Good article from Atlantic re: GOP

fortune11

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If you only subscribe to one magazine, make it the Atlantic ...

Look beyond the trolling-type headline and read their logic --- very interesting.  It also explains many of the responses you see on this forum. 



Boycott the Republican Party

If conservatives want to save the GOP from itself, they need to vote mindlessly and mechanically against its nominees.

Jonathan Rauch and Benjamin WittesMarch 2018 Issue

A few days after the Democratic electoral sweep this past November in Virginia, New Jersey, and elsewhere, The Washington Post asked a random Virginia man to explain his vote. The man, a marketing executive named Toren Beasley, replied that his calculus was simply to refuse to calculate. ?It could have been Dr. Seuss or the Berenstain Bears on the ballot and I would have voted for them if they were a Democrat,? he said. ?I might do more analyses in other years. But in this case, no. No one else gets any consideration because what?s going on with the Republicans?I?m talking about Trump and his cast of characters?is stupid, stupid, stupid. I can?t say stupid enough times.?

Count us in, Mr. Beasley. We?re with you, though we tend to go with dangerous rather than stupid. And no one could be more surprised that we?re saying this than we are.

We have both spent our professional careers strenuously avoiding partisanship in our writing and thinking. We have both done work that is, in different ways, ideologically eclectic, and that has?over a long period of time?cast us as not merely nonpartisans but antipartisans. Temperamentally, we agree with the late Christopher Hitchens: Partisanship makes you stupid. We are the kind of voters who political scientists say barely exist?true independents who scour candidates? records in order to base our votes on individual merit, not party brand.

This, then, is the article we thought we would never write: a frank statement that a certain form of partisanship is now a moral necessity. The Republican Party, as an institution, has become a danger to the rule of law and the integrity of our democracy. The problem is not just Donald Trump; it?s the larger political apparatus that made a conscious decision to enable him. In a two-party system, nonpartisanship works only if both parties are consistent democratic actors. If one of them is not predictably so, the space for nonpartisans evaporates. We?re thus driven to believe that the best hope of defending the country from Trump?s Republican enablers, and of saving the Republican Party from itself, is to do as Toren Beasley did: vote mindlessly and mechanically against Republicans at every opportunity, until the party either rights itself or implodes (very preferably the former).

Of course, lots of people vote a straight ticket. Some do so because they are partisan. Others do so because of a particular policy position: Many pro-lifers, for example, will not vote for Democrats, even pro-life Democrats, because they see the Democratic Party as institutionally committed to the slaughter of babies.

We?re proposing something different. We?re suggesting that in today?s situation, people should vote a straight Democratic ticket even if they are not partisan, and despite their policy views. They should vote against Republicans in a spirit that is, if you will, prepartisan and prepolitical. Their attitude should be: The rule of law is a threshold value in American politics, and a party that endangers this value disqualifies itself, period. In other words, under certain peculiar and deeply regrettable circumstances, sophisticated, independent-minded voters need to act as if they were dumb-ass partisans.

For us, this represents a counsel of desperation. So allow us to step back and explain what drove us to what we call oppositional partisanship.

To avoid misunderstanding, here are some things we are not saying. First, although we worry about extremism in the GOP, that is not a reason to boycott the party. We agree with political analysts who say that the Republicans veered off-center earlier and more sharply than the Democrats?but recently the Democrats have made up for lost time by moving rapidly leftward. In any case, under normal circumstances our response to radicalization within a party would be to support sane people within that party.

Nor is our oppositional partisanship motivated by the belief that Republican policies are wrongheaded. Republicans are a variegated bunch, and we agree with many traditional GOP positions. One of us has spent the past several years arguing that counterterrorism authorities should be granted robust powers, defending detentions at Guant?namo Bay, and supporting the confirmations of any number of conservative judges and justices whose nominations enraged liberals. The other is a Burkean conservative with libertarian tendencies and a long history of activism against left-wing intolerance. And even if we did consistently reject Republican policy positions, that would not be sufficient basis to boycott the entire party?just to oppose the bad ideas advanced by it.

One more nonreason for our stance: that we are horrified by the president. To be sure, we are horrified by much that Trump has said and done. But many members of his party are likewise horrified. Republicans such as Senators John McCain and Bob Corker and Jeff Flake and Ben Sasse, as well as former Governors Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush, have spoken out and conducted themselves with integrity. Abandoning an entire party means abandoning many brave and honorable people. We would not do that based simply on rot at the top.

