HELL YES!!! Santelli & Traders on CNBC nails it

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<a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1039849853">http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1039849853</a>





'The government is promoting bad behavior... do we really want to subsidize the losers' mortgages... This is America! How many of you people want to pay for your neighbor's mortgage? President Obama are you listening? How about we all stop paying our mortage! It's a moral hazard'
 
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'The government is promoting bad behavior... do we really want to subsidize the losers' mortgages... This is America! How many of you people want to pay for your neighbor's mortgage? President Obama are you listening? How about we all stop paying our mortage! It's a moral hazard'</blockquote>
Just image the chaos if everyone stopped paying their mortgage all at once. That would make the banks stand up and listen.
 
The exchange between Santelli and Leisman about twenty minutes was way more epic that this thread can convey.



Leisman is Santelli's intelectual superior (hat tip Awgee) but Santelli has trader and populous opinion nailed, and that's all that matters.
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1235091808]The exchange between Santelli and Leisman about twenty minutes was way more epic that this thread can convey.



Leisman is Santelli's intelectual superior (hat tip Awgee) but Santelli has trader and populous opinion nailed, and that's all that matters.</blockquote>


Hahaha I saw that one as well...I was waiting for expletives.



Rick's got the silent majority on his side LOL
 
Wow! I come back from a long weekend in Napa, and the sh*t hits the fan with Santelli. I loved his rant, I agreed with his rant, hell... I rant like him on daily basis, but to think it was planted... just disgusts me.



<em><a href="http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/02/rick-santellis-faux-rant/">Rick Santelli?s Planted Rant</a>?

By Barry Ritholtz - February 28th, 2009, 5:47PM



I was interviewed by several journalists last week about Rick Santelli?s Rant ? my exact quote was it had a ?Faux? feel to it. (I haven?t seen it in print yet)



What was so odd about this was that Santelli is usually on the ball; we usually agree more often than we disagree. He?s been responsible for some of the best moments on Squawk Box.



But his rant somehow felt wrong. After we?ve pissed through over $7 trillion dollars in Federal bailouts to banks, brokers, automakers, insurers, etc., this was a pittance, the least offensive of all the vast sums of wasted money spent on ?losers? to use Santelli?s phrase. It seemed like a whole lot of noise over ?just? $75 billion, or 1% of the rest of the total ne?er-do-well bailout monies.



It turns out that there may be more to the story then originally met the eye, according to (yes, really) Playboy magazine.



Excerpt:



?How did a minor-league TV figure, whose contract with CNBC is due this summer, get so quickly launched into a nationwide rightwing blog sensation? Why were there so many sites and organizations online and live within minutes or hours after his rant, leading to a nationwide protest just a week after his rant?



What hasn?t been reported until now is evidence linking Santelli?s ?tea party? rant with some very familiar names in the Republican rightwing machine, from PR operatives who specialize in imitation-grassroots PR campaigns (called ?astroturfing?) to bigwig politicians and notorious billionaire funders. As veteran Russia reporters, both of us spent years watching the Kremlin use fake grassroots movements to influence and control the political landscape. To us, the uncanny speed and direction the movement took and the players involved in promoting it had a strangely forced quality to it. If it seemed scripted, that?s because it was.



What we discovered is that Santelli?s ?rant? was not at all spontaneous as his alleged fans claim, but rather it was a carefully-planned trigger for the anti-Obama campaign. In PR terms, his February 19th call for a ?Chicago Tea Party? was the launch event of a carefully organized and sophisticated PR campaign, one in which Santelli served as a frontman, using the CNBC airwaves for publicity, for the some of the craziest and sleaziest rightwing oligarch clans this country has ever produced. Namely, the Koch family, the multibilllionaire owners of the largest private corporation in America, and funders of scores of rightwing thinktanks and advocacy groups, from the Cato Institute and Reason Magazine to FreedomWorks. The scion of the Koch family, Fred Koch, was a co-founder of the notorious extremist-rightwing John Birch Society.?



What is Playboy?s evidence of this?



