)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 11:00:15 AM
I have been to that Costco in LB. let’s just say it was an interesting experience.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 16, 2019, 11:01:18 AM
Yes, Naples Island, Treasure Island, Belmont Shore and the Peninsula...all great places to live.

But you still need to go in the hood to shop? Lollllll

Come on do you think this guy is real?
Acting like it’s Newport Beach or Maibu? Lol

Thats the point Eye, I don't want it to be....I hate NB with a passion. Wouldn't live there if you paid me.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 11:08:55 AM
Yes, Naples Island, Treasure Island, Belmont Shore and the Peninsula...all great places to live.

But you still need to go in the hood to shop? Lollllll

Come on do you think this guy is real?
Acting like it’s Newport Beach or Maibu? Lol

Thats the point Eye, I don't want it to be....I hate NB with a passion. Wouldn't live there if you paid me.

Like I said we don’t know. (Maybe it’s true or maybe it’s not)
Maybe you should volunteer and make that city great again.

Pick up the trash on the sidewalk and other places. Clean up the unauthorized art aka graffiti.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 11:09:46 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 16, 2019, 11:15:34 AM
Back on topic,  I just had a long talk with a client who is pretty up there in the national Dem world.  He is so far uncommitted to anyone.  This from a multi million dollar doner/fundraiser.  He thinks Bernie is too left, Biden is a lightweight, likes Warren but thinks she is also too tax heavy and too left, is luke warm on Kamalla and sees little from the 1%ers that are left.  That is not a good bench to pick from to take on Trump...seriously.

Some one dumb enough to invest their money with you cannot be taken seriously : )
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 11:18:16 AM
Back on topic,  I just had a long talk with a client who is pretty up there in the national Dem world.  He is so far uncommitted to anyone.  This from a multi million dollar doner/fundraiser.  He thinks Bernie is too left, Biden is a lightweight, likes Warren but thinks she is also too tax heavy and too left, is luke warm on Kamalla and sees little from the 1%ers that are left.  That is not a good bench to pick from to take on Trump...seriously.

Some one dumb enough to invest their money with you cannot be taken seriously : )

Using AI to invest might be better. (Fyi - they have it for individuals at no cost or something )
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 16, 2019, 11:28:15 AM
i see we're back to hating on morekaos again today.

the 2020 dem candidates must really be strong if he's all you guys can talk about  ::)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 11:29:32 AM
i see we're back to hating on morekaos again today.

the 2020 dem candidates must really be strong if he's all you guys can talk about  ::)

Mind your own bees wax. Maybe you should also volunteer in LB to make it great again?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 11:32:08 AM
i see we're back to hating on morekaos again today.

the 2020 dem candidates must really be strong if he's all you guys can talk about  ::)

I don't hate anyone..I would just like people to be honest.  Trumpsters claim to love United States and are patriots when in reality they just want things to be way it was in the 1950s when women and minorities were seen but not heard.  They don't want to hear about or the plight of the poor because hey they are poor. 

Again, I said before...I would have much more admiration for libertarians if they just came out and said that they want a world where they can do whatever they want and everyone else can perish. 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 16, 2019, 11:39:29 AM
And there it descends into name calling. Not sure why you always gotta go there. This client has nothing politically in common with me but i value his political insights.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on July 16, 2019, 11:39:41 AM
Trumpsters love Trump because he says what they have always thought but was social prohibited from saying.



A recent example of when social pressure dictated what you are allowed to think and say was The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution. It didn't end well.

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 16, 2019, 11:50:36 AM
Such bullying and name calling...I see you are learning to use the very things you loathe and accuse the Trumpster of...bravo.  (don't fret though,  you can't trigger me) >:D
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 11:51:10 AM
And there it descends into name calling. Not sure why you always gotta go there. This client has nothing politically in common with me but i value his political insights.

What name did I call you?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 11:51:45 AM
Trumpsters love Trump because he says what they have always thought but was social prohibited from saying.



A recent example of when social pressure dictated what you are allowed to think and say was The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution. It didn't end well.

LOL...reality is not a thing for Trumpsters.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 16, 2019, 11:52:11 AM
i see we're back to hating on morekaos again today.

the 2020 dem candidates must really be strong if he's all you guys can talk about  ::)

I don't hate anyone..I would just like people to be honest.  Trumpsters claim to love United States and are patriots when in reality they just want things to be way it was in the 1950s when women and minorities were seen but not heard.  They don't want to hear about or the plight of the poor because hey they are poor. 

Again, I said before...I would have much more admiration for libertarians if they just came out and said that they want a world where they can do whatever they want and everyone else can perish.

let's be honest about poor people then.  there will always be poor people.  the left loves to pander to poor people but won't do anything to actually help them because it's politically expedient to keep them in constant poverty and promise free stuff but never actually help them out of it. 

meanwhile, under trump food stamp participation is at a 10 year low, unemployment at record lows, and trump is providing avenues for prison reform which has been a major issue nobody wants to touch.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 11:53:10 AM
Such bullying and name calling...I see you are learning to use the very things you loathe and accuse the Trumpster of...bravo.  (don't fret though,  you can't trigger me) >:D

LOL...you think I am trying to trigger you.  As Trump likes to say, I am just pointing out the realities and facts.  How you would like to take it is up to you. 

Trumpsters are proud to support Trump and what he does...I see no reason to for them to think of it as being triggered or bullying.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 16, 2019, 11:54:44 AM
And there it descends into name calling. Not sure why you always gotta go there. This client has nothing politically in common with me but i value his political insights.

What name did I call you?

Not you IRC
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 12:00:38 PM
i see we're back to hating on morekaos again today.

the 2020 dem candidates must really be strong if he's all you guys can talk about  ::)

I don't hate anyone..I would just like people to be honest.  Trumpsters claim to love United States and are patriots when in reality they just want things to be way it was in the 1950s when women and minorities were seen but not heard.  They don't want to hear about or the plight of the poor because hey they are poor. 

Again, I said before...I would have much more admiration for libertarians if they just came out and said that they want a world where they can do whatever they want and everyone else can perish.

let's be honest about poor people then.  there will always be poor people.  the left loves to pander to poor people but won't do anything to actually help them because it's politically expedient to keep them in constant poverty and promise free stuff but never actually help them out of it. 

meanwhile, under trump food stamp participation is at a 10 year low, unemployment at record lows, and trump is providing avenues for prison reform which has been a major issue nobody wants to touch.

Yes...but that has nothing to do with Trump.  Did you give credit to Obama for pulling the country out of the Great Recession, 75 months of positive job growth, and for reducing the unemployment rate 5.3%?   

The prison reform bill passed Congress 358-36 and 87-12...yeah that's Trump's doing.

You keep touting Trump's achievements and yet they are either the result of Congressional movement or a continuation of what happened under Obama. 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 12:01:08 PM
And there it descends into name calling. Not sure why you always gotta go there. This client has nothing politically in common with me but i value his political insights.

What name did I call you?

Not you IRC

Okay...objection withdrawn.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 16, 2019, 12:01:59 PM
IC — Happiness comment just shows the usual lofty cliches and grandiose statements without any actual example or data .

Anyways these guys all have plenty of permission slips to continue voting for a racist , and same goes for most of the Oc republicans and trump evangelicals. Thankfully , there is a greater majority of others who want to still live in a civilized democracy that makes OC liveable ...
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 12:03:31 PM
IC — Happiness comment just shows the usual lofty cliches and grandiose statements without any actual example or data .

Anyways these guys all have plenty of permission slips to continue voting for a racist , and same goes for most of the Oc republicans and trump evangelicals. Thankfully , there is a greater majority of others who want to still live in a civilized democracy that makes OC liveable ...

Well...Trumpsters are down to nativist calls against minorities and McCarthy level freak out about communism and socialism.   Seems a lot like the 1950s....maybe even the 1850s.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 16, 2019, 12:04:39 PM
i see we're back to hating on morekaos again today.

the 2020 dem candidates must really be strong if he's all you guys can talk about  ::)

I don't hate anyone..I would just like people to be honest.  Trumpsters claim to love United States and are patriots when in reality they just want things to be way it was in the 1950s when women and minorities were seen but not heard.  They don't want to hear about or the plight of the poor because hey they are poor. 

Again, I said before...I would have much more admiration for libertarians if they just came out and said that they want a world where they can do whatever they want and everyone else can perish.

let's be honest about poor people then.  there will always be poor people.  the left loves to pander to poor people but won't do anything to actually help them because it's politically expedient to keep them in constant poverty and promise free stuff but never actually help them out of it. 

meanwhile, under trump food stamp participation is at a 10 year low, unemployment at record lows, and trump is providing avenues for prison reform which has been a major issue nobody wants to touch.

Yes...but that has nothing to do with Trump.  Did you give credit to Obama for pulling the country out of the Great Recession, 75 months of positive job growth, and for reducing the unemployment rate 5.3%?   

The prison reform bill passed Congress 358-36 and 87-12...yeah that's Trump's doing.

You keep touting Trump's achievements and yet they are either the result of Congressional movement or a continuation of what happened under Obama.

mmmmm yes, 3 years later and we are still claiming achievements during trump's presidency are courtesy of obama LOL
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 12:11:43 PM
i see we're back to hating on morekaos again today.

the 2020 dem candidates must really be strong if he's all you guys can talk about  ::)

I don't hate anyone..I would just like people to be honest.  Trumpsters claim to love United States and are patriots when in reality they just want things to be way it was in the 1950s when women and minorities were seen but not heard.  They don't want to hear about or the plight of the poor because hey they are poor. 

Again, I said before...I would have much more admiration for libertarians if they just came out and said that they want a world where they can do whatever they want and everyone else can perish.

let's be honest about poor people then.  there will always be poor people.  the left loves to pander to poor people but won't do anything to actually help them because it's politically expedient to keep them in constant poverty and promise free stuff but never actually help them out of it. 

meanwhile, under trump food stamp participation is at a 10 year low, unemployment at record lows, and trump is providing avenues for prison reform which has been a major issue nobody wants to touch.

Yes...but that has nothing to do with Trump.  Did you give credit to Obama for pulling the country out of the Great Recession, 75 months of positive job growth, and for reducing the unemployment rate 5.3%?   

The prison reform bill passed Congress 358-36 and 87-12...yeah that's Trump's doing.

You keep touting Trump's achievements and yet they are either the result of Congressional movement or a continuation of what happened under Obama.

mmmmm yes, 3 years later and we are still claiming achievements during trump's presidency are courtesy of obama LOL

1)  Did you give credit to Obama for the economy during his presidency?

2)  Trump did inject some stimulus into the economy with the tax cut but the effects were relatively low as compared to the projections and now we have an additional 1.2 trillion deficit.   I will give him those gains but the whole "historical low" thing is silly. 

Edit:  the U-5 and U-6 has ticked up in the last few months...curious to see if that trend continues.

3)  As I previously posted, Trump's achievements includes a continuation of economic growth, getting two Supreme Court justices approved by a GOP majority senate, and love letters with Kim. 

BTW, I thought Trump was against the Fed having low rates during the Obama administration...why is he pushing for low rates now?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 16, 2019, 12:27:39 PM
i see we're back to hating on morekaos again today.

the 2020 dem candidates must really be strong if he's all you guys can talk about  ::)

I don't hate anyone..I would just like people to be honest.  Trumpsters claim to love United States and are patriots when in reality they just want things to be way it was in the 1950s when women and minorities were seen but not heard.  They don't want to hear about or the plight of the poor because hey they are poor. 

Again, I said before...I would have much more admiration for libertarians if they just came out and said that they want a world where they can do whatever they want and everyone else can perish.

let's be honest about poor people then.  there will always be poor people.  the left loves to pander to poor people but won't do anything to actually help them because it's politically expedient to keep them in constant poverty and promise free stuff but never actually help them out of it. 

meanwhile, under trump food stamp participation is at a 10 year low, unemployment at record lows, and trump is providing avenues for prison reform which has been a major issue nobody wants to touch.

Yes...but that has nothing to do with Trump.  Did you give credit to Obama for pulling the country out of the Great Recession, 75 months of positive job growth, and for reducing the unemployment rate 5.3%?   

The prison reform bill passed Congress 358-36 and 87-12...yeah that's Trump's doing.

You keep touting Trump's achievements and yet they are either the result of Congressional movement or a continuation of what happened under Obama.

mmmmm yes, 3 years later and we are still claiming achievements during trump's presidency are courtesy of obama LOL

1)  Did you give credit to Obama for the economy during his presidency?

2)  Trump did inject some stimulus into the economy with the tax cut but the effects were relatively low as compared to the projections and now we have an additional 1.2 trillion deficit.   I will give him those gains but the whole "historical low" thing is silly. 

Edit:  the U-5 and U-6 has ticked up in the last few months...curious to see if that trend continues.

3)  As I previously posted, Trump's achievements includes a continuation of economic growth, getting two Supreme Court justices approved by a GOP majority senate, and love letters with Kim. 

BTW, I thought Trump was against the Fed having low rates during the Obama administration...why is he pushing for low rates now?

1. what did obama do specifically for the economy during his presidency?  big bank bailouts?  trump has cut taxes and regulations and is renegotiating defunct trade deals.  the market has responded positively.

2. you're right, historic lows mean nothing!  give me back 10% unemployment under obama  ::) do it for the poor people!

3. don't forget trump has shown how much hate liberals can have for one man  ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 12:31:36 PM

1. what did obama do specifically for the economy during his presidency?  big bank bailouts?  trump has cut taxes and regulations and is renegotiating defunct trade deals.  the market has responded positively.

2. you're right, historic lows mean nothing!  give me back 10% unemployment under obama  ::) do it for the poor people!

3. don't forget trump has shown how much hate liberals can have for one man  ;)

1)  So no..you don't give Obama any credit for 6 years of economic growth under his administration but I am supposed to credit Trump with his 2.5 years of growth. 

Wait...negotiating defunct trade deals?  Which deal is that?  NAFTA? Which is being replaced by a NAFTA clone agreement that is not passing Congress?   Can you tell me the substantive differences between NAFTA and the deal that Trump negotiated? 

I like how even you can't come up with an actual accomplishment...apparent renegotiating is an achievement now.

BTW, speaking of the market:

Quote
The short answer is that Trump has quite a way to go. Under Obama, the S&P 500 grew by 56.4%. The Dow Jones Industrials Average was up 50.6% and the Nasdaq, 92.9%.

The numbers under Trump were 21.4% for the S&P 500, 25.2% for the Dow, and 34.2% for Nasdaq.

https://fortune.com/2019/06/03/stock-market-trump-obama-sp-500/

2)  LOL.  Unemployment was 4.7% in December 2016 when Obama left office.  Clearly, Obama caused the Great Recession and we were all saved by Trump's presidency. 

3)  That's actually the only thing that Trump can tout and is the basis for his support.  Achievements and facts are irrelevant in Trump world. 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 12:35:27 PM
i see we're back to hating on morekaos again today.

the 2020 dem candidates must really be strong if he's all you guys can talk about  ::)

Mind your own bees wax. Maybe you should also volunteer in LB to make it great again?

Make LB great again?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 16, 2019, 12:40:31 PM
Back on topic,  I just had a long talk with a client who is pretty up there in the national Dem world.  He is so far uncommitted to anyone.  This from a multi million dollar doner/fundraiser.  He thinks Bernie is too left, Biden is a lightweight, likes Warren but thinks she is also too tax heavy and too left, is luke warm on Kamalla and sees little from the 1%ers that are left.  That is not a good bench to pick from to take on Trump...seriously.

Some one dumb enough to invest their money with you cannot be taken seriously : )

If I had the money to invest, I would look at using morekaos.

While you disagree with him greatly on politics, your financial calls seems to be similar to his. If you check the Dow threads, seems like morekaos has been right more times than wrong... or maybe I'm mixing posts up.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 12:45:16 PM
Back on topic,  I just had a long talk with a client who is pretty up there in the national Dem world.  He is so far uncommitted to anyone.  This from a multi million dollar doner/fundraiser.  He thinks Bernie is too left, Biden is a lightweight, likes Warren but thinks she is also too tax heavy and too left, is luke warm on Kamalla and sees little from the 1%ers that are left.  That is not a good bench to pick from to take on Trump...seriously.

Some one dumb enough to invest their money with you cannot be taken seriously : )

If I had the money to invest, I would look at using morekaos.

While you disagree with him greatly on politics, your financial calls seems to be similar to his. If you check the Dow threads, seems like morekaos has been right more times than wrong... or maybe I'm mixing posts up.

A big joke. The people I know that work at the big investment firms are nothing like him. They are very professional and don’t offend people. Remember in sales and everything else it’s all about reputation.

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 16, 2019, 12:47:39 PM
This is juvenile crap but here we go since nothing else seems to be getting through

S&P500 Equity market returns during Obama tenure = 2270/927 minus 1 = 144 percent over 8 years , so 12 percent CAGR

Do the same thing for trumps 2.5 years so far and you get 11 percent CAGR .

And this is happening despite the largest corporate tax cut in a generation

Again this is not how I judge presidents but for those who use the stock market as an gauge to justify voting for a racist
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 12:50:19 PM
Such bullying and name calling...I see you are learning to use the very things you loathe and accuse the Trumpster of...bravo.  (don't fret though,  you can't trigger me) >:D

LOL...you think I am trying to trigger you.  As Trump likes to say, I am just pointing out the realities and facts.  How you would like to take it is up to you. 

Trumpsters are proud to support Trump and what he does...I see no reason to for them to think of it as being triggered or bullying.

He thinks it’s okay when Trump picks on people. But when people do the same thing to him he doesn’t like it.
If you can’t stand the heat then get out of the kitchen.

#Genius
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 16, 2019, 12:54:20 PM
Again, let's talk about the opinions, not the members or their professions.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 12:56:16 PM
Again, let's talk about the opinions, not the members or their professions.

Everything is fair game. If he doesn’t like it leave and got to Reddit.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 16, 2019, 01:13:00 PM
Again, let's talk about the opinions, not the members or their professions.

are you here to play referee or do you have any tangible comments to offer on what is being discussed

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 16, 2019, 01:13:28 PM
Never said i didn't like it, frankly i don't care.  I just don't see how it advances your point and I think it's funny that people use the same tactic they call trump a neanderthal for but its ok if they use it.  Just seems a hypocritical way of  arguing.  Like i have said, I could give a rats what anonymous posters think about me on the internet, good or bad.  As for professionalism no one here is a client of mine nor have i ever tried to find one here.  My largest clients are of the liberal Hollywood sect.  They share no common political views with me. in fact, I am one of the sole Repubs many of them even know.  All they care about is that I make them money, they could care less what my political, religious or gender views are.  I do my job, and thats not to bolster their opinions. Its makin them money something i have been very good at for over 33 years.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 01:19:40 PM
Never said i didn't like it, frankly i don't care.  I just don't see how it advances your point and I think it's funny that people use the same tactic they call trump a neanderthal for but its ok if they use it.  Just seems a hypocritical way of  arguing.  Like i have said, I could give a rats what anonymous posters think about me on the internet, good or bad.  As for professionalism no one here is a client of mine nor have i ever tried to find one here.  My largest clients are of the liberal Hollywood sect.  They share no common political views with me. in fact, I am one of the sole Repubs many of them even know.  All they care about is that I make them money, they could care less what my political, religious or gender views are.  I do my job, and thats not to bolster their opinions. Its makin them money something i have been very good at for over 33 years.

Ok good you have no problem. You all heard it.

Make LB Great Again  ;)

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 16, 2019, 01:23:01 PM
LB is already great...it's why I left Irvine, except for all the homeless crankheads but we are working on that.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 01:25:28 PM
LB is great...except for all the homeless crankheads but we are working on that.

Trash on the sidewalks, graffiti, crime, drugs, gangs
(Did I say crime?)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 16, 2019, 01:27:03 PM
Again, not on my island.  that is the great secret, I am happy you are helping keep it that way.

https://youtu.be/L3YDNmri7zw

https://youtu.be/L3YDNmri7zw (https://youtu.be/L3YDNmri7zw)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 01:29:40 PM
Again, not on my island.  that is the great secret, I am happy you are helping keep it that way.

Let’s get things straight. Your previous statement was False.

But you can make the city great by volunterting or something.

My name is ____ and I want to make the city great again. Lol 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 01:32:45 PM
That whole concept of great again is a JOke! But I’ll use it until it’s played out and your sick of it.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 16, 2019, 01:34:48 PM
Again, let's talk about the opinions, not the members or their professions.

Everything is fair game. If he doesn’t like it leave and got to Reddit.

This is A classic, LOL

People are ok w a racist as a president and non-whites being told to “go back” to their countries but god forbid anyone cast aspersions  kaos’ investment genius — because that is a violation of civility , never mind that he himself flaunts his supposed “skills” all day and night long spraying purple chemical all over the TI ecosystem

No sir, we are polite people here on TI and we shan’t stand for that . do I make myself clear ?

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on July 16, 2019, 01:45:19 PM
If you guys think the Trump vs. Dem situation is divisive, just wait until the Squad starts pushing for BDS. The Progressive Civil War will be a slaughterhouse.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 16, 2019, 01:54:37 PM
You don't think they'll back Warren?  She is a women of color (1\2400th indian)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 01:58:20 PM
You don't think they'll back Warren?  She is a women of color (1\2400th indian)

Again...policies don't matter, just personal attacks.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 02:02:18 PM
You don't think they'll back Warren?  She is a women of color (1\2400th indian)

Again...policies don't matter, just personal attacks.

Lol

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 16, 2019, 02:08:34 PM
And how was that a personal attack?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on July 16, 2019, 02:15:52 PM
The loudest complainers about personal attacks are invariably those who make the most personal attacks themselves.

By the way, haven't heard from Perspective lately. Wonder how (s)he's doing.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 02:17:35 PM
The loudest complainers about personal attacks are invariably those who make the most personal attacks themselves.

By the way, haven't heard from Perspective lately. Wonder how (s)he's doing.


It’s all good. Step aside and take cover. It’s like TI meets Fornite jkjk
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: momopi on July 16, 2019, 02:29:38 PM
This is A classic, LOL
People are ok w a racist as a president and non-whites being told to “go back” to their countries but god forbid anyone cast aspersions  kaos’ investment genius — because that is a violation of civility , never mind that he himself flaunts his supposed “skills” all day and night long spraying purple chemical all over the TI ecosystem
No sir, we are polite people here on TI and we shan’t stand for that . do I make myself clear ?

There are two Americas.  When the President speaks about people from "sh*thole countries", one reacts with shock while the other nods in agreement.  The two opposing Americas exist in the same nexus of time and space so long as they accept election results.  At some point when they refuse to accept election results, or if election rules were tampered with to the point where one side refuse to accept, we'll have a conflict that may result with one side dominating the other by force, or some degree of separation with possibility of remaining within a loose federation.

From a Prepper perspective we are concerned with surviving the potential upheaval and do not realistically expect to hold sufficient influence to change or alter national or sub-national political outcomes.  The survivalists who thinks they can bug out to Big Bear at the last min and survive by hunting wild game will likely end up eating a poisoned mushroom.  I cannot predict all the possible risks and outcomes, but if anyone is interested in being prepped, the LDS (Mormon) Church runs an online store that sells a variety of canned groceries in #10 cans with 30 year shelf life (when stored properly), and "Blue Can Water" here in Los Angeles sell canned water with 50 year shelf life that can tolerate ~148F.  Aluminum canned water is not cheap but preferable to plastic/PET bottles with BPA/BHPF.  Least you won't be another liability looking for handout from FEMA when something bad happens.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 02:42:38 PM
This is A classic, LOL
People are ok w a racist as a president and non-whites being told to “go back” to their countries but god forbid anyone cast aspersions  kaos’ investment genius — because that is a violation of civility , never mind that he himself flaunts his supposed “skills” all day and night long spraying purple chemical all over the TI ecosystem
No sir, we are polite people here on TI and we shan’t stand for that . do I make myself clear ?

There are two Americas.  When the President speaks about people from "sh*thole countries", one reacts with shock while the other nods in agreement.  The two opposing Americas exist in the same nexus of time and space so long as they accept election results.  At some point when they refuse to accept election results, or if election rules were tampered with to the point where one side refuse to accept, we'll have a conflict that may result with one side dominating the other by force, or some degree of separation with possibility of remaining within a loose federation.

From a Prepper perspective we are concerned with surviving the potential upheaval and do not realistically expect to hold sufficient influence to change or alter national or sub-national political outcomes.  The survivalists who thinks they can bug out to Big Bear at the last min and survive by hunting wild game will likely end up eating a poisoned mushroom.  I cannot predict all the possible risks and outcomes, but if anyone is interested in being prepped, the LDS (Mormon) Church runs an online store that sells a variety of canned groceries in #10 cans with 30 year shelf life (when stored properly), and "Blue Can Water" here in Los Angeles sell canned water with 50 year shelf life that can tolerate ~148F.  Aluminum canned water is not cheap but preferable to plastic/PET bottles with BPA/BHPF.  Least you won't be another liability looking for handout from FEMA when something bad happens.

You should start an online prepper store.  Me?  I will just fly to Taiwan...at least I get free healthcare there.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 02:45:43 PM
And how was that a personal attack?

Personal attack on Warren.  Nothing about her policies...just the standard Trumpster attack line.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 16, 2019, 02:55:58 PM
And how was that a personal attack?

Personal attack on Warren.  Nothing about her policies...just the standard Trumpster attack line.

at least she has her tribe to support her after that vicious personal attack
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 16, 2019, 02:59:02 PM
Again, let's talk about the opinions, not the members or their professions.

are you here to play referee or do you have any tangible comments to offer on what is being discussed

I have asked about which Dem candidate has a chance against Trump so I can look them up.

I’ve been told it’s a surprise.

Just trying to keep it civil. I’ve been accused of personally attacking people although I’ve only questioned opinions and never have asked another member to leave TI.

Do I think Trump is racist? Seems like it. Do I think morekaos is racist? No. But others think he is, and since criticizing him seems like fair game, do you?

Supporting some positions doesn’t necessarily mean you are like that person, we can agree on some things but be very opposed on others. That’s why I say to comment on the opinions rather than the person, because you can’t make an accurate characterization based purely on what they post on TI.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 03:10:02 PM
And how was that a personal attack?

Personal attack on Warren.  Nothing about her policies...just the standard Trumpster attack line.

at least she has her tribe to support her after that vicious personal attack

Yet again...not discussions re policies.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 03:15:13 PM
Again, let's talk about the opinions, not the members or their professions.

are you here to play referee or do you have any tangible comments to offer on what is being discussed

I have asked about which Dem candidate has a chance against Trump so I can look them up.

I’ve been told it’s a surprise.

Just trying to keep it civil. I’ve been accused of personally attacking people although I’ve only questioned opinions and never have asked another member to leave TI.

Do I think Trump is racist? Seems like it. Do I think morekaos is racist? No. But others think he is, and since criticizing him seems like fair game, do you?

Supporting some positions doesn’t necessarily mean you are like that person, we can agree on some things but be very opposed on others. That’s why I say to comment on the opinions rather than the person, because you can’t make an accurate characterization based purely on what they post on TI.

I am a fan of Yang...he is a long-shot but his policies and thought process are both forward thinking and reasonable.  You can start with his podcast with Joe Rogan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTsEzmFamZ8

I am good with Warren as well because she has articulated detailed plans for what she wants to do, some of which I don't agree with but at least she put the thoughts/details down.  She was also a big critic of big banks and wall street before the bubble burst so I trust her on representing the individual more than the corporation.

The rest of the Dems are a mixed bag for me but pretty anyone is better than Trump. 

At this point, I can't call Trump anything but a racist in light of his history and his statements as President.  Whether he is an intentional racist or "accidental" racist, it doesn't really matter at this point.

I don't know about Morekaos personally so I cannot speak about his POV.  I am willing to say that he is seems to believe that he is above the rhetoric and laughing about the squabbling humans and that no matter what happens, he's good.  He is after all "More Kaos" 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 16, 2019, 03:15:40 PM
And how was that a personal attack?

Personal attack on Warren.  Nothing about her policies...just the standard Trumpster attack line.

at least she has her tribe to support her after that vicious personal attack

Yet again...not discussions re policies.

policies are only half the battle, you know that.  that's why madam president didn't get "her turn"
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 03:18:11 PM
And how was that a personal attack?

Personal attack on Warren.  Nothing about her policies...just the standard Trumpster attack line.

at least she has her tribe to support her after that vicious personal attack

Yet again...not discussions re policies.

policies are only half the battle, you know that.  that's why madam president didn't get "her turn"

Then just say that you don't care about policies and just want to go with the lizard part of the brain. 

Like I said, just be honest.   Don't pretend that there is a logical or reasonable basis for your support for Trump or pretend that his "policies" are of any value...you don't honestly care.  You just care about yourself and that Trump is acting like a clown for your amusement.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 16, 2019, 03:18:44 PM
Again, let's talk about the opinions, not the members or their professions.

are you here to play referee or do you have any tangible comments to offer on what is being discussed

I have asked about which Dem candidate has a chance against Trump so I can look them up.

I’ve been told it’s a surprise.

Just trying to keep it civil. I’ve been accused of personally attacking people although I’ve only questioned opinions and never have asked another member to leave TI.

Do I think Trump is racist? Seems like it. Do I think morekaos is racist? No. But others think he is, and since criticizing him seems like fair game, do you?

Supporting some positions doesn’t necessarily mean you are like that person, we can agree on some things but be very opposed on others. That’s why I say to comment on the opinions rather than the person, because you can’t make an accurate characterization based purely on what they post on TI.

I am a fan of Yang...he is a long-shot but his policies and thought process are both forward thinking and reasonable.  You can start with his podcast with Joe Rogan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTsEzmFamZ8

I am good with Warren as well because she has articulated detailed plans for what she wants to do, some of which I don't agree with but at least she put the thoughts/details down.  She was also a big critic of big banks and wall street before the bubble burst so I trust her on representing the individual more than the corporation.

The rest of the Dems are a mixed bag for me but pretty anyone is better than Trump. 

At this point, I can't call Trump anything but a racist in light of his history and his statements as President.  Whether he is an intentional racist or "accidental" racist, it doesn't really matter at this point.

I don't know about Morekaos personally so I cannot speak about his POV.  I am willing to say that he is seems to believe that he is above the rhetoric and laughing about the squabbling humans and that no matter what happens, he's good.  He is after all "More Kaos"

finally, someone willing to discuss the topic of the thread
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 16, 2019, 03:21:05 PM
And how was that a personal attack?

Personal attack on Warren.  Nothing about her policies...just the standard Trumpster attack line.

at least she has her tribe to support her after that vicious personal attack

Yet again...not discussions re policies.

policies are only half the battle, you know that.  that's why madam president didn't get "her turn"

Then just say that you don't care about policies and just want to go with the lizard part of the brain. 

Like I said, just be honest.   Don't pretend that there is a logical or reasonable basis for your support for Trump or pretend that his "policies" are of any value...you don't honestly care.  You just care about yourself and that Trump is acting like a clown for your amusement.

sounds like you just need a bigger lizard brain  :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 16, 2019, 03:30:16 PM
@ic:

When I mentioned personal attacks, I mean on the members at TI. Since this is a 2020 president election thread, as you can see, members will talk about the people, not just the policies. I've never said fortune11 can't call Trump racist, but someone calling morekaos racist becomes dicey.

As for your candidate list, while I agree that anyone might be better than Trump, that's not the question, the question, as Kings posted, is who can beat an incumbent president that has for some reason, despite his "charisma", garnered enough support to get him elected in the first place.

My take, which could be wrong, is the reasons he won were more about changing of guard, shaking things up, money, maybe Russians (still not sure how that worked) and dislike for Hillary (not just her, but the Clinton clan). I still think that now some if not many people regretted that but as others have said, he appeals to a demographic that ironically is against current social movements.

So I think that will be an important tentpole that Dems are going to gather under (as can be seen by Biden's support for things that opposes Trump).

But is that enough?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 03:41:52 PM
@ic:

When I mentioned personal attacks, I mean on the members at TI. Since this is a 2020 president election thread, as you can see, members will talk about the people, not just the policies. I've never said fortune11 can't call Trump racist, but someone calling morekaos racist becomes dicey.

As for your candidate list, while I agree that anyone might be better than Trump, that's not the question, the question, as Kings posted, is who can beat an incumbent president that has for some reason, despite his "charisma", garnered enough support to get him elected in the first place.

My take, which could be wrong, is the reasons he won were more about changing of guard, shaking things up, money, maybe Russians (still not sure how that worked) and dislike for Hillary (not just her, but the Clinton clan). I still think that now some if not many people regretted that but as others have said, he appeals to a demographic that ironically is against current social movements.

So I think that will be an important tentpole that Dems are going to gather under (as can be seen by Biden's support for things that opposes Trump).

But is that enough?

Trump won for two reasons:  One is economic and the other is social...they are somewhat connected but not completely.

Economically, there is divide between rural and urban America as to benefits gained since the Great Recession.  The urban areas have largely recovered and prospered while the rural areas have been left behind.  Things like automation/AI and business migration have hurt rural areas significantly  more than urban areas.  Now, it is my belief that AI/automation impact on urban lower/middle class is coming and it will hurt a lot of people.   You can also make similar arguments (less impactful) re globalization's effect on rural/urban America.

Socially, the areas that are hardest hit by the economic shift caused by automation/AI are predominantly white....remember, HRC won the popular vote but lost the electoral vote because she lost Rust Belt states.  She was also unable to motivate her base in the urban area to vote because she really didn't present any new policies or direction.   This is where the social "us versus them" strategy by Trump is about.  It's not your fault that the factory closed down, it's the Chinese with their cheating ways and the brown folks.  You are an American and thus you should be the best...the brown people and the globalists are holding you down!  It's not a new playbook...it's just one people haven't read from in awhile.

Trump did hit the enough right notes both economically and socially to get him votes in swing states...they figured, what the heck do they have to lose?   