So why have we come to regard the GOP as an institutional danger? In a nutshell, it has proved unable or unwilling (mostly unwilling) to block assaults by Trump and his base on the rule of law. Those assaults, were they to be normalized, would pose existential, not incidental, threats to American democracy.

Future generations of scholars will scrutinize the many weird ways that Trump has twisted the GOP. For present purposes, however, let?s focus on the party?s failure to restrain the president from two unforgivable sins. The first is his attempt to erode the independence of the justice system. This includes Trump?s sinister interactions with his law-enforcement apparatus: his demands for criminal investigations of his political opponents, his pressuring of law-enforcement leaders on investigative matters, his frank efforts to interfere with investigations that implicate his personal interests, and his threats against the individuals who run the Justice Department. It also includes his attacks on federal judges, his pardon of a sheriff convicted of defying a court?s order to enforce constitutional rights, his belief that he gets to decide on Twitter who is guilty of what crimes, and his view that the justice system exists to effectuate his will. Some Republicans have clucked disapprovingly at various of Trump?s acts. But in each case, many other Republicans have cheered, and the party, as a party, has quickly moved on. A party that behaves this way is not functioning as a democratic actor.

The second unforgivable sin is Trump?s encouragement of a foreign adversary?s interference in U.S. electoral processes. Leave aside the question of whether Trump?s cooperation with the Russians violated the law. He at least tacitly collaborated with a foreign-intelligence operation against his country?sometimes in full public view. This started during the campaign, when he called upon the Russians to steal and release his opponent?s emails, and has continued during his presidency, as he equivocates on whether foreign intervention occurred and smears intelligence professionals who stand by the facts. Meanwhile, the Republican Party has confirmed his nominees, doggedly pursued its agenda on tax reform and health care, and attacked?of course?Hillary Clinton.

We don?t mean to deny credit where it is due: Some congressional Republicans pushed back. Last year, pressure from individual Republicans seemed to discourage Trump from firing Attorney General Jeff Sessions and probably prevented action against Special Counsel Robert Mueller. Moreover, Republicans as a group have constrained Trump on occasion. Congress imposed tough sanctions on Russia over the president?s objections. The Senate Intelligence Committee conducted a serious Russia investigation under the leadership of Richard Burr. But the broader response to Trump?s behavior has been tolerant and, often, enabling.

The reason is that Trump and his forces have taken command of the party. Anti-Trump Republicans can muster only rearguard actions, which we doubt can hold the line against a multiyear, multifront assault from Trump and his allies.

It is tempting to assume that this assault will fail. After all, Trump is unpopular, the Republican Party?s prospects in this year?s midterm elections are dim, and the president is under aggressive investigation. What?s more, democratic institutions held up pretty well in the first year of the Trump administration. Won?t they get us through the rest?

Perhaps. But we should not count on the past year to provide the template for the next three. Under the pressure of persistent attacks, many of them seemingly minor, democratic institutions can erode gradually until they suddenly fail. That the structures hold up for a while does not mean they will hold up indefinitely?and if they do, they may not hold up well.

Even now, erosion is visible. Republican partisans and policy makers routinely accept insults to constitutional norms that, under Barack Obama, they would have condemned as outrageous. When Trump tweeted about taking ?NBC and the Networks? off the air (?Network news has become so partisan, distorted and fake that licenses must be challenged and, if appropriate, revoked?), congressional Republicans were quick to repudiate ? left-wing media bias. In a poll by the Cato Institute, almost two-thirds of Republican respondents agreed with the president that journalists are ?an enemy of the American people.? How much damage can Trump do in the next three years? We don?t know, but we see no grounds to be complacent.

The optimistic outcome depends to some degree on precisely the sort of oppositional partisanship we are prescribing. For Trump to be restrained going forward, key congressional enablers will need to lose their seats in the midterm elections to people who will use legislation and oversight to push back against the administration. Without such electoral losses, the picture looks decidedly grimmer.

Finally, we might not be talking about just three more years. Trump could get reelected; incumbent presidents usually do. In any event, he is likely, at a minimum, to be renominated for the presidency.

That?s because Trump has won the heart of the Republican base. He may be unpopular with the public at large, but among Republicans, nothing he and his supporters said or did during his first year in office drove his Gallup approval ratings significantly below 80 percent. Forced to choose between their support for Trump and their suspicion of Russia, conservatives went with Trump. Forced to choose between their support for Trump and their insistence that character matters, evangelicals went with Trump.

