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<p>Hey folks, </p>

<p>Just wanted to know your opinion on how to break into this business for someone with little start-up money and no experience (that would be me :). Any advice is helpful (SFR vs. multi-family dwelling vs. commercial property). II did read all the consumer-type pamphlets and how-to books, so I'd be interested in your personal experience/anecdotal evidence.</p>

<p>I've been thinking of doing that for a while, but I'd always decide against it after reading horror tenant stories and watching movies like The Fourth Floor and the Pacific Heights. </p>
 
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.lordingtheland.blogspot.com/">Defunct</a> but still a good read.</p>

<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.thelandlordblog.com/">Another</a>.</p>
 
Or if you do decide to buy 14 houses in a couple of months, you shouldn't quit your job as a Taco Bell manager until you see how things work.





(Yes, that guy Jeff actually worked as a Taco Bell manager before he decided to become the next Donald Trump)
 
I'm not sure if it is mentioned in the link provided here, but I read about Jeff on either IamFacingForeclosure.com or one of the blogs in the Casey-sphere.
 
The ultimate goal is to find a property that has <a href="http://www.johntreed.com/positive.html">positive cash flow</a>. As the link states, that is difficult to find. However, appreciation is gone, and the so called appreciation investors are gone with it. Thank gawd. I have seen a few 2-4 unit properties that are tempting, but nothing yet to make me jump in. It may still take a while, but those appreciation investors will get tired of being landlords of a depreciating asset soon enough. I have seen a few multi-units that are in foreclosure, and a few that have gone back to the bank, and I know there will be more. I watched properties sell for prices with a cap rate of 1%-2% in 03, 04 and 05, and thought these people were nuts. Now, rents have not gone up and neither has the value of the property. No one likes losing money, and as soon as they realize they are losing it hand over fist, they will walk.





An SFR as an investment property is typically an awful investment. Unless you can pick up an SFR from a scratch and dent lender for $0.40 on the $, then forget about if can't. They are almost never near cash flow positive, and we are still in so far away in the rent to own ratio, that it would be a major wallet drainer. Maybe, you could buy in bulk from a bank's REO collection, but that will take more than a little start up money. SFRs that can be bought cheap, fixed up, and sold for a profit are great. But, with sales volume being as low as the 70s, I wouldn't even think about. If you do not believe me, then go to the foreclosure auction. You will see it has become a spectator sport, and even the players are just watching.





I have never invested in commercial, so take it for the €2 it is worth. I would stay away. CRE is about to get hammered. Last quarter there was a negative absorption rate of over 800k sqft. The cap rates the last few years have been utterly stupid. There has been a tremendous amount of over building, that it almost reminds me of all the buildings sitting empty in the 90s. Not as bad, but almost as bad. I mentioned that I liked medical buildings in the past. Medical is the one sector that is growing, continues to grow, and grew in all the other recessions. However, they are typically larger buildings, and cost a good chunk of change. I wish I could say I have the cash to make it happen, but it may be a few more years before I do. CRE requires big down payments, and it seems the credit crunch is starting to hit there too, so it will not be easy to get a loan. And, for whatever reason many doctors are terrible money managers. I think it is because they are just too busy and tired to care. And, if patients can't pay, then they do not get paid. Just another layer of risk to take on there.





Don't let me discourage you, but you do have to know it isn't easy to invest in RE. There have been and will be deals out there, and there will be many more to come. Patience is the key here. I have been for 5 years and I can be for a few more too.
 
<p>graphix-thanks for the tips, I did think about getting a SFR (not anymore). </p>

<p>I was also thinking of multi-family dwelling, but with the current prices I'd only be able to get one in a really bad neigborhood (good luck to me chasing tenants with a shotgun to obtain rent payments and vice versa :)</p>

<p>originally, my idea was to get 100K-priced condo in a so-so neighborhood and then get more if the first one goes well. but I could never bring myself to deal with the tenants who rent at $500 a month... </p>

<p>I remember a guy, a potential juror, when I reported to jury duty, who said he quit this business b/c his last tenants took everything out of the house (including a 3-year old cheap carpet throughout) with them as a parting gift...</p>
 
<p>Graphics does a pretty good analysis. For my apartments I have a whopping 3.8%, that is going to go up in the near future, but not as drastically as most people think. As also mentioend, I DID put down a HUGE amount of money to get the busienss going. </p>

<p>I went with middle income apartments because people there are more resonable. Rich people can be just as obnoxious as the very poor because they feel they are OWED consideration. I just let a management company take over because its much less hassle. Don't get me wrong though, they make more money than I do and sometimes it is very annoying.</p>

<p>My suggestion now is look for houses on the market for a LONG time, look for houses that have also some amount of negelect. After working on the numbers see how much you need to buy it for, then negotiate from there. Its alot of work, but it can be done.</p>

<p>-bix</p>
 
<p>Because I made the mistake of riding the bubble and ALL of the money was in 1031 accounts. Which was enough to start buying VERY upper echelon houses. So you tell me, take the risk of buying a multimillion dollar house(s), the risk of buying and running apartments OR cash out and take a 50% or more hit on the money? At least when I sell the apartments coming up I will get a little bit of money as well as decent cash. THEN i'll look at getting a house(s) some cash and maybe a investment property or two. We'll see. I'm just thinking at the moment i'll cash out and retire.</p>

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<p>-bix</p>
 
I'm always for cashing out, if there is anything to cash out of... just to save myself some trouble. Not if you are going lose any money on it of course, so whatever brings a higher profit. I don't understand what you mean by taking a 50% hit on the money if you cashed out? you mean like a penalty for early withdrawal? Then yeah, it does not make any sense to do it.
 
<p>A capital gain <em><strong>is</strong></em> profit that results from the sale or exchange of a capital asset over its purchase price.</p>

<p>Capital gains <strong><em>are</em></strong> better than losses<em>.</em></p>

<p>The capital gains tax <strong>is</strong> set at 15% in Brazil.</p>

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I think my confusion results from people using the plural when it is obvious that they really mean the singular. Hence my brain wanting to hear the singular verb.
 
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