In 2020, I think Trump will be much more vulnerable because he is know commodity.  He can't run on "drain the swamp" because his cabinet is more swampy than ever.  He can't run against HRC anymore so he needs to set up some new enemies...he is auditioning his villains for the crowds and see what reaction he will get.  So, he is setting up the census question, the border, and now the "go back to where you came from" line.

I expect the rhetoric from him to get worse because he has nothing else to run on...especially if the economy flattens out or drops.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 16, 2019, 03:48:27 PM
The "known commodity" part is concerning.

Yes, I would hope that people would come to their senses and vote against him, but at the same time, he has empowered the demographic you spoke about and is playing the "security" card.

Did the Dems win the mid-terms? I think they did even though Kings and morekaos won't admit it, so that could be an indicator of 2020. What has the pattern been for previous presidents/terms when it comes to mid-term results?

Is it seasonal? :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 03:58:09 PM
And how was that a personal attack?

Personal attack on Warren.  Nothing about her policies...just the standard Trumpster attack line.

at least she has her tribe to support her after that vicious personal attack

Help Morekas make LB great again!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 16, 2019, 03:58:36 PM
don't forget that trump brings out the worst in anyone that challenges him.

pocohontas dug her own grave by releasing her 23 and me results showing she's 1/2000 native american and claiming she's cherokee so that she could stick it to trump

hillary called half the country deplorable to stick it to trump

hell, all of the 2020 dem candidates raised their hands in the last debate for giving illegal aliens free healthcare so that they could stick it to trump

voters see these things and take note about who they want leading them for the next 4 years.  the eventual dem nominee will need to run a flawless campaign and not try to stick it to trump - but it's just so hard not to fight back...our lizard brains can't help it  ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 04:01:58 PM
don't forget that trump brings out the worst in anyone that challenges him.

pocohontas dug her own grave by releasing her 23 and me results showing she's 1/2000 native american and claiming she's cherokee so that she could stick it to trump

hillary called half the country deplorable to stick it to trump

hell, all of the 2020 dem candidates raised their hands in the last debate for giving illegal aliens free healthcare so that they could stick it to trump

voters see these things and take note about who they want leading them for the next 4 years.  the eventual dem nominee will need to run a flawless campaign and not try to stick it to trump - but it's just so hard not to fight back...our lizard brains can't help it  ;)

National security weak - big Kim shooting missles like fireworks, Iran shooting down US drone and Trump did nothing.

Come on. I think a 7 year old playing Fornite would know what to do.


Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 04:02:42 PM
The "known commodity" part is concerning.

Yes, I would hope that people would come to their senses and vote against him, but at the same time, he has empowered the demographic you spoke about and is playing the "security" card.

Did the Dems win the mid-terms? I think they did even though Kings and morekaos won't admit it, so that could be an indicator of 2020. What has the pattern been for previous presidents/terms when it comes to mid-term results?

Is it seasonal? :)

Dems definitely won in 2018...problem is that the Senate was set up in a way where it was highly unlikely for Dems to take seats.  Out of the 33 seats up for election, 23 were Dems and 8 were Republican...thus it was super hard hill to climb. 

Dems received 10+ milion votes than GOP and the percentage was +8.6...that's a pretty serious drubbing.  Dems also got 60+ million votes, which was almost as many votes as they got in 2016, a presidential year.  By comparison, Dems only got 35 million votes in 2014 and 59 million in 2012 (also a presidential year).  GOP also got 50 million votes in 2018, which means both sides were good at getting out votes but Dems were more motivated.

What does that mean in 2020, hard to say.  I can say that Trump's base of 35% is ready to vote but the question is whether the 8-10% he got in 2016 will vote for him again...and more importantly, whether he can hold the Rust Belt states.

His polling there has been really bad but it is hard to say a year and a half out.

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 16, 2019, 04:03:41 PM

Did the Dems win the mid-terms? I think they did even though Kings and morekaos won't admit it, so that could be an indicator of 2020. What has the pattern been for previous presidents/terms when it comes to mid-term results?

Is it seasonal? :)

let's compare trump and obama, since everyone loves to make that comparison.

obama lost 63 seats to republicans in the house and 6 seats in the senate in his first midterm

trump lost 40 seats to dems in the house and gained 2 seats in the senate

i'll let you draw your own conclusions from those results
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 04:04:53 PM
don't forget that trump brings out the worst in anyone that challenges him.

pocohontas dug her own grave by releasing her 23 and me results showing she's 1/2000 native american and claiming she's cherokee so that she could stick it to trump

hillary called half the country deplorable to stick it to trump

hell, all of the 2020 dem candidates raised their hands in the last debate for giving illegal aliens free healthcare so that they could stick it to trump

voters see these things and take note about who they want leading them for the next 4 years.  the eventual dem nominee will need to run a flawless campaign and not try to stick it to trump - but it's just so hard not to fight back...our lizard brains can't help it  ;)

National security weak - big Kim shooting missles like fireworks, Iran shooting down US drone and Trump did nothing.

Come on. I think a 7 year old playing Fornite would know what to do.

The only things Trump can run on is the economy and scary brown people.  I have a feeling that the economy is not going to be so great by the end of this year...and probably not great in 2020.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 04:08:52 PM
I can tell you this. Eyephone is very strong on security. I got my cameras/alerts/armed response.

I can tell you this if someone broke into my house. I would have to defend myself and do something. (However, you have to know the law.)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on July 16, 2019, 04:11:49 PM
You guys are overanalyzing 2017. It's quite simple, the Simpsons rule: while we all know Lisa is smarter, we will always root for for Bart. Bart will stick it to the man. No one likes a Ms. know-it-all.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 04:19:37 PM
You guys are overanalyzing 2017. It's quite simple, the Simpsons rule: while we all know Lisa is smarter, we will always root for for Bart. Bart will stick it to the man. No one likes a Ms. know-it-all.

I don't know about 2017...not much happened electorally in 2017.

You seem to believe that somehow Trump is Bart when in reality, he is Mr. Burns.  He is part of the "man" and has shown he cares more about his own interests as well as his corporate/rich friends than the common person.   I don't even blame people for voting for him in 2016, but if you vote for him 2020, it's out of pure spite and anger.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on July 16, 2019, 04:32:46 PM
You guys are overanalyzing 2017. It's quite simple, the Simpsons rule: while we all know Lisa is smarter, we will always root for for Bart. Bart will stick it to the man. No one likes a Ms. know-it-all.

I don't know about 2017...not much happened electorally in 2017.

You seem to believe that somehow Trump is Bart when in reality, he is Mr. Burns.  He is part of the "man" and has shown he cares more about his own interests as well as his corporate/rich friends than the common person.   I don't even blame people for voting for him in 2016, but if you vote for him 2020, it's out of pure spite and anger.
You're talking about what happened after the election. I'm talking about why people voted for Trump. During the campaign, Trump did not talk about his rich friends, he talked about helping the forgotten common people.

HRC displayed her Liberal contempt for the common people during the campaign by:
1) Calling the common people deplorable.
2) Conspire with the DNC to rig the primary election in her favor.
3) Gave a secret speech to Goldman Sachs were she told them to basically ignore what she says about helping the common people.



Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 04:36:31 PM

Did the Dems win the mid-terms? I think they did even though Kings and morekaos won't admit it, so that could be an indicator of 2020. What has the pattern been for previous presidents/terms when it comes to mid-term results?

Is it seasonal? :)

let's compare trump and obama, since everyone loves to make that comparison.

obama lost 63 seats to republicans in the house and 6 seats in the senate in his first midterm

trump lost 40 seats to dems in the house and gained 2 seats in the senate

i'll let you draw your own conclusions from those results

You keep living your dream land...the shift in 2010 to 2012 economically was massive and that's what kept Obama in power.  2009 GDP fell by 2.6% and 2010, it went up by 2.5% (net swing of 5.1%),  2011...it went up 1.6% and 2012 it went up 2.2.

So unless Trump's GDP numbers hit above 4%...you are not going to have that economic argument in 2020.  The fact that Trump is only at 43% with a decent economy is telling.   

2nd quarter is going to be interesting...estimates are between 1.5 and 2%. 


Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 04:37:03 PM
You guys are overanalyzing 2017. It's quite simple, the Simpsons rule: while we all know Lisa is smarter, we will always root for for Bart. Bart will stick it to the man. No one likes a Ms. know-it-all.

I don't know about 2017...not much happened electorally in 2017.

You seem to believe that somehow Trump is Bart when in reality, he is Mr. Burns.  He is part of the "man" and has shown he cares more about his own interests as well as his corporate/rich friends than the common person.   I don't even blame people for voting for him in 2016, but if you vote for him 2020, it's out of pure spite and anger.
You're talking about what happened after the election. I'm talking about why people voted for Trump. During the campaign, Trump did not talk about his rich friends, he talked about helping the forgotten common people.

HRC displayed her Liberal contempt for the common people during the campaign by:
1) Calling the common people deplorable.
2) Conspire with the DNC to rig the primary election in her favor.
3) Gave a secret speech to Goldman Sachs were she told them to basically ignore what she says about helping the common people.

Hilary is like old. That’s like talking about Romney and McCain failed presidential run.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 16, 2019, 04:38:37 PM

Did the Dems win the mid-terms? I think they did even though Kings and morekaos won't admit it, so that could be an indicator of 2020. What has the pattern been for previous presidents/terms when it comes to mid-term results?

Is it seasonal? :)

let's compare trump and obama, since everyone loves to make that comparison.

obama lost 63 seats to republicans in the house and 6 seats in the senate in his first midterm

trump lost 40 seats to dems in the house and gained 2 seats in the senate

i'll let you draw your own conclusions from those results

You keep living your dream land...the shift in 2010 to 2012 economically was massive and that's what kept Obama in power.  2009 GDP fell by 2.6% and 2010, it went up by 2.5% (net swing of 5.1%),  2011...it went up 1.6% and 2012 it went up 2.2.

So unless Trump's GDP numbers hit above 4%...you are not going to have that economic argument in 2020.  The fact that Trump is only at 43% with a decent economy is telling.   

2nd quarter is going to be interesting...estimates are between 1.5 and 2%.

-presented with facts

"dream land!!"

 ;D
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 04:38:41 PM
You guys are overanalyzing 2017. It's quite simple, the Simpsons rule: while we all know Lisa is smarter, we will always root for for Bart. Bart will stick it to the man. No one likes a Ms. know-it-all.

I don't know about 2017...not much happened electorally in 2017.

You seem to believe that somehow Trump is Bart when in reality, he is Mr. Burns.  He is part of the "man" and has shown he cares more about his own interests as well as his corporate/rich friends than the common person.   I don't even blame people for voting for him in 2016, but if you vote for him 2020, it's out of pure spite and anger.
You're talking about what happened after the election. I'm talking about why people voted for Trump. During the campaign, Trump did not talk about his rich friends, he talked about helping the forgotten common people.

HRC displayed her Liberal contempt for the common people during the campaign by:
1) Calling the common people deplorable.
2) Conspire with the DNC to rig the primary election in her favor.
3) Gave a secret speech to Goldman Sachs were she told them to basically ignore what she says about helping the common people.

Yes...I know.  Trump was the ultimate con man...of course only Trumpsters believed the con and continued to believe it.   

She called Trumpsters deplorable...a sentiment that has bared to be mostly reality 3 years later. 

You clearly missed my post above regarding 2016 election.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 04:39:44 PM

Did the Dems win the mid-terms? I think they did even though Kings and morekaos won't admit it, so that could be an indicator of 2020. What has the pattern been for previous presidents/terms when it comes to mid-term results?

Is it seasonal? :)

let's compare trump and obama, since everyone loves to make that comparison.

obama lost 63 seats to republicans in the house and 6 seats in the senate in his first midterm

trump lost 40 seats to dems in the house and gained 2 seats in the senate

i'll let you draw your own conclusions from those results

You keep living your dream land...the shift in 2010 to 2012 economically was massive and that's what kept Obama in power.  2009 GDP fell by 2.6% and 2010, it went up by 2.5% (net swing of 5.1%),  2011...it went up 1.6% and 2012 it went up 2.2.

So unless Trump's GDP numbers hit above 4%...you are not going to have that economic argument in 2020.  The fact that Trump is only at 43% with a decent economy is telling.   

2nd quarter is going to be interesting...estimates are between 1.5 and 2%.

-presented with facts

"dream land!!"

 ;D

Well...it's definitely dreamland if you don't think GOP lost badly in 2018. 

Still waiting for that annual growth over 4% that Trump promised...and for the next 10 years.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 16, 2019, 04:42:32 PM
This is juvenile crap but here we go since nothing else seems to be getting through

S&P500 Equity market returns during Obama tenure = 2270/927 minus 1 = 144 percent over 8 years , so 12 percent CAGR

Do the same thing for trumps 2.5 years so far and you get 11 percent CAGR .

And this is happening despite the largest corporate tax cut in a generation

Again this is not how I judge presidents but for those who use the stock market as an gauge to justify voting for a racist

Reposting it again

All of you oc repubs made a ton of more money under Obama but kept cursing him anyways

Trump has taken what could have been a steady growth pattern and increased recovery and turned it upside down . But you still love him - again, tribal instinct

IC is 100 percent correct here . Don’t couch your reptilian instincts by arguing for 10 paragraphs about reasons why . It is a lot more basic than that .
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 16, 2019, 05:08:40 PM
This is juvenile crap but here we go since nothing else seems to be getting through

S&P500 Equity market returns during Obama tenure = 2270/927 minus 1 = 144 percent over 8 years , so 12 percent CAGR

Do the same thing for trumps 2.5 years so far and you get 11 percent CAGR .

And this is happening despite the largest corporate tax cut in a generation

Again this is not how I judge presidents but for those who use the stock market as an gauge to justify voting for a racist

Reposting it again

All of you oc repubs made a ton of more money under Obama but kept cursing him anyways

Trump has taken what could have been a steady growth pattern and increased recovery and turned it upside down . But you still love him - again, tribal instinct

IC is 100 percent correct here . Don’t couch your reptilian instincts by arguing for 10 paragraphs about reasons why . It is a lot more basic than that .

except you should know the markets trade on future sentiment, so instead of using biased results and omitting 10% runup after trump was elected in nov 2016, allow me correct the record

s&p 11/4/08: 1,005
s&p 11/7/16: 2,131

obama cagr: 10%

s&p 11/8/16: 2,139
s&p 7/16/19: 3,004

trump cagr: 15%
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 05:19:02 PM
Million dollar question. Should Melania and her parents go back where they came from?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 16, 2019, 05:25:28 PM
And that after a nobel peace prize winner and all of Wall Street predicted endless recession and a cratering stock market....like for sure

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 05:29:27 PM
And that after a nobel peace prize winner and all of Wall Street predicted endless recession and a cratering stock market....like for sure

What prize? A jar of kimchee from Fat Kim. Give me a break
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 05:31:16 PM
Million dollar question. Should Melania and her parents go back where they came from?

No response means deport her too.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 16, 2019, 05:38:19 PM
This is juvenile crap but here we go since nothing else seems to be getting through

S&P500 Equity market returns during Obama tenure = 2270/927 minus 1 = 144 percent over 8 years , so 12 percent CAGR

Do the same thing for trumps 2.5 years so far and you get 11 percent CAGR .

And this is happening despite the largest corporate tax cut in a generation

Again this is not how I judge presidents but for those who use the stock market as an gauge to justify voting for a racist

Reposting it again

All of you oc repubs made a ton of more money under Obama but kept cursing him anyways

Trump has taken what could have been a steady growth pattern and increased recovery and turned it upside down . But you still love him - again, tribal instinct

IC is 100 percent correct here . Don’t couch your reptilian instincts by arguing for 10 paragraphs about reasons why . It is a lot more basic than that .

except you should know the markets trade on future sentiment, so instead of using biased results and omitting 10% runup after trump was elected in nov 2016, allow me correct the record

s&p 11/4/08: 1,005
s&p 11/7/16: 2,131

obama cagr: 10%

s&p 11/8/16: 2,139
s&p 7/16/19: 3,004

trump cagr: 15%

Reptilian brain at work again

Should I adjust it also for the huge recession that Obama inherited that continued to kill s&p until March 2009 when he finally was able to get his cabinet together . And reset it to 666 market bottom for Obama s numbers ?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 16, 2019, 05:41:00 PM
Million dollar question. Should Melania and her parents go back where they came from?

No she is white and blonde w blue eyes

Crusty old orange country boomers and evangelicals who were aghast at Michele Obama’s bare arms adore melania’s exquisite nude modeling pictures and her perfect command of the English language .

Deporting her would be a national loss
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 16, 2019, 05:45:40 PM
Million dollar question. Should Melania and her parents go back where they came from?

No she is white and blonde w blue eyes

Crusty old orange country boomers and evangelicals who were aghast at Michele Obama’s bare arms adore melania’s exquisite nude modeling pictures and her perfect command of the English language .

Deporting her would be a national loss

Send her to the camp? Lol This whole situation is a big time joke.
Speaking of which. Have you seen the female ICE agent? (people are like calling her a model lol)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 16, 2019, 06:50:54 PM
I guess I just dont understand 17 dimensional chess. 

North Korea warned Tuesday that negotiations with the United States could falter and that its nuclear and missile tests might resume if the U.S. and South Korea move forward with planned military exercises.

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/16/742129952/irate-over-military-exercises-north-korea-threatens-to-resume-nuclear-missile-te
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 16, 2019, 07:22:13 PM
Michael Steele ain't playing around -- it is as if he is describing people you know !

"Michael Steele, the former chairman of the Republican National Committee, called evangelical Christians who support President Donald Trump "the biggest phonies of all" in a new book by the journalist Tim Alberta.

"These evangelical [leaders] are the biggest phonies of all," Alberta quoted Steele as saying in his newly published book, "American Carnage: On the Front Lines of the Republican Civil War and the Rise of President Trump."

Steele went on, "These are the people who spent the last forty years telling everyone how to live, who to love, what to think about morality. And then this motherf---er comes along defiling the White House and disrespecting God's children at every turn, but it's cool, because he gave them two Supreme Court justices. They got their thirty pieces of silver."
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 17, 2019, 02:07:19 PM
Poker...Smith is now the Dem party.

Narrow majority of Americans including 3 in 10 DEMOCRATS support Trump's ICE deportation raids

The Politico / Morning Consult poll shows 51 per cent support for mass deportation raids
ICE began deportation raids touted by Trump on Sunday although without clear indications of any large-scale action
Trump declared them 'very successful'
Among Democrats, the raids were supported by 29 per cent

https://mol.im/a/7257125 (https://mol.im/a/7257125)

Trump THANKS Ocasio-Cortez for boosting approval rating to 50 per cent in his favorite poll as he hat-tips 'vicious young Socialist congresswomen' and declares: 'America will never buy your act!'

President Donald Trump attributed a boost in his approval rating to the 'squad' of four progressive congresswomen
Rasmussen Reports' daily presidential tracking poll showed Trump reached 50 per cent approval on Wednesday, up 4 per cent from Monday
'Thank you to the vicious young Socialist Congresswomen. America will never buy your act!' Trump tweeted Wednesday in reference to the rating
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib and Ayanna Pressley have been in a more obvious war of words with the president lately
Over the weekend, Trump tweeted that the four minority women should return to their home countries and fix issues there then come work in American politics
Of the four, only Omar was born outside of the U.S. – she is a Somali-American immigrant who became a citizen when she was 17
They held a press conference Monday to condemn the president's comments and call for his impeachment
Trump saw a boost in approval following the press conference

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7257259/Trump-THANKS-AOC-boosting-approval-rating-hat-tip-vicious-young-Socialist-congresswomen.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7257259/Trump-THANKS-AOC-boosting-approval-rating-hat-tip-vicious-young-Socialist-congresswomen.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 17, 2019, 03:00:50 PM
This guy is unbelievable. He can’t answer if Melania should go back where she came from.

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 17, 2019, 03:03:59 PM
Sure, if she wants to, but given that she loves this country, I don’t think she will go.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 17, 2019, 03:06:22 PM
Sure, if she wants to, but given that she loves this country, I don’t think she will go.

Campaign rally: get her out of here. I’ll pay for your legal fees if anything happens to you, but in reality I never do. *potential excuses of not paying legal fee: your problem not mine, I never signed a contract, I was simply just joking

Sounds familiar?

Make LB great again! (Let’s go)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 17, 2019, 08:29:22 PM
So looks like “send her back “ is the new chant after “lock her up “ 3 years ago at these racist trump rallies

When are the good citizens of Costa Mesa driving 20 feet high monster trucks inviting trump over here :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 17, 2019, 10:51:42 PM
Even Friedman is realizing it...run into the light!!

‘Trump’s Going to Get Re-elected, Isn’t He?’

I’m struck at how many people have come up to me recently and said, “Trump’s going to get re-elected, isn’t he?” And in each case, when I drilled down to ask why, I bumped into the Democratic presidential debates in June. I think a lot of Americans were shocked by some of the things they heard there. I was.

I was shocked that so many candidates in the party whose nominee I was planning to support want to get rid of the private health insurance covering some 250 million Americans and have “Medicare for all” instead. I think we should strengthen Obamacare and eventually add a public option.

I was shocked that so many were ready to decriminalize illegal entry into our country. I think people should have to ring the doorbell before they enter my house or my country.

I was shocked at all those hands raised in support of providing comprehensive health coverage to undocumented immigrants. I think promises we’ve made to our fellow Americans should take priority, like to veterans in need of better health care.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/opinion/trump-2020.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/opinion/trump-2020.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 17, 2019, 11:46:55 PM
The alt right guy from LB strikes again.

Even Friedman is realizing it...run into the light!!

‘Trump’s Going to Get Re-elected, Isn’t He?’

I’m struck at how many people have come up to me recently and said, “Trump’s going to get re-elected, isn’t he?” And in each case, when I drilled down to ask why, I bumped into the Democratic presidential debates in June. I think a lot of Americans were shocked by some of the things they heard there. I was.

I was shocked that so many candidates in the party whose nominee I was planning to support want to get rid of the private health insurance covering some 250 million Americans and have “Medicare for all” instead. I think we should strengthen Obamacare and eventually add a public option.

I was shocked that so many were ready to decriminalize illegal entry into our country. I think people should have to ring the doorbell before they enter my house or my country.

I was shocked at all those hands raised in support of providing comprehensive health coverage to undocumented immigrants. I think promises we’ve made to our fellow Americans should take priority, like to veterans in need of better health care.

  • https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2019/07/17/trumps_going_to_get_re-elected_isnt_he_480513.html
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 17, 2019, 11:59:40 PM
No, that was the alt right New York Times.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 18, 2019, 12:20:21 AM
No, that was the alt right New York Times.

Bs it’s like a leaning right or something website the link that you gave.

@fortune take a look at that website he gave. One of the main banner is purple. I guess now we know.

Go and help make LB great again.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 18, 2019, 12:52:11 AM
Again you don’t get it. You don’t help the reader at all with financial info and you suppose to be an expert in that field?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 18, 2019, 04:36:39 AM
So looks like “send her back “ is the new chant after “lock her up “ 3 years ago at these racist trump rallies

When are the good citizens of Costa Mesa driving 20 feet high monster trucks inviting trump over here :)

If you see the "Send her back" chant video from the Trump rally —  it's more horrific than you could have imagined.

There's a young girl who looks to be 12, chanting zombie-like with the rest of the crowd, taught to hate by the president of the United States

But , but tax cut ... but but .. Supreme Court but but ...
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 18, 2019, 04:50:55 AM
USA Today poll:

68% believe Trump’s tweets were offensive
59% believe Trump’s tweets are “un-American”
65% believe what Trump said is racist, including a plurality of Republicans (45-34%)

That 34 percent of Republicans is a well represented cohort on this forum — maybe this forum is indeed an alt right hotbed at least as far as the political discussions go.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 18, 2019, 06:16:28 AM
if you're still not convinced this is a winning move for trump, read on!  thank you jake, very cool!

Quote
House Democrats appeared unified in their votes this week but I've spent the day talking to a bunch of them and many are extremely frustrated.  All agree POTUS's tweets needed to be condemned; they spoke under condition of anonymity so they could be candid. (Thread)

2/ "The president won this one," said House Dem 1 of the Trump v Squad (AOC, Tlaib, Omar & Pressley) showdown. "What the president has done is politically brilliant. Pelosi was trying to marginalize these folks and the president has now identified the entire party with them."

3/ Another issue: what are Dems focused on? Is it what will help the class of 2018 (largely more moderate than the Squad) get reelected?

Dem Rep 2: "The president's words and actions speak for themselves. We need to focus on the issues that got them here: jobs, health care..."

4/ "...instead of the issues the president brings up deliberately. Anything that takes away from bread and butter issues is playing into his hands."

5/ Other House Democrats are conflicted about having to defend the Squad given things they've said and done. House Dems cited: talk of supporting challengers to incumbent Dems in primaries, AOC's use of the term "concentration camps," anti-Semitic comments by Tlaib & Omar.

6/ This perceived selective outrage rankled some Dems.

"Everybody was completely outraged by what the president said," said House Dem 3, "and everybody thought it was appropriate to criticize him...

7/  "...but this was the *first* time the House has taken action to criticize him in any way, We couldn't even bring ourselves to have a resolution exclusively condemning anti-Semitism uttered by one of those members" -- Omar -- "but we leapt to their defense here."


8/ A few House Dems noted that Omar and Tlaib just introduced a resolution affirming the right of Americans to boycott, perceived as an expression of support for the anti-Israel BDS (boycott, divest, and sanction) movement that most House Dems oppose.

9/ "So we'll hear a tirade of attacks on Israel from the same group," said House Dem 3. "Hopefully they won't be anti Semitic."

House Dem 4 also brought up that bill coming "from someone with a history of anti-Semitism" -- Omar -- "So yeah it’s challenging."

10/  House Dem 4 recalls that "less than 2 weeks ago when members of our caucus were trying to support funds for children at the border," the Squad was arguing that "we're pro-putting kids in cages, we're against human rights. So there’s frustration."

11/ Others noted that this week the House Democratic Caucus stood by a group that is not perceived as standing by them.

"I can't tell you the number of Members who are angry and annoyed about them criticizing us," said House Dem 3.

12/ AOC, in particular "gives her chief of staff license to get candidates to run against her colleagues and to go after them on social media. It makes people's skin crawl," said House Dem 3.

House Dem 4 summed it up: "We were there for them; they should stop attacking us."

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1151607134905389056 (https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1151607134905389056)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 18, 2019, 06:38:17 AM
Libertarians here is your guy —

Rand Paul , voting against aid package for 9/11 first responders, because of increase in national debt ??

But he had no problem voting for billions in tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations,

Can we have trump reimburse the 340 million we have spent on his golf vacations?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 18, 2019, 07:43:45 AM
No, that was the alt right New York Times.

Bs it’s like a leaning right or something website the link that you gave.

@fortune take a look at that website he gave. One of the main banner is purple. I guess now we know.

Go and help make LB great again.

Eye, Thomas Freedman  has been a staff writer for the New York times for almost 38 years, he is a well known Trump hater which makes his admission so noteworthy. So sorry, I corrected the link to go directly to the New York Times website so you can read the whole article.

Thomas L. Friedman became the paper’s foreign affairs Op-Ed columnist in 1995. He joined the paper in 1981, after which he served as the Beirut bureau chief in 1982, Jerusalem bureau chief in 1984, and then in Washington as the diplomatic correspondent in 1989, and later the White House correspondent and economic correspondent.

Mr. Friedman was awarded the 1983 Pulitzer Prize for international reporting (from Lebanon) and the 1988 Pulitzer Prize for international reporting (from Israel). He also won the 2002 Pulitzer Prize for commentary.

Mr. Friedman is the author of “From Beirut to Jerusalem,” which won the National Book Award in 1989. He has written several other books, including “Hot, Flat and Crowded,” an international best seller.

Born in Minneapolis, Mr. Friedman received a B.A. degree in Mediterranean studies from Brandeis University in 1975. In 1978 he received a master’s in modern Middle East studies from Oxford. His column appears every Sunday and Wednesday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/opinion/trump-2020.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/opinion/trump-2020.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 18, 2019, 08:14:22 AM
What did I tell you guys ?  Fall in line, or else ...

Lindsay Graham on CNN --  " If you're a Somali refugee wearing a MAGA cap, [Trump] doesnt want to send you back ... it is about the criticism "
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 18, 2019, 08:51:59 AM

According to Wikipedia, you made another false statement. Come on Morekas, you are dealing with a genius.

Patrick Stack of Time magazine has described the site's commentary section as "right-leaning".[16] The site has been described as being run by conservatives, and containing "opinion pieces from multiple media sources".[17] In 2009 RealClearPolitics was described as a weblog "in the conservative pantheon" by Richard Davis.[18][19]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealClearPolitics




No, that was the alt right New York Times.

Bs it’s like a leaning right or something website the link that you gave.

@fortune take a look at that website he gave. One of the main banner is purple. I guess now we know.

Go and help make LB great again.

Eye, Thomas Freedman  has been a staff writer for the New York times for almost 38 years, he is a well known Trump hater which makes his admission so noteworthy. So sorry, I corrected the link to go directly to the New York Times website so you can read the whole article.

Thomas L. Friedman became the paper’s foreign affairs Op-Ed columnist in 1995. He joined the paper in 1981, after which he served as the Beirut bureau chief in 1982, Jerusalem bureau chief in 1984, and then in Washington as the diplomatic correspondent in 1989, and later the White House correspondent and economic correspondent.

Mr. Friedman was awarded the 1983 Pulitzer Prize for international reporting (from Lebanon) and the 1988 Pulitzer Prize for international reporting (from Israel). He also won the 2002 Pulitzer Prize for commentary.

Mr. Friedman is the author of “From Beirut to Jerusalem,” which won the National Book Award in 1989. He has written several other books, including “Hot, Flat and Crowded,” an international best seller.

Born in Minneapolis, Mr. Friedman received a B.A. degree in Mediterranean studies from Brandeis University in 1975. In 1978 he received a master’s in modern Middle East studies from Oxford. His column appears every Sunday and Wednesday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/opinion/trump-2020.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/opinion/trump-2020.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 18, 2019, 09:18:04 AM

According to Wikipedia, you made another false statement. Come on Morekas, you are dealing with a genius.

Patrick Stack of Time magazine has described the site's commentary section as "right-leaning".[16] The site has been described as being run by conservatives, and containing "opinion pieces from multiple media sources".[17] In 2009 RealClearPolitics was described as a weblog "in the conservative pantheon" by Richard Davis.[18][19]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealClearPolitics




No, that was the alt right New York Times.

Bs it’s like a leaning right or something website the link that you gave.

@fortune take a look at that website he gave. One of the main banner is purple. I guess now we know.

Go and help make LB great again.

Eye, Thomas Freedman  has been a staff writer for the New York times for almost 38 years, he is a well known Trump hater which makes his admission so noteworthy. So sorry, I corrected the link to go directly to the New York Times website so you can read the whole article.

Thomas L. Friedman became the paper’s foreign affairs Op-Ed columnist in 1995. He joined the paper in 1981, after which he served as the Beirut bureau chief in 1982, Jerusalem bureau chief in 1984, and then in Washington as the diplomatic correspondent in 1989, and later the White House correspondent and economic correspondent.

Mr. Friedman was awarded the 1983 Pulitzer Prize for international reporting (from Lebanon) and the 1988 Pulitzer Prize for international reporting (from Israel). He also won the 2002 Pulitzer Prize for commentary.

Mr. Friedman is the author of “From Beirut to Jerusalem,” which won the National Book Award in 1989. He has written several other books, including “Hot, Flat and Crowded,” an international best seller.

Born in Minneapolis, Mr. Friedman received a B.A. degree in Mediterranean studies from Brandeis University in 1975. In 1978 he received a master’s in modern Middle East studies from Oxford. His column appears every Sunday and Wednesday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/opinion/trump-2020.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/opinion/trump-2020.html)

Then it shouldn't take a genius to see that the source article quoted is printed by the New York Times staff writer Thomas Freedman who i even referred to in my comment.  Who cares about the conglomerate website that was erroneously linked and corrected?  Has nothing to do with the article itself...from the New York Times!!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 18, 2019, 09:23:12 AM
I was taking about the website. The fact is that you are copying crap over from that website. This guy thinks he’s slick. Step up your game.

#washedup
#2old2understand
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 18, 2019, 09:25:51 AM
Who cares about the website?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 18, 2019, 10:06:29 AM
I was taking about the website. The fact is that you are copying crap over from that website. This guy thinks he’s slick. Step up your game.

#washedup
#2old2understand

don't tell him that , or he will up his game by increasing the already garish purple font size

oops , personally attacked the  resident sacred cow on this forum .  i better shush ... :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Compressed-Village on July 18, 2019, 10:45:54 AM
I was taking about the website. The fact is that you are copying crap over from that website. This guy thinks he’s slick. Step up your game.

#washedup
#2old2understand

don't tell him that , or he will up his game by increasing the already garish purple font size

oops , personally attacked the  resident sacred cow on this forum .  i better shush ... :)

I disagree, your voice bring sanity to the insane environments from the Trumpsters and Trump himself.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 18, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Who cares about the website?

it's far easier to attack a website that they deem as not credible, than to actually respond to the substance at hand  ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 18, 2019, 11:06:13 AM
Thats obvious but i was under the impression that i was dealing with a genius?  Didn't think i needed to point that out.  My mistake, and i even apologized for the oversight and corrected it but it reminded me of something I always told my kids...Never use the statement "I am not stupid", when arguing...it coveys just the opposite when you feel the need to state something about yourself to your opponent.  Let them come to that conclusion themselves.

https://youtu.be/STeVTzWelns

https://youtu.be/STeVTzWelns (https://youtu.be/STeVTzWelns)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 18, 2019, 11:31:15 AM
Just keep copying and pasting from a right wing website.

Don’t take your LB rage and take it on me. Don’t forget to take your meds or something.


Thats obvious but i was under the impression that i was dealing with a genius?  Didn't think i needed to point that out.  My mistake, and i even apologized for the oversight and corrected it but it reminded me of something I always told my kids...Never use the statement "I am not stupid", when arguing...it coveys just the opposite when you feel the need to state something about yourself to your opponent.  Let them come to that conclusion themselves.

https://youtu.be/STeVTzWelns

https://youtu.be/STeVTzWelns (https://youtu.be/STeVTzWelns)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 18, 2019, 11:34:08 AM
When someone calls him out where he gets his info. He tries to maneuver out of it.