It?s Trump?s party now; or, perhaps more to the point, it?s Trumpism?s party, because a portion of the base seems eager to out-Trump Trump. In last year?s special election to fill a vacant U.S. Senate seat in Alabama, Republican primary voters defied the president himself by nominating a candidate who was openly contemptuous of the rule of law?and many stuck with him when he was credibly alleged to have been a child molester. After initially balking, the Republican Party threw its institutional support behind him too. In Virginia, pressure from the base drove a previously sensible Republican gubernatorial candidate into the fever swamps. Faced with the choice between soul-killing accommodation and futile resistance, many Republican politicians who renounce Trumpism are fleeing the party or exiting politics altogether. Of those who remain, many are fighting for their political lives against a nihilistic insurgency.

So we arrive at a syllogism:

(1) The GOP has become the party of Trumpism.
(2) Trumpism is a threat to democratic values and the rule of law.
(3) The Republican Party is a threat to democratic values and the rule of law.


If the syllogism holds, then the most-important tasks in U.S. politics right now are to change the Republicans? trajectory and to deprive them of power in the meantime. In our two-party system, the surest way to accomplish these things is to support the other party, in every race from president to dogcatcher. The goal is to make the Republican Party answerable at every level, exacting a political price so stinging as to force the party back into the democratic fold.

The off-year elections in November showed that this is possible. Democrats flooded polling places, desperate to ?resist.? Independents added their voice. Even some Republicans abandoned their party. One Virginia Republican, explaining why he had just voted for Democrats in every race, told The Washington Post, ?I?ve been with the Republicans my whole life, but what the party has been doing is appalling.? Trump?s base stayed loyal but was overwhelmed by other voters. A few more spankings like that will give anti-Trump Republicans a fighting chance to regain influence within their party.

We understand why Republicans, even moderate ones, are reluctant to cross party lines. Party, today, is identity. But in the through-the-looking-glass era of Donald Trump, the best thing Republicans can do for their party is vote against it.


We understand, too, the many imperfections of the Democratic Party. Its left is extreme, its center is confused, and it has its share of bad apples. But the Democratic Party is not a threat to our democratic order. That is why we are rising above our independent predilections and behaving like dumb-ass partisans. It?s why we hope many smart people will do the same.

This article appears in the March 2018 print edition with the headline ?Boycott the GOP.?
 
Republicans such as Senators John McCain and Bob Corker and Jeff Flake and Ben Sasse, as well as former Governors Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush, have spoken out and conducted themselves with integrity.

There is nothing new under the sun.  This article represents the latest iteration of the Never Trump movement.  Trump was elected to smash their globalist, pro-war, pro-big government movement to pieces.  Of course they feel an existential threat, ... they are going extinct!

Here are some of the things these "pro-democracy" Republicans have supported:

-Waterboarding
-Warrantless wiretapping
-Indefinite detention
-CIA black sites
-Invasion of Iraq using fake intelligence
-Bailouts of Wallstreet
 
Liar Loan said:
Republicans such as Senators John McCain and Bob Corker and Jeff Flake and Ben Sasse, as well as former Governors Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush, have spoken out and conducted themselves with integrity.

There is nothing new under the sun.  This article represents the latest iteration of the Never Trump movement.  Trump was elected to smash their globalist, pro-war, pro-big government movement to pieces.  Of course they feel an existential threat, ... they are going extinct!

Here are some of the things these "pro-democracy" Republicans have supported:

-Waterboarding
-Warrantless wiretapping
-Indefinite detention
-CIA black sites
-Invasion of Iraq using fake intelligence
-Bailouts of Wallstreet


Good point - so you think we are less "pro-war (with all the additional military spending) " , pro big government (with massive deficits now and more to come with infrastructure plan)"  with Trump in charge now ?

We have just replaced social welfare with corporate welfare

And the biggest beneficiary of TPP repeal is China that will now eat our lunch in trade in Asia
 
The article focuses on one republican voter who decided he's voting democrat, then spends the rest of the time vilifying Trump and concluding that all republicans should vote democrat because Trump = bad.  The fact is, the "resist" movement has nothing to show for themselves.  Schumer shutdown was a flop and the democrats took all the heat.  There is a generous DACA solution on the table that provides a path to citizenship for 2 million illegal aliens (3x as much as originally asked for) and democrats balked.  They have no accomplishments to run on.  I'm eager to see what message democrats have for midterms because right now there is none.  I don't think "Trump is bad, mmmkay" is going to work as well as they think it is.
 