?Within hours of Santelli?s rant, a website called ChicagoTeaParty.com sprang to life. Essentially inactive until that day, it now featured a YouTube video of Santelli?s ?tea party? rant and billed itself as the official home of the Chicago Tea Party. The domain was registered in August, 2008 by Zack Christenson, a dweeby Twitter Republican and producer for a popular Chicago rightwing radio host Milt Rosenberg?a familiar name to Obama campaign people. Last August, Rosenberg, who looks like Martin Short?s Irving Cohen character, caused an outcry when he interviewed Stanley Kurtz, the conservative writer who first ?exposed? a personal link between Obama and former Weather Undergound leader Bill Ayers. As a result of Rosenberg?s radio interview, the Ayers story was given a major push through the Republican media echo chamber, culminating in Sarah Palin?s accusation that Obama was ?palling around with terrorists.? That Rosenberg?s producer owns the ?chicagoteaparty.com? site is already weird?but what?s even stranger is that he first bought the domain last August, right around the time of Rosenburg?s launch of the ?Obama is a terrorist? campaign. It?s as if they held this ?Chicago tea party? campaign in reserve, like a sleeper-site. Which is exactly what it was.



This looks like more than a coincidence. This is now a very serious charge.



I have no insight as to whether this is true or not ? but it certainly deserves a serious response from both Santelli and CNBC. If its false, then they should say so, and demand an apology from Playboy.



But if any of it is true, well then, Santelli may have to fall on his sword, and CNBC may owe the public an apology.



I am VERY curious if there is any truth to this.



UPDATE: March 1, 2009 5:43am



Wow, talk about link bait ? that was a boatload of comments on a Saturday nite! Doesn?t anyone go out anymore? It must really be a recession . . .



UPDATE 2: March 1, 2009 7:45am



Steve at the Daily Bail writes:



I publish and write the Daily Bail. I have posted a response to the allegations by Playboy magazine made against our site. I am writing you personally so that you know their allegations about me are categorically untrue. It?s unfortunate because I believe that the article did some great investigative work and then at the end they threw me under the bus for no apparent reason. Apparently, the authors just assumed we were part of this conspiracy because of my own personal excitement about the prospect of a mid-summer tea party. They never bothered to contact me for explanation or comment of any sort.



My response to their article is here. Please read it so you know just how wrong they were about me and my politics.



<a href="http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/03/update-santelli-stares-down-playboy/">Santelli Stares Down Playboy</a>



On Saturday night, I referenced an interesting accusation from Playboy against CNBC: They claimed that the now infamous Santelli rant was a plant. (Rick Santelli?s Planted Rant ?)



As I noted then:



I have no insight as to whether this is true or not ? but it certainly deserves a serious response from both Santelli and CNBC. If its false, then they should say so, and demand an apology from Playboy. But if any of it is true, well then, Santelli may have to fall on his sword, and CNBC may owe the public an apology. I am VERY curious if there is any truth to this.



Today, NY Mag reported that Playboy pulled the piece (insert your own bad pun here). The Daily Bail also had a few words to on the subject: We Stand Accused Of Having Fake Boobs. Megan McArdle at The Atlantic had the most persuasive fisking of the original piece I?ve seen.



I emailed Santelli earlier about Playboy dropping the post, but haven?t heard back yet.



The dropping of the accusatory piece suggests at best, the author could not back up their assertions. At worst, their accusations were false. Regardless, as the screen grab above shows, its now down.



The IMs are abuzz that CNBC?s legal team barked at Playboy, threatening litigation and Playboy quickly folded.



Fascinating development . . .</em>



Funny, now it makes some of the past nutters of IHB seem even nuttier than me and no_vas' obsession on the price of milk combined. What BS that this could have been planted. I think Santelli may have just etched a spot on my "list". Sad... truly sad... crackercakes. :down:
 
Character assassignation and pure hogwash. This is an example of, "If you don't have a good argument, then accuse and attack to obfuscate." The people making these accusations should be ashamed of themselves.



Santelli's answer to these POS liars:

<a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/29471026">Santelli's answer</a>
 
[quote author="lendingmaestro" date=1236130876]Rick Santelli is a snake in the grass. Can't trust that guy.</blockquote>


You really think so? Any particular reason why?