Trust me your no financial guru.

For Personal and business financial I recommend to go with Fidelity they know what they are doing. (Sorry to say not with More)

Don’t forget about Robinhood.  ;)
Trades for freeeeee
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 18, 2019, 11:43:10 AM
I agree, most of you should go to Fidelity, But if your best defense is a conglomeration site that is routinely used by MSNBC and Huffpost is right wing because a guy from Time Magazine said so...ok. and if you think NYTimes is a alt right publication you really are Wile E Coyote...super genius. 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 18, 2019, 11:44:24 AM
When someone calls him out where he gets his info. He tries to maneuver out of it.

Trust me your no financial guru.

For Personal and business financial I recommend to go with Fidelity they know what they are doing. (Sorry to say not with More)

Don’t forget about Robinhood.  ;)
Trades for freeeeee

robinhood is great for you guys with 4 and 5 figure accounts....don't think morekaos or any financial advisor cares about you little fish anyway  ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 18, 2019, 11:59:23 AM
When someone calls him out where he gets his info. He tries to maneuver out of it.

Trust me your no financial guru.

For Personal and business financial I recommend to go with Fidelity they know what they are doing. (Sorry to say not with More)

Don’t forget about Robinhood.  ;)
Trades for freeeeee

robinhood is great for you guys with 4 and 5 figure accounts....don't think morekaos or any financial advisor cares about you little fish anyway  ;)

Wait - just in the other thread you were rooting for the little guys who can buy cheaper homes because thanks to trumps genius , the FCBs have fled the market ?

What happened to the “ little family friendly kings “?

I guess you really are a jack anyways !

:)

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 18, 2019, 12:02:39 PM
When someone calls him out where he gets his info. He tries to maneuver out of it.

Trust me your no financial guru.

For Personal and business financial I recommend to go with Fidelity they know what they are doing. (Sorry to say not with More)

Don’t forget about Robinhood.  ;)
Trades for freeeeee

robinhood is great for you guys with 4 and 5 figure accounts....don't think morekaos or any financial advisor cares about you little fish anyway  ;)

Wait - just in the other thread you were rooting for the little guys who can buy cheaper homes because thanks to trumps genius , the FCBs have fled the market ?

What happened to the “ little family friendly kings “?

I guess you really are a jack anyways !

:)
great comparison - morekaos should take on 4 and 5 figure accounts because of my post in the other thread! maybe you are the genius  ;)

aren't you on vacation?  are you being a little keyboard warrior down by the pool right now?  ;D
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 18, 2019, 12:34:15 PM
Seriously, I just got back from 3 weeks in Avalon, you may have noticed my traffic dropped off late June through the 4rth of July.  I tried to stay off the net as much as I could...have another Margarita for me and enjoy your time away!!!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 18, 2019, 12:46:16 PM
Seriously, I just got back from 3 weeks in Avalon, you may have noticed my traffic dropped off late June through the 4rth of July.  I tried to stay off the net as much as I could...have another Margarita for me and enjoy your time away!!!
Kick back. Big time in Catalina?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 18, 2019, 12:57:46 PM
Seriously, I just got back from 3 weeks in Avalon, you may have noticed my traffic dropped off late June through the 4rth of July.  I tried to stay off the net as much as I could...have another Margarita for me and enjoy your time away!!!
Kick back. Big time in Catalina?

100%, leave the boat on mooring for 3-4 weeks and my family lives out there.  I either work offsite but commute back and forth.  So nice.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 19, 2019, 09:19:00 AM
Okay.

I don't think I can remember a president who singles out certain people to have them booed at. That is crazy. Is that charisma?

What's so funny is when he is calling out their names, when Trump gets to "Pressley", the crowd isn't sure who that is and doesn't boo as loudly. Could it be because the name doesn't sound ethnic enough for them? What is the spin on that type of behavior? Trump really comes off as a bully with his antics.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 19, 2019, 09:27:06 AM
Okay.

I don't think I can remember a president who singles out certain people to have them booed at. That is crazy. Is that charisma?

What's so funny is when he is calling out their names, when Trump gets to "Pressley", the crowd isn't sure who that is and doesn't boo as loudly. Could it be because the name doesn't sound ethnic enough for them? What is the spin on that type of behavior? Trump really comes off as a bully with his antics.

Should Melania be sent back? (using Trump’s new slogan)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 19, 2019, 09:57:17 AM
Okay.

I don't think I can remember a president who singles out certain people to have them booed at. That is crazy. Is that charisma?

What's so funny is when he is calling out their names, when Trump gets to "Pressley", the crowd isn't sure who that is and doesn't boo as loudly. Could it be because the name doesn't sound ethnic enough for them? What is the spin on that type of behavior? Trump really comes off as a bully with his antics.

He did it with Hillary...he is looking to do the same in 2020, just looking for his target.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 19, 2019, 11:35:04 AM
Okay.

I don't think I can remember a president who singles out certain people to have them booed at. That is crazy. Is that charisma?

What's so funny is when he is calling out their names, when Trump gets to "Pressley", the crowd isn't sure who that is and doesn't boo as loudly. Could it be because the name doesn't sound ethnic enough for them? What is the spin on that type of behavior? Trump really comes off as a bully with his antics.

He did it with Hillary...he is looking to do the same in 2020, just looking for his target.

there is "fine people" on both sides of whether or not to send her back 

this would be the all-aloof , high and mighty , above the fray,  centrist point of view  :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 19, 2019, 11:44:00 AM
Okay.

I don't think I can remember a president who singles out certain people to have them booed at. That is crazy. Is that charisma?

What's so funny is when he is calling out their names, when Trump gets to "Pressley", the crowd isn't sure who that is and doesn't boo as loudly. Could it be because the name doesn't sound ethnic enough for them? What is the spin on that type of behavior? Trump really comes off as a bully with his antics.

He did it with Hillary...he is looking to do the same in 2020, just looking for his target.

there is "fine people" on both sides of whether or not to send her back 

this would be the all-aloof , high and mighty , above the fray,  centrist point of view  :)

 :D
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 19, 2019, 12:27:55 PM
i'm personally not a fan of the "send her back" chants

they should have been saying "throw her out" since "send her back" implies we need to pay for her transportation!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 19, 2019, 12:57:25 PM
i'm personally not a fan of the "send her back" chants

they should have been saying "throw her out" since "send her back" implies we need to pay for her transportation!

I wouldn't be surprised if those browsing around TI for the real estate stuff get turned off by these racists lurking here

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 19, 2019, 01:08:38 PM
Yes yes, everybody is a racist and everything is racial.  Lets now only point out those that are not racist since they are the minority in the world, the real unicorns. Or better yet everyone should be racist...then no one will be. This racist thing is getting old, it is losing its punch when used to shame everyone who doesn't agree with you into shutting up and getting in line, comrade.  Racist used to be a real horrible, extreme label to call someone, now it gets thrown around like a used rag.

It is still a horrible and extreme label to call someone...it's just that Trumpsters take it as a badge of courage and view classic racists remarks as totally okay.  Trumpsters love Trump because he says what they have always thought but was social prohibited from saying.

The bar is so low for Trump and Trumpsters that nothing matters except they get to feel victimized and attack anyone they want however they want. 

It's fine, you already said that you don't care if Trump is racist so I don't expect you to care or understand.


This is exactly what I was getting at.  By overusing the term it has lost its impact...and meaning.

Media cried wolf: Calling every Republican a racist lost its bite

Once upon a time in the world of cable news, a guest or host or anchor calling anyone a racist would have considerable impact.

From what we've seen this week, when it comes to that word, those days are long gone. A person simply can't turn on the news or scroll Twitterfor even more than a minute before hearing the word "racist" or "racism."

For example, CNN and MSNBC said the word "racist" more than 1,100 times from Sunday to Tuesday, according to a tally conducted by Grabien Media, an online media production and news prep service.

Now we're seeing it again — and again, and again. Thousands of times in the past week we've heard or read to the word "racist" or have seen it blatantly implied.

Call it, "The Media That Cried Wolf."

And we all know what happened to the boy who cried wolf too often: People stopped listening. 

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/453892-media-cried-wolf-calling-every-republican-a-racist-lost-its-bite (https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/453892-media-cried-wolf-calling-every-republican-a-racist-lost-its-bite)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: fortune11 on July 19, 2019, 01:49:46 PM
no, that simply means you now have the permission slip to be an actual racist without really worrying about being called a racist ... this is called immunization
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 19, 2019, 01:59:45 PM
That’s it, keep expanding the definition, soon everyone will be a racist..then no one will be.

https://youtu.be/GYmHYQPaHaw

https://youtu.be/GYmHYQPaHaw (https://youtu.be/GYmHYQPaHaw)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 19, 2019, 02:07:39 PM
i'm personally not a fan of the "send her back" chants

If Trump was smart, he would have quieted the crowd and told them not to chant "send her back". Instead, he encouraged it.

That's *NOT* charisma.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 19, 2019, 02:11:12 PM
The funniest part of this is that it’s completely wiped the dem candidates off the map. Who are they running again? The four horseman (Smith) have sucked all the air out of the room and they aren’t even running.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 19, 2019, 02:15:55 PM
We got it under control. Maybe we don’t have to say anything.

Another Trump initiative is to free ASAP Rookie (uh ok). Who is that guy?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 19, 2019, 02:26:35 PM
We got it under control. Maybe we don’t have to say anything.

Another Trump initiative is to free ASAP Rookie (uh ok). Who is that guy?

So I just looked it up. He is a rapper. So the story is he’s like in a Swedish jail or something. The story gets better. “Kim Kardashian, Kanye West Call On Trump To Help Free A$AP Rocky.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d31cf5ae4b0419fd32c108a/amp

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 19, 2019, 03:02:08 PM
why would they ask trump to free him when everyone knows he's a racist?  :o
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 19, 2019, 03:05:58 PM
why would they ask trump to free him when everyone knows he's a racist?  :o

Come on. It’s Kim and Kanye connection.  ;)

Like I previously said. We don’t have to do anything and we can just laugh! 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 21, 2019, 07:42:05 PM
why would they ask trump to free him when everyone knows he's a racist?  :o

Come on. It’s Kim and Kanye connection.  ;)

Like I previously said. We don’t have to do anything and we can just laugh!

FoxNews Article: Justin Bieber calls out Trump for helping A$AP Rocky but not letting 'kids out of cages'

Justin Bieber called out President Donald Trump for helping to free rapper A$AP Rocky from prison in Sweden but seeming to care much less for children being detained at the border.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/justin-bieber-donald-trump-asap-rocky-immigration-kids-cages
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 22, 2019, 05:47:51 AM
just your 2020 dem nominee sucking face with a young girl on stage this weekend!

(https://i.imgur.com/9CL4Oe7.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 22, 2019, 07:11:48 AM
I understand that's his granddaughter but it is "creepy" to me.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 07:22:51 AM
why would they ask trump to free him when everyone knows he's a racist?  :o

Come on. It’s Kim and Kanye connection.  ;)

Like I previously said. We don’t have to do anything and we can just laugh!

FoxNews Article: Justin Bieber calls out Trump for helping A$AP Rocky but not letting 'kids out of cages'

Justin Bieber called out President Donald Trump for helping to free rapper A$AP Rocky from prison in Sweden but seeming to care much less for children being detained at the border.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/justin-bieber-donald-trump-asap-rocky-immigration-kids-cages

Twitter followers as of 7/22/19:
Justin Bieber 106 million
Donald Trump 62.1 million

YouTube subscribers as of 7/22/19:
Justin Bieber 45,899,481

#SocialMediaStats
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 22, 2019, 07:33:58 AM
No comment on Joe Biden?

Or is he not the secret weapon candidate that will take the election in 2020?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 07:40:26 AM
No comment on Joe Biden?

Or is he not the secret weapon candidate that will take the election in 2020?

I don’t know. There is a process and let’s see what happens. You didn’t make a comment regarding Justin’s comment to Trump. I thought Christians should care about people.

You started this with single me out with a Bible verse (High standard) and no one else on TI. Totally unfair
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 22, 2019, 08:24:27 AM
No comment on Joe Biden?

Or is he not the secret weapon candidate that will take the election in 2020?

I don’t know. There is a process and let’s see what happens. You didn’t make a comment regarding Justin’s comment to Trump. I thought Christians should care about people.

I don't know anything about the Justin Bieber topic so I don't have anything to say about it. I don't agree with how the Trump is dealing with immigrants but I think I've said that before, not sure why I should say it again.

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You started this with single me out with a Bible verse (High standard) and no one else on TI. Totally unfair

Whoah... easy. You're the one who started talking about yourself. If you want to be boastful, that's on you, not me.

But we're digressing, this thread isn't about any of us TI members, it's about who we are going to vote on next year.

I find it interesting that there is not a lot of commentary on Biden from the left here (except from IC). But that's how it is, both sides will only prop up the good but ignore the bad. Does Kings or morekaos agree with Trump's antics last week regarding the congresswomen? Trump said that he didn't agree with the chants and that he "quickly" started speaking again... if you call a 13 second pause as the chants grew louder "quick".

On the other side, that Joe Biden kiss thing was weird. If he is the leading candidate, I would be worried. He already knows he's being tagged as "creepy", wouldn't he try to avoid situations that fuels that? And while we all know it's nothing, the optics and social media make it look bad.

The way things are shaping up, this is going to be a lesser of two evils election again.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 08:33:02 AM
I was getting coffee this morning and I saw people hugging and give a kiss cheek to cheek. It’s a culture or family bonding or simply friends. It is not up to me to judge a person or interfere with their culture.

Let me ask you this. Do you hug your kid?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 08:43:02 AM
I can play your game. So would you say giving a hug or kiss is the same as having an affair?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 08:45:55 AM
No comment on Joe Biden?

Or is he not the secret weapon candidate that will take the election in 2020?

I don’t know. There is a process and let’s see what happens. You didn’t make a comment regarding Justin’s comment to Trump. I thought Christians should care about people.

I don't know anything about the Justin Bieber topic so I don't have anything to say about it. I don't agree with how the Trump is dealing with immigrants but I think I've said that before, not sure why I should say it again.

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You started this with single me out with a Bible verse (High standard) and no one else on TI. Totally unfair

Whoah... easy. You're the one who started talking about yourself. If you want to be boastful, that's on you, not me.

But we're digressing, this thread isn't about any of us TI members, it's about who we are going to vote on next year.

I find it interesting that there is not a lot of commentary on Biden from the left here (except from IC). But that's how it is, both sides will only prop up the good but ignore the bad. Does Kings or morekaos agree with Trump's antics last week regarding the congresswomen? Trump said that he didn't agree with the chants and that he "quickly" started speaking again... if you call a 13 second pause as the chants grew louder "quick".

On the other side, that Joe Biden kiss thing was weird. If he is the leading candidate, I would be worried. He already knows he's being tagged as "creepy", wouldn't he try to avoid situations that fuels that? And while we all know it's nothing, the optics and social media make it look bad.

The way things are shaping up, this is going to be a lesser of two evils election again.

I’m not boastful. Maybe you should go on a diet. You should think twice before you address me or maybe three times.
I will not hold back with you anymore.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 22, 2019, 09:05:57 AM
I was getting coffee this morning and I saw people hugging and give a kiss cheek to cheek. It’s a culture or family bonding or simply friends. It is not up to me to judge a person or interfere with their culture.

Let me ask you this. Do you hug your kid?
As I said, we know it's nothing, but the the optics are questionable and that's now how the opposition will paint it, especially considering Biden's past allegations.

I can play your game. So would you say giving a hug or kiss is the same as having an affair?

This is not my game, and I did not say he was having an affair.

However, if a someone has been accused of inappropriate conduct with women (just like Trump), wouldn't it be better to just avoid that type of situation? I remember how big a deal people made with Trump was commenting on his daughter (that was cringy too).
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 09:09:43 AM
I was getting coffee this morning and I saw people hugging and give a kiss cheek to cheek. It’s a culture or family bonding or simply friends. It is not up to me to judge a person or interfere with their culture.

Let me ask you this. Do you hug your kid?
As I said, we know it's nothing, but the the optics are questionable and that's now how the opposition will paint it, especially considering Biden's past allegations.

I can play your game. So would you say giving a hug or kiss is the same as having an affair?

This is not my game, and I did not say he was having an affair.

However, if a someone has been accused of inappropriate conduct with women (just like Trump), wouldn't it be better to just avoid that type of situation? I remember how big a deal people made with Trump was commenting on his daughter (that was cringy too).

But do you hug your kid(s)?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 22, 2019, 09:13:19 AM
I’m not boastful. Maybe you should go on a diet. You should think twice before you address me or maybe three times.
I will not hold back with you anymore.

I apologize if you were offended by my Bible quote. Just trying to give you some good advice about tooting your own horn.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 22, 2019, 09:15:18 AM
I was getting coffee this morning and I saw people hugging and give a kiss cheek to cheek. It’s a culture or family bonding or simply friends. It is not up to me to judge a person or interfere with their culture.

Let me ask you this. Do you hug your kid?
As I said, we know it's nothing, but the the optics are questionable and that's now how the opposition will paint it, especially considering Biden's past allegations.

I can play your game. So would you say giving a hug or kiss is the same as having an affair?

This is not my game, and I did not say he was having an affair.

However, if a someone has been accused of inappropriate conduct with women (just like Trump), wouldn't it be better to just avoid that type of situation? I remember how big a deal people made with Trump was commenting on his daughter (that was cringy too).

But do you hug your kid(s)?

I don't kiss them on the mouth... privately or publicly. Do you?

And why are you so interested in what I do? We are talking about Joe Biden.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 09:16:53 AM
I’m not boastful. Maybe you should go on a diet. You should think twice before you address me or maybe three times.
I will not hold back with you anymore.

I apologize if you were offended by my Bible quote. Just trying to give you some good advice about tooting your own horn.

It’s called targeting and my hands are no longer tied behind my back. I will respond back with full force.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 09:18:17 AM
I was getting coffee this morning and I saw people hugging and give a kiss cheek to cheek. It’s a culture or family bonding or simply friends. It is not up to me to judge a person or interfere with their culture.

Let me ask you this. Do you hug your kid?
As I said, we know it's nothing, but the the optics are questionable and that's now how the opposition will paint it, especially considering Biden's past allegations.

I can play your game. So would you say giving a hug or kiss is the same as having an affair?

This is not my game, and I did not say he was having an affair.

However, if a someone has been accused of inappropriate conduct with women (just like Trump), wouldn't it be better to just avoid that type of situation? I remember how big a deal people made with Trump was commenting on his daughter (that was cringy too).

But do you hug your kid(s)?

I don't kiss them on the mouth... privately or publicly. Do you?

And why are you so interested in what I do? We are talking about Joe Biden.

Because you criticize others. When you hug your family members or others.

#doublestandard

Just like how you hold me up to the Bibile versus. (Man oh man)

So going forward, maybe you should stop people from giving hugs.

In business and other industries this happens all the time.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 22, 2019, 09:22:55 AM
I was getting coffee this morning and I saw people hugging and give a kiss cheek to cheek. It’s a culture or family bonding or simply friends. It is not up to me to judge a person or interfere with their culture.

Let me ask you this. Do you hug your kid?
As I said, we know it's nothing, but the the optics are questionable and that's now how the opposition will paint it, especially considering Biden's past allegations.

I can play your game. So would you say giving a hug or kiss is the same as having an affair?

This is not my game, and I did not say he was having an affair.

However, if a someone has been accused of inappropriate conduct with women (just like Trump), wouldn't it be better to just avoid that type of situation? I remember how big a deal people made with Trump was commenting on his daughter (that was cringy too).

But do you hug your kid(s)?

I don't kiss them on the mouth... privately or publicly. Do you?

And why are you so interested in what I do? We are talking about Joe Biden.

Because you criticize others. When you hug your family members or others.

Wow... please read better.

I know that it could be some family custom but I am saying that the optics are bad considering Biden's past allegations.

So are you okay with Biden doing that? Would you kiss your granddaughter on the lips? Why don't you answer my questions?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 09:28:09 AM
I was getting coffee this morning and I saw people hugging and give a kiss cheek to cheek. It’s a culture or family bonding or simply friends. It is not up to me to judge a person or interfere with their culture.

Let me ask you this. Do you hug your kid?
As I said, we know it's nothing, but the the optics are questionable and that's now how the opposition will paint it, especially considering Biden's past allegations.

I can play your game. So would you say giving a hug or kiss is the same as having an affair?

This is not my game, and I did not say he was having an affair.

However, if a someone has been accused of inappropriate conduct with women (just like Trump), wouldn't it be better to just avoid that type of situation? I remember how big a deal people made with Trump was commenting on his daughter (that was cringy too).

But do you hug your kid(s)?

I don't kiss them on the mouth... privately or publicly. Do you?

And why are you so interested in what I do? We are talking about Joe Biden.

Because you criticize others. When you hug your family members or others.

Wow... please read better.

I know that it could be some family custom but I am saying that the optics are bad considering Biden's past allegations.

So are you okay with Biden doing that? Would you kiss your granddaughter on the lips? Why don't you answer my questions?

I already answered your question. I said it’s a culture thing.
I want to see you confront an Italian family gathering. Lol

Stay off the cheese!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 22, 2019, 09:31:50 AM
#doublestandard

Since you edited your reply.

Double standard doesn't apply here.

Hugging your kids in private is not the same as kissing your granddaughter for everyone to see in front of thousands and millions on television and the internet. When you are a candidate for the US presidency, the standard is not the same as everyone else, especially when you've been accused of inappropriate conduct with women.

Do you agree or disagree with that?

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Just like how you hold me up to the Bibile versus. (Man oh man)

The Bible is for everyone.

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So going forward, maybe you should stop people from giving hugs.

In business and other industries this happens all the time.


You hug your boss and co-workers? Do you kiss them on the lips?

Still avoiding my questions.

I already answered your question. I said it’s a culture thing.

So you know Biden's culture? And even if it is, is that appropriate for a public rally?

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I want to see you confront an Italian family gathering. Lol

Are you stereotyping again? Are you saying Italians kiss their granddaughters on the lips all the time?

Lol.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 09:33:07 AM
It does apply here. I honestly think there something wrong with you. Get back to work or enjoy retirement.

#doublestandard

Since you edited your reply.

Double standard doesn't apply here.

Hugging your kids in private is not the same as kissing your granddaughter for everyone to see in front of thousands and millions on television and the internet. When you are a candidate for the US presidency, the standard is not the same as everyone else, especially when you've been accused of inappropriate conduct with women.

Do you agree or disagree with that?

Quote
Just like how you hold me up to the Bibile versus. (Man oh man)

The Bible is for everyone.

Quote
So going forward, maybe you should stop people from giving hugs.

In business and other industries this happens all the time.


You hug your boss? Do you kiss him/her on the lips?

Still avoiding my questions.

I already answered your question. I said it’s a culture thing.

So you know Biden's culture? And even if it is, is that appropriate for a public rally?

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I want to see you confront an Italian family gathering. Lol

Are you stereotyping again? Are you saying Italians kiss their granddaughters on the lips all the time?

Lol.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 22, 2019, 09:39:55 AM
Maybe you should go on a diet.

Stay off the cheese!

It does apply here. Fatty

Nice edit. But I caught it before you could change it.

Sorry, your insults don't work.

Stay on topic.

So you're okay with Biden kissing his granddaughter in public like that?

Again, like you, I don't think it's a bid deal except for the fact that his opposition will use it.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 09:56:50 AM
I think a person is allowed to change their post.
This is what happens when you cross my path and don’t know what you are talking about. I can debate about solar and it’s a friendly discussion. But I find it interesting. You find away to attack me and I have to respond.

Maybe you should go on a diet.

Stay off the cheese!

It does apply here. Fatty

Nice edit. But I caught it before you could change it.

Sorry, your insults don't work.

Stay on topic.

So you're okay with Biden kissing his granddaughter in public like that?

Again, like you, I don't think it's a bid deal except for the fact that his opposition will use it.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 10:03:17 AM
But if you think a hug is a big deal, versus getting special from Trump due to lobbying from Kim and Kanye. I think it’s totally unfair.

If you get falsely accused and arrested no one would care. They would not back you up.

Another case of the little guy will get screwed.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 22, 2019, 10:06:59 AM
So does anyone else on the Dem side think the *optics* of the Biden thing is okay?

Again, I know it was innocuous, it just looked weird and didn't do his "creepy" reputation any favors.

IC? fortune11?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 22, 2019, 10:28:35 AM
i wish this was satire!  what's wrong bernie, getting a little taste of the real world?

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Bernie Sanders campaign announces it will cut hours to pay staffers $15 minimum wage, prompting mockery

Democrat presidential candidate Bernie Sanders announced this weekend he will cut staffers' hours so that they can effectively be paid a $15-an-hour minimum wage, prompting mockery from critics who say the move is more evidence that Sanders' plan to raise the national minimum wage is hypocritical and would only lead to less work and more unemployment.

The Washington Post first reported last Thursday that Sanders' field staffers were upset that Sanders championed a $15 minimum wage on the campaign trail, and made headlines for railing against major corporations who pay "starvation wages" -- even as his own employees made "poverty wages."

In response, Sanders told The Des Moines Register he was "very proud" to lead the first major presidential campaign with unionized workers, but also "bothered" that news of the internal strife had spilled into the media.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-announces-it-will-cut-hours-to-pay-staffers-15-minimum-wage-prompting-mockery (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-announces-it-will-cut-hours-to-pay-staffers-15-minimum-wage-prompting-mockery)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 10:30:59 AM
What’s the update? Are you gong to volunteer to make Lb great again?

A coastal community, but why isn’t the real estate value high?

i wish this was satire!  what's wrong bernie, getting a little taste of the real world?

Quote
Bernie Sanders campaign announces it will cut hours to pay staffers $15 minimum wage, prompting mockery

Democrat presidential candidate Bernie Sanders announced this weekend he will cut staffers' hours so that they can effectively be paid a $15-an-hour minimum wage, prompting mockery from critics who say the move is more evidence that Sanders' plan to raise the national minimum wage is hypocritical and would only lead to less work and more unemployment.

The Washington Post first reported last Thursday that Sanders' field staffers were upset that Sanders championed a $15 minimum wage on the campaign trail, and made headlines for railing against major corporations who pay "starvation wages" -- even as his own employees made "poverty wages."

In response, Sanders told The Des Moines Register he was "very proud" to lead the first major presidential campaign with unionized workers, but also "bothered" that news of the internal strife had spilled into the media.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-announces-it-will-cut-hours-to-pay-staffers-15-minimum-wage-prompting-mockery (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-announces-it-will-cut-hours-to-pay-staffers-15-minimum-wage-prompting-mockery)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 22, 2019, 10:32:50 AM
Maybe you should go on a diet.

Stay off the cheese!

It does apply here. Fatty

Nice edit. But I caught it before you could change it.

Sorry, your insults don't work.

Stay on topic.

So you're okay with Biden kissing his granddaughter in public like that?

Again, like you, I don't think it's a bid deal except for the fact that his opposition will use it.

can we make eyephone great again?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 10:34:21 AM
Maybe you should go on a diet.

Stay off the cheese!

It does apply here. Fatty

Nice edit. But I caught it before you could change it.

Sorry, your insults don't work.

Stay on topic.

So you're okay with Biden kissing his granddaughter in public like that?

Again, like you, I don't think it's a bid deal except for the fact that his opposition will use it.

can we make eyephone great again?

Ask your wife that
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 22, 2019, 10:47:36 AM
I don't think Bernie or Biden will cut it... enough of these older guys as president, I want to see a strong female candidate from the Dems.

Do Warren or Harris have a chance to become a front runner?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 22, 2019, 10:52:38 AM
Maybe you should go on a diet.

Stay off the cheese!

It does apply here. Fatty

Nice edit. But I caught it before you could change it.

Sorry, your insults don't work.

Stay on topic.

So you're okay with Biden kissing his granddaughter in public like that?

Again, like you, I don't think it's a bid deal except for the fact that his opposition will use it.

can we make eyephone great again?

Ask your wife that

she says no, no we can't  :(
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 22, 2019, 11:01:49 AM
I don't think Bernie or Biden will cut it... enough of these older guys as president, I want to see a strong female candidate from the Dems.

Do Warren or Harris have a chance to become a front runner?

i think pocohontas is trying way too hard and will fold like a paper straw against trump.  "i'm gonna get me a beer" is a perfect example with how fake and forced her personality is.  i'd love to know how many focus groups that idea went through before they decided to run that one.

kamala perhaps has a chance if biden's creepy antics are rejected.  she needs to keep going hard at the old man like she did last debate since it proved to be a winning strategy for her.  i'm still not convinced that the dnc doesn't already have it in the bag for biden, and if not, you can bet obama will come out at the final hour to push creepy joe to the finish line.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 22, 2019, 11:03:01 AM
I don't think Bernie or Biden will cut it... enough of these older guys as president, I want to see a strong female candidate from the Dems.

Do Warren or Harris have a chance to become a front runner?

None of them light a fire.  The dems have managed to paint themselves into a identity politics corner.  Whoever emerges from this existing field Trump will wipe the floors with them, and he'll use their own labeling against them...too old, too young, too white, not black enough, too privileged not gay enough, too socialist, not socialist enough,  and on and on.  Trump 2020, get ready.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 22, 2019, 11:08:11 AM
I don't think Bernie or Biden will cut it... enough of these older guys as president, I want to see a strong female candidate from the Dems.

Do Warren or Harris have a chance to become a front runner?

None of them light a fire.  The dems have managed to paint themselves into a identity politics corner.  Whoever emerges from this existing field Trump will wipe the floors with them, and he'll use their own labeling against them...too old, too young, too white, not black enough, too privileged not gay enough, too socialist, not socialist enough,  and on and on.  Trump 2020, get ready.

Just because it's purple doesn't make it true. :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 22, 2019, 11:17:19 AM
None of those labels i listed came from a Republican...all of them were democrats criticizing their own candidates.  There is no female, woman of color, blue collar but highly educated single mother, now lesbian but considering transitioning, CEO of jewish decent doctor with multi racial actor parents (one of which is Palestinian) from California but lives in New York after moving back from a few years in Paris where she had at least two abortions paid for by the government....cant seem to find that candidate.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 11:18:25 AM
I don't think Bernie or Biden will cut it... enough of these older guys as president, I want to see a strong female candidate from the Dems.

Do Warren or Harris have a chance to become a front runner?

None of them light a fire.  The dems have managed to paint themselves into a identity politics corner.  Whoever emerges from this existing field Trump will wipe the floors with them, and he'll use their own labeling against them...too old, too young, too white, not black enough, too privileged not gay enough, too socialist, not socialist enough,  and on and on.  Trump 2020, get ready.

Nothing but trash. Weak on natiaonl security, weak on drugs, and weak on crime.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 11:20:12 AM
Even the GOP house leader is against the statement go back to your country.

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 22, 2019, 11:23:45 AM
I don't think Bernie or Biden will cut it... enough of these older guys as president, I want to see a strong female candidate from the Dems.

Do Warren or Harris have a chance to become a front runner?

None of them light a fire.  The dems have managed to paint themselves into a identity politics corner.  Whoever emerges from this existing field Trump will wipe the floors with them, and he'll use their own labeling against them...too old, too young, too white, not black enough, too privileged not gay enough, too socialist, not socialist enough,  and on and on.  Trump 2020, get ready.

Nothing but trash. Weak on natiaonl security, weak on drugs, and weak on crime.

Curious Eye, who in that field of candidates do you feel is strong on those issues and you will support?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 22, 2019, 11:27:02 AM
None of those labels i listed came from a Republican...all of them were democrats criticizing their own candidates.  There is no female, woman of color, blue collar but highly educated single mother, now lesbian but considering transitioning, CEO of jewish decent doctor with multi racial actor parents (one of which is Palestinian) from California but lives in New York after moving back from a few years in Paris where she had at least two abortions paid for by the government....cant seem to find that candidate.

But I don't agree with "wiping the floors".

First, Trump is horrible during debates, at least in my opinion.

Second, to really wipe the floor, Trump has to win both the popular and electoral vote, and by a good margin... none of this "too close to call" stuff like in 2016.

Do you really see that happening?

I think it's going to be close no matter who the Dems put up just because people like me don't really like Trump... I guess I don't get his charisma.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 11:28:11 AM
So it’s okay for Trump to get out is the field of GOP canidates last primary. But when it comes to the Democrats to pick a candidate. They don’t have a chance to pick a canidate.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 22, 2019, 11:40:23 AM
Not at all, there were 17 repub candidates on that stage but they were not divided up according to color, gender, sexual preference, and so on like these dems are.  Lots of policy and fiscal differences but no socialist to capitalist fight.  I certainly had my horses in that race.  I'm asking which in this field appeals to you?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 22, 2019, 11:57:39 AM
Yes yes, everybody is a racist and everything is racial.  Lets now only point out those that are not racist since they are the minority in the world, the real unicorns. Or better yet everyone should be racist...then no one will be. This racist thing is getting old, it is losing its punch when used to shame everyone who doesn't agree with you into shutting up and getting in line, comrade.  Racist used to be a real horrible, extreme label to call someone, now it gets thrown around like a used rag.

Again, this reworking of the meaning implication and impact of the word racism only weakens the argument for real racism...cmon? a dog is racist?...

Liberals Have a Meltdown Over the Dog Ivanka Trump Gifted Her Daughter

"Aryan dog.  Anyone else notice?"

"Good thing it’s a white dog. Your dad hates the blacks ."

"Winter white...hmm figures, I guess the only color that keeps it out of a cage at the Trump household :-("

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2019/07/22/liberals-have-a-meltdown-over-the-dog-ivanka-trump-gifted-her-daughter-n2550383 (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2019/07/22/liberals-have-a-meltdown-over-the-dog-ivanka-trump-gifted-her-daughter-n2550383)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 11:58:06 AM
Not at all, there were 17 repub candidates on that stage but they were not divided up according to color, gender, sexual preference, and so on like these dems are.  Lots of policy and fiscal differences but no socialist to capitalist fight.  I certainly had my horses in that race.  I'm asking which in this field appeals to you?

