Is Irvine ready for ISIS/mass shooting type events?

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What do you think?  Possible target?  I would think we are a soft target.  Probably not worth a terrorists attention to attack a boring suburb.  But after Nice/lone wolf style attacks, who knows.  Anyone can snap/radicalize/sleeper cell activate.  Hopefully we'll be ready if it does happen. 

Where do you see vulnerabilities?  UCI?  Spectrum?  Any place that people mass?
https://ociac.ca.gov

 
I think with everything that's going on, every time I'm in a large group of people I think about it - especially if I'm with my family.  Particularly Spectrum on a weekend evening, even the movie in the park I went to last week, I was looking around for anyone acting suspicious.
 
ps9 said:
What do you think?  Possible target?  I would think we are a soft target.  Probably not worth a terrorists attention to attack a boring suburb.  But after Nice/lone wolf style attacks, who knows.  Anyone can snap/radicalize/sleeper cell activate.  Hopefully we'll be ready if it does happen. 

Where do you see vulnerabilities?  UCI?  Spectrum?  Any place that people mass?
https://ociac.ca.gov

Well, there are tons of ex-pat Muslims living at the Spectrum apartments.
 
WTTCHMN said:
ps9 said:
What do you think?  Possible target?  I would think we are a soft target.  Probably not worth a terrorists attention to attack a boring suburb.  But after Nice/lone wolf style attacks, who knows.  Anyone can snap/radicalize/sleeper cell activate.  Hopefully we'll be ready if it does happen. 

Where do you see vulnerabilities?  UCI?  Spectrum?  Any place that people mass?
https://ociac.ca.gov

Well, there are tons of ex-pat Muslims living at the Spectrum apartments.

Based on events in the last week (Dallas and Baton Rouge), I'd be more worried about ex-US military than any foreigners.
 
@iac

Well the shootings in Dallas and Baton Rouge were targeted whereas Nice was indiscriminate,  I'm more worried about the latter because I fall into that group. 
 
aquabliss said:
I think with everything that's going on, every time I'm in a large group of people I think about it - especially if I'm with my family.  Particularly Spectrum on a weekend evening, even the movie in the park I went to last week, I was looking around for anyone acting suspicious.

I avoid large crowds as much as possible....unless it's Disneyland.  For the most part, I don't think about it.....I didn't even think about it when I was in London & Paris for a few weeks a month ago.  The Belgian airport attack was still fresh in people's minds back then. 
 
paydawg said:
aquabliss said:
I think with everything that's going on, every time I'm in a large group of people I think about it - especially if I'm with my family.  Particularly Spectrum on a weekend evening, even the movie in the park I went to last week, I was looking around for anyone acting suspicious.

I avoid large crowds as much as possible....unless it's Disneyland.  For the most part, I don't think about it.....I didn't even think about it when I was in London & Paris for a few weeks a month ago.  The Belgian airport attack was still fresh in people's minds back then.

You avoid large crowds in the US, but you went to Europe recently.
 
eyephone said:
paydawg said:
aquabliss said:
I think with everything that's going on, every time I'm in a large group of people I think about it - especially if I'm with my family.  Particularly Spectrum on a weekend evening, even the movie in the park I went to last week, I was looking around for anyone acting suspicious.

I avoid large crowds as much as possible....unless it's Disneyland.  For the most part, I don't think about it.....I didn't even think about it when I was in London & Paris for a few weeks a month ago.  The Belgian airport attack was still fresh in people's minds back then.

You avoid large crowds in the US, but you went to Europe recently.

I avoid large crowds because I hate crowds...not because of fear of terrorism.  I'm not going to live my life in fear. 
 
paydawg said:
eyephone said:
paydawg said:
aquabliss said:
I think with everything that's going on, every time I'm in a large group of people I think about it - especially if I'm with my family.  Particularly Spectrum on a weekend evening, even the movie in the park I went to last week, I was looking around for anyone acting suspicious.

I avoid large crowds as much as possible....unless it's Disneyland.  For the most part, I don't think about it.....I didn't even think about it when I was in London & Paris for a few weeks a month ago.  The Belgian airport attack was still fresh in people's minds back then.

You avoid large crowds in the US, but you went to Europe recently.

I avoid large crowds because I hate crowds...not because of fear of terrorism.  I'm not going to live my life in fear.

Why do you hate large crowds?
 
eyephone said:
irvinehomeowner said:
I dislike crowds too... especially Disneyland.

Does it make you angry when you see large crowds?
More like irritated.

I don't like waiting in long lines, trying to park in crowded lots, or being crammed in any area with too many people.