Leisman pwned Kudlow this morning big time, but you needed to be paying attention to catch it. I got it, Leisman got it (he was giggling) but Kudlow missed it totally. Pretty third leve stuff, but considering that Kudlow is the posterchild for "Functional Moron" these days, it was mean and out of line.
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1236132871][quote author="lendingmaestro" date=1236130876]Rick Santelli is a snake in the grass. Can't trust that guy.</blockquote>


You really think so? Any particular reason why?



Leisman pwned Kudlow this morning big time, but you needed to be paying attention to catch it. I got it, Leisman got it (he was giggling) but Kudlow missed it totally. Pretty third leve stuff, but considering that Kudlow is the posterchild for "Functional Moron" these days, it was mean and out of line.</blockquote>
I missed that, but would love to see it...can you find the link to the clip or can you give a quick summary of what happened? I want to bitch slap Kudlow and the frog man!
 
santelli makes good points, but you can see it in his eyes and hear it in his voice......whatever he says, it is to make himself look good. The guy is smart and says a lot of things I agree with, but I don't trust him as far as I can throw him.
 
[quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1236133923][quote author="no_vaseline" date=1236132871][quote author="lendingmaestro" date=1236130876]Rick Santelli is a snake in the grass. Can't trust that guy.</blockquote>


You really think so? Any particular reason why?



Leisman pwned Kudlow this morning big time, but you needed to be paying attention to catch it. I got it, Leisman got it (he was giggling) but Kudlow missed it totally. Pretty third leve stuff, but considering that Kudlow is the posterchild for "Functional Moron" these days, it was mean and out of line.</blockquote>
I missed that, but would love to see it...can you find the link to the clip or can you give a quick summary of what happened? I want to bitch slap Kudlow and the frog man!</blockquote>


Here is the story:



<a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1050794392&play=1">http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1050794392&play=1</a>



It was in the lead in to this piece, or maybe right before the break. Frankly, I don't remember specifically what he said but it was quick, intelegent, and deep monster burn where Leisman used some of Larry's nonsense like "Mustard Seeds" as a weapon against him. Kudlow was too dumb to catch it - or worse, he wasn't listening.



Too bad they don't achive all of it, and I didn't think to hit the record button on the DVR.
 
Funny video: Jon Stewart takes on Santelli's rant



<A href="http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=220252&title=cnbc-gives-financial-advice">http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=220252&title=cnbc-gives-financial-advice</A>
 
[quote author="The_Maestro" date=1236339697]Actually I think Stewart nailed it.</blockquote>


Ditto on that.
 
?Honk If You?re Paying My Mortgage? bumper sticker



Original one, by the Tennesee Republicans

<A href="http://www.tngop.org/contribute/incentive/">http://www.tngop.org/contribute/incentive/</A>



Copycat one on zazzle

<A href="http://www.zazzle.com/honk_if_youre_paying_my_mortgage_bumper_sticker-128202615613518116">http://www.zazzle.com/honk_if_youre_paying_my_mortgage_bumper_sticker-128202615613518116</A>
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1236342560][quote author="The_Maestro" date=1236339697]Actually I think Stewart nailed it.</blockquote>


Ditto on that.</blockquote>
He made a funny piece, but he didn't "nail" it. Nailing it would have included clips of Santelli going off about the bailouts prior to TARP1 being passed, or ranting about the lack of opacity in the CDS markets, or screaming about the Fed turning the dollar into toilet paper, etc. CNBC does a LOT of cheerleading, but they also know that if they push too hard they or dig too deep will lose access to the newsmakers. Too his credit, Santelli stands in the trading pits in Chicago and does his best to tell the truth as he sees it. That he is getting shafted for it is more a reflection of Obama's enduring cult of personality and less about Santelli's accuracy; people don't want to hear anything negative about Obama because many of them are still convinced he has really nice clothes. Stewart is one of those people.
 
Sorry, I thought this thread was about Santelli's rant about deadbeat mortgage holders. I think that is misguided. I don't watch CNBC or follow Santelli so Kudos to him if he has held our government and wall street accountable. That I agree with.
 
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