1. I don’t know.
2. What’s your problem with color, gender or sexuality preference? (Your like always bashing them.)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 22, 2019, 12:01:13 PM
I have no problem with them, Dems though push the identity politics over a cliff.  It defines their candidates, not policy and issues.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 12:03:07 PM
I have no problem with them, Dems though push the identity politics over a cliff.  It defines their candidates, not policy and issues.

Yeah you do. You made fun of them in the snowflake thread. (Blacks, gays, and Latinos)
Your lucky QWERTY doesn’t care or didn’t see your post. Because you might meet BATamigo aka battman.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 22, 2019, 12:17:59 PM
Regardless of your assumptions about me, you have no preference yet in this vast field of candidates that address your concerned weakness of the present administration?  C'mon, I liked Rubio, Cruz, in fact a whole bunch of them at this point in the primary.  Who do you think stands a chance and accurately reflects your values and concerns?  You got 20 something to pick from, there has to be someone?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on July 22, 2019, 04:12:59 PM
i'm personally not a fan of the "send her back" chants

they should have been saying "throw her out" since "send her back" implies we need to pay for her transportation!

I wouldn't be surprised if those browsing around TI for the real estate stuff get turned off by these racists lurking here
Let's just say I used to have much higher opinions of many other TI posters when I only read real estate stuff.

It's amazing to see so many seemingly intelligent posters willing to put their blinders on in spite of Trump's racist BS. 

On the flip side, I think too many liberals pay too much attention to Trump. Everyone knows who he is already. No point to make it newsworthy every time he verifies that. Why get all hot and bothered? Just vote him out.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 04:22:23 PM
Regardless of your assumptions about me, you have no preference yet in this vast field of candidates that address your concerned weakness of the present administration?  C'mon, I liked Rubio, Cruz, in fact a whole bunch of them at this point in the primary.  Who do you think stands a chance and accurately reflects your values and concerns?  You got 20 something to pick from, there has to be someone?

We already know what you are. Thanks to me I called you out.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 22, 2019, 04:46:15 PM
As I have said many times, I could care less what anonymous posters think of me.  That is not the topic at hand. You are avoiding the question.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 04:59:00 PM
As I have said many times, I could care less what anonymous posters think of me.  That is not the topic at hand. You are avoiding the question.

I already said to IHo. I don’t know and let’s watch and see. (Trust the process)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 05:01:00 PM
I have no problem with them, Dems though push the identity politics over a cliff.  It defines their candidates, not policy and issues.

Yeah you do. You made fun of them in the snowflake thread. (Blacks, gays, and Latinos)
Your lucky QWERTY doesn’t care or didn’t see your post. Because you might meet BATamigo aka battman.

Btw: Did I mention he has a dog also? (like a trained K-9)

So keep taking Morekas
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 22, 2019, 05:20:45 PM
Who QWERTY? QWERTY doesn’t care.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on July 22, 2019, 05:31:57 PM
I have no problem with them, Dems though push the identity politics over a cliff.  It defines their candidates, not policy and issues.

Yeah you do. You made fun of them in the snowflake thread. (Blacks, gays, and Latinos)
Your lucky QWERTY doesn’t care or didn’t see your post. Because you might meet BATamigo aka battman.

Btw: Did I mention he has a dog also? (like a trained K-9)

So keep taking Morekas

Why would anyone be afraid of Qwerty? Qwerty seems like a very friendly person.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 05:45:29 PM
I have no problem with them, Dems though push the identity politics over a cliff.  It defines their candidates, not policy and issues.

Yeah you do. You made fun of them in the snowflake thread. (Blacks, gays, and Latinos)
Your lucky QWERTY doesn’t care or didn’t see your post. Because you might meet BATamigo aka battman.

Btw: Did I mention he has a dog also? (like a trained K-9)

So keep taking Morekas

Why would anyone be afraid of Qwerty? Qwerty seems like a very friendly person.
Nice guy. But don’t take it for granted. People are sick of Morekas bashing/making fun of different races including Latinos just like Starman did.

Starman’s profile:
qwerty:  Hey StarmanMBA, go fuck yourself.
(Thank you:  Burn That Belly, id_rather_be_racing, misme, eyephone, fortune11)



Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 05:46:20 PM
Who QWERTY? QWERTY doesn’t care.

He doesn’t care you make fun of Latinos. Fool your a clown.

Don’t forget to make Lb great again.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 05:49:41 PM
What are you thinking Morekas? Go take your meds.
Off the reservation and off the track. What can we do? This guy is lost.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 05:53:18 PM
Let’s be honest you have taken TI to a race base forum. We can all thank Morekas. I emailed the admin and nothing has happened. It’s really sad.

People use to go on TI to learn about the new development and new tech ideas. People are right this forum has turned to trash.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 22, 2019, 06:06:46 PM
You’re welcome >:D
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 22, 2019, 06:08:48 PM
You’re welcome >:D

But the truth came out. You live in LB.
(A joke)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 23, 2019, 07:09:13 AM
Aaaaand back on topic...

So even forum members from the left don't know who can challenge Hi-C Orange?

I guess Trump kind of came out of nowhere so maybe that will happen with a Dem nominee. Biden is currently the front runner but no one here seems to be putting their full support behind him.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: nosuchreality on July 23, 2019, 07:22:06 AM
Aaaaand back on topic...

So even forum members from the left don't know who can challenge Hi-C Orange?

I guess Trump kind of came out of nowhere so maybe that will happen with a Dem nominee. Biden is currently the front runner but no one here seems to be putting their full support behind him.

Klobuchar could beat Trump.

Biden might be able to beat Trump.

Both of their problems getting the nomination is they aren't extreme enough for the rabid primary voters.  Which is exactly why, IMHO, Harris would get wiped by Trump. Warren too, IMHO.

Bernie should do much better, but between mass confusion being sowed on Socialism is Venezuela and the old USSR and his pandering to the everything free crowd, would lose too, even though many Trump supporters really want many of the programs he talks about.  Oh the irony of Facebookers sharing Socialism kills memes and Social Security isn't an entitlement memes.

However, I live in California so.really don't have to think about it because about the only way the Dem doesn't carry California is if Harvey Weinstein picks up the nomination and even then he'd most likely carry the State.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 23, 2019, 07:37:21 AM
Aaaaand back on topic...

So even forum members from the left don't know who can challenge Hi-C Orange?

I guess Trump kind of came out of nowhere so maybe that will happen with a Dem nominee. Biden is currently the front runner but no one here seems to be putting their full support behind him.

This forum is trash. Why do you think not a lot of business wants to advertise on TI? Hate speech is rampant and the admin does nothing. So let’s turn this into a dumpster.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 23, 2019, 07:50:21 AM
Aaaaand back on topic...

So even forum members from the left don't know who can challenge Hi-C Orange?

I guess Trump kind of came out of nowhere so maybe that will happen with a Dem nominee. Biden is currently the front runner but no one here seems to be putting their full support behind him.

Klobuchar could beat Trump.

Biden might be able to beat Trump.

Both of their problems getting the nomination is they aren't extreme enough for the rabid primary voters.  Which is exactly why, IMHO, Harris would get wiped by Trump. Warren too, IMHO.

Bernie should do much better, but between mass confusion being sowed on Socialism is Venezuela and the old USSR and his pandering to the everything free crowd, would lose too, even though many Trump supporters really want many of the programs he talks about.  Oh the irony of Facebookers sharing Socialism kills memes and Social Security isn't an entitlement memes.

However, I live in California so.really don't have to think about it because about the only way the Dem doesn't carry California is if Harvey Weinstein picks up the nomination and even then he'd most likely carry the State.

So if you follow this reasoning then who does that leave?  They have to hope for a dark horse that checks all the extreme boxes just to get out of the primaries..Mayor Pete?   That criteria doesn't poll well on a national race.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 23, 2019, 08:10:24 AM
Aaaaand back on topic...

So even forum members from the left don't know who can challenge Hi-C Orange?

I guess Trump kind of came out of nowhere so maybe that will happen with a Dem nominee. Biden is currently the front runner but no one here seems to be putting their full support behind him.

Klobuchar could beat Trump.

Biden might be able to beat Trump.

Both of their problems getting the nomination is they aren't extreme enough for the rabid primary voters.  Which is exactly why, IMHO, Harris would get wiped by Trump. Warren too, IMHO.

Bernie should do much better, but between mass confusion being sowed on Socialism is Venezuela and the old USSR and his pandering to the everything free crowd, would lose too, even though many Trump supporters really want many of the programs he talks about.  Oh the irony of Facebookers sharing Socialism kills memes and Social Security isn't an entitlement memes.

However, I live in California so.really don't have to think about it because about the only way the Dem doesn't carry California is if Harvey Weinstein picks up the nomination and even then he'd most likely carry the State.

But Cali isn't really a concern right? And based on your comments, it still doesn't seem like there is someone who can get the nomination and beat Trump.

In recent history, only Bush 41 lost a re-election... so odds favor Trump but maybe the same thing will happen. What's interesting to me is that most people I talk to don't like Trump, so you would think he would lose next year. I think the Dems just have to find a candidate who is likable and doesn't have any baggage... and that's the problem I mentioned with Biden, while he does seem affable (hence his nickname Uncle Joe), the right is pushing his other nickname (Creepy Joe) which is why he should avoid situations like what Kings posted. What's ironic is we all know Trump is "creepy" too, yet that seems to get swept under the rug or re-labeled as "charisma".

C'mon Dems... find the answer America needs... make America normal again... MANA. :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 23, 2019, 08:13:27 AM
Aaaaand back on topic...

So even forum members from the left don't know who can challenge Hi-C Orange?

I guess Trump kind of came out of nowhere so maybe that will happen with a Dem nominee. Biden is currently the front runner but no one here seems to be putting their full support behind him.

Klobuchar could beat Trump.

Biden might be able to beat Trump.

Both of their problems getting the nomination is they aren't extreme enough for the rabid primary voters.  Which is exactly why, IMHO, Harris would get wiped by Trump. Warren too, IMHO.

Bernie should do much better, but between mass confusion being sowed on Socialism is Venezuela and the old USSR and his pandering to the everything free crowd, would lose too, even though many Trump supporters really want many of the programs he talks about.  Oh the irony of Facebookers sharing Socialism kills memes and Social Security isn't an entitlement memes.

However, I live in California so.really don't have to think about it because about the only way the Dem doesn't carry California is if Harvey Weinstein picks up the nomination and even then he'd most likely carry the State.

So if you follow this reasoning then who does that leave?  They have to hope for a dark horse that checks all the extreme boxes just to get out of the primaries..Mayor Pete?   That criteria doesn't poll well on a national race.

marianne 2020
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 23, 2019, 08:20:20 AM
I'm bummed my man Swalwell is out...I want my $1 back. ;D
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on July 23, 2019, 08:29:03 AM
A TALE OF IDENTITY POLITICS

ACT I
Once upon a time, there was a very liberal LA County Sheriff named Jim McDonald.
Jim was so liberal, he invited Liberal activists to “oversee” his own department.
Jim was so liberal, he maintained a hostile relationship with immigration authorities.
Jim was so liberal, he fired dozens of deputies who were accused of, but not convicted of, domestic violence and sexual misconduct. Yes, Jim “believes the woman.”
But alas, Jim was a white, cis-gendered male.

ACT II
Jim was challenged in the 2018 election by Alex Villanueva, a former Sheriff Lieutenant.
Alex had a long history of avoiding outside monitoring of department operations.
Alex had a long history of protecting deputies from activists.
But, lo and behold, Alex is of Mexican descent.

ACT III
Liberals voters in LA County could not see past the racial identity of the Sheriff candidates and voted Jim out so they can have a Mexican Sheriff.

ACT IV
Within days of taking office, Alex starts the process of reinstating hundreds of deputies fired for alleged sexual misconduct. No, Alex does not "believe the woman".
Within weeks of taking office, Alex publicly confronts of Board of Supervisors about civilian oversight.

MORAL OF THE STORY
Of course, the backgrounds of Jim and Alex were well documented before the election but Liberals could not take off their identity politics blinders, they did not see what was right in front of their faces.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: nosuchreality on July 23, 2019, 10:44:46 AM
Aaaaand back on topic...

So even forum members from the left don't know who can challenge Hi-C Orange?

I guess Trump kind of came out of nowhere so maybe that will happen with a Dem nominee. Biden is currently the front runner but no one here seems to be putting their full support behind him.

Klobuchar could beat Trump.

Biden might be able to beat Trump.

Both of their problems getting the nomination is they aren't extreme enough for the rabid primary voters.  Which is exactly why, IMHO, Harris would get wiped by Trump. Warren too, IMHO.

Bernie should do much better, but between mass confusion being sowed on Socialism is Venezuela and the old USSR and his pandering to the everything free crowd, would lose too, even though many Trump supporters really want many of the programs he talks about.  Oh the irony of Facebookers sharing Socialism kills memes and Social Security isn't an entitlement memes.

However, I live in California so.really don't have to think about it because about the only way the Dem doesn't carry California is if Harvey Weinstein picks up the nomination and even then he'd most likely carry the State.

But Cali isn't really a concern right? And based on your comments, it still doesn't seem like there is someone who can get the nomination and beat Trump.

In recent history, only Bush 41 lost a re-election... so odds favor Trump but maybe the same thing will happen. What's interesting to me is that most people I talk to don't like Trump, so you would think he would lose next year. I think the Dems just have to find a candidate who is likable and doesn't have any baggage... and that's the problem I mentioned with Biden, while he does seem affable (hence his nickname Uncle Joe), the right is pushing his other nickname (Creepy Joe) which is why he should avoid situations like what Kings posted. What's ironic is we all know Trump is "creepy" too, yet that seems to get swept under the rug or re-labeled as "charisma".

C'mon Dems... find the answer America needs... make America normal again... MANA. :)


JIMHO, Trump is the epitome of identity politics.  He just picked the group that still compromises 70%+ of the voting age people. 

That's the problem for the Dems driving the identity platform like Harris.  Unless any stalwart Demz on board want to volunteer to hop their kid on a bus to south Central for equality busing. 

That busing comment is coming back around even if Harris is no where near the ticket.

Most of the people in our country are decent, they want everyone to succeed, but they get twinges when so many of the proposals seem, like busing, to be at their expense.

If the dems field a candidate that doesn't seem to be pandering for a pound of flesh for shit done three, four, five or ten generations ago, they have a chance. 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on July 23, 2019, 02:31:09 PM
Aaaaand back on topic...

So even forum members from the left don't know who can challenge Hi-C Orange?

I guess Trump kind of came out of nowhere so maybe that will happen with a Dem nominee. Biden is currently the front runner but no one here seems to be putting their full support behind him.

Don't sleep on Yang. He's my dark horse pick. Already put money where my mouth is and placed a $1000 on a +6600 bet  ;D

Yang is the only one that can beat Trump.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on July 23, 2019, 02:45:28 PM
Aaaaand back on topic...

So even forum members from the left don't know who can challenge Hi-C Orange?

I guess Trump kind of came out of nowhere so maybe that will happen with a Dem nominee. Biden is currently the front runner but no one here seems to be putting their full support behind him.

Don't sleep on Yang. He's my dark horse pick. Already put money where my mouth is and placed a $1000 on a +6600 bet  ;D

Yang is the only one that can beat Trump.
How is Yang different from the many other "free stuff" candidates?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on July 23, 2019, 02:51:31 PM
Aaaaand back on topic...

So even forum members from the left don't know who can challenge Hi-C Orange?

I guess Trump kind of came out of nowhere so maybe that will happen with a Dem nominee. Biden is currently the front runner but no one here seems to be putting their full support behind him.

Don't sleep on Yang. He's my dark horse pick. Already put money where my mouth is and placed a $1000 on a +6600 bet  ;D

Yang is the only one that can beat Trump.
How is Yang different from the many other "free stuff" candidates?
Because he is much more than a " free stuff" candidate. He is non-ideological and comes from logic and reason.
He has broad support for different political spectrum.
Even people on the right like Yang.Dave Rubin, Joe Rogan,Tucker Carlson, and even Ben Shapiro.

Ben Shapiro " I'll be honest, I'm rooting for @AndrewYang" "Andrew Yang, the only person on the stage who has ideas different from the rest."
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1139646585158033408
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1143996007383875584?lang=en
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on July 23, 2019, 02:52:52 PM
In case you think Trump was just a small speedbump on history's unstoppable march towards the new global socialist epoch, Boris Johnson just became the UK prime minister.

https://www.vox.com/2019/7/23/20707069/boris-johnson-elected-uk-prime-minister-brexit-conservative-party-leader-election
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 23, 2019, 03:00:20 PM
Does Yang even have a chance to get nominated?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on July 23, 2019, 03:08:56 PM
In case you think Trump was just a small speedbump on history's unstoppable march towards the new global socialist epoch, Boris Johnson just became the UK prime minister.

https://www.vox.com/2019/7/23/20707069/boris-johnson-elected-uk-prime-minister-brexit-conservative-party-leader-election
Yang is not a socialist. Yang makes a compelling case why the entire socialism-capitalism dichotomy is out of date

Here is Yang on Fox News talking about that https://youtu.be/_x3Hx8i2FhA (https://youtu.be/_x3Hx8i2FhA)

Conservatives like Yang because he is for personal autonomy and is offering a realistic fix to the broken welfare system.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 23, 2019, 03:12:12 PM
So how does a country in debt pay for universal income?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on July 23, 2019, 03:13:03 PM
Does Yang even have a chance to get nominated?

I certainly think so. He is already polling better than many career politicians with national name recognition.

He also has massive grass root support. He was one of the first to reach DNC donor count thresholds for both debates.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on July 23, 2019, 03:16:04 PM
Does Yang even have a chance to get nominated?
Not likely. Liberals will not vote for an Asian. Liberals love all races, except Asians. Asians are too successful, liberals see them as a threat.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on July 23, 2019, 03:17:26 PM
So how does a country in debt pay for universal income?
Here is Yang answering your question.
https://youtu.be/cTsEzmFamZ8?t=465 (https://youtu.be/cTsEzmFamZ8?t=465)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 23, 2019, 03:21:52 PM
Does Yang even have a chance to get nominated?

I certainly think so. He is already polling better than many career politicians with national name recognition.

He also has massive grass root support. He was one of the first to reach DNC donor count thresholds for both debates.

yang has been polling at <2% for a while now.  how is he going to break through?  should he come down a golden escalator being carried by robots?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on July 23, 2019, 03:30:30 PM
yang has been polling at <2% for a while now.  how is he going to break through?  should he come down a golden escalator being carried by robots?

He's making some progress in the recent polling. Just hit 5% in early state like New Hampshire.
https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1151518471089459201

It's still very early. He still has one of the lowest name recognition among all the candidates.
Potential for growth and trajectory is more important at the point of the race.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 23, 2019, 03:44:44 PM
Does Yang even have a chance to get nominated?
Not likely. Liberals will not vote for an Asian. Liberals love all races, except Asians. Asians are too successful, liberals see them as a threat.

I know trashy Asians. Trust me not all Asians are successful.
(You can’t see me or be me)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 23, 2019, 03:49:42 PM
yang has been polling at <2% for a while now.  how is he going to break through?  should he come down a golden escalator being carried by robots?

He's making some progress in the recent polling. Just hit 5% in early state like New Hampshire.
https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1151518471089459201

It's still very early. He still has one of the lowest name recognition among all the candidates.
Potential for growth and trajectory is more important at the point of the race.

it's early, i'll give you that, but i just don't see his personality being the right fit for taking on someone like el presidente trump.  the american people want someone loud and firey to take on trump - hence the infatuation on the left and in the media with aoc.  remember, the media will be just as responsible, if not more, for propelling yang to the top - just as they did trump.  yang might appeal to intellectuals and might have visions of a future that are inevitable, but the average american cares about next week and next month, not next decade.  yang needs to invoke emotion in now and not the future for him to be successful, and i haven't really gleaned as much from what i've seen or heard.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on July 23, 2019, 03:58:39 PM
yang has been polling at <2% for a while now.  how is he going to break through?  should he come down a golden escalator being carried by robots?

He's making some progress in the recent polling. Just hit 5% in early state like New Hampshire.
https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1151518471089459201

It's still very early. He still has one of the lowest name recognition among all the candidates.
Potential for growth and trajectory is more important at the point of the race.

it's early, i'll give you that, but i just don't see his personality being the right fit for taking on someone like el presidente trump.  the american people want someone loud and firey to take on trump - hence the infatuation on the left and in the media with aoc.  remember, the media will be just as responsible, if not more, for propelling yang to the top - just as they did trump.  yang might appeal to intellectuals and might have visions of a future that are inevitable, but the average american cares about next week and next month, not next decade.  yang needs to invoke emotion in now and not the future for him to be successful, and i haven't really gleaned as much from what i've seen or heard.

Yup, emotion is the key:

Kennedy and Reagan: Unabashed Optimism in America
Clinton and Bush: Folksy Charm
Obama: Hope for the Future
Trump: Stick it to the Man


Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 23, 2019, 04:03:56 PM
The tax code is rigged. I talked to a couple of small business owner and they like the reduction in corporate tax rate.
BUT then I told them there are big corporations that paid nothing under the new tax code. (Recently public info, real news) One guy flipped out turned all red. I thought he was going to have a nervous breakdown. Hahaa

He calmed down after the other guy talked about using credit card points for vacation.

Like I previously said. People don’t care about politics. They care about there pocket book aka their money. Sorry folks the system is even more rigged! Lower the tax rate for business. (The mega big business are not even paying it according to many articles) Over all  indivduals paid more in taxes this year than last! (True fact, look it up. Important because that’s when the tax code changed.)

#BusinessCircle
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on July 23, 2019, 04:26:01 PM
it's early, i'll give you that, but i just don't see his personality being the right fit for taking on someone like el presidente trump.  the american people want someone loud and firey to take on trump - hence the infatuation on the left and in the media with aoc.  remember, the media will be just as responsible, if not more, for propelling yang to the top - just as they did trump.  yang might appeal to intellectuals and might have visions of a future that are inevitable, but   yang needs to invoke emotion in now and not the future for him to be successful, and i haven't really gleaned as much from what i've seen or heard.

I agree with you on his lack of emotional anti-trump rhetoric. He hasn't done particularly well with the hard left because of that. Unfortunately many on the left still haven't figured out that you cannot beat Trump by playing Trump's game.

I would argue that Yang does appeal to the average american who cares about next week and next month, not next decade. These are people who will be drawn to universal basic income.

I do think the characterization of Yang only appealing to intellectuals is mostly made up by mainstream media. I went to his rally in LA and my brother went to his rally in NY (both draw 3K people) and we saw first hand that Yang actually attracts a very diverse group. His supporters do tend to be younger. His campaign said their internal numbers show nearly half of the supporters are either new to politics or previously disengaged. About 25% of Americans are considered politically disengaged.  If Yang can activate enough of them he can win the whole election.

I'm definitely aware that he is still a long shot but there is a path for him.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on July 23, 2019, 04:41:53 PM
it's early, i'll give you that, but i just don't see his personality being the right fit for taking on someone like el presidente trump.  the american people want someone loud and firey to take on trump - hence the infatuation on the left and in the media with aoc.  remember, the media will be just as responsible, if not more, for propelling yang to the top - just as they did trump.  yang might appeal to intellectuals and might have visions of a future that are inevitable, but   yang needs to invoke emotion in now and not the future for him to be successful, and i haven't really gleaned as much from what i've seen or heard.

I agree with you on his lack of emotional anti-trump rhetoric. He hasn't done particularly well with the hard left because of that. Unfortunately many on the left still haven't figured out that you cannot beat Trump by playing Trump's game.

I would argue that Yang does appeal to the average american who cares about next week and next month, not next decade. These are people who will be drawn to universal basic income.

I do think the characterization of Yang only appealing to intellectuals is mostly made up by mainstream media. I went to his rally in LA and my brother went to his rally in NY (both draw 3K people) and we saw first hand that Yang actually attracts a very diverse group. His supporters do tend to be younger. His campaign said their internal numbers show nearly half of the supporters are either new to politics or previously disengaged. About 25% of Americans are considered politically disengaged.  If Yang can activate enough of them he can win the whole election.

I'm definitely aware that he is still a long shot but there is a path for him.
"Can we all just get along" is a nice sentiment, but it will not win a nomination in this highly polarized and poisonous political climate.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: nosuchreality on July 23, 2019, 05:02:05 PM
So how does a country in debt pay for universal income?

The same way Denmark, Sweden and other pay for all their stuff.  They tax everyone at high rates.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 23, 2019, 05:02:56 PM
So how does a country in debt pay for universal income?
Here is Yang answering your question.
https://youtu.be/cTsEzmFamZ8?t=465 (https://youtu.be/cTsEzmFamZ8?t=465)

That’s very theoretical and optimistic.

Fed can’t even manage Social Security and healthcare, I’m not for a welfare state.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on July 23, 2019, 05:37:30 PM
So how does a country in debt pay for universal income?
Here is Yang answering your question.
https://youtu.be/cTsEzmFamZ8?t=465 (https://youtu.be/cTsEzmFamZ8?t=465)

That’s very theoretical and optimistic.

Fed can’t even manage Social Security and healthcare, I’m not for a welfare state.

Sounds like you didn't watch very much of the video but I will try.

Universal Basic Income is not welfare. It's not means tested and it's for everyone.

UBI is also completely different from healthcare and Social Security. Social Security is essentially a forced annuity. Healthcare in America is a Byzantine labyrinth we created by letting the insurance companies and the medical lobby run amok.

UBI is pro small government, which is why it has a lot of support from libertarians.

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on July 23, 2019, 05:43:52 PM
So how does a country in debt pay for universal income?

The same way Denmark, Sweden and other pay for all their stuff.  They tax everyone at high rates.

Neither Denmark nor Sweden has an universal basic income.

Yang is actually proposing funding his UBI with a 10% Value Added Tax at half the European level. (Denmark VAT is 25%)

Yang's UBI is a net winner for the bottom 86% of US households.

https://medium.com/basic-income/there-is-no-policy-proposal-more-progressive-than-andrew-yangs-freedom-dividend-72d3850a6245
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 23, 2019, 09:03:34 PM
So how does a country in debt pay for universal income?
Here is Yang answering your question.
https://youtu.be/cTsEzmFamZ8?t=465 (https://youtu.be/cTsEzmFamZ8?t=465)

That’s very theoretical and optimistic.

Fed can’t even manage Social Security and healthcare, I’m not for a welfare state.

Sounds like you didn't watch very much of the video but I will try.

Universal Basic Income is not welfare. It's not means tested and it's for everyone.

UBI is also completely different from healthcare and Social Security. Social Security is essentially a forced annuity. Healthcare in America is a Byzantine labyrinth we created by letting the insurance companies and the medical lobby run amok.

UBI is pro small government, which is why it has a lot of support from libertarians.

I watched and read Yang’s website.

My point is that you are having the government handle over $3T in “revenue” and we are not calculating the overhead to manage that. While it may seem simple to institute VAT, for the scale of the US, that is not an easy measure to pass.

Also, when I talk about theory, I’m referring to the assertions that it will reduce the use of jails, hospitals, institutions etc. They also theorize that it won’t incentivize joblessness but part of the premise is that there will be less jobs due to AI so it will be a factor.

It also mentions other taxes for corporations and pollution which is great, but again, going to be very hard to push through.

Then there is the socioeconomic factor of what can go wrong with people getting an extra $1000/mo. Yang hopes it will go back to the economy but it could also be used for less positive activity like drug use, gambling, you name it. It can also affect cost of living pricing as rents/goods may be raised to “accommodate” this extra income.

It’s idealogic, but the execution on a scale for a country like the US can’t be data modeled accurately. He mentions all this research but what case study has there been that matches the population, geography and economic scale of the US?

This is like trying to pass The Purge into law. :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on July 23, 2019, 11:20:04 PM

I watched and read Yang’s website.

My point is that you are having the government handle over $3T in “revenue” and we are not calculating the overhead to manage that. While it may seem simple to institute VAT, for the scale of the US, that is not an easy measure to pass.

Also, when I talk about theory, I’m referring to the assertions that it will reduce the use of jails, hospitals, institutions etc. They also theorize that it won’t incentivize joblessness but part of the premise is that there will be less jobs due to AI so it will be a factor.

It also mentions other taxes for corporations and pollution which is great, but again, going to be very hard to push through.

Then there is the socioeconomic factor of what can go wrong with people getting an extra $1000/mo. Yang hopes it will go back to the economy but it could also be used for less positive activity like drug use, gambling, you name it. It can also affect cost of living pricing as rents/goods may be raised to “accommodate” this extra income.

It’s idealogic, but the execution on a scale for a country like the US can’t be data modeled accurately. He mentions all this research but what case study has there been that matches the population, geography and economic scale of the US?

This is like trying to pass The Purge into law. :)

I wondered if you watched it because you ask questions that Yang addressed in the video  ::)

As Yang explained in the video, it isn't 3T new revenue. The largest portion of the funding for his UBI come from cost savings and welfare overlap. The new VAT is just 800 billion. Even the U.S Government of Accountability Office said " GAO found that single-rate, broad-based VAT would promote economic neutrality among goods and services, minimize compliance burdens for the taxpayer, and minimize administrative costs" 

And you missed Yang's point on jobs. His freedom dividend is not meant to be a job replacement. 12k a year is below the federal poverty line. Very few people can thrive on 12K a year. It would not incentize joblessness like you suggested. It's will however raise the floor and help millions of American transition to a future economy with increasingly more automation and AI.

The research you asked  is a study done by the Roosevelt Institute. I will link it below. The study showed a $1k/month UBI expands the US economy by 12.56%. https://rooseveltinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Modeling-the-Macroeconomic-Effects-of-a-Universal-Basic-Income.pdf

Here is a pretty good case why UBI would not cause massive inflation.
https://medium.com/basic-income/wouldnt-unconditional-basic-income-just-cause-massive-inflation-fe71d69f15e7

As for socioeconomic factor, it's unfortunate you only focus on the possible negatives. This would be a game changer for homelessness. We do have that problem here in LA and OC. It would reduce crime and recognize caretakers. It would empower women to leave exploitative jobs and abusive relationships.It would help reverse the scarcity mindset which studies have shown to decrease functional IQ. People will make better decisions if they are not living in financial distress. 

Lastly, big picture, Yang is much more than just the UBI guy. He has over a 100 other well laid out policies besides UBI. I would be net losers financially in his UBI plan, but I still support him because he is much more than that. Many conservatives support him despite hating UBI.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 24, 2019, 08:22:47 AM
I wondered if you watched it because you ask questions that Yang addressed in the video  ::)

As Yang explained in the video, it isn't 3T new revenue. The largest portion of the funding for his UBI come from cost savings and welfare overlap. The new VAT is just 800 billion. Even the U.S Government of Accountability Office said " GAO found that single-rate, broad-based VAT would promote economic neutrality among goods and services, minimize compliance burdens for the taxpayer, and minimize administrative costs" 

No, I understand about the welfare cost overlap, I'm not talking about where to get the $3T from, it's how they are going to manage it. You keep missing the point that it's additional money that the Fed will be handling and they are not very good at that. Government is very inefficient when it comes to money, that's not a case study, that's a fact.

For example, Yang said accounting for the welfare/jails/institutional overlap, it's probably more like $1.6T that has to be generated from the VAT. But that's just to cover the $1k/mo per person. Did he take into account the overhead from the Fed? Considering how much the Pentagon pays for toilets, we are probably back at the $3T number. :)

Why don't we do the VAT and get rid of our debt first? A better platform would be to reduce Fed fiscal inefficiency.

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And you missed Yang's point on jobs. His freedom dividend is not meant to be a job replacement. 12k a year is below the federal poverty line. Very few people can thrive on 12K a year. It would not incentize joblessness like you suggested. It's will however raise the floor and help millions of American transition to a future economy with increasingly more automation and AI.

He talked about that in the video, but his answer to that is theoretical. If you are jobless now and are getting by on unemployment/welfare/etc, how will $1k/month make you go out and get a job? Especially if there are less available if all the robots took them? :)

Joe Rogan softballed that topic.

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The research you asked  is a study done by the Roosevelt Institute. I will link it below. The study showed a $1k/month UBI expands the US economy by 12.56%. https://rooseveltinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Modeling-the-Macroeconomic-Effects-of-a-Universal-Basic-Income.pdf

Here is a pretty good case why UBI would not cause massive inflation.
https://medium.com/basic-income/wouldnt-unconditional-basic-income-just-cause-massive-inflation-fe71d69f15e7

Again, theoretical. Your second article is an opinion piece by some guy. I can do the same thing, here is a link to an article about what is wrong with Yang's proposal (and that's just the first one I found):

https://fee.org/articles/andrew-yang-s-math-doesn-t-add-up-on-universal-basic-income/

It also mentions the Roosevelt study and the flaws in the results.

Remember the Great Depresssion? What did people do with that money? How about the tax stimulus handout? Did that really dent anything?

Sure, we can point to Alaska and say it's working for them, but that's only $1k-2k per year so what is it really doing? Of course that really won't affect the economy and people claim that unemployment has not risen, but it hasn't gone down either. And you can't compare the demographics of Alaska to the US. This is why I mention scale as one of the caveats to a program like this.

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As for socioeconomic factor, it's unfortunate you only focus on the possible negatives. This would be a game changer for homelessness. We do have that problem here in LA and OC. It would reduce crime and recognize caretakers. It would empower women to leave exploitative jobs and abusive relationships.It would help reverse the scarcity mindset which studies have shown to decrease functional IQ. People will make better decisions if they are not living in financial distress. 

You have to consider the negatives because that's the reality. Yang says that this will help the marginal people most, so that doesn't really address those who are in real need.