That being said, I am personally actually thankful for the election of Trump .  Might sound bizzare coming from me but here is why 

It has lit up a fire on the activism front esp w younger generation and will accelerate the handoff of political power from boomers to gen-x / y / z .  Yes, social media outrage doesn't always translate to votes but the effect will be magnified now, and it will matter a LOT in close races (not so much in Idaho or Nebraska etc)

It is also a catalyst for social change big time by exposing all the issues way into the open - sexual harassment, bigotry , bullying , you name it.  No one can pretend to ignore them anymore 

It has exposed the flaws and dangers to our democracy -- esp arising from social media -- so every one has heightened awareness now

It has been a slap in the face for Democratic Party senior leadership and their arrogance and complacency and they are forced to contend with the new reality which they cannot ignore anymore.  Some people worry it is pushing the party to the left.  I disagree.  Special election candidates who won recently were all organic byproducts who reflected the values of the places they are from, not "Pelosi-san-francisco trope"  that the right wing media goes nuts about

For all his other good qualities , I was never a fan of Obama's foreign policy and Trump is doing well to shake it up a bit, esp in North Korea, even if it is by accident. 

It has decimated any remaining perception of supposed moral high ground  that evangelicals and so-called "family values" voters used as a bludgeoning tool.  they will still vote gop, but hard to indoctrinate their  kids to the same degree going forward 

It has lit a fire,  after many decades, into investigative journalism that was left for dead .  all the government scandals and corruption we are learning about now , wouldn't have been covered under a different president.  Even if a Dem comes back to power, it will be hard for them to put the genie back in the bottle.
 
I'm glad that over the past year the Atlantic has been at the forefront of uniting the neoconservatives and liberals.

I've always believed the neoconservatives are not real conservatives and are in fact closet liberals so I commend the Atlantic for confirming this in print.
 
Happiness said:
I'm glad that over the past year the Atlantic has been at the forefront of uniting the neoconservatives and liberals.

I've always believed the neoconservatives are not real conservatives and are in fact closet liberals so I commend the Atlantic for confirming this in print.

Obsessing with labels is not going to help discern right from wrong ... doesn?t matter who is saying it

Elections are won in the middle not at the left or the right , especially when partisanship is so hard set in this country almost like concrete
 
fortune11 said:
That being said, I am personally actually thankful for the election of Trump .  Might sound bizzare coming from me but here is why 

It has lit up a fire on the activism front esp w younger generation and will accelerate the handoff of political power from boomers to gen-x / y / z .  Yes, social media outrage doesn't always translate to votes but the effect will be magnified now, and it will matter a LOT in close races (not so much in Idaho or Nebraska etc)

It is also a catalyst for social change big time by exposing all the issues way into the open - sexual harassment, bigotry , bullying , you name it.  No one can pretend to ignore them anymore 

It has exposed the flaws and dangers to our democracy -- esp arising from social media -- so every one has heightened awareness now

It has been a slap in the face for Democratic Party senior leadership and their arrogance and complacency and they are forced to contend with the new reality which they cannot ignore anymore.  Some people worry it is pushing the party to the left.  I disagree.  Special election candidates who won recently were all organic byproducts who reflected the values of the places they are from, not "Pelosi-san-francisco trope"  that the right wing media goes nuts about

For all his other good qualities , I was never a fan of Obama's foreign policy and Trump is doing well to shake it up a bit, esp in North Korea, even if it is by accident. 

It has decimated any remaining perception of supposed moral high ground  that evangelicals and so-called "family values" voters used as a bludgeoning tool.  they will still vote gop, but hard to indoctrinate their  kids to the same degree going forward 

It has lit a fire,  after many decades, into investigative journalism that was left for dead .  all the government scandals and corruption we are learning about now , wouldn't have been covered under a different president.  Even if a Dem comes back to power, it will be hard for them to put the genie back in the bottle.

Trump was originally a democrat before running as a republican.  Trump wins as republican and gets all of the GOP to fall in line behind him.  Republican President Trump is an outgoing character that is categorized as a racist, bigot, misogynist, and unhinged, when before running for office Trump was seen as none of the above and even called the "American Dream" by Obama.  GOP is forced to protect and support him because the party must be unified. Republican Trump rallies democrats far and wide to take back the country by threatening democracy.  Democrats take super majority in the house and senate by the time Trump leaves office.  Trump goes back to being a democrat again after tearing down the republican party from within and the country never elects a republican ever again.

Twelve dimensional underwater chess.
 
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