I think I've grown claustrophobic in my old age.
 
I foresee many more attacks like Nice or Orlando. It is very difficult to stop a self radicalized individual in the US or abroad. If you have a psychiatric condition, easy availability of weapons, and internet access, it is a recipe for disaster. The one that worries me the most is another Sandy Hook style massacre from a domestic jihadist.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Do Muslim extremists (for lack of a better term) target areas with a large Muslim population?

Yes.  Vast majority of victims and fatalities are Muslims, per US State Department.

Annually, about 42,000 Americans commit suicide, 32,000 killed in car accidents, 14,000 killed in homicide, and far less by acts of domestic or foreign terrorism.  The vast majority of firearm related deaths are from handguns and not rifles.

If it'd make you feel better, you can purchase Level 2 soft ballistic vest insert (10"x12"), which cost about $65.  Larger (11"x14" or bigger) backpack armor is also avail at higher cost.  They weight ~1 lb and will stop handgun calibers up to 357 magnum fired from handguns.  To stop rifle rounds, you'd need heavier steel plates that weight 8 lbs for $65-$85.  They can be carried in your backpack's laptop compartment. 

In an active shooter scenario at the office, you have the option to wear the backpack and hide in place or flee AWAY from the shooter, should you choose to take that risk.  Or, you can hold the backpack by hand as a shield and engage the shooter with any improvised weapon avail, such as a hammer from an innocent looking toolkit in your drawer for office decorations, or that fruit knife for cutting watermelons at the office party.

If you choose to put on an actual plate carrier ("bullet proof vest") or pull out a CCW pistol, be warned that the police may identify YOU as the shooter.  Also, bullet resistant is not the same as stab resistant, so if the assailant is armed with a sharpened screwdriver, it may punch through soft body armor.

Threats from explosives are much more difficult to defend against.  No background checks needed to order pressure cookers from Amazon.  You could carry a lightweight IFAK ($40-$80) which includes chest seals, compression bandages, and blood clotting agents.  Adventure medical kits sell a small trauma pack starting at $25 that can fit in a pouch or purse for EDC (every day carry).  An small emergency first aid kit that you have with you when you need it, is better than a larger one that you left at home.

Should we avoid crowded public places or vacation in France in fear of terrorists?  NO.  I'd be happy to give my tourist dollars to Nice.  I may not be able to stop terrorists from attacking, but they won't stop me from choosing where to spend my time and money in Irvine or France.

nice-overview-coastline-large.jpg
 
Muslim dude from Morocco stabs 3 girls in France aged 8,12, and 14 for being scantily dressed while on vacation:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/france-holiday-horror-mother-young-daughters-stabbed-being-scantily-dressed-1571467?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=rss&utm_content=/rss/yahoous/news&yptr=yahoo
 
I'll be shopping at Albertsons or Kohls and see someone walking around with a black hijab and full black outfit.  It immediately makes me think, "oh shit" for less than half a second.  Half a second later, I think "doesn't this person know not to try to look exactly like those terrorists?  Wear something else other than black!"

But no, the thought never crossed my mind to prepare for such an event happening here.  Then again, one did happen in San Bernandino and we probably have more muslim immigrants here than they do there.
 
For those who might be interested, there's an anti-terrorism and kidnapping course offered on Sept 25 in Anaheim:http://www.californiasurvivaltraining.com/antiterrorism-kidnapping

COURSE OVERVIEW: ANTI-TERRORISM AND KIDNAPPING SEMINAR

Learn the essentials of avoiding and escaping terrorist attacks and kidnapping in this one day training intensive. Criminals are looking for the easiest targets, "targets of opportunity". Learn to harden your defenses and increase your awareness in this ground breaking course. This course is modeled on the Joint Chiefs of Staff Anti-Terrorism Awareness course, currently in heavy use by government personnel and military.

*Learn the essentials of cover and concealment and how to respond in the event of a mass shooting

*Learn to identify improvised explosive devices and suspicious packages

*Learn to inspect a vehicle for tampering or explosives

*Learn the most common tactics used my terrorists that you may build your defenses against them               

*Learn to avoid the most common mistakes made by high value targets

*Learn to identify "dry runs" and tests of security

*Learn to identify unwanted surveillance

*Learn to asses a buildings security defenses and weaknesses, and how to reinforce rooms, and other improvised defences

*Learn to construct safe travel plans

*Learn how to identify "fishing attempts" and how to speak to attackers if engaged                                     

*Learn how to escape common restraints such as handcuffs and zip ties

*and more!

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The cost is $215.  I have not taken courses from them.  This post is for informational purpose only and not an endorsement.
 
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