The things you are talking about are idealistic. How does it reduce crime? How does $1000/mo empower women? It's not just money that is their issue. I think you are making this $1k sound like a miracle cure when it reality, it will end up being a placebo. Sure, it will help, but not to the extent that Yang (and you) are claiming. That's why I say "welfare state". Unmotivated people will stay unmotivated, even with handouts, it has to be something more than that.

Do you really think $12k/year will do that much for the homeless? Won't they just spend that on food and necessities (or drugs) but still stay homeless?

It should be how (education, job training, etc) not just what (money). I've quoted Ben Franklin before but here it is again:

“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”


Maybe it should be at the state or local level. Then people will move to places that have better UBI, that will solve your LA/OC homeless problem quickly (I'm kidding).

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Lastly, big picture, Yang is much more than just the UBI guy. He has over a 100 other well laid out policies besides UBI. I would be net losers financially in his UBI plan, but I still support him because he is much more than that. Many conservatives support him despite hating UBI.

I like his other policies but UBI seems to be a tentpole platform for him and I don't think that will work. I could be wrong, and while I would like an extra $1k/mo and would hope it would help more than just the marginal people, I know that just money doesn't make people less lazy, make criminals give up crime, make the mentally ill healthy etc etc.

But back to whether he can take Trump... polling at 2% isn't going to get Yang the nomination. Even if he polls at 5% or 10%, it isn't going to get him in. But let's say he does get in, people like you and me, would vote for Yang, but do you see him swaying anyone who supports Trump?

So just like the Borg and AI, resistance is futile.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 24, 2019, 08:42:25 AM
Throwing money at the problem/Giving away money is not going to solve things.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on July 24, 2019, 10:06:09 AM
I feel like a lot of your opposition is ideology, not Yang specific.

European countries has been going the VAT route for decades and have shown to be an efficient way to tax. The U.S Government of Accountability Office agrees with that.

Both republicans and Dem have shown no regard for the deficit. Yet you want to draw the line at Yang? He is actually proposing a deficit neutral UBI funded by VAT.

The article I linked is by Scott Santens. He is one of the world's lead researchers of Universal Basic Income. I would say he is more than " an opinion piece by some guy"

Your argument about poor people may use UBI for non-productive things is actually the most common conservative argument against UBI. But to that Yang has said his Freedom Dividend is a right of citizenship, it is not welfare. Do we care what shareholders do with their Verizon / Microsoft dividend? I thought conservatives are all about personal autonomy. It's their money. They live with the consequences. Yang made this point with Ben Shapiro and even Ben Shapiro agrees.

You talked about focus on education and re-training. Yang actually agrees with that. But he believes education / retraining should be decided / done by the individual. Giving everyone 12k a year creates better condition for people to would better facilitate that.  Because government retraining is both wasteful and have abysmal success rate ( 0% -15% success rate). Politicians love to use re-training as a talking point but government funded retraining is essentially a myth.

As to your point about people who are getting by on unemployment/welfare/etc, how will $1k/month make them go out and get a job? Yang talked about properly aligning the incentives. Our current welfare system incentives are discouraging people from going out to get a job. Because if they improve their financial situation by working, they get reduced payments or removed from welfare. Under Yang's UBI, they get 1K UBI and keep every dollar they make from getting a job.

If you can stomach more opinion from some guy Scott Santens, this is a good short read that dispels many of things people misunderstand about UBI.
Such as why the bulk of UBI already exists, just hugely inefficiently.
https://medium.com/basic-income/what-people-get-most-wrong-about-unconditional-basic-income-ubi-b571af99c50c

Lastly, Yang is the only Dem candidate peeling off Trump supporters. He routinely does shout outs to them at his rallies. If you look at his polling data, he has the highest favorable rating from Republicans among Dem candidates. There are numerous former Trump supporters who are now hardcore Yang Gang.
They even create YT channels and videos to support Yang. You might find this fun.
https://youtu.be/ExOcqqCaVFI (https://youtu.be/ExOcqqCaVFI)
another
https://youtu.be/OnGp50S-rn0  (https://youtu.be/OnGp50S-rn0)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 24, 2019, 11:40:44 AM
I feel like a lot of your opposition is ideology, not Yang specific.

Maybe. My opposition is more toward execution and effectiveness. None of those studies, including Scott Stantens' can account for the scale of the US. As I mentioned, even the Roosevelt study has flaws.

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European countries has been going the VAT route for decades and have shown to be an efficient way to tax. The U.S Government of Accountability Office agrees with that.

Still goes back to scale and size.

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Both republicans and Dem have shown no regard for the deficit. Yet you want to draw the line at Yang? He is actually proposing a deficit neutral UBI funded by VAT.

I'm not drawing the line at Yang, I'm just pointing out that if he wants a better platform that might be it if you are saying that it's being disregarded by both parties.

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The article I linked is by Scott Santens. He is one of the world's lead researchers of Universal Basic Income. I would say he is more than " an opinion piece by some guy"

Your argument about poor people may use UBI for non-productive things is actually the most common conservative argument against UBI. But to that Yang has said his Freedom Dividend is a right of citizenship, it is not welfare. Do we care what shareholders do with their Verizon / Microsoft dividend? I thought conservatives are all about personal autonomy. It's their money. They live with the consequences. Yang made this point with Ben Shapiro and even Ben Shapiro agrees.

Technically, it's not their money. It's money that was taxed from the people. So there should be some concern about how it's used. That's welfare regardless of how you want to color it.

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You talked about focus on education and re-training. Yang actually agrees with that. But he believes education / retraining should be decided / done by the individual. Giving everyone 12k a year creates better condition for people to would better facilitate that.  Because government retraining is both wasteful and have abysmal success rate ( 0% -15% success rate). Politicians love to use re-training as a talking point but government funded retraining is essentially a myth.

I agree that government training, just like fiscal management, is a myth. But so is the assertion that an individual will do that themselves given $1k/mo.

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As to your point about people who are getting by on unemployment/welfare/etc, how will $1k/month make them go out and get a job? Yang talked about properly aligning the incentives. Our current welfare system incentives are discouraging people from going out to get a job. Because if they improve their financial situation by working, they get reduced payments or removed from welfare. Under Yang's UBI, they get 1K UBI and keep every dollar they make from getting a job.

Again, I did watch that. But that is theoretical. Did you read the article I linked to? He has some interesting points about what kind of jobs people will look for under UBI. There can be an opposite effect to income subsidy.

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If you can stomach more opinion from some guy Scott Santens, this is a good short read that dispels many of things people misunderstand about UBI.
Such as why the bulk of UBI already exists, just hugely inefficiently.
https://medium.com/basic-income/what-people-get-most-wrong-about-unconditional-basic-income-ubi-b571af99c50c

But do you even consider the counterpoints? Basically it's he said or she said and no one has definitive proof that UBI will or will not help given the scale of the US.

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Lastly, Yang is the only Dem candidate peeling off Trump supporters. He routinely does shout outs to them at his rallies. If you look at his polling data, he has the highest favorable rating from Republicans among Dem candidates. There are numerous former Trump supporters who are now hardcore Yang Gang.
They even create YT channels and videos to support Yang. You might find this fun.
https://youtu.be/ExOcqqCaVFI (https://youtu.be/ExOcqqCaVFI)
another
https://youtu.be/OnGp50S-rn0  (https://youtu.be/OnGp50S-rn0)

This is an empty statement if Yang can't get nominated. And again, the odds just don't favor him for people who are not us (like I said, I would vote for Yang if he made it to the primary).
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on July 24, 2019, 12:12:04 PM
I do look at drawbacks of UBI. Like any policy proposals, it has pros and cons.

However, I don’t evaluate Yang’s UBI/Freedom Dividend in a vacuum. I compare it to the other alternatives that we are being offered.

If we keep going down the Trump route, it’s not sustainable. We cannot combat the rapidly growing income equality by these tax cuts that benefit mostly shareholders. 50% of bottom Americans owns 0 stock. Bottom 80% of Americans own 7% of total stocks. This is particularly troublesome when you have a future economy that’s increasingly impacted by automation and AI. The winners take all dynamic will only accelerate.

On the Dem side, every single one is for Fed $15 min wage. That’s an actual job killer, much worse than UBI. It’s also harming small businesses and fails to account for the difference in rural economy / states in the interior and costal economy. Things like Bernie's Federal Job Guarantee is a sure path to dystopia.

But if you do not address this economic insecurity driven by rapidly increasing income inequality, this is what you end up with. Like it or not, we are on a path to socialism. Newer data shows that gen z and millennial prefer socialism over capitalism. If we continue down our current path, that is where we are heading.

To me, Yang offers a better alternative to both current Dems and Trump. Yang’s version is better aligned with a future economy increasingly impacted by automation and AI.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 24, 2019, 01:53:19 PM
I do look at drawbacks of UBI. Like any policy proposals, it has pros and cons.

However, I don’t evaluate Yang’s UBI/Freedom Dividend in a vacuum. I compare it to the other alternatives that we are being offered.

If we keep going down the Trump route, it’s not sustainable. We cannot combat the rapidly growing income equality by these tax cuts that benefit mostly shareholders. 50% of bottom Americans owns 0 stock. Bottom 80% of Americans own 7% of total stocks. This is particularly troublesome when you have a future economy that’s increasingly impacted by automation and AI. The winners take all dynamic will only accelerate.

I don't think UBI will change that. Will $1k/mo change the ratio of stock ownership?

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On the Dem side, every single one is for Fed $15 min wage. That’s an actual job killer, much worse than UBI. It’s also harming small businesses and fails to account for the difference in rural economy / states in the interior and costal economy. Things like Bernie's Federal Job Guarantee is a sure path to dystopia.

I also do not believe in minimum wage. Let the market set the rate. Surprise!! We are totally in agreement here. :)

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But if you do not address this economic insecurity driven by rapidly increasing income inequality, this is what you end up with. Like it or not, we are on a path to socialism. Newer data shows that gen z and millennial prefer socialism over capitalism. If we continue down our current path, that is where we are heading.

I agree about income inequality, I just don't think UBI is the answer.

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To me, Yang offers a better alternative to both current Dems and Trump. Yang’s version is better aligned with a future economy increasingly impacted by automation and AI.

As we've discussed before, I don't think AI will have the impact you do (at least in one presidential term). It will be gradual and I am confident society will adapt quickly. Economically, to me, UBI has more questions than answers, and I'm not convinced it's the answer to help ease the transition into automation. You can't build/fix/change a socioeconomic system via handouts. There has to be a better method, it's seems a little like putting the cart before the horse... like UBI should be a result of AI/automation, not the impetus for it. In other words, once the robots have taken over, then make them take care of us. :)

Let's assume Yang won't get nominated. Who else do you think can beat Trump?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on July 24, 2019, 03:57:52 PM
I don’t see any other Dem candidate can beat Trump. None of them makes a compelling case for voters in the rust belt. It’s almost like Dems are fighting to make blue states more blue and forgot that they have to win back Middle America.

It seems to me you are looking for UBI to be the silver bullet to our economic problems. It is certainly not that. But it is the best proposal on the table to the massive income inequality problem we have in America. Neither Trump nor rest of the Dem candidates offer a better policy to tackling this issue.

To your specific question, 1k/mo may only make a marginal difference in changing % of Americans owning stocks. It would certainly be an improvement to millions of American lives. I do understand this is TI, my opinion is very likely an unpopular one. Most posters here are probably far from real average Americans financially.

I think we agree on issue like the minimum wage because we both see market based solutions as best. But we also have to admit that market based solutions has limitations. Our current big problems aren’t market-based problems. There is no market-based solution to fighting climate change or improving income inequalities unless we create them and change the rules.

Regarding UBI to help transition us to the age of massive automation and AI, I think we differ because we are coming from different perspectives. I believe the markets should exist to serve Humanity in an increasingly automated future. We should evolve away from seeing everyone as just an economic input into the system because humans will lose to AI and automation in the battle of capital efficiency.

Also, I see Yang’s Freedom Dividend as the right of citizenship, not welfare, not a handout. In your theory, Jeff Bezos / Mark Zuckerberg/ Warren Buffet will get welfare handouts too. Yang’s funding it with VAT and VAT is a consumption tax. You control your consumption. You can avoid the VAT by simply controlling your consumption. This isn’t your typical conservative slam dunk “taxation theft” case. There are plenty of conservatives like Ben Shapiro, Eric Weinstein, and Dave Rubin who support it.

To me, we should choose the best available offer. I know you’ve repeatedly said UBI isn’t the answer. But is there another policy proposal (by Trump or any of the Dem candidate) out there that is?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 24, 2019, 04:41:12 PM
I like the idea of consumption tax or flat tax to help reduce debt and tax the rich more, but not to feed UBI.

I think we need to fix our government problems first before we think about UBI.

So no, I don’t have an answer because I’m not that smart.

But back on the main topic, it seems like you are in agreement that the Dems don’t have a someone who will get nominated that can beat Trump. Do you like Biden? 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on July 24, 2019, 04:48:52 PM
I had higher hopes prior to recent developments.
He seems tone deaf and unprepared. How did he (and his advisers) not see Harris coming for him?
Biden is basically banking on votes generated from nostalgia of Obama years.
That's not nearly enough to beat Trump.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on July 24, 2019, 04:54:02 PM
I know this is a very slim possibility.
But if my lengthy discussion with IHO sparked your curiosity into Andrew Yang, here is an awesome short 5 min video made by Yang supporters.
https://youtu.be/VkY8w0wpaVk (https://youtu.be/VkY8w0wpaVk)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: momopi on July 25, 2019, 01:30:39 PM
I like Andrew Yang but I think the UBI proposal needs to start from a smaller and more limited base, with strings/conditions attached.  For example, with big data we can statistically identify those who are most at risk of committing crimes and put them on government dole in exchange for staying out of trouble, attending classes/counseling, and relocation out of high risk areas.

For those who like the idea of moving "semi off-grid", $12,000/year would allow you to save for a tiny home and plot of land somewhere.  It will allow people to indulge in the fantasy of being self sufficient in a rural area somewhere while collecting $1,000/month from Uncle Sam and getting drone deliveries from Amazon or Walmart.  They can um, tend to their 1 acre gardens while ordering groceries from Walmart delivery.  Not a perfect solution to mass unemployment from automation/AI, but better than having the robots liquidate us.

On the other hand, we may create a degenerate society where the top 0.1% rule with support from bottom 90% welfare recipients mooching off the productive 10%.  Not that the other way is always better, when the elite 10% ruled in a "civilized society" advocating meritocracy, they say "by the sweat of your brow will you eat" when they really mean "if you're not clever/cunning/shrewd enough to double the silver in your hand, you deserve to have the coins taken from you and cast into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 25, 2019, 01:54:09 PM
@momopi:

America is just one giant Snowpiercer train. :)

The core of UBI is no strings attached... it's a right, no conditions, no qualifications. It's Oprah style... right kenkoko?

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on July 25, 2019, 02:10:48 PM

On the other hand, we may create a degenerate society where the top 0.1% rule with support from bottom 90% welfare recipients mooching off the productive 10%.  Not that the other way is always better, when the elite 10% ruled in a "civilized society" advocating meritocracy, they say "by the sweat of your brow will you eat" when they really mean "if you're not clever/cunning/shrewd enough to double the silver in your hand, you deserve to have the coins taken from you and cast into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

There is no equivalence to the alternatives you posed.

In a liberal/socialist/collectivist society, if you are in the 90%, there is no chance you will ever become part of the 0.1% elite. The very best you can hope for is for the 0.1% elite to promote you to the 10%. But why would you want that if all that means is that you now have to support the 90%?

In a conservative/capitalist/individualistic society, if you are in the 90%, you have a shot at getting into the 10%. The odds may not be good, but at least you have a shot. As a famous writer once said, the reason socialism never took hold in the USA is because every poor person in America thinks he’s a millionaire who has temporarily fallen on hard times.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 25, 2019, 02:51:29 PM
No doubt...

More than half of millennials think they’ll be millionaires—here’s what the data suggests

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/03/half-of-millennials-think-theyll-be-rich-data-says-otherwise.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/03/half-of-millennials-think-theyll-be-rich-data-says-otherwise.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 25, 2019, 04:41:37 PM
No doubt...

More than half of millennials think they’ll be millionaires—here’s what the data suggests

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/03/half-of-millennials-think-theyll-be-rich-data-says-otherwise.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/03/half-of-millennials-think-theyll-be-rich-data-says-otherwise.html)

millennials just need to wait for their boomer parents to die, then they'll all be millionaires  ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: moc on July 25, 2019, 05:33:00 PM
Or we just understand compound interest?

If I put $10,000 a year in my 401k for 30 years with an average rate of return of 8% I would have $1,223,458.68 when I retire.

Obviously that's a fairly optimistic scenario. But also not impossible.

No doubt...

More than half of millennials think they’ll be millionaires—here’s what the data suggests

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/03/half-of-millennials-think-theyll-be-rich-data-says-otherwise.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/03/half-of-millennials-think-theyll-be-rich-data-says-otherwise.html)

millennials just need to wait for their boomer parents to die, then they'll all be millionaires  ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 26, 2019, 09:32:46 AM
GDP came in at 2.1%...in line with estimates...same ones that says GDP will sub 2% in second half of 2019. 

Love how CNBC is selling this..

1)  GDP BEAT EXPECTATIONS!  Yeah by 0.1%  and this is only a preliminary number...adjustments have been downwards recently.

2)  CONSUMER SPENDING!  Buries lede of domestic invement down 5.5%...Customer spending is a lagging indicator.  Also, I thought the tax cuts were supposed to create a whole new level of business investment never seen before!

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/26/us-gdp-second-quarter-2019.html

These quote sums up Wall Street craziness right now...it is like a junkie claiming that everything is great!

Quote
However, the underlying numbers in the report seemed to take steam out of the recession fears that have been much of the talk among economists and policymakers at the Federal Reserve.

“The recession talk was always overstated,” said Michael Arone, chief investment strategist at State Street Global Advisors. “Those that were doing the Chicken Little, the sky is falling, we’re headed for recession talk were clearly early in that assessment. The economic data continue to suggest that the economy isn’t near recession, at least in the next year or so.”

Quote
The GDP report comes amid growing concern that the weakening growth hitting much of the world’s economy is spilling over into the U.S. While consumer activity has been strong, manufacturing growth has slumped recently and housing remains a weak spot.

“The data clearly shows signs of a bifurcated economy. Weakness in manufacturing has weighed on components like inventories and fixed investment, but the healthy U.S. consumer has helped buoy the economy as seen in the stable reading on personal consumption expenditures,” Michael Reynolds, investment strategy officer at Glenmede, said in a note. “Altogether, robust domestic consumers are more than offsetting the headwinds of a weakening manufacturing economy.”
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Irvinecommuter on July 26, 2019, 09:36:04 AM
But thankfully...we are going to win that trade war against China!

Wait sorry...we are winning that trade war...I mean WE WON THE TRADE WAR AGAINST CHINA!

Quote
Larry Kudlow, director of the National Economic Council, dampened expectations about any major breakthroughs coming from U.S.-China trade negotiations next week.

“I wouldn’t expect any grand deal,” Kudlow told CNBC’s “Squawk on the Street ” on Friday. “Talking to our negotiators, I think they’re going to reset the stage and hopefully go back to where the talks left off last May.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/26/kudlow-praises-gdp-growth-says-getting-trade-barriers-down-is-absolutely-essential.html
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: momopi on July 26, 2019, 10:04:46 AM
One does not need to be a millionaire or be in the top 10% wealth category to succeed in getting out of the rat race.  But we are constantly bombarded with messages of consumerism (social and economic order that encourages the acquisition of goods and services in ever-increasing amounts) where the bottom 90% is encouraged to buy goods and services to enjoy upscale lifestyle and trappings with debt.

In theory, if you purchased quality products with timeless design and function, you can take good care of it and last for years, decades, or even generations.  However today people are hooked on products with short term planned obsolescence like liquefied sugary snacks on IV drip.  To replace these products people are encouraged to spend, spend, and spend to enrich the banksters (predatory, profiteering, and dishonest banking industry) and credit monopoly with usurious interest (*).

Instead of always seeing growing consumer debt as signs of growing economy, if we reduced our debts (other than those that help to build equity) we won't have to fantasize about winning to lotto to retire.


(*)  For example, see Marquette National Bank of Minneapolis v. First of Omaha Service Corp., 439 U.S. 299 (1978).
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on July 26, 2019, 02:26:32 PM

The core of UBI is no strings attached... it's a right, no conditions, no qualifications. It's Oprah style... right kenkoko?
don’t quite understand the argument against the universality of Yang’s Freedom Dividend other than maybe it goes against the doctrine in your specific ideology. If you look at our current welfare program, very few people love them. Means testing is expensive and does not work. The massive bureaucracy actually fails to provide aid to people actually in need.

Universality also de-politicized it. Do you really enjoy how polarized we have become? Do we really want socialism/ federal job guarantees/ free college for everyone? I constantly see conservatives complaining about how far left the democrats have gone. But refuse to consider better solutions. If we keep doubling down on this trickledown economic that’s just going to accelerate income inequality and further “radicalize” the left and push more younger people to socialism. Yang’s UBI has bipartisan support and is a better alternative to what the rest of the democratic field is offering.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on July 26, 2019, 02:31:33 PM
I like Andrew Yang but I think the UBI proposal needs to start from a smaller and more limited base, with strings/conditions attached.  For example, with big data we can statistically identify those who are most at risk of committing crimes and put them on government dole in exchange for staying out of trouble, attending classes/counseling, and relocation out of high risk areas.

For those who like the idea of moving "semi off-grid", $12,000/year would allow you to save for a tiny home and plot of land somewhere.  It will allow people to indulge in the fantasy of being self sufficient in a rural area somewhere while collecting $1,000/month from Uncle Sam and getting drone deliveries from Amazon or Walmart.  They can um, tend to their 1 acre gardens while ordering groceries from Walmart delivery.  Not a perfect solution to mass unemployment from automation/AI, but better than having the robots liquidate us.

On the other hand, we may create a degenerate society where the top 0.1% rule with support from bottom 90% welfare recipients mooching off the productive 10%.  Not that the other way is always better, when the elite 10% ruled in a "civilized society" advocating meritocracy, they say "by the sweat of your brow will you eat" when they really mean "if you're not clever/cunning/shrewd enough to double the silver in your hand, you deserve to have the coins taken from you and cast into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."


I agree that we should absolutely use advancement in big data technology to improve but we are far from that. One thing I do agree with IHO on is skepticism when it comes to our government competency. Look at how bad we are at administration of welfare.
Numbers of families in poverty receiving cash welfare in 2016:
Texas 4 out of 100
Arizona 6 out of 100
Arkansas 5 out of 100
Wyoming 5 out of 100

If anyone wants to live off 12k UBI a year, I frankly don’t see a problem. Probably leads to less carbon footprint and better for the environment. We should encourage that.

Jobs have long been seen as the primary driver of economic growth because they represent both the supply & demand side. We need to shift to seeing automation as the primary driver of growth on the supply side and UBI on the demand side, with a goal of always doing more with less.



Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on July 26, 2019, 02:48:28 PM

The core of UBI is no strings attached... it's a right, no conditions, no qualifications. It's Oprah style... right kenkoko?
don’t quite understand the argument against the universality of Yang’s Freedom Dividend other than maybe it goes against the doctrine in your specific ideology. If you look at our current welfare program, very few people love them. Means testing is expensive and does not work. The massive bureaucracy actually fails to provide aid to people actually in need.

Universality also de-politicized it. Do you really enjoy how polarized we have become? Do we really want socialism/ federal job guarantees/ free college for everyone? I constantly see conservatives complaining about how far left the democrats have gone. But refuse to consider better solutions. If we keep doubling down on this trickledown economic that’s just going to accelerate income inequality and further “radicalize” the left and push more younger people to socialism. Yang’s UBI has bipartisan support and is a better alternative to what the rest of the democratic field is offering.

Oh don't get me wrong, I agree with not having requirements for the reasons you list... especially the bureaucracy of proving qualification.

Remember, I'm all for the Star Trek utopia where no one worries about earnings/profit/etc, replicators give you whatever you want and your purpose in life is basically production/engineering, exploration/science and protection (medical/military/etc)... unless you are a Ferengi. :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 30, 2019, 07:36:15 PM
I have now shifted my allegiance from Swalwell to Williamson!!

Marianne Williamson 'YODELS' as she gets passionate during Democratic debate - then says she will confront 'dark psychic force' and dismisses other Democrats as 'yada yada yada'

https://mol.im/a/7303863 (https://mol.im/a/7303863)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 30, 2019, 07:46:33 PM
I have now shifted my allegiance from Swalwell to Williamson!!

Marianne Williamson 'YODELS' as she gets passionate during Democratic debate - then says she will confront 'dark psychic force' and dismisses other Democrats as 'yada yada yada'

https://mol.im/a/7303863 (https://mol.im/a/7303863)

But your still stuck in LB politics.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: nosuchreality on July 30, 2019, 09:15:50 PM
LOL, well, technically, yada yada yada is correct.  And the emperor has no clothes.


I didn't watch though.

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: nosuchreality on July 30, 2019, 09:24:19 PM
Going to be a long 16 months.  Around 8:30ish caught a 30 second scare commercial on Medicare forn All going to take all your choices away and make 40% of the drugs go away while the Government Bureaucracy lets cancer kill you spot already.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 30, 2019, 10:37:49 PM
I have now shifted my allegiance from Swalwell to Williamson!!

Marianne Williamson 'YODELS' as she gets passionate during Democratic debate - then says she will confront 'dark psychic force' and dismisses other Democrats as 'yada yada yada'

https://mol.im/a/7303863 (https://mol.im/a/7303863)

But your still stuck in LB politics.

Absolutely, way more relevant to me. Trump loses this state no matter what so I support whoever will be the most entertaining opponent. Wish I could vote in the dem primary, maybe I’ll change my affiliation....hmmmm
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 31, 2019, 07:39:30 AM
Stack these kinds of antics on last nights circus and its Trump 2020! Here it comes...

Democrats just purged white party staffers, and it's a bigger deal than anyone wants to admit

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the House Democrats’ powerful campaign arm, has just abruptly purged half a dozen staffers. Why? Because they are white.

It appears that no one had anything against these particular staffers ... except for the color of their skin. Although roughly half the committee’s full-time staff (13 of 27) were nonwhite, this was not enough for some Democratic members of Congress. They complained DCCC Chairwoman Cheri Bustos of Illinois had brought in too many white staffers when she won the position. And they put enough pressure on her that she sacrificed her loyal staffers to the god of diversity. ..This is about an organization that fires people from their current jobs because of their skin color.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/democrats-just-purged-white-party-staffers-and-its-a-bigger-deal-than-anyone-wants-to-admit (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/democrats-just-purged-white-party-staffers-and-its-a-bigger-deal-than-anyone-wants-to-admit)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on July 31, 2019, 11:18:41 AM
I have now shifted my allegiance from Swalwell to Williamson!!

Marianne Williamson 'YODELS' as she gets passionate during Democratic debate - then says she will confront 'dark psychic force' and dismisses other Democrats as 'yada yada yada'

https://mol.im/a/7303863 (https://mol.im/a/7303863)

after everything i heard last night, it's going to take a dark psychic force to beat trump next year LOL
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 31, 2019, 11:24:06 AM
I have now shifted my allegiance from Swalwell to Williamson!!

Marianne Williamson 'YODELS' as she gets passionate during Democratic debate - then says she will confront 'dark psychic force' and dismisses other Democrats as 'yada yada yada'

https://mol.im/a/7303863 (https://mol.im/a/7303863)

after everything i heard last night, it's going to take a dark psychic force to beat trump next year LOL

Thats a bingo!

https://youtu.be/Ugpg8XruhVk

https://youtu.be/Ugpg8XruhVk (https://youtu.be/Ugpg8XruhVk)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on July 31, 2019, 12:42:57 PM
I think I'm onto something....

Huckabee trolls Williamson, quips he might support her: 'She's got the groove!'

Gov. Mike Huckabee

@GovMikeHuckabee
 I may abandon my support of @realDonaldTrump and go w/ Marianne Willamson.  I've already lit a candle, stroked a crystal, got in yoga pose, taken deep breaths, and chanted out loud and I feeling real love right now.  She's got the groove!

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/455455-huckabee-trolls-williamson-quips-he-might-support-her-shes-got-the-groove (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/455455-huckabee-trolls-williamson-quips-he-might-support-her-shes-got-the-groove)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on July 31, 2019, 02:55:45 PM
Let's not kid ourselves any longer than we should.... this CNN clown show is all one big audition for who will end up being Biden's VP.  Unless Creepy Joe steps in it, and there's still time for it to occur, the nomination remains his to lose.

My guess is we'll see Biden/Warren bumper stickers after Super Tuesday 2020.  If Biden screws up between now and then, it may then be Harris/Warren 2020.

Time will tell.

I've been pretty clear since 2016 that my preference has been Sanders/Someone as rabid as Sanders. The contrast of Sanders versus The Tang Menace would be tailor made for oceans of popcorn and beer. Also, HRC shived Sanders so unfairly in 2016 that he deserves a 2nd chance IMHO. To quote Jefferson: "A revolution is good every now and then". Sanders wouldn't win, but sweet jeepers what a show!


My .02c
 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on July 31, 2019, 03:12:03 PM
Let's not kid ourselves any longer than we should.... this CNN clown show is all one big audition for who will end up being Biden's VP.  Unless Creepy Joe steps in it, and there's still time for it to occur, the nomination remains his to lose.

My guess is we'll see Biden/Warren bumper stickers after Super Tuesday 2020.  If Biden screws up between now and then, it may then be Harris/Warren 2020.

Time will tell.

My .02c

Is there a reason why Biden is not participating in the debates?

So far I like what I am hearing at the debates.

Decriminalizing unauthorized entry and free healthcare for illegals means free healthcare (and education and welfare) to all 6.5 BILLION people on planet Earth.

I guess the Dems weren't kidding when they promised BOLD action!


 


Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 31, 2019, 03:16:02 PM
I think I'm onto something....

Huckabee trolls Williamson, quips he might support her: 'She's got the groove!'

Gov. Mike Huckabee

@GovMikeHuckabee
 I may abandon my support of @realDonaldTrump and go w/ Marianne Willamson.  I've already lit a candle, stroked a crystal, got in yoga pose, taken deep breaths, and chanted out loud and I feeling real love right now.  She's got the groove!

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/455455-huckabee-trolls-williamson-quips-he-might-support-her-shes-got-the-groove (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/455455-huckabee-trolls-williamson-quips-he-might-support-her-shes-got-the-groove)

But tell us about the Long Beach 2020 budget

Garcia in his own proposals has recommended funding for additional programs including $600,000 for a four-person Clean Team to enhance city cleanup efforts. The mayor said Long Beach has the goal of becoming one of the cleanest big cities in the country.

“We are now aggressively cleaning corridors and streets throughout the city,” Garcia said.

https://lbpost.com/news/city/long-beach-unveils-2020-budget-with-continued-funding-for-public-safety-and-infrastructure

My comment: So I guess I’m right about the trash in LB.
Did you see that? In the budget the mayor proposes $600k for a clean team of 4. If you do the math it’s an average of $150k per person.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on July 31, 2019, 03:18:57 PM
Let's not kid ourselves any longer than we should.... this CNN clown show is all one big audition for who will end up being Biden's VP.  Unless Creepy Joe steps in it, and there's still time for it to occur, the nomination remains his to lose.

My guess is we'll see Biden/Warren bumper stickers after Super Tuesday 2020.  If Biden screws up between now and then, it may then be Harris/Warren 2020.

Time will tell.

My .02c

Is there a reason why Biden is not participating in the debates?


There is another debate tonight that includes Biden.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 01, 2019, 08:26:29 AM
That was a stage full of losers.  If you want to see a war, see what happens if Michelle my Bell enters the fray.  This whole racist shtick is setting up a Thrilla in Manila fight if rumors are true.

Michael Moore urges Michelle Obama to run against Trump

Filmmaker Michael Moore said in a new interview that there is only one candidate up to the challenge to “crush” President Trump in 2020, “and her last name rhymes with Obama.”

“In fact, it is Obama — Michelle Obama,” Moore said on MSNBC. “Everybody watching this right now knows she is a beloved American and she would go in there and she would beat him.”

Moore said it is not enough to have a Democratic candidate who will defeat Trump, noting that his 2016 Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, won 3 million more votes nationwide.

“The only way to remove Trump is to crush Trump. And that’s the question that has to be asked, who can crush Trump? Who’s the street fighter?” Moore said.

He said four of the Democratic presidential candidates — former Vice President Joe Biden, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) — could beat Trump. But he said that is not enough.

Obama, he said, would be able to crush Trump.

“She would beat him in the debates, he wouldn’t be able to bully her, he wouldn’t be able to nickname her,” he said.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/455702-michael-moore-urges-michelle-obama-to-run-against-trump (https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/455702-michael-moore-urges-michelle-obama-to-run-against-trump)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: aquabliss on August 01, 2019, 08:37:09 AM
Wouldn’t be able to nickname her?  Oh you underestimate Trumps panel of elite middle school bullies able to churn out nonsense nicknames like...

Duracell Michelle
Michelle the Carousel
What the hell, Michelle

The list goes on and on...
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: nosuchreality on August 01, 2019, 10:43:13 AM
I cringe when I hear those idiots say stuff like 'one of us has learned the lessons of the past'

Egads, Joe needs to grow a pair and slam it down on every woke idiot on the stage and in the audience that they so badly missed the lessons of the past that they can't even see that the only reason they can even have the woke discussion today is because people like Joe made the deals Joe made 40 years ago.  That their purity tests won't move the ball forward, but move it back.

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on August 01, 2019, 12:02:51 PM
I cringe when I hear those idiots say stuff like 'one of us has learned the lessons of the past'

Egads, Joe needs to grow a pair and slam it down on every woke idiot on the stage and in the audience that they so badly missed the lessons of the past that they can't even see that the only reason they can even have the woke discussion today is because people like Joe made the deals Joe made 40 years ago.  That their purity tests won't move the ball forward, but move it back.
The Dems are so transfixed on group identity that there is no way Joe, a white male, can "slam it down" on anyone and not get heckled off the stage by the mob.

I don't usually pay much attention to primary debates but with slavery reparations, open borders, relocating coastal communities inland, free money for everyone, dueling supernatural forces, etc., these debates are Emmy worthy!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 01, 2019, 01:40:47 PM
Wouldn’t be able to nickname her?  Oh you underestimate Trumps panel of elite middle school bullies able to churn out nonsense nicknames like...

Duracell Michelle
Michelle the Carousel
What the hell, Michelle

The list goes on and on...

you're hired!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on August 01, 2019, 03:18:19 PM
Yang says Dems should highlight successful immigrants as examples of the benefits of immigration instead of focusing on the plight of migrants. Other Dem candidates immediately shoot Yang down.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/yang-immigrants-debate-america-122345151.html
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 01, 2019, 04:13:28 PM
The long knives are already out for your boy...let’s see how long he can fight Smith off...

DNC attempts to block Andrew Yang from future debates with technicalities

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/dnc-attempts-to-block-andrew-yang-from-future-debates-with-technicalities/ (http://www.theamericanmirror.com/dnc-attempts-to-block-andrew-yang-from-future-debates-with-technicalities/)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 01, 2019, 04:45:15 PM
I cannot stop laughing...

Rep. Elijah Cummings’ Baltimore Home Burglarized, Police Say

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/08/01/elijah-cummingss-baltimore-home-broken-into-on-heels-of-trump-fight.html (https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/08/01/elijah-cummingss-baltimore-home-broken-into-on-heels-of-trump-fight.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 01, 2019, 05:40:39 PM
You must feel the same. Because you live in ____

I cannot stop laughing...

Rep. Elijah Cummings’ Baltimore Home Burglarized, Police Say

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/08/01/elijah-cummingss-baltimore-home-broken-into-on-heels-of-trump-fight.html (https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/08/01/elijah-cummingss-baltimore-home-broken-into-on-heels-of-trump-fight.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 01, 2019, 05:53:49 PM
I am using the same playbook. Technically I did it before. (Maybe he goes on TI and uses my marketing techniques)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 01, 2019, 05:59:49 PM
The long knives are already out for your boy...let’s see how long he can fight Smith off...

DNC attempts to block Andrew Yang from future debates with technicalities

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/dnc-attempts-to-block-andrew-yang-from-future-debates-with-technicalities/ (http://www.theamericanmirror.com/dnc-attempts-to-block-andrew-yang-from-future-debates-with-technicalities/)

where's my universal basic debates at?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 01, 2019, 06:00:52 PM
The long knives are already out for your boy...let’s see how long he can fight Smith off...

DNC attempts to block Andrew Yang from future debates with technicalities

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/dnc-attempts-to-block-andrew-yang-from-future-debates-with-technicalities/ (http://www.theamericanmirror.com/dnc-attempts-to-block-andrew-yang-from-future-debates-with-technicalities/)

where's my universal basic debates at?

Turn on the tv you dumb _________
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on August 01, 2019, 06:11:33 PM
Remember the CEO of Starbux and his Democratic independent run for the Presidency?


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-starbucks-ceo-howard-schultz-scaling-back-presidential-ambitions-for-now/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-starbucks-ceo-howard-schultz-scaling-back-presidential-ambitions-for-now/)


Either he got a super sized check to permanently bow out, or he's coming back after Labor Day as the voice of reason crying out from the wilderness. Would be interesting to see a late entry candidate post debates hop in, wisely to have missed all of the mudslinging we see today.

My .02c

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Liar Loan on August 01, 2019, 10:48:41 PM
I'm donating to Tulsi Gabbard.  She needs to be in the next debate and is pretty close to the 130,000 donor threshold.  After yesterday's debate, she was the most searched candidate on Google, so I think she also has a shot at meeting the polling threshold.  She still needs 3 more polls above 2% to qualify (already reached 2% once).

Yang only needs one more poll above 2% to qualify with four weeks left, so I think he's got it.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on August 02, 2019, 01:03:05 AM
I'm donating to Tulsi Gabbard.  She needs to be in the next debate and is pretty close to the 130,000 donor threshold.  After yesterday's debate, she was the most searched candidate on Google, so I think she also has a shot at meeting the polling threshold.  She still needs 3 more polls above 2% to qualify (already reached 2% once).

Yang only needs one more poll above 2% to qualify with four weeks left, so I think he's got it.

Also just donated to Tulsi to help her reach the donor count. It's might be tough for her to clear the polling threshold tho. There's probably 8-12 qualifying polls left. Polling margin of error could end her bid.  :'(

Yang will for sure make it tho ;D
His campaign announced getting over 500k donations and 20k new donors right after the debate.
He's also picked up a lot of twitter and reddit followers.

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: aquabliss on August 02, 2019, 03:04:47 AM
I hear a lot more chatter amongst my co-worker millennials about Yangs UBI... they say they’re voting for him strictly on that, he’s kinda the dark horse here that the DNC doesn’t want but I think he’s picking up steam.

I wish he’d start playing the Asian race card because it’s been pulled by all the other candidates multiple times (minority women pay gap, white privilege shaming, etc). 

What the heck, I could use an extra couple grand a month.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on August 02, 2019, 09:21:45 AM
I hear a lot more chatter amongst my co-worker millennials about Yangs UBI... they say they’re voting for him strictly on that, he’s kinda the dark horse here that the DNC doesn’t want but I think he’s picking up steam.

I wish he’d start playing the Asian race card because it’s been pulled by all the other candidates multiple times (minority women pay gap, white privilege shaming, etc). 

What the heck, I could use an extra couple grand a month.
Yang can't play the race card. An overeducated, overachieving, male, Asian person is the Liberals' least desirable identity.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 02, 2019, 09:31:36 AM
Williamson 2020!!  I donated just for the shear entertainment value! Better return than my Swalwell investment.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on August 02, 2019, 10:06:10 AM
I donate every morning to the Schultz campaign - Venti sized!

Gabbard is interesting to me as a qualified veteran who is realistic about our "forever war" interventionist mentality. I'd imagine she's going nowhere though once all of the Northrup/Grumman/Boeing/Hughes Aircraft/et al $$$$ is deployed against her. Too bad as her message needs to be heard by all, loud and clear.

One question I'd pay good money to hear at the next "debate" - "If you win the nomination, will you shake Donald Trump's hand during the general election debates?"

Not holding my breath though.

 
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 02, 2019, 10:38:33 AM
I hear a lot more chatter amongst my co-worker millennials about Yangs UBI... they say they’re voting for him strictly on that, he’s kinda the dark horse here that the DNC doesn’t want but I think he’s picking up steam.

I wish he’d start playing the Asian race card because it’s been pulled by all the other candidates multiple times (minority women pay gap, white privilege shaming, etc). 

What the heck, I could use an extra couple grand a month.
Yang can't play the race card. An overeducated, overachieving, male, Asian person is the Liberals' least desirable identity.

Your the one playing the race card lil happy.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 02, 2019, 10:44:54 AM
I’m sorry after reading your posts happy. I have to say you go find a hobby.
You first rant about a statue in the snowflake thread. (A complete joke) Then you talk about Yang can’t play the race card. (When did Yang ever say that?)

#michelangelostatuedavid
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 02, 2019, 10:53:01 AM
Williamson 2020!!  I donated just for the shear entertainment value! Better return than my Swalwell investment.

if history is any indicator of your $1 donations, williamson will be out in the next week or so  ;D
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 02, 2019, 11:01:49 AM
Williamson 2020!!  I donated just for the shear entertainment value! Better return than my Swalwell investment.

if history is any indicator of your $1 donations, williamson will be out in the next week or so  ;D

Noooooooo

https://youtu.be/8WO6_IiZ_WI

https://youtu.be/8WO6_IiZ_WI (https://youtu.be/8WO6_IiZ_WI)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 02, 2019, 11:04:36 AM
kamala got shellacked so badly by tulsi the other night that the cdcr is now trying to play cover for her...sad!

Quote
California Removes Arrest Reports From Kamala Years

A redesign of the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation website will make it harder for voters to inspect Sen. Kamala Harris's controversial record as the state's top cop.

The department removed public access to a number of reports on incarceration in the state, including when presidential candidate Kamala Harris (D.) was California's attorney general. Twice a year, the CDCR releases information about the number of new individuals incarcerated in the California prison system as part of its "Offender Data Points" series. These reports provide important information on demographics, sentence length, offense type, and other figures relevant to criminal justice and incarceration.

Until recently, these reports were publicly available at the CDCR's website. A search using archive.org's Wayback Machine reveals that as of April 25, 2019—the most recent indexed date—ODP reports were available dating back to the spring of 2009. As of August 2019, the same web page now serves only a single ODP report, the one for Spring 2019. The pre-2019 reports have been removed.

The changes matter in part because the reports contain information about Harris's entire time as state A.G., 2011 to 2017. Harris has taken fire from multiple opponents for her "tough on crime" record as California's top cop, an image that she has tried to shed as a far-left senator and presidential candidate.

One particularly brutal attack came Wednesday night when Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D., Hi.) laid into Harris for her record on criminal justice. Gabbard cited a Washington Free Beacon analysis — based in part on the ODP reports — that found that more than 1,500 Californians were sent to prison for marijuana-related offenses while Harris was attorney general.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/california-removes-arrest-reports-from-kamala-years/ (https://freebeacon.com/politics/california-removes-arrest-reports-from-kamala-years/)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 02, 2019, 11:13:22 AM
I think I'm onto something....

Huckabee trolls Williamson, quips he might support her: 'She's got the groove!'

Gov. Mike Huckabee

@GovMikeHuckabee
 I may abandon my support of @realDonaldTrump and go w/ Marianne Willamson.  I've already lit a candle, stroked a crystal, got in yoga pose, taken deep breaths, and chanted out loud and I feeling real love right now.  She's got the groove!

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/455455-huckabee-trolls-williamson-quips-he-might-support-her-shes-got-the-groove (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/455455-huckabee-trolls-williamson-quips-he-might-support-her-shes-got-the-groove)

But tell us about the Long Beach 2020 budget

Garcia in his own proposals has recommended funding for additional programs including $600,000 for a four-person Clean Team to enhance city cleanup efforts. The mayor said Long Beach has the goal of becoming one of the cleanest big cities in the country.

“We are now aggressively cleaning corridors and streets throughout the city,” Garcia said.

https://lbpost.com/news/city/long-beach-unveils-2020-budget-with-continued-funding-for-public-safety-and-infrastructure

My comment: So I guess I’m right about the trash in LB.
Did you see that? In the budget the mayor proposes $600k for a clean team of 4. If you do the math it’s an average of $150k per person.

I thought Morekas will make LB great again? (A republican that takes no action living in LB)

Supposingly he has great ideas, but can’t fix the city he lives in.
(Always complain, but never finds a solution. You all deal with people like this.)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 02, 2019, 11:25:37 AM
Only news if the guy doing the beatdown (ala Smollet) is wearing a MAGA cap.  Otherwise the media ignores it and assumes he deserved it.  Good people on both sides?

Man says he was beaten in NYC for wearing MAGA hat

NEW YORK (FOX 5 NY) - A New York City art gallery owner says he was viciously beaten in Manhattan by a large group of teens for wearing a "Make America Great Again" hat.

Jahangir "John" Turan, 42, says it happened Tuesday evening on Canal Street.  He was wearing the MAGA hat that he had purchased earlier in the day at Trump Tower.

"I love President Trump.  I think he's doing a great job," Turan said.

http://www.fox5ny.com/news/maga-hat-beating (http://www.fox5ny.com/news/maga-hat-beating)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 02, 2019, 11:29:15 AM
I think I'm onto something....

Huckabee trolls Williamson, quips he might support her: 'She's got the groove!'

Gov. Mike Huckabee

@GovMikeHuckabee
 I may abandon my support of @realDonaldTrump and go w/ Marianne Willamson.  I've already lit a candle, stroked a crystal, got in yoga pose, taken deep breaths, and chanted out loud and I feeling real love right now.  She's got the groove!

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/455455-huckabee-trolls-williamson-quips-he-might-support-her-shes-got-the-groove (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/455455-huckabee-trolls-williamson-quips-he-might-support-her-shes-got-the-groove)

But tell us about the Long Beach 2020 budget

Garcia in his own proposals has recommended funding for additional programs including $600,000 for a four-person Clean Team to enhance city cleanup efforts. The mayor said Long Beach has the goal of becoming one of the cleanest big cities in the country.

“We are now aggressively cleaning corridors and streets throughout the city,” Garcia said.

https://lbpost.com/news/city/long-beach-unveils-2020-budget-with-continued-funding-for-public-safety-and-infrastructure

My comment: So I guess I’m right about the trash in LB.
Did you see that? In the budget the mayor proposes $600k for a clean team of 4. If you do the math it’s an average of $150k per person.

I thought Morekas will make LB great again? (A republican that takes no action living in LB)

Supposingly he has great ideas, but can’t fix the city he lives in.
(Always complain, but never finds a solution. You all deal with people like this.)
Wow! A guesstimate $150k a year to pick up trash forget going to grad school kids. Better yet forget college. Lol (Note:guesstimate based on the $600k proposed budget to hire 4 people, not factoring potential equipment or admin costs)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Liar Loan on August 03, 2019, 01:30:25 PM
kamala got shellacked so badly by tulsi the other night that the cdcr is now trying to play cover for her...sad!

Quote
California Removes Arrest Reports From Kamala Years

A redesign of the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation website will make it harder for voters to inspect Sen. Kamala Harris's controversial record as the state's top cop.

The department removed public access to a number of reports on incarceration in the state, including when presidential candidate Kamala Harris (D.) was California's attorney general. Twice a year, the CDCR releases information about the number of new individuals incarcerated in the California prison system as part of its "Offender Data Points" series. These reports provide important information on demographics, sentence length, offense type, and other figures relevant to criminal justice and incarceration.

Until recently, these reports were publicly available at the CDCR's website. A search using archive.org's Wayback Machine reveals that as of April 25, 2019—the most recent indexed date—ODP reports were available dating back to the spring of 2009. As of August 2019, the same web page now serves only a single ODP report, the one for Spring 2019. The pre-2019 reports have been removed.

The changes matter in part because the reports contain information about Harris's entire time as state A.G., 2011 to 2017. Harris has taken fire from multiple opponents for her "tough on crime" record as California's top cop, an image that she has tried to shed as a far-left senator and presidential candidate.

One particularly brutal attack came Wednesday night when Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D., Hi.) laid into Harris for her record on criminal justice. Gabbard cited a Washington Free Beacon analysis — based in part on the ODP reports — that found that more than 1,500 Californians were sent to prison for marijuana-related offenses while Harris was attorney general.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/california-removes-arrest-reports-from-kamala-years/ (https://freebeacon.com/politics/california-removes-arrest-reports-from-kamala-years/)

I think the black community sees right through her, and it's very difficult to win the Dem nomination without black support.

According to the RCP polling average in South Carolina, she is trailing behind two white males (Biden, Sanders) and barely ahead of a white female (Warren).  If she can't win South Carolina, then she can't win, period. 

After the shellacking she took from Tulsi, I don't see Harris' polling going anywhere but down, at least until the next debate.  Her problem now is she already played the "school busing" race card to get a short lived boost against Biden, so how does she get another break out moment in a future debate?   Running on her record as AG?  I don't think so.  Running on her policy knowledge?  Please...

Kamala is basically a poor man's Hillary.  She's trying to play both sides of every issue, but the problem is she doesn't have the talent for lying to the public that the Clinton's had.  There's no way Hillary would have taken that beating from Tulsi without some good retorts.  Kamala failed to prepare a strong defense of her own record and policy proposals, and it showed.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Liar Loan on August 04, 2019, 10:24:33 PM
Trump Support Up This Week Among Black Voters
Quote
President Trump triggered a media firestorm when he criticized a longtime Democratic congressman’s job performance, saying his Baltimore district is “a rat and rodent infested mess” and “the worst run and most dangerous anywhere in the United States.”

The president has since pointed out that many of the country’s major cities have similar problems, and nearly all have been run for years by Democrats. Democratic leaders responded by calling Trump a racist, but media interviews in Baltimore and elsewhere found black residents asking the same questions the president is asking.

Like most Republicans, Trump has struggled to attract black voters, but this week’s surveying for the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll has found a bump in black support for the president.

http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/july_2019/trump_support_up_this_week_among_black_voters (http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/july_2019/trump_support_up_this_week_among_black_voters)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 04, 2019, 10:27:41 PM
Uh yeah go help Morekas in LB and make it great. I mean come on.

Trump Support Up This Week Among Black Voters
Quote
President Trump triggered a media firestorm when he criticized a longtime Democratic congressman’s job performance, saying his Baltimore district is “a rat and rodent infested mess” and “the worst run and most dangerous anywhere in the United States.”

The president has since pointed out that many of the country’s major cities have similar problems, and nearly all have been run for years by Democrats. Democratic leaders responded by calling Trump a racist, but media interviews in Baltimore and elsewhere found black residents asking the same questions the president is asking.

Like most Republicans, Trump has struggled to attract black voters, but this week’s surveying for the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll has found a bump in black support for the president.

http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/july_2019/trump_support_up_this_week_among_black_voters (http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/july_2019/trump_support_up_this_week_among_black_voters)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Liar Loan on August 05, 2019, 06:53:09 PM
Uh yeah go help Morekas in LB and make it great. I mean come on.

Trump Support Up This Week Among Black Voters
Quote
President Trump triggered a media firestorm when he criticized a longtime Democratic congressman’s job performance, saying his Baltimore district is “a rat and rodent infested mess” and “the worst run and most dangerous anywhere in the United States.”

The president has since pointed out that many of the country’s major cities have similar problems, and nearly all have been run for years by Democrats. Democratic leaders responded by calling Trump a racist, but media interviews in Baltimore and elsewhere found black residents asking the same questions the president is asking.

Like most Republicans, Trump has struggled to attract black voters, but this week’s surveying for the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll has found a bump in black support for the president.

http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/july_2019/trump_support_up_this_week_among_black_voters (http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/july_2019/trump_support_up_this_week_among_black_voters)

This may surprise the sheltered folks that post here, but Long Beach already is a great city!!  There is so much more culture and imagination than you'll ever experience in Irvine.  The LBC is seriously going through a renaissance.

What you should be focusing on is making Irvine great again.  The "safest city" has lost its prestige ever since they went high density starting in the late 90's / early 2000's.  Crime is higher.  Test scores are dropping.  Much of the infrastructure is aging and looks like a late 80's hell hole.  Some of the new developments look like they were erected in the Soviet bloc.

A big, orange balloon that goes nowhere is a sad symbol of what Irvine has become.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 05, 2019, 11:32:23 PM
Uh yeah go help Morekas in LB and make it great. I mean come on.

Trump Support Up This Week Among Black Voters
Quote
President Trump triggered a media firestorm when he criticized a longtime Democratic congressman’s job performance, saying his Baltimore district is “a rat and rodent infested mess” and “the worst run and most dangerous anywhere in the United States.”

The president has since pointed out that many of the country’s major cities have similar problems, and nearly all have been run for years by Democrats. Democratic leaders responded by calling Trump a racist, but media interviews in Baltimore and elsewhere found black residents asking the same questions the president is asking.

Like most Republicans, Trump has struggled to attract black voters, but this week’s surveying for the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll has found a bump in black support for the president.

http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/july_2019/trump_support_up_this_week_among_black_voters (http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/july_2019/trump_support_up_this_week_among_black_voters)

This may surprise the sheltered folks that post here, but Long Beach already is a great city!!  There is so much more culture and imagination than you'll ever experience in Irvine.  The LBC is seriously going through a renaissance.

What you should be focusing on is making Irvine great again.  The "safest city" has lost its prestige ever since they went high density starting in the late 90's / early 2000's.  Crime is higher.  Test scores are dropping.  Much of the infrastructure is aging and looks like a late 80's hell hole.  Some of the new developments look like they were erected in the Soviet bloc.

A big, orange balloon that goes nowhere is a sad symbol of what Irvine has become.

For a second you sounded credible then you used the words renaissance and imagination.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 06, 2019, 09:21:46 AM
So what happened to Russia, Russia, Russia!!!?  or Impeach, impeach, impeach!!? That's so last month.  Now it's White Supremacist, White Supremacist, White Supremacist!!!..Racist, racist racist!!!..has lost its punch..like I said (wolf, wolf wolf!). ridiculous.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 06, 2019, 09:31:15 AM
So what happened to Russia, Russia, Russia!!!?  or Impeach, impeach, impeach!!? That's so last month.  Now it's White Supremacist, White Supremacist, White Supremacist!!!..Racist, racist racist!!!..has lost its punch..like I said (wolf, wolf wolf!). ridiculous.

Kick back Moscow Morekas. Tell Team Mitch to pass the election security bill.

Btw: for the the readers out there Morekas is not white

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 06, 2019, 09:32:10 AM
Morekas it’s time to take your meds.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 06, 2019, 10:09:58 AM
Seriously, don't you think it odd that 24/7 Russia, Russia, Russia is....gone?  Like a fart in the wind, its totally disappeared.  Do you think that maybe because it was never really an issue?  It's like Kaiser Soze,  like that...its gone.

https://youtu.be/IkJqKOb0ZhY

https://youtu.be/IkJqKOb0ZhY (https://youtu.be/IkJqKOb0ZhY)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 06, 2019, 10:16:53 AM
DeSantis: Russians accessed 2 Florida voting databases
Russian hackers gained access to voter databases in two Florida counties ahead of the 2016 presidential election, Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis said at a news conference Tuesday.

DeSantis said the hackers didn’t manipulate any data and the election results weren’t compromised. He and officials from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement were briefed by the FBI and Department of Homeland Security on Friday.

The governor said he signed an agreement with the FBI not to disclose the names of the counties, but elections officials in those counties are aware of the intrusions.

Rubio said Tuesday that he’s repeatedly voiced concerns since last spring about overconfidence among some Florida election officials and has urged them to take cyber threats seriously.

“These are nation state threats with significant resources and assets at their disposal,” Rubio said. “Florida is a major swing state that often decides presidential elections, making us a top target.”

https://www.apnews.com/a2af9039533b42bba0e4e04af11ecd67

Tell Mitch to pass the election bill for more security.
We don’t trust you Morekas!

Seriously, don't you think it odd that 24/7 Russia, Russia, Russia is....gone?  Like a fart in the wind, its totally disappeared.  Do you think that maybe because it was never really an issue?  It's like Kaiser Soze,  like that...its gone.

https://youtu.be/IkJqKOb0ZhY

https://youtu.be/IkJqKOb0ZhY (https://youtu.be/IkJqKOb0ZhY)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Cares on August 06, 2019, 02:26:10 PM
Seriously, don't you think it odd that 24/7 Russia, Russia, Russia is....gone?  Like a fart in the wind, its totally disappeared.  Do you think that maybe because it was never really an issue?  It's like Kaiser Soze,  like that...its gone.

https://youtu.be/IkJqKOb0ZhY

https://youtu.be/IkJqKOb0ZhY (https://youtu.be/IkJqKOb0ZhY)

It's more a function of the general American public can only handle 1 or 2 topics at a time. Not because people are dumb but people are busy with their everyday life. I think I'm educated but I barely have time to keep up with what's happening.

Are you suggesting that Russia is not influencing our elections or are you suggesting that it doesn't matter that they are influencing our elections?

The same goes with other topics that you seem to marginalize like white supremacists shooting up supermarkets, schools, and churches? Are you suggesting that these aren't real issues?

Edit: What happened to the 24/7 coverage of "the caravan is coming"? Once again, obviously the hot topic at hand is what makes the news.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 06, 2019, 02:49:14 PM
So what the verdict after this last round of debates?

Has the Dems figured who is going to take out Trump? No matter who it is, I'm voting for them, but it's going to take more than my vote to beat him.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 06, 2019, 02:55:35 PM
Seriously, don't you think it odd that 24/7 Russia, Russia, Russia is....gone?  Like a fart in the wind, its totally disappeared.  Do you think that maybe because it was never really an issue?  It's like Kaiser Soze,  like that...its gone.

https://youtu.be/IkJqKOb0ZhY

https://youtu.be/IkJqKOb0ZhY (https://youtu.be/IkJqKOb0ZhY)

It's more a function of the general American public can only handle 1 or 2 topics at a time. Not because people are dumb but people are busy with their everyday life. I think I'm educated but I barely have time to keep up with what's happening.

Are you suggesting that Russia is not influencing our elections or are you suggesting that it doesn't matter that they are influencing our elections?

The same goes with other topics that you seem to marginalize like white supremacists shooting up supermarkets, schools, and churches? Are you suggesting that these aren't real issues?

Edit: What happened to the 24/7 coverage of "the caravan is coming"? Once again, obviously the hot topic at hand is what makes the news.

I don’t know what to say.

election security: sounds like there’s a problem and we can all hope they fix it.

national security issues: foreign and domestic a person can say he’s not strong. Foreign: He is making excuses for Kim jung shooting rockets like fireworks. Iran shot down our state of the art drone (best in the world drone) and nothing was done about that.
Domestically it’s like a mess. (Opioids/drug problem, crime, and gun violence) Our roads and bridges our not good and there needs to be like a broadband upgrade for rural parts that’s what I hear. I thought he was going to do an infrastructure deal, but he pulled out. (I heard too much pressure from the republicans or something.)

Trade: The grade is not looking good. He keeps on going back and forth close to a deal and not even close to a deal. Tell him to stop subsidizing US farms. That’s like sending them checks for not even selling nothing. I guess trying to negotiate a deal with China at a McDonalds is not going so well. Lol (he said that during his campaign)

My thoughts in past election. Donald won and Hilary loss. (she loss due to strategy such as not stepping in Wisconsin)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 06, 2019, 03:07:41 PM
Like a fart in the wind, its totally disappeared.

Depends on the farter.

Mine smell like roses of course.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: nosuchreality on August 06, 2019, 04:12:24 PM
So what the verdict after this last round of debates?

Has the Dems figured who is going to take out Trump? No matter who it is, I'm voting for them, but it's going to take more than my vote to beat him.

I fail to see how someone like Harris is better than Trump.  Seriously, she is Trump with different dog whistles.  Trump is dispicable and needs to be gone.  Replacing him with Harris though, i worry how even more devisive the next four year.s would be over just having Trump.  I worry of all the Trump on roid Beto O'Rouke-esque far right responders that would rise.

Have you actually read her social.media posts?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 06, 2019, 04:17:31 PM
So what the verdict after this last round of debates?

Has the Dems figured who is going to take out Trump? No matter who it is, I'm voting for them, but it's going to take more than my vote to beat him.

so when marianne williamson wins the nomination, will you support her dark psychic forces?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: zubs on August 06, 2019, 04:33:28 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/13xurd.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 06, 2019, 04:58:41 PM
can't wait to see how this one turns out!

Quote
Trump, RNC Sue California Over Tax-Return Law
Lawsuits claim a new requirement for making the state’s presidential primary ballot is unconstitutional

WASHINGTON—President Trump and his re-election campaign filed a federal lawsuit Tuesday challenging a new California law requiring presidential candidates to make public their tax returns in order to appear on the state’s primary-election ballot.

Mr. Trump didn’t release his tax returns during the 2016 election, a departure from longstanding practice by candidates, and has refused congressional Democrats’ demands that he do so. He has said he is under audit, though that wouldn’t preclude him from releasing the records.

The suit contends that the U.S. Constitution sets qualifications for the president and that states don’t have power to supplement them. It also raises First Amendment concerns and asserts the California law is driven by partisanship.

“The Democratic Party is on a crusade to obtain the president’s federal tax returns in hopes of finding something they can use to harm him politically,” according to the complaint filed in the Eastern District of California. “In their rush to join this crusade, California Democrats have run afoul of these restrictions on state power over federal elections.”

The suit was filed against California Secretary of State Alex Padilla and the state’s attorney general, Xavier Becerra, both Democrats. A representative for Mr. Becerra didn’t respond to requests for comment.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-rnc-sue-california-over-tax-return-law-11565122995 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-rnc-sue-california-over-tax-return-law-11565122995)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 06, 2019, 05:53:00 PM
Well, I’m hoping the Dems will weed out the bad choices.

If not, I’ll vote Libertarian. :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 06, 2019, 09:44:21 PM
Well, I’m hoping the Dems will weed out the bad choices.

If not, I’ll vote Libertarian. :)

Go Howard Schultz?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 06, 2019, 11:55:43 PM
can't wait to see how this one turns out!

Quote
Trump, RNC Sue California Over Tax-Return Law
Lawsuits claim a new requirement for making the state’s presidential primary ballot is unconstitutional

WASHINGTON—President Trump and his re-election campaign filed a federal lawsuit Tuesday challenging a new California law requiring presidential candidates to make public their tax returns in order to appear on the state’s primary-election ballot.

Mr. Trump didn’t release his tax returns during the 2016 election, a departure from longstanding practice by candidates, and has refused congressional Democrats’ demands that he do so. He has said he is under audit, though that wouldn’t preclude him from releasing the records.

The suit contends that the U.S. Constitution sets qualifications for the president and that states don’t have power to supplement them. It also raises First Amendment concerns and asserts the California law is driven by partisanship.

“The Democratic Party is on a crusade to obtain the president’s federal tax returns in hopes of finding something they can use to harm him politically,” according to the complaint filed in the Eastern District of California. “In their rush to join this crusade, California Democrats have run afoul of these restrictions on state power over federal elections.”

The suit was filed against California Secretary of State Alex Padilla and the state’s attorney general, Xavier Becerra, both Democrats. A representative for Mr. Becerra didn’t respond to requests for comment.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-rnc-sue-california-over-tax-return-law-11565122995 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-rnc-sue-california-over-tax-return-law-11565122995)

Unconstitutional, they will throw this out on its head, Mark my words.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 07, 2019, 11:53:58 AM
Yes yes, everybody is a racist and everything is racial.  Lets now only point out those that are not racist since they are the minority in the world, the real unicorns. Or better yet everyone should be racist...then no one will be. This racist thing is getting old, it is losing its punch when used to shame everyone who doesn't agree with you into shutting up and getting in line, comrade.  Racist used to be a real horrible, extreme label to call someone, now it gets thrown around like a used rag.

It is still a horrible and extreme label to call someone...it's just that Trumpsters take it as a badge of courage and view classic racists remarks as totally okay.  Trumpsters love Trump because he says what they have always thought but was social prohibited from saying.

The bar is so low for Trump and Trumpsters that nothing matters except they get to feel victimized and attack anyone they want however they want. 

It's fine, you already said that you don't care if Trump is racist so I don't expect you to care or understand.


This is exactly what I was getting at.  By overusing the term it has lost its impact...and meaning.

Media cried wolf: Calling every Republican a racist lost its bite

Once upon a time in the world of cable news, a guest or host or anchor calling anyone a racist would have considerable impact.

From what we've seen this week, when it comes to that word, those days are long gone. A person simply can't turn on the news or scroll Twitterfor even more than a minute before hearing the word "racist" or "racism."

For example, CNN and MSNBC said the word "racist" more than 1,100 times from Sunday to Tuesday, according to a tally conducted by Grabien Media, an online media production and news prep service.

Now we're seeing it again — and again, and again. Thousands of times in the past week we've heard or read to the word "racist" or have seen it blatantly implied.

Call it, "The Media That Cried Wolf."

And we all know what happened to the boy who cried wolf too often: People stopped listening. 

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/453892-media-cried-wolf-calling-every-republican-a-racist-lost-its-bite (https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/453892-media-cried-wolf-calling-every-republican-a-racist-lost-its-bite)

I'm telling you, now that everyone is racist...no one is.  Now the trigger word of the day is "White Supremacist" . Racist has (as predicted) lost its shock value...now lets see how long this label lasts..so predictable but this little word game is wearing on the electorate.  People are getting sick of this words with non-friends.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 07, 2019, 12:07:25 PM
Yes yes, everybody is a racist and everything is racial.  Lets now only point out those that are not racist since they are the minority in the world, the real unicorns. Or better yet everyone should be racist...then no one will be. This racist thing is getting old, it is losing its punch when used to shame everyone who doesn't agree with you into shutting up and getting in line, comrade.  Racist used to be a real horrible, extreme label to call someone, now it gets thrown around like a used rag.

It is still a horrible and extreme label to call someone...it's just that Trumpsters take it as a badge of courage and view classic racists remarks as totally okay.  Trumpsters love Trump because he says what they have always thought but was social prohibited from saying.

The bar is so low for Trump and Trumpsters that nothing matters except they get to feel victimized and attack anyone they want however they want. 

It's fine, you already said that you don't care if Trump is racist so I don't expect you to care or understand.


This is exactly what I was getting at.  By overusing the term it has lost its impact...and meaning.

Media cried wolf: Calling every Republican a racist lost its bite

Once upon a time in the world of cable news, a guest or host or anchor calling anyone a racist would have considerable impact.

From what we've seen this week, when it comes to that word, those days are long gone. A person simply can't turn on the news or scroll Twitterfor even more than a minute before hearing the word "racist" or "racism."

For example, CNN and MSNBC said the word "racist" more than 1,100 times from Sunday to Tuesday, according to a tally conducted by Grabien Media, an online media production and news prep service.

Now we're seeing it again — and again, and again. Thousands of times in the past week we've heard or read to the word "racist" or have seen it blatantly implied.

Call it, "The Media That Cried Wolf."

And we all know what happened to the boy who cried wolf too often: People stopped listening. 

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/453892-media-cried-wolf-calling-every-republican-a-racist-lost-its-bite (https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/453892-media-cried-wolf-calling-every-republican-a-racist-lost-its-bite)

I'm telling you, now that everyone is racist...no one is.  Now the trigger word of the day is "White Supremacist" . Racist has (as predicted) lost its shock value...now lets see how long this label lasts..so predictable but this little word game is wearing on the electorate.  People are getting sick of this words with non-friends.

You targeted blacks, gay, handicaps, and Latinos in the Snowflake thread. Nothing new.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 07, 2019, 01:13:15 PM
Cakeist!!  White cake supremist!!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 07, 2019, 01:25:33 PM
Cakeist!!  White cake supremist!!

But your asian or shall I say from an island. (Not Japan or Korea)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 07, 2019, 01:28:53 PM
I’m Not Cakeist!! I declared my position earlier. I love all cakes, all flavors.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 07, 2019, 01:35:54 PM
I’m Not Cakeist!! I declared my position earlier. I love all cakes, all flavors.

You say that, but your posts don’t show it. (Snowflake thread)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 07, 2019, 02:29:26 PM
sometimes i get ants that come to eat my cake.  i've known for a while that my weak cake box was being taken advantage of.  i want to fix my cake box but for some reason there are other people that don't want me to fix my cake box because they think the ants deserve to eat my cake.  what do you guys think i should do?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 07, 2019, 02:59:59 PM
Build a cake box wall!! :)

Edit: Although we all know that walls can't stop ants.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 07, 2019, 03:07:08 PM
More like you got ants in your pants!
(Let’s go! You like that Mety?)  ;)

sometimes i get ants that come to eat my cake.  i've known for a while that my weak cake box was being taken advantage of.  i want to fix my cake box but for some reason there are other people that don't want me to fix my cake box because they think the ants deserve to eat my cake.  what do you guys think i should do?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 07, 2019, 03:17:22 PM
I imagine you worked hard baking that cake using ingredients you bought yourself. I’m sure you are willing to share that cake but resent all the ants just taking pieces and carrying them home to their nest. They should make their own cake, or at least ask for a piece of yours instead of just taking it, that’s just rude.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on August 07, 2019, 05:05:27 PM
Not wanting to add too much kerosene to the debate, but is a fruitcake just a pie that hasn't transitioned to becoming a cake yet?

Asking for a friend.... someone who thinks a hotdog is a sandwich, the dress is blue, not white, and the answer to that math question was 16 and not 1.

SGIP
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 07, 2019, 05:20:32 PM
I think fruitcake along with upside down cake need our support and care the most. They straddle the line of cake and pie.  To not affirm them would be insensitive. They are our transitioning uhhh they’s.  I love them along with their trans comrades cheese and custard cakes! Those who do not declare so here are also cake oppressors and cakeists!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on August 07, 2019, 05:40:07 PM
Back somewhat on topic, I'm sure everyone is going to read the headlines about "ORANGE COUNTY NOW HAS A MAJORITY OF REGISTERED DEMOCRATS".... which then means of course that it's Biden for the GOLD! At least the media thinks so.

Having lived in OC for well over a half century and a student of local history, I remember the last time when Orange County had a majority of Democrats, at least in the more populated parts of the County.

https://fullertonobserver.com/2019/01/07/a-brief-history-of-the-ku-klux-klan-in-orange-county-notes-on-the-banality-of-evil/ (https://fullertonobserver.com/2019/01/07/a-brief-history-of-the-ku-klux-klan-in-orange-county-notes-on-the-banality-of-evil/)

Now before everyone bunches up their panties, we all know the D's today are not a mirror image to the ones OC had 99 years ago. Odd coincidence however. As it's been said - History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme".

My .02c
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 07, 2019, 06:02:17 PM
this film is very timely and appropriate for today!  the most dangerous game, maga style!

Quote
Hollywood blockbuster that satirizes killing of ‘deplorables’ causes outrage: ‘Demented and evil’

A controversial movie about privileged vacationers hunting “deplorables” for sport is ruffling feathers more than a month before its scheduled release and after tragic mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio.

“The Hunt” is billed as a satire that follows wealthy thrill-seekers taking a private jet to a five-star resort where they embark on a “deeply rewarding” expedition that involves hunting down and killing designated humans. The Hollywood Reporter reported on Tuesday that “Universal is re-evaluating its strategy for the certain-to-be-controversial satire" following the shootings after ESPN reportedly pulled a trailer for the film that had been previously cleared to air on the sports network.

“The violent, R-rated film from producer Jason Blum's Blumhouse follows a dozen MAGA types who wake up in a clearing and realize they are being stalked for sport by elite liberals,” THR’s Kim Masters wrote. “It features guns blazing along with other ultra-violent killings as the elites pick off their prey.”

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/the-hunt-movie-deplorables (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/the-hunt-movie-deplorables)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 07, 2019, 07:27:04 PM
Looks like your the fruitcake with the purple bold font.

I think fruitcake along with upside down cake need our support and care the most. They straddle the line of cake and pie.  To not affirm them would be insensitive. They are our transitioning uhhh they’s.  I love them along with their trans comrades cheese and custard cakes! Those who do not declare so here are also cake oppressors and cakeists!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: nosuchreality on August 07, 2019, 07:58:33 PM
Hey, Ice went raiding.  multi-billion business getting stung with a few hundred arrests.

No execs involved...

Pathetic.  You want to stop illegal immigration, put those C-levels in cuffs and march them to the back seat of a patrol car.  Charge them under RICO.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 07, 2019, 10:20:22 PM
Looks like your the fruitcake with the purple bold font.

I think fruitcake along with upside down cake need our support and care the most. They straddle the line of cake and pie.  To not affirm them would be insensitive. They are our transitioning uhhh they’s.  I love them along with their trans comrades cheese and custard cakes! Those who do not declare so here are also cake oppressors and cakeists!

What does this mean?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 08, 2019, 09:52:18 AM
Smith has taken control....they are doomed...Trump 2020!!

‘The Squad’ Is the Future of the Democratic Party

All of them, along with some other Democrats, have called for the outright abolition of Immigration and Customs Enforcement because of its widely publicized mistreatment of migrant families and children.

The squad understands that “diversity” is meaningless if the measure of success is “sameness.” The congresswomen are choosing to do politics a different way because they recognize that Congress has never worked for their communities.

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/in-depth/the-squad-is-the-future-of-the-democratic-party/ar-AAFwITa (https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/in-depth/the-squad-is-the-future-of-the-democratic-party/ar-AAFwITa)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on August 08, 2019, 10:03:50 AM
this film is very timely and appropriate for today!  the most dangerous game, maga style!

Quote
Hollywood blockbuster that satirizes killing of ‘deplorables’ causes outrage: ‘Demented and evil’

A controversial movie about privileged vacationers hunting “deplorables” for sport is ruffling feathers more than a month before its scheduled release and after tragic mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio.

“The Hunt” is billed as a satire that follows wealthy thrill-seekers taking a private jet to a five-star resort where they embark on a “deeply rewarding” expedition that involves hunting down and killing designated humans. The Hollywood Reporter reported on Tuesday that “Universal is re-evaluating its strategy for the certain-to-be-controversial satire" following the shootings after ESPN reportedly pulled a trailer for the film that had been previously cleared to air on the sports network.

“The violent, R-rated film from producer Jason Blum's Blumhouse follows a dozen MAGA types who wake up in a clearing and realize they are being stalked for sport by elite liberals,” THR’s Kim Masters wrote. “It features guns blazing along with other ultra-violent killings as the elites pick off their prey.”

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/the-hunt-movie-deplorables (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/the-hunt-movie-deplorables)

What?!?! They made a movie out of fortune11's summer vacation?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 08, 2019, 10:29:11 AM
this film is very timely and appropriate for today!  the most dangerous game, maga style!

Quote
Hollywood blockbuster that satirizes killing of ‘deplorables’ causes outrage: ‘Demented and evil’

A controversial movie about privileged vacationers hunting “deplorables” for sport is ruffling feathers more than a month before its scheduled release and after tragic mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio.

“The Hunt” is billed as a satire that follows wealthy thrill-seekers taking a private jet to a five-star resort where they embark on a “deeply rewarding” expedition that involves hunting down and killing designated humans. The Hollywood Reporter reported on Tuesday that “Universal is re-evaluating its strategy for the certain-to-be-controversial satire" following the shootings after ESPN reportedly pulled a trailer for the film that had been previously cleared to air on the sports network.

“The violent, R-rated film from producer Jason Blum's Blumhouse follows a dozen MAGA types who wake up in a clearing and realize they are being stalked for sport by elite liberals,” THR’s Kim Masters wrote. “It features guns blazing along with other ultra-violent killings as the elites pick off their prey.”

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/the-hunt-movie-deplorables (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/the-hunt-movie-deplorables)

What?!?! They made a movie out of fortune11's summer vacation?

The give back is the deplorables win in the end and kill their captors.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 08, 2019, 01:05:20 PM
this film is very timely and appropriate for today!  the most dangerous game, maga style!

Quote
Hollywood blockbuster that satirizes killing of ‘deplorables’ causes outrage: ‘Demented and evil’

A controversial movie about privileged vacationers hunting “deplorables” for sport is ruffling feathers more than a month before its scheduled release and after tragic mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio.

“The Hunt” is billed as a satire that follows wealthy thrill-seekers taking a private jet to a five-star resort where they embark on a “deeply rewarding” expedition that involves hunting down and killing designated humans. The Hollywood Reporter reported on Tuesday that “Universal is re-evaluating its strategy for the certain-to-be-controversial satire" following the shootings after ESPN reportedly pulled a trailer for the film that had been previously cleared to air on the sports network.

“The violent, R-rated film from producer Jason Blum's Blumhouse follows a dozen MAGA types who wake up in a clearing and realize they are being stalked for sport by elite liberals,” THR’s Kim Masters wrote. “It features guns blazing along with other ultra-violent killings as the elites pick off their prey.”

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/the-hunt-movie-deplorables (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/the-hunt-movie-deplorables)

What?!?! They made a movie out of fortune11's summer vacation?

The give back is the deplorables win in the end and kill their captors.

spoiler: we already knew they won in the end  ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 09, 2019, 09:59:24 AM
oh joe....not again...

Quote
Biden says ‘poor kids’ just as bright as ‘white kids’ in latest gaffe

Former Vice President Joe Biden, the 2020 Democratic primary frontrunner, made another gaffe Thursday when he told a crowd in Iowa that “poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids.”

Biden, who famously directed supporters to a wrong number during last month’s debate -- and recently misidentified the sites of recent mass shootings -- quickly corrected himself after some applause from the crowd at the Asian & Latino Coalition PAC, and finished, “wealthy kids, black kids, Asian kids.”

Biden, who in 2006 drew criticism with a comment about Indian-Americans moving to Delaware, the state that Biden represented when he served in the U.S. Senate, also told a crowd at the Iowa State Fair that “we choose science over fiction. We choose truth over facts.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-says-poor-kids-just-as-bright-as-white-kids-in-latest-gaffe (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-says-poor-kids-just-as-bright-as-white-kids-in-latest-gaffe)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 09, 2019, 10:44:09 AM
oh joe....not again...

Quote
Biden says ‘poor kids’ just as bright as ‘white kids’ in latest gaffe

Former Vice President Joe Biden, the 2020 Democratic primary frontrunner, made another gaffe Thursday when he told a crowd in Iowa that “poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids.”

Biden, who famously directed supporters to a wrong number during last month’s debate -- and recently misidentified the sites of recent mass shootings -- quickly corrected himself after some applause from the crowd at the Asian & Latino Coalition PAC, and finished, “wealthy kids, black kids, Asian kids.”

Biden, who in 2006 drew criticism with a comment about Indian-Americans moving to Delaware, the state that Biden represented when he served in the U.S. Senate, also told a crowd at the Iowa State Fair that “we choose science over fiction. We choose truth over facts.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-says-poor-kids-just-as-bright-as-white-kids-in-latest-gaffe (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-says-poor-kids-just-as-bright-as-white-kids-in-latest-gaffe)

Please, please, please...let him be the nominee!!!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 09, 2019, 10:53:32 AM
oh joe....not again...

Quote
Biden says ‘poor kids’ just as bright as ‘white kids’ in latest gaffe

Former Vice President Joe Biden, the 2020 Democratic primary frontrunner, made another gaffe Thursday when he told a crowd in Iowa that “poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids.”

Biden, who famously directed supporters to a wrong number during last month’s debate -- and recently misidentified the sites of recent mass shootings -- quickly corrected himself after some applause from the crowd at the Asian & Latino Coalition PAC, and finished, “wealthy kids, black kids, Asian kids.”

Biden, who in 2006 drew criticism with a comment about Indian-Americans moving to Delaware, the state that Biden represented when he served in the U.S. Senate, also told a crowd at the Iowa State Fair that “we choose science over fiction. We choose truth over facts.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-says-poor-kids-just-as-bright-as-white-kids-in-latest-gaffe (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-says-poor-kids-just-as-bright-as-white-kids-in-latest-gaffe)

Please, please, please...let him be the nominee!!!

i think it's already in the bag.  it would put a huge stain on obama's legacy if his vp of 8 years couldn't win the nomination.  expect more puff pieces from the media and obama to come in at the 11th hour to endorse him.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 09, 2019, 10:55:42 AM
Painted themselves into a gender corner....Biden doesn't know what to say...comedy ensues...

Joe Biden grabs female student who asked ‘how many genders are there?’ (video)…

Katie is a young student from Iowa.
She asked former VP Joe Biden how many genders there are.
Joe answered “at least 3.”

When asked to clarify what they were - Joe got angry. He demeaned the woman & forcefully grabbed her to make a point
This is @JoeBiden

https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/joe-biden-grabs-female-student-who-asked-how-many-genders-there-are-video/ (https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/joe-biden-grabs-female-student-who-asked-how-many-genders-there-are-video/)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: nosuchreality on August 09, 2019, 11:52:18 AM
Oh please, watch the fucking video.

So tired of grabass shit.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 09, 2019, 12:21:22 PM
Painted themselves into a gender corner....Biden doesn't know what to say...comedy ensues...

Joe Biden grabs female student who asked ‘how many genders are there?’ (video)…

Katie is a young student from Iowa.
She asked former VP Joe Biden how many genders there are.
Joe answered “at least 3.”

When asked to clarify what they were - Joe got angry. He demeaned the woman & forcefully grabbed her to make a point
This is @JoeBiden

https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/joe-biden-grabs-female-student-who-asked-how-many-genders-there-are-video/ (https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/joe-biden-grabs-female-student-who-asked-how-many-genders-there-are-video/)

1....2....3.....3 genders, ah ah ahhh

(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081004124604/uncyclopedia/images/9/94/Count_von_count.jpg)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on August 09, 2019, 12:29:36 PM
oh joe....not again...

Quote
Biden says ‘poor kids’ just as bright as ‘white kids’ in latest gaffe

Former Vice President Joe Biden, the 2020 Democratic primary frontrunner, made another gaffe Thursday when he told a crowd in Iowa that “poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids.”

Biden, who famously directed supporters to a wrong number during last month’s debate -- and recently misidentified the sites of recent mass shootings -- quickly corrected himself after some applause from the crowd at the Asian & Latino Coalition PAC, and finished, “wealthy kids, black kids, Asian kids.”

Biden, who in 2006 drew criticism with a comment about Indian-Americans moving to Delaware, the state that Biden represented when he served in the U.S. Senate, also told a crowd at the Iowa State Fair that “we choose science over fiction. We choose truth over facts.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-says-poor-kids-just-as-bright-as-white-kids-in-latest-gaffe (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-says-poor-kids-just-as-bright-as-white-kids-in-latest-gaffe)

Please, please, please...let him be the nominee!!!

I hope Joe doesn't become another Admiral Stockdale. That would be so sad.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 12, 2019, 06:18:11 AM
uncle joe is my favorite dem 2020 candidate.  what's next?  biden going to claim he's building the wall? LOL

Quote
Biden says he was VP at time of Parkland shooting in latest campaign gaffe

Joe Biden slipped up once again on the campaign trail Saturday, saying he was vice president at the time of the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., adding to the number of mishaps that have drawn mockery from his opponents.

The 76-year-old Biden, who left the vice presidency in 2017, was talking about gun violence with reporters in Iowa when he said that “those kids in Parkland came up to see me when I was vice president" after the shooting that left 14 students and three educators dead.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-biden-vp-parkland-florida-shooting-campaign-gaffe (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-biden-vp-parkland-florida-shooting-campaign-gaffe)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 12, 2019, 07:53:53 AM
What you should be focusing on is making Irvine great again.  The "safest city" has lost its prestige ever since they went high density starting in the late 90's / early 2000's.  Crime is higher.  Test scores are dropping.  Much of the infrastructure is aging and looks like a late 80's hell hole.  Some of the new developments look like they were erected in the Soviet bloc.

A big, orange balloon that goes nowhere is a sad symbol of what Irvine has become.

I've been triggered!!!

Still haven't rode that balloon... but heard it has a great view of the best city on the planet. :)

#Irvine4Evah
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 12, 2019, 11:58:28 AM
yang with the waterworks this weekend.  sorry but i think most people don't want a president that breaks down when talking about important issues.

Quote
WATCH: Andrew Yang weeps at the effects of gun violence

Democratic presidential contender Andrew Yang broke down in tears while discussing gun safety at a town hall event in Iowa.

At the Everytown Gun Safety Town Hall on Saturday, Yang was asked a question by a woman who said her four-year-old daughter died from a stray bullet while her twin brother watched. She went on to ask what the 44-year-old tech entrepreneur would do to address unintentional shootings by children.

Yang got up after the question and asked the woman if he could hug her. Walking off the stage, the two embraced and shared some words that the microphone did not pick up. When Yang returned to the stage, he covered his face and appeared shaken.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/watch-andrew-yang-weeps-at-the-effects-of-gun-violence (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/watch-andrew-yang-weeps-at-the-effects-of-gun-violence)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on August 12, 2019, 12:04:53 PM
Joe Biden tells Iowa crowd this weekend his vivid recollections about his meeting with Parkland shooting survivors as vice president. The Parkland shooting, however, occurred over a year AFTER Joe left the vice presidency.

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-gaffes-parkland-iowa-poor-kids-144851025.html


Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on August 12, 2019, 05:25:32 PM
yang with the waterworks this weekend.  sorry but i think most people don't want a president that breaks down when talking about important issues.

I’d rather have a real man who shows empathy and compassion as my president.

You probably just read an article but did not watch the actual video. He showed empathy and cried like a father. Then he recovered to provide a sensible solution (optional personalized gun)

If I were to be like you and think for " most people", I would say that a child being gunned down while his twin sibling watched is still upsetting for most people.

I am sorry you are already desensitized  :'(
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 13, 2019, 05:45:51 AM
yang with the waterworks this weekend.  sorry but i think most people don't want a president that breaks down when talking about important issues.

I’d rather have a real man who shows empathy and compassion as my president.

You probably just read an article but did not watch the actual video. He showed empathy and cried like a father. Then he recovered to provide a sensible solution (optional personalized gun)

If I were to be like you and think for " most people", I would say that a child being gunned down while his twin sibling watched is still upsetting for most people.

I am sorry you are already desensitized  :'(

i did watch the video.  and yes, presidents need to be desensitized.  emotion is a human's greatest weakness.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Compressed-Village on August 13, 2019, 08:04:24 AM
yang with the waterworks this weekend.  sorry but i think most people don't want a president that breaks down when talking about important issues.

I’d rather have a real man who shows empathy and compassion as my president.

You probably just read an article but did not watch the actual video. He showed empathy and cried like a father. Then he recovered to provide a sensible solution (optional personalized gun)

If I were to be like you and think for " most people", I would say that a child being gunned down while his twin sibling watched is still upsetting for most people.

I am sorry you are already desensitized  :'(

i did watch the video.  and yes, presidents need to be desensitized.  emotion is a human's greatest weakness.

WTF, it’s EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE is what needed, with the trumpsters. Don’t worry, we will soon have more AI and robots and remove the emotional part.

Morons!!!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: zubs on August 13, 2019, 10:02:34 AM
many articles regarding the Republican parties lack of empathy.
https://uproxx.com/news/gop-empathy-gap/ (https://uproxx.com/news/gop-empathy-gap/)

I got mine sucks2bu.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 13, 2019, 10:42:31 AM
yang with the waterworks this weekend.  sorry but i think most people don't want a president that breaks down when talking about important issues.

I’d rather have a real man who shows empathy and compassion as my president.

You probably just read an article but did not watch the actual video. He showed empathy and cried like a father. Then he recovered to provide a sensible solution (optional personalized gun)

If I were to be like you and think for " most people", I would say that a child being gunned down while his twin sibling watched is still upsetting for most people.

I am sorry you are already desensitized  :'(

i did watch the video.  and yes, presidents need to be desensitized.  emotion is a human's greatest weakness.

WTF, it’s EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE is what needed, with the trumpsters. Don’t worry, we will soon have more AI and robots and remove the emotional part.

Morons!!!

your emotion is showing  ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 13, 2019, 11:04:21 AM
Is Trump desensitized? Seems like he gets angry a lot... or is that his charisma?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 13, 2019, 11:25:53 AM
Is Trump desensitized? Seems like he gets angry a lot... or is that his charisma?

where has he shown anger? twitter doesn't count  ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Liar Loan on August 13, 2019, 07:26:49 PM
What you should be focusing on is making Irvine great again.  The "safest city" has lost its prestige ever since they went high density starting in the late 90's / early 2000's.  Crime is higher.  Test scores are dropping.  Much of the infrastructure is aging and looks like a late 80's hell hole.  Some of the new developments look like they were erected in the Soviet bloc.

A big, orange balloon that goes nowhere is a sad symbol of what Irvine has become.

I've been triggered!!!

Still haven't rode that balloon... but heard it has a great view of the best city on the planet. :)

#Irvine4Evah

Yes, I hear the many shades of beige are beautiful this time of year.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 14, 2019, 08:21:44 AM
What you should be focusing on is making Irvine great again.  The "safest city" has lost its prestige ever since they went high density starting in the late 90's / early 2000's.  Crime is higher.  Test scores are dropping.  Much of the infrastructure is aging and looks like a late 80's hell hole.  Some of the new developments look like they were erected in the Soviet bloc.

A big, orange balloon that goes nowhere is a sad symbol of what Irvine has become.

I've been triggered!!!

Still haven't rode that balloon... but heard it has a great view of the best city on the planet. :)

#Irvine4Evah

Yes, I hear the many shades of beige are beautiful this time of year.

They are beautiful all the time.

Just like the green grass and trees you don't see much of in many other cities. :)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 14, 2019, 08:48:52 AM
But lawns and grass in your yard are so cakeist...so unwoke of you.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000006542254/climate-change-lawns.html?action=click&gtype=vhs&version=vhs-heading&module=vhs&region=title-area&cview=true&t=153 (https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000006542254/climate-change-lawns.html?action=click&gtype=vhs&version=vhs-heading&module=vhs&region=title-area&cview=true&t=153)

Lawns are contributing to pollution and climate change, asserts narrator David Botti, and their origins are far from woke, in a seven-minute video on the history of American lawns.

Botti says lawns are part of the “colonizing of America,” which transformed the landscape from “pristine wilderness” to “identical rows of manicured nature.”

“These lawns come on the backs of slaves,” he continues, zooming in on a painting of George Washington in a field to highlight men cutting the grass with scythes. “It’s grueling, endless work.”

“By the 1870s we also see American culture slowly start to embrace lawns for the privileged masses,” he states.

The video explains that the perfect lawn is associated with being a model citizen, how the first sprinkler was invented in 1871, and about the advent of “so-called trade cards” that “advertised the hell out of lawn and garden products.”

The Times also refers to the work of historian Ted Steinberg, who calls lawns the “outdoor expression of ’50s conformism.”

To drive home the point, he inserts vintage footage of two women being interviewed in their yards talking about how they moved to their communities to live exclusively near other white people. Neither of them says anything about desiring, having, or maintaining a lawn.

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 14, 2019, 08:53:32 AM
What you should be focusing on is making Irvine great again.  The "safest city" has lost its prestige ever since they went high density starting in the late 90's / early 2000's.  Crime is higher.  Test scores are dropping.  Much of the infrastructure is aging and looks like a late 80's hell hole.  Some of the new developments look like they were erected in the Soviet bloc.

A big, orange balloon that goes nowhere is a sad symbol of what Irvine has become.

I've been triggered!!!

Still haven't rode that balloon... but heard it has a great view of the best city on the planet. :)

#Irvine4Evah

Yes, I hear the many shades of beige are beautiful this time of year.

They are beautiful all the time.

Just like the green grass and trees you don't see much of in many other cities. :)

Summertime in the LBC.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 14, 2019, 09:12:56 AM
But lawns and grass in your yard are so cakeist...so unwoke of you.

I contend that lawns/gardens create jobs and oxygen.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 14, 2019, 09:14:48 AM
But lawns and grass in your yard are so cakeist...so unwoke of you.

I contend that lawns/gardens create jobs and oxygen.

I agree.  Wish I had a lawn.  Love lawns.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 14, 2019, 09:22:04 AM
When capitalism gets f'ed up?  The communists come back...they come out of the bushes.  Like whats happening here and in Hong Kong.  DeVito is right on...

https://youtu.be/35rErQtJ6uA

https://youtu.be/35rErQtJ6uA (https://youtu.be/35rErQtJ6uA)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 14, 2019, 09:26:56 AM
Are you sure? I wouldn’t talk with your “powerful Philippines family” that you said runs the Philippines. That like sounds so dictatorships.

God bless America

When capitalism gets f'ed up?  The communists come back...they come out of the bushes.  Like whats happening here and in Hong Kong.  DeVito is right on...

https://youtu.be/35rErQtJ6uA

https://youtu.be/35rErQtJ6uA (https://youtu.be/35rErQtJ6uA)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 14, 2019, 09:29:27 AM
It is. But Duterte (no relation) has like a 75% approval rating.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 14, 2019, 09:33:47 AM
It is. But Duterte (no relation) has like a 75% approval rating.

You heard it hear first. He is for dictatorship.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 14, 2019, 09:38:03 AM
Not officially but it sure quacks like a duck.  On a positive note, he has taken on the drug situation with vicious efficiency...i support that.  We could use a strong hand in dealing with it here.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 14, 2019, 09:40:37 AM
Not officially but it sure quacks like a duck.  On a positive note, he has taken on the drug situation with vicious efficiency...i support that.  We could use a strong hand in dealing with it here.

Even you admit that the US drug problem got worse with Trump.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 14, 2019, 09:43:35 AM
No, its always been bad.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on August 14, 2019, 09:49:27 AM
It is. But Duterte (no relation) has like a 75% approval rating.

Duterte's policy on crime (immunity from prosecution for people who shoot drug dealers) has worked so amazingly well that Bolsanaro wants to do the same thing in Brazil.

Critics are calling Bolsanaro the Brazilian Duterte:

https://www.cfr.org/blog/bolsonaro-ascendant-similarities-rodrigo-duterte
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 14, 2019, 09:53:13 AM
Like Trump, Duterte scares me.

While some of his tactics look like they work, you have to question that type of use of power.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 14, 2019, 09:58:44 AM
As terrible as it may sound, some countries need a benevolent dictator (if there is such a thing).  They are not capable of democracy for numerous cultural and socio-economic reasons.  Corruption is too embedded and needs to be forcefully eliminated at the roots.  Thats tough going and to us may look barbaric.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: nosuchreality on August 14, 2019, 12:59:38 PM
As terrible as it may sound, some countries need a benevolent dictator (if there is such a thing).  They are not capable of democracy for numerous cultural and socio-economic reasons.  Corruption is too embedded and needs to be forcefully eliminated at the roots.  Thats tough going and to us may look barbaric.

Given the state of civil forfeiture, special interest 'lobbying', patronage, revovling door between politics and consuilting/lobbying, and general cozy relationship between unions, corporations and government, do we realld recognize corruption when its right in front of us?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 14, 2019, 01:05:13 PM
As terrible as it may sound, some countries need a benevolent dictator (if there is such a thing).  They are not capable of democracy for numerous cultural and socio-economic reasons.  Corruption is too embedded and needs to be forcefully eliminated at the roots.  Thats tough going and to us may look barbaric.

Given the state of civil forfeiture, special interest 'lobbying', patronage, revovling door between politics and consuilting/lobbying, and general cozy relationship between unions, corporations and government, do we realld recognize corruption when its right in front of us?

let's be honest, all governments are and will be corrupt to a certain extent.  the ones that are better at hiding it are the ones viewed as a "democracy".
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 14, 2019, 01:11:07 PM
As terrible as it may sound, some countries need a benevolent dictator (if there is such a thing).  They are not capable of democracy for numerous cultural and socio-economic reasons.  Corruption is too embedded and needs to be forcefully eliminated at the roots.  Thats tough going and to us may look barbaric.

I’m not surprised by your response. This is totally against the core principles of the US regarding dictatorship. But you are okay with that because you are like a Philippines nationalist. Don’t bring up corruption in context with the Philippines. Innocent people are dying in the Philippines.

Washington Post Article: Duterte has a name for innocent people killed in the Philippines’ drug war: Collateral damage

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/10/18/duterte-has-a-name-for-innocent-people-killed-in-the-philippines-drug-war-collateral-damage/

Cardinal Luis Antonio Tagle of Manila, Philippines, celebrates Mass in 2016 at the Manila cathedral. Addressing 8.000 participants July 22 during the last day of the Fifth Philippine Conference on New Evangelization, Tagle spoke of innocent people dying in the Philippines.

https://www.ncronline.org/news/world/cardinal-tagle-laments-deaths-innocent-people-philippines
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 14, 2019, 02:24:30 PM
As terrible as it may sound, some countries need a benevolent dictator (if there is such a thing).  They are not capable of democracy for numerous cultural and socio-economic reasons.  Corruption is too embedded and needs to be forcefully eliminated at the roots.  Thats tough going and to us may look barbaric.

Given the state of civil forfeiture, special interest 'lobbying', patronage, revovling door between politics and consuilting/lobbying, and general cozy relationship between unions, corporations and government, do we realld recognize corruption when its right in front of us?

let's be honest, all governments are and will be corrupt to a certain extent.  the ones that are better at hiding it are the ones viewed as a "democracy".

That's why the smaller the reach of the government, the smaller the corruption.

This is why I don't like the Fed handling big money programs... social security, healthcare, etc... even Yang's UBI.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 14, 2019, 02:33:30 PM
As terrible as it may sound, some countries need a benevolent dictator (if there is such a thing).  They are not capable of democracy for numerous cultural and socio-economic reasons.  Corruption is too embedded and needs to be forcefully eliminated at the roots.  Thats tough going and to us may look barbaric.

Given the state of civil forfeiture, special interest 'lobbying', patronage, revovling door between politics and consuilting/lobbying, and general cozy relationship between unions, corporations and government, do we realld recognize corruption when its right in front of us?

let's be honest, all governments are and will be corrupt to a certain extent.  the ones that are better at hiding it are the ones viewed as a "democracy".

That's why the smaller the reach of the government, the smaller the corruption.

This is why I don't like the Fed handling big money programs... social security, healthcare, etc... even Yang's UBI.

you won't have to worry about yang's ubi  ;)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 14, 2019, 03:47:53 PM
No, its always been bad.

But it has gotten worst. It’s really bad, so bad he doesn’t even talk about it no more.

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: nosuchreality on August 14, 2019, 04:29:55 PM
No, its always been bad.

But it has gotten worst. It’s really bad, so bad he doesn’t even talk about it no more.



Junkies==$$$$$

Homeless too.

They're both big business for Government and cronies.

Banning pet store puppies too.  Now look at all the rescue non-profits with $500+ adoption 'donations.'

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on August 14, 2019, 04:48:34 PM
No, its always been bad.

But it has gotten worst. It’s really bad, so bad he doesn’t even talk about it no more.



Junkies==$$$$$

Homeless too.

They're both big business for Government and cronies.

Banning pet store puppies too.  Now look at all the rescue non-profits with $500+ adoption 'donations.'

You know what. You are one smart person.
There are for profit jails that make mega bucks.
More crime = more money spent on private security companies for top management not the individual private security worker of course.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: zubs on August 15, 2019, 09:25:49 AM
Rescue mutts are smarter than their pure bred cousins.
I know because I have a pure bred dog that's dumb as shit.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on August 15, 2019, 09:42:40 AM
Rescue mutts are smarter than their pure bred cousins.
I know because I have a pure bred dog that's dumb as shit.
Pure bred = In bred

But I am not breedist. I like all dogs.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 15, 2019, 09:54:18 AM
Yes, unlike a cake purist cakeist, you should encourage mutts (smarter).  Being a breed supremacist should be discouraged.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on August 15, 2019, 01:30:21 PM
As terrible as it may sound, some countries need a benevolent dictator (if there is such a thing).  They are not capable of democracy for numerous cultural and socio-economic reasons.  Corruption is too embedded and needs to be forcefully eliminated at the roots.  Thats tough going and to us may look barbaric.

Given the state of civil forfeiture, special interest 'lobbying', patronage, revovling door between politics and consuilting/lobbying, and general cozy relationship between unions, corporations and government, do we realld recognize corruption when its right in front of us?

let's be honest, all governments are and will be corrupt to a certain extent.  the ones that are better at hiding it are the ones viewed as a "democracy".

That's why the smaller the reach of the government, the smaller the corruption.

This is why I don't like the Fed handling big money programs... social security, healthcare, etc... even Yang's UBI.

This is a common conservative talking point but it’s basically complaining without offering any realistic solutions. And I am generally for smaller government, market based solutions and less bureaucracy. 

The biggest problems we have today do not have market based solutions. There is little incentive to eradicate homelessness until it becomes a giant nuisance. There is also no market incentives to fight climate change or tackle technological job displacement caused by automation/AI.

Conservatives like to pretend we can just tell people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get us out of this massive welfare trap we’re in. This problem is so massive, we now have more people on disability than people who work in construction. And it’s only going to get worse.

Why would anyone who’s on these welfare programs vote against their very own survival? They would only do it if they have a viable alternative- which is Yang’s UBI. It’s also going to shrink the current welfare program because people have to opt out of their welfare programs to get UBI.

This is my problem with the right. They love to hate any policy that’s not small government or seems anti market.
But they do not offer any realistic solutions themselves, or support a viable alternative.

This stupid denial is driving the movement to socialism.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 15, 2019, 02:28:02 PM
This is my problem with the right. They love to complain they hate any policy that’s not “small government anti market”

Wait. Isn't "small government" more "pro market"? Or am I misunderstanding your statement?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on August 15, 2019, 02:45:50 PM
This is my problem with the right. They love to complain they hate any policy that’s not “small government anti market”

Wait. Isn't "small government" more "pro market"? Or am I misunderstanding your statement?

Meant to say conservatives hate any policy that's not small government or seems anti market, but do not offer any realistic solutions themselves, or support a viable alternative.

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 15, 2019, 04:10:00 PM
This is my problem with the right. They love to complain they hate any policy that’s not “small government anti market”

Wait. Isn't "small government" more "pro market"? Or am I misunderstanding your statement?

Meant to say conservatives hate any policy that's not small government or seems anti market, but do not offer any realistic solutions themselves, or support a viable alternative.

I'm not sure you can paint with such broad strokes. There are many conservatives who offer up solutions but aren't politically positioned enough to put them into action.

I'm not smart enough but if you were to ask me how to take care of the healthcare problem, instead of letting the Fed handle it, I would move it to state or even local level. This way, it creates sort of a market solution while keeping government involvement small.

I would actually do the same thing with any big money Fed programs. The closer you keep it to the community you are servicing, the more effective it will be.

Increasing privatization is always something I think would help... I know people worry about oversight and corruption but the market will naturally handle that (in theory).

I think we are aligned on market-based solutions and less bureaucracy, I just don't think UBI is one of them.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on August 15, 2019, 04:38:11 PM
This is my problem with the right. They love to complain they hate any policy that’s not “small government anti market”

Wait. Isn't "small government" more "pro market"? Or am I misunderstanding your statement?

Meant to say conservatives hate any policy that's not small government or seems anti market, but do not offer any realistic solutions themselves, or support a viable alternative.

I'm not sure you can paint with such broad strokes. There are many conservatives who offer up solutions but aren't politically positioned enough to put them into action.

I'm not smart enough but if you were to ask me how to take care of the healthcare problem, instead of letting the Fed handle it, I would move it to state or even local level. This way, it creates sort of a market solution while keeping government involvement small.

I would actually do the same thing with any big money Fed programs. The closer you keep it to the community you are servicing, the more effective it will be.

 is always something I think would help... I know people worry about oversight and corruption but the market will naturally handle that (in theory).

I think we are aligned on market-based solutions and less bureaucracy, I just don't think UBI is one of them.

I noticed you dodged my point like a career politician.

Please enlighten me. Other than the nonsense "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", what is the conservative / market-based solution to Climate change? Homelessness? Job loss caused by AI/Automation ?

Noticed how I never said anything about healthcare. I do agree with you there that we could find solutions without resorting to Bernie's Medicare for all. But increasing privatization is not the solution to healthcare. Even if you do not agree with healthcare being a human right, surely you see how problematic is it to have a healthcare system based on profit.

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 15, 2019, 04:56:57 PM
Sorry, wasn’t avoiding anything. I picked healthcare because it’s a hot topic and I’ve discussed it before.

The issues you mention fall into my localize and privatize suggestion.

Profit is an impetus for innovation and efficiency. Quality is not free.

Not able to multi quote on my phone.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on August 15, 2019, 04:59:23 PM

Please enlighten me. Other than the nonsense "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", what is the conservative / market-based solution to Climate change? Homelessness? Job loss caused by AI/Automation ?


If pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is now considered "nonsense," the human race is doomed.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 15, 2019, 05:01:23 PM

Please enlighten me. Other than the nonsense "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", what is the conservative / market-based solution to Climate change? Homelessness? Job loss caused by AI/Automation ?


If pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is now considered "nonsense," the human race is doomed.

i'll have you know i pulled the climate up by its bootstraps last night!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on August 15, 2019, 05:26:14 PM
The issues you mention fall into my localize and privatize suggestion.

Profit is an impetus for innovation and efficiency. Quality is not free.


I agree with that when it comes to issues other than climate change / homelessness. However, there is no profit motivation so solve climate change or homelessness.

Automation is purely driven by profit. Don't get me wrong, automation is great for humanity. We just need to deal with the side effect of technological job displacement.


Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kenkoko on August 15, 2019, 05:28:26 PM

Please enlighten me. Other than the nonsense "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", what is the conservative / market-based solution to Climate change? Homelessness? Job loss caused by AI/Automation ?


If pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is now considered "nonsense," the human race is doomed.

If our solution to combat climate change, technological job displacement, and homelessness is "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" then you are absolutely right - the human race is doomed.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 15, 2019, 05:33:16 PM
As far as climate change is concerned I think the conservatives view adaptation as the only way. Wether you believe in it or not I think the prevailing thought is there is little we can do to stop it barring drastic changes to everyone’s economies. Structurally impossible short a one world order/Thanos style change.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on August 15, 2019, 05:35:49 PM

Please enlighten me. Other than the nonsense "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", what is the conservative / market-based solution to Climate change? Homelessness? Job loss caused by AI/Automation ?


If pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is now considered "nonsense," the human race is doomed.

If our solution to combat climate change, technological job displacement, and homelessness is "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" then you are absolutely right - the human race is doomed.
Climate change, homelessness, and technological job displacement has been with us since the dawn of humankind. Humanity has dealt with these issues over the ages through ingenuity and tenacity. So, no, I do not think climate change, homelessness, and technological advancement will be the end of the human race.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Liar Loan on August 15, 2019, 06:51:58 PM

Please enlighten me. Other than the nonsense "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", what is the conservative / market-based solution to Climate change? Homelessness? Job loss caused by AI/Automation ?


If pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is now considered "nonsense," the human race is doomed.

If our solution to combat climate change, technological job displacement, and homelessness is "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" then you are absolutely right - the human race is doomed.
Climate change, homelessness, and technological job displacement has been with us since the dawn of humankind. Humanity has dealt with these issues over the ages through ingenuity and tenacity. So, no, I do not think climate change, homelessness, and technological advancement will be the end of the human race.

Correct.  The issues facing us right now will seem quaint in 100 years.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 15, 2019, 10:20:16 PM
Only air for extremists? The center of the party is being strangled by Smith.

Centrist's Dead-End: Hickenlooper Quits White House Bid

He warned that Democrats would lose if they embraced socialism, and he was booed when he raised that alarm at the California Democratic Convention. Asked about it again by NBC’s Savannah Guthrie, Hickenlooper embraced a centrism that, by comparison to his fellow candidates, made him a radical on the Detroit debate stage.

Defending capitalism and condemning socialism certainly made Hickenlooper look out of place.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/08/15/centrists_dead-end_hickenlooper_quits_white_house_bid__141023.amp.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/08/15/centrists_dead-end_hickenlooper_quits_white_house_bid__141023.amp.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 16, 2019, 05:57:21 AM

Please enlighten me. Other than the nonsense "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", what is the conservative / market-based solution to Climate change? Homelessness? Job loss caused by AI/Automation ?


If pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is now considered "nonsense," the human race is doomed.

If our solution to combat climate change, technological job displacement, and homelessness is "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" then you are absolutely right - the human race is doomed.
Climate change, homelessness, and technological job displacement has been with us since the dawn of humankind. Humanity has dealt with these issues over the ages through ingenuity and tenacity. So, no, I do not think climate change, homelessness, and technological advancement will be the end of the human race.

Correct.  The issues facing us right now will seem quaint in 100 years.

not if the world ends in [newly updated timeframe based on fear mongering] years.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 16, 2019, 07:54:46 AM
The issues you mention fall into my localize and privatize suggestion.

Profit is an impetus for innovation and efficiency. Quality is not free.


I agree with that when it comes to issues other than climate change / homelessness. However, there is no profit motivation so solve climate change or homelessness.


Couldn't there be? This is where the smarter people come in.  Let's take homelessness because that's less ambiguous than "climate change" and is an issue for everyone.

Currently, there are non-profits that address issues like homelessness that provide meals, shelters, clothing etc. But what if we were to localize some tax to a city/county level that directly funds the homeless? It will take some "marketing" to pass such a measure but if people in Irvine will pay extra taxes to fund building improvements to schools, wouldn't they do that to address this issue? And it would have to be more than just temporary shelter, the program would have to be "bootstrap" re-education, it needs to have elements that would benefit not just the homeless but also the city, like a work program, mental awareness seminars, things that will enable them to progress.

But you have to find people and funding to make this work. I'm not sure why there isn't more of that... and maybe that's the "climate change" issue. Possibly, with much more funding from taxes and charitable contributions to make it worth people's "time", it would gain more traction. There are a multitude of things to try, create an initiative that churches can join together on. Target local businesses, etc. Maybe if there was some UBI program that had a requirement of volunteering for homeless programs. :)

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Automation is purely driven by profit. Don't get me wrong, automation is great for humanity. We just need to deal with the side effect of technological job displacement.

And that's what I keep saying. As smart as those people are who are working on AI, they would be smarter if they also worked on the other side of the equation that AI will affect. They shouldn't just be thinking about how to automate thing to replace humans, but what can humans do better than robots can so jobs are not lost.

I still think that even with robots, there is a way to retain workers so in tandem with automation, we get better service without displacing people. Since you are so pro-AI, don't you worry about how that would affect your other hot topic, homelessness?

I think these kiosks you see at fast food places is a good example of how automation really hasn't caused job loss but has made it more profitable for companies. So at Taco Bell, McDonald's and even Costco, I don't see less people working, I just see less people taking orders from customers. What this does is allow for more volume as they can put more people on the harder to automate tasks such as putting together the food, cleaning the tables, etc. This allows them to service more customers which increases profit (to cover the cost of the kiosks) and without losing jobs.

I'm sure people have thought of all this and the issue is execution, but that's why trying to fund these things at a Federal level will fail. It's too far away from the problem. What the Fed (or the next President) can do is instead of create taxes to address your issues, create laws that requires states/cities to address them. Instead of a Homeless Bill of Rights to protect homeless rights, require states/cities to create programs for them beyond what is currently being done.

Now, if you are still reading the IHO wall of text... let me utopian connect this. What about a "use tax" for companies that use automation to reduce jobs, where that money goes to funding homeless programs?

So your turn. What would you do? Or what is Yang going to do other than UBI?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 20, 2019, 12:13:11 PM
I am doubling my donation and i am thinking of holding back my sons application to the Navel Academy to see if the Peace Academy may have room for him in their Safe Space hall......

Marianne Williamson unveils her plans for a Department of Peace with a 'Peace Academy' rival to West Point and orders to turn criminal justice to 'healing-oriented approaches'

Marianne Williamson unveiled her plan for a Department of Peace
The department would be overseen by the Secretary of Peace
It would include a Peace Academy, modeled after the military service academies
Williamson also wants to focus on 'healing-oriented approaches' in criminal justice reform
And she wants to study how elements of our food supply affect behavior
Williamson does not offer an estimate of how much the department would cost

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7376067/Marianne-Williamson-unveils-plans-Department-Peace.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7376067/Marianne-Williamson-unveils-plans-Department-Peace.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 20, 2019, 01:14:57 PM
Is Dingy Harry the Oracle...trying to fight Smith and prevent the total takeover of the Matrix?...we shall see...

EXCLUSIVE: Harry Reid: 'Of Course' Medicare for All and Decriminalizing Border Crossings Are Bad Ideas
"There are so many more important things to do," the former Senate majority leader said.

WASHINGTON — Former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) isn’t happy that some of his party’s presidential candidates are pushing for Medicare for All and decriminalizing border crossings, two hot-button issues in the Democratic primary.

In a half-hour phone conversation with VICE News, Reid was blunt when asked if he thought supporting Medicare for All would be problematic in the 2020 general election.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ywadgw/exclusive-harry-reid-of-course-medicare-for-all-and-decriminalizing-border-crossings-are-bad-ideas (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ywadgw/exclusive-harry-reid-of-course-medicare-for-all-and-decriminalizing-border-crossings-are-bad-ideas)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 22, 2019, 09:47:30 AM
Love it, Smith has shoved the left so far out of bounds since they are all trying to out-Smith each other.  Now to the left of insanity all but insures a Trump 2020 win!!

Bernie Sanders unveils his own $16.3 TRILLION climate plan named after AOC's 'Green New Deal' - boldly claiming it will pay for itself AND end unemployment

Bernie Sanders unveiled an ambitious climate change plan Thursday with a $16.3 trillion price tag that promises to create 20 million new jobs
Promotes his climate plan as a way to end unemployment in America
Billed as the 'Green New Deal,' proposal capitalizes on the notoriety of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez's climate change framework of the same name
'Bernie will declare a national emergency on climate change and take immediate, large-scale action to reverse its effects,' the white paper says
The plan will pay for itself over 15 years, Sanders claims, and make the United States total reliant on renewable energy for electricity and transportation
Revenue will come from fines on fossil fuel companies, higher taxes on wealthy,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7383255/Bernie-Sanders-unveils-16-3-trillion-Green-New-Deal-climate-plan.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7383255/Bernie-Sanders-unveils-16-3-trillion-Green-New-Deal-climate-plan.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 22, 2019, 04:52:32 PM
Love it, Smith has shoved the left so far out of bounds since they are all trying to out-Smith each other.  Now to the left of insanity all but insures a Trump 2020 win!!

Bernie Sanders unveils his own $16.3 TRILLION climate plan named after AOC's 'Green New Deal' - boldly claiming it will pay for itself AND end unemployment

Bernie Sanders unveiled an ambitious climate change plan Thursday with a $16.3 trillion price tag that promises to create 20 million new jobs
Promotes his climate plan as a way to end unemployment in America
Billed as the 'Green New Deal,' proposal capitalizes on the notoriety of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez's climate change framework of the same name
'Bernie will declare a national emergency on climate change and take immediate, large-scale action to reverse its effects,' the white paper says
The plan will pay for itself over 15 years, Sanders claims, and make the United States total reliant on renewable energy for electricity and transportation
Revenue will come from fines on fossil fuel companies, higher taxes on wealthy,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7383255/Bernie-Sanders-unveils-16-3-trillion-Green-New-Deal-climate-plan.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7383255/Bernie-Sanders-unveils-16-3-trillion-Green-New-Deal-climate-plan.html)

even more insane, bernie ready to throw fossil fuel execs in the gulags...but how will he finance his green new deal without fossil fuel execs running fossil fuel companies?  ???

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Bernie Sanders signals his administration would pursue 'criminal' charges against oil executives

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., upped the ante in his progressive agenda on Thursday when he signaled support for criminal charges against executives at oil companies.

"Fossil fuel executives should be criminally prosecuted for the destruction they have knowingly caused," Sanders tweeted. His comments were the latest in progressive politicians' long line of attacks on big corporations and their role in climate change.


It came on the same day that he released a sweeping $16 trillion plan to address climate change. Sanders painted his "Green New Deal" as a way to "end the greed of the fossil fuel industry."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-criminal-prosecution-oil-executives (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-criminal-prosecution-oil-executives)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 26, 2019, 02:18:35 PM
guys, he's not going nuts...real assuring from the gaffe machine and leading 2020 dem candidate!

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Biden: 'I want to be clear, I'm not going nuts'

Joe Biden, the 2020 Democratic front-runner, told New Hampshire voters that he is not losing his mind.

"I want to be clear, I’m not going nuts," Biden, 76, told an audience during a campaign rally in Croydon, New Hampshire, on Friday.

The comment came after the former vice president hesitated when trying to recall exactly he had given another speech hours before at Dartmouth College. “I’m not sure whether it was the medical school or where the hell I spoke. But it was on the campus," Biden said.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-i-want-to-be-clear-im-not-going-nuts (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-i-want-to-be-clear-im-not-going-nuts)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on August 27, 2019, 09:46:26 AM
I want to be clear...I am not cakeist!! >:D
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on August 29, 2019, 03:49:11 PM
should we start a daily gaffe thread?

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Joe Biden told moving military story at campaign stop – but it 'never happened,' report says

Former Vice President Joe Biden's campaign has been dogged by gaffes -- but a new error could be his most damaging yet.

The controversy surrounds a moving military story -- which the former VP claimed to be the "God's truth" -- that Biden told at a campaign stop in New Hampshire earlier this month.


The only problem was that the story was not true, according to The Washington Post.

Biden's allegedly tall tale was an emotional account of his decision to travel to Afghanistan, despite concerns about visiting a war-torn area, in order to honor a Navy captain for retrieving the body of his dead comrade during battle.

"It appears as though the former vice president has jumbled elements of at least three actual events into one story," the Post's Matt Viser and Greg Jaffe wrote.

They added that Biden rattled off a slew of inaccurate facts in the span of just a few minutes.

"In the space of three minutes, Biden got the time period, the location, the heroic act, the type of medal, the military branch and the rank of the recipient wrong, as well as his own role in the ceremony," Viser and Jaffe wrote.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-biden-war-story-false (https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-biden-war-story-false)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Liar Loan on August 30, 2019, 02:40:05 PM
should we start a daily gaffe thread?

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Joe Biden told moving military story at campaign stop – but it 'never happened,' report says

Former Vice President Joe Biden's campaign has been dogged by gaffes -- but a new error could be his most damaging yet.

The controversy surrounds a moving military story -- which the former VP claimed to be the "God's truth" -- that Biden told at a campaign stop in New Hampshire earlier this month.


The only problem was that the story was not true, according to The Washington Post.

Biden's allegedly tall tale was an emotional account of his decision to travel to Afghanistan, despite concerns about visiting a war-torn area, in order to honor a Navy captain for retrieving the body of his dead comrade during battle.

"It appears as though the former vice president has jumbled elements of at least three actual events into one story," the Post's Matt Viser and Greg Jaffe wrote.

They added that Biden rattled off a slew of inaccurate facts in the span of just a few minutes.

"In the space of three minutes, Biden got the time period, the location, the heroic act, the type of medal, the military branch and the rank of the recipient wrong, as well as his own role in the ceremony," Viser and Jaffe wrote.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-biden-war-story-false (https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-biden-war-story-false)

I vote yes.  Since he is the likely candidate at this point, we may have 15 more months of this comedic material to discuss.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on September 04, 2019, 10:12:36 AM
Marianne Williamson wants us to use the power of the mind to turn away Hurricane Dorian:

"“The Bahamas, Florida, Georgia and the Carolinas ... may all be in our prayers now,” Williamson wrote Wednesday morning. “Millions of us seeing Dorian turn away from land is not a wacky idea; it is creative use of the power of the mind. Two minutes of prayer, visualization, meditation for those in the way of the storm.”"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/marianne-williamson-hurricane-dorian-tweet-power-of-mind-153247046.html

If the power of the mind also works on global warming, would be a lot cheaper than the Green New Deal.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on September 04, 2019, 10:21:54 AM
Marianne Williamson wants us to use the power of the mind to turn away Hurricane Dorian:

"“The Bahamas, Florida, Georgia and the Carolinas ... may all be in our prayers now,” Williamson wrote Wednesday morning. “Millions of us seeing Dorian turn away from land is not a wacky idea; it is creative use of the power of the mind. Two minutes of prayer, visualization, meditation for those in the way of the storm.”"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/marianne-williamson-hurricane-dorian-tweet-power-of-mind-153247046.html

If the power of the mind also works on global warming, would be a lot cheaper than the Green New Deal.

See, this is why I donated $2...It's a miracle!!

https://youtu.be/qw-yn2RLcu0

https://youtu.be/qw-yn2RLcu0 (https://youtu.be/qw-yn2RLcu0)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on September 04, 2019, 11:39:15 AM
This is a powerful endorsement with significant thought and weight...or just another Hollywood crazy person. #metoo

Elizabeth Warren gets major Hollywood boost as Scarlett Johansson endorses her and says 2020 Democrat isn't making 'crazy, outlandish promises that seem impossible to reach'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7427193/Elizabeth-Warren-gets-major-Hollywood-boost-Scarlett-Johansson-endorses-her.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7427193/Elizabeth-Warren-gets-major-Hollywood-boost-Scarlett-Johansson-endorses-her.html)

'I love Woody Allen. I believe him, and I would work with him anytime': Scarlett Johansson defends shamed director despite long-running allegations that he sexually abused his adopted daughter in 1992

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7427139/Scarlett-Johansson-voices-support-Woody-Allen-accused-sexual-abuse.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7427139/Scarlett-Johansson-voices-support-Woody-Allen-accused-sexual-abuse.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on September 04, 2019, 12:03:26 PM
This is a powerful endorsement with significant thought and weight...or just another Hollywood crazy person. #metoo

Elizabeth Warren gets major Hollywood boost as Scarlett Johansson endorses her and says 2020 Democrat isn't making 'crazy, outlandish promises that seem impossible to reach'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7427193/Elizabeth-Warren-gets-major-Hollywood-boost-Scarlett-Johansson-endorses-her.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7427193/Elizabeth-Warren-gets-major-Hollywood-boost-Scarlett-Johansson-endorses-her.html)

'I love Woody Allen. I believe him, and I would work with him anytime': Scarlett Johansson defends shamed director despite long-running allegations that he sexually abused his adopted daughter in 1992

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7427139/Scarlett-Johansson-voices-support-Woody-Allen-accused-sexual-abuse.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7427139/Scarlett-Johansson-voices-support-Woody-Allen-accused-sexual-abuse.html)

hey, i've seen this movie before!

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Did Celebrity Endorsements Contribute to Hillary Clinton’s Presidential Upset?

Clinton certainly collected an overwhelming amount of them in the run up to November 8. And, not only did stars use their immense platforms to back the Democratic nominee, but they also participated in more candidate-agnostic public-service campaigns urging Americans to vote at all. It’s impossible to directly measure how many votes an Instagram video of Beyoncé telling people “I’m with her” yielded on Election Day, even if it racked up 2.2 million views. There aren’t any exit polls asking if people decided to cast their ballots because of a cheeky, celebrity-filled Rock the Vote video. Without pure, quantifiable data, those that leverage Americans with the largest platforms—entertainers, media personalities, and athletes—must now look for cracks in the machine to find out what went wrong; where they missed opportunities; or if, what Clinton supporters like Lena Dunham said in her P.S.A. (“I’m wondering if I’m hurting her chances of winning.”) proved to be portent rather than parody.

Hollywood does tend to swing to the left, but Clinton, whose campaign actively targeted young people, may have focused on getting and publicizing celebrity endorsements for two reasons. First, stars and “influencers” are already all over social media delivering messages to this cohort. Second, organizations focused primarily on the youth vote see the 18 to 24 demographic as the most sympathetic to their influence. It’s also the least likely to vote, so inspiring messages from their favorite famous figures could, hypothetically, urge them to the polls. Nevertheless, the 2016 election is bearing out to show similar low engagement to results reported in a 2014 study from the U.S. Census Bureau. It found that voting rates among 18- to 24-year-olds in all elections dropped from 50.9 percent in 1964 to 38 percent in 2012. The first election that Rock the Vote, a nonpartisan organization focused on youth-voting advocacy, influenced 1992, and 2008 (when Barack Obama ran for the first time) marked banner years for the age group, but the rate has never returned to 1964 levels. (Vanity Fair reached out to a Clinton representative for comment on this article, but had not heard back prior to publication.)

Michael Cobb, associate professor of political science at N.C. State, said that this sort of nuance is where celebrity influence can reside. “There’s very little evidence that anyone, let alone celebrities, can convince people in a hyper-partisan age to vote for somebody of the other party,” Cobb said. “That’s just not what they’re being asked to do and that’s not what they can do.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2016/11/celebrity-endorsements-donald-trump-hillary-clinton (https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2016/11/celebrity-endorsements-donald-trump-hillary-clinton)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on September 06, 2019, 07:46:58 AM

If you don't want to click the link, here's the abbreviated version:

2018 - Both political parties are terrible. All politicians are bad. I'm going to run as an independent and win with the great middle!

2019 - Eh, looks like it's a "no-go". I'm endorsing (pauses....reconfirms name on check) a Democrat! PS - Orange Man Bad

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/06/us/politics/howard-schultz-drops-out-2020.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/06/us/politics/howard-schultz-drops-out-2020.html)



Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on September 10, 2019, 03:33:07 PM
So funny, they think it makes them so “edgy” and tough...they just look desperate and stupid.

Democratic candidates warned not to curse at Thursday's

The warning comes as several Democratic presidential candidates have taken to using expletives on the campaign trail -- most notably former Rep. Beto O'Rourke, for whom the F-bomb was also a hallmark of his Senate campaign in Texas.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/09/10/politics/september-debate-cursing-fcc/?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lucianne.com%2F (https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/09/10/politics/september-debate-cursing-fcc/?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lucianne.com%2F)

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on September 10, 2019, 10:19:32 PM
Like hoping there will be a recession, not today. #winning.

'Big night for the Republican Party!' Trump celebrates as BOTH candidates he endorsed WIN their North Carolina special elections and boasts that Dan Bishop was victorious in narrow race because he 'asked me for help' when he was losing

Two special elections in North Carolina were seen as predictors of Donald Trump's ability to hold on to support in red states that made him president
Republican Greg Murphy won the Third Congressional District seat in a runaway
Republican Dan Bishop's race in the Ninth Congressional District against Democrat Dan McCready was closer, but Bishop prevailed by more than 2 points
President Trump brought both Republicans to the stage for high-profile endorsements during his Fayetteville, N.C. rally on Monday night

But he seized the moment to take credit for the win and mock CNN and MSNBC, which he said were quickly moving on instead of focusing on the races

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7450357/Republican-Greg-Murphy-wins-North-Carolina-congressional-seat.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7450357/Republican-Greg-Murphy-wins-North-Carolina-congressional-seat.html)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on September 11, 2019, 05:42:14 AM
Like hoping there will be a recession, not today. #winning.

'Big night for the Republican Party!' Trump celebrates as BOTH candidates he endorsed WIN their North Carolina special elections and boasts that Dan Bishop was victorious in narrow race because he 'asked me for help' when he was losing

Two special elections in North Carolina were seen as predictors of Donald Trump's ability to hold on to support in red states that made him president
Republican Greg Murphy won the Third Congressional District seat in a runaway
Republican Dan Bishop's race in the Ninth Congressional District against Democrat Dan McCready was closer, but Bishop prevailed by more than 2 points
President Trump brought both Republicans to the stage for high-profile endorsements during his Fayetteville, N.C. rally on Monday night

But he seized the moment to take credit for the win and mock CNN and MSNBC, which he said were quickly moving on instead of focusing on the races

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7450357/Republican-Greg-Murphy-wins-North-Carolina-congressional-seat.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7450357/Republican-Greg-Murphy-wins-North-Carolina-congressional-seat.html)

still waiting for them to find ballot boxes full of democrat votes  ::) ::)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on September 11, 2019, 09:26:35 AM
This will be couched as disastrous news that portends doom for Trump because the wins should have been by larger margins....oh the gnashing and wailing!!!
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Happiness on September 12, 2019, 09:30:22 AM
Marianne Williamson stating the obvious: people on the Left are meaner than people on the Right:

“What does it say that Fox News is nicer to me than the lefties are?” she asked after her interview while her microphone was still on. “What does it say that the conservatives are nicer to me? It’s such a bizarre world. I’m such a lefty — I mean, I’m a serious lefty — but I understand why people on the right call them ‘godless.’ I didn’t think the left is as mean as the right. They are.”

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/marianne-williamson-caught-hot-mic-135228192.html
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on September 12, 2019, 09:48:33 AM
When emotion not logic is the only lens you look through lashing out is their final defense.  Always comes off as petty and "mean".
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Kings on September 13, 2019, 06:42:27 AM
if you missed last night!

(https://i.imgur.com/Fy5aGnT.png?1)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on September 13, 2019, 07:31:05 AM
1st time for me to hear Yang and his "$1k giveaway" schtick. Two takeaways:

A) On the one hand a $1k makes us focus on good feelings and the morality of helping others. Um.... What about the morality of robbing Productive Peter and giving the proceeds of  this theft to Unproductive Paul?

B) Funding of this $1k giveaway will be accomplished by a VAT....? Ok. So once the VAT is in place won't that raise consumer prices (as it does with countries with VAT's) making this $1k more like a zero sum gain?

I've heard this line of thinking before but I don't think Mexico is paying for this new border wall are they?

My .02c
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on September 13, 2019, 08:20:29 AM
Drug problem in America is bad.
GOP doing nothing about gun violence.
There are many GOP congressman retiring and won’t seek re-election . (Like Paul Ryan)
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on September 13, 2019, 08:28:05 AM
Drug problem in America is bad.
GOP doing nothing about gun violence.

Not sure if you posted this before but I am very interested in hearing what your proposed solutions to these 2 items are.

These are tough subjects so I am honestly wondering how you would address them.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on September 13, 2019, 08:30:36 AM
Drug problem in America is bad.
GOP doing nothing about gun violence.
There are many GOP congressman retiring and won’t seek re-election . (Like Paul Ryan)

It not just me that thinks gun violence is out of control.

CNBC article: Chief executives of 145 companies urge Senate to pass gun control laws

Leaders of 145 companies wrote a letter addressed to the Senate, asking for it to pass background checks and a strong red flag law.

Edward Stack, CEO of Dick’s Sporting Goods, also signed the letter. The retailer stopped selling guns in 125 stores this year and stopped selling assault-style weapons after the Parkland, Florida, shooting in 2018.

Bain Capital, a private equity firm founded by Mitt Romney, had several signatories on the letter including John Connaughton and Jonathan Lavine, co-managing partners, and Josh Bekenstein and
Steve Pagliuca, co-chairmen.

Thrive Capital’s Joshua Kushner, who is also brother of Jared Kushner, a White House advisor and President Donald Trump’s son-in-law, signed the letter as well. The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The letter comes as companies have been forced to reckon with the risk that mass shootings pose to their businesses. Earlier in September, Walmart dramatically stepped back from ammunition sales after two shootings at its stores this summer. The biggest retailer in the world also asked customers at Walmart and Sam’s Club to no longer openly carry firearms, a move other retailers have since echoed.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/12/chief-executives-of-145-companies-urge-senate-to-pass-gun-control-laws.html

Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on September 13, 2019, 08:31:36 AM
Drug problem in America is bad.
GOP doing nothing about gun violence.

Not sure if you posted this before but I am very interested in hearing what your proposed solutions to these 2 items are.

These are tough subjects so I am honestly wondering how you would address them.

It’s not just me. Big time CEOs are fed up with no action regarding gun legislation.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on September 13, 2019, 08:34:03 AM
Got it, some people are concerned, still begs the question, What would you propose?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on September 13, 2019, 08:44:01 AM
I’m not making this up. They are getting pressured to take action.

'We'd like to know where the president is': GOP leaders meet with Trump as pressure mounts on gun legislation

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/09/10/mcconnell-mccarthy-trump-gun-meeting/2273902001/
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on September 13, 2019, 08:48:11 AM
Drug problem in America is bad.
GOP doing nothing about gun violence.

Not sure if you posted this before but I am very interested in hearing what your proposed solutions to these 2 items are.

These are tough subjects so I am honestly wondering how you would address them.

Don’t blame me! I’m not your elected official. If I had a say, people would be safe like back in the day.

America ain’t great again, it has gotten worse. Lol
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: morekaos on September 13, 2019, 08:50:43 AM
I’m not making this up. They are getting pressured to take action.

'We'd like to know where the president is': GOP leaders meet with Trump as pressure mounts on gun legislation

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/09/10/mcconnell-mccarthy-trump-gun-meeting/2273902001/


...but what would you do? What would you want politicians to do?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: irvinehomeowner on September 13, 2019, 08:51:48 AM
Drug problem in America is bad.
GOP doing nothing about gun violence.

Not sure if you posted this before but I am very interested in hearing what your proposed solutions to these 2 items are.

These are tough subjects so I am honestly wondering how you would address them.

It’s not just me. Big time CEOs are fed up with no action regarding gun legislation.


Yes, I know it's not just you. I think drugs and gun violence are problems too... as should everyone.

What I'm asking is do you have any suggestions to help address these issues?
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: eyephone on September 13, 2019, 08:52:59 AM
Drug problem in America is bad.
GOP doing nothing about gun violence.

Not sure if you posted this before but I am very interested in hearing what your proposed solutions to these 2 items are.

These are tough subjects so I am honestly wondering how you would address them.

It’s not just me. Big time CEOs are fed up with no action regarding gun legislation.


Yes, I know it's not just you. I think drugs and gun violence are problems too... as should everyone.

What I'm asking is do you have any suggestions to help address these issues?

Don’t blame me! I’m not your elected official. If I had a say, people would be safe like back in the day.

America ain’t great again, it has gotten worse. Lol

I can complain just like Trump does. (Play from his playbook)
But I do it better of course.
Title: Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on September 13, 2019, 09:25:07 AM
On the drug question you can go to one extreme (San Francisco) to the other (Singapore or The Philippines) and you will still have the unstoppable drive for self destruction. If I had my way I'd lean pretty close to the Singapore model.

As for "Gun Violence" a side note first....

Note how the 1990's  alarmist "Global Warming" softened to the gentle "Climate Change"?  What was 1980's "Gun Control" became the 2000's "Common Sense Gun Control" and now is the even softer "Gun Violence". Make no mistake dear reader - this remains an issue of control and nothing more.

I got pummeled for saying this before, but let's look at a set of numbers anyone can verify if they want to.

Since 2015 roughly 55% of mass shootings (5 or more dead, excluding the shooter) involved pistols rather than rifles.

Ask any candidate if they are ready to reduce gun violence with pistol restrictions. All you will hear in reponse is the sound of crickets.

Since 2015 the racial background of mass shooters are spread across the racial spectrum EQUALLY.

Ask any candidate about gun violence NOT being a "white nationalist issue" and you will get booed of the stage for asking such an impertinent question.

Since 2015 the highest common factor within the profile of mass shooters?  Many won't like the answer, but it's true none the less:

Parental divorce (82%)

It's hard to search for psychotropic mood altering drugs, but Mother Jones (hardly a conservative resource) has an excellent record of mental health issues and mass shootings. If not equal to Parental Divorce, I'm sure it's as high of a percentage.

These aren't the NRA's facts and figures but easily discoverable in main stream news reports.

Cars, knives, doctors, and other sources kill more than guns. You wouldn't know it from the debate. I do support Red Flag laws even with the slippery slope issues that come alongsid