follow-on from Where are the jobs? - FORTUNE article on top cities for savings

This articls lends support to the thesis around large centers of high paying professional jobs.



Money & Investing

Best Cities For Savings

Kurt Badenhausen 12.08.07, 3:50 PM ET

For two years, we have been hearing about the negative savings rate in this country. Americans spend more than we make, so the chorus goes. The government reported that the personal savings rate turned negative in 2005 for the first time since the Great Depression. Things were worse in 2006.



It's not true. The Bureau of Economic Analysis recently revised the 2005 rate from negative 0.5% to positive 0.5% and the 2006 rate from negative 1.1% to positive 0.4%. The revisions did not get nearly the fanfare that the original reports of a negative savings rate garnered.



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Of course a savings rate of 0.4% is nothing to crow about. Basically we saved 40 cents for every $100 in income in 2006. The rate was 12% 25 years ago and is still double digits in places like France and Germany.



"The U.S. as a whole is not doing very well saving money," says Sophie Beckman, financial planning specialist at investment brokerage A.G. Edwards, a unit of Wachovia (nyse: WB - news - people ).



There are, however, some cities where residents are doing a much better job than others building their wealth. To gauge who is doing the best job, A.G. Edwards released its third annual Nest Egg Index, which ranks the top 500 metro areas based on their residents' investing and personal savings habits.



Los Alamos, N.M., scored the top spot for the second year in a row. The birthplace of the atomic bomb has a big lead over second-ranked San Jose, Calif. Los Alamos amazingly had the highest rating in the country for five of the 12 categories that A.G. Edwards studied, including 401(k) plan participation, household income, net worth, pension or other retirement plan participation and savings propensity. A big dose of credit must go to the Los Alamos National Laboratory, which is one of the largest employers in New Mexico and is packed with high-paying jobs for scientists and engineers.



The Nest Egg Index examined the 938 metropolitan and micropolitan statistical areas in this country (only the top 500 were ranked). While the personal savings rate does not take into account asset appreciation, the Nest Egg Index does by looking at net worths and home values. Over half of a city's ranking is based on its performance in four categories: investing propensity, savings propensity, 401(k) plan participation and pension plan participation. The remaining criteria that make up the Index include cost of living, credit card debt, employment rates, home ownership, household incomes and mortgage balances.



Moving up one spot his year was San Jose, home base to tech giants like Cisco Systems (nasdaq: CSCO - news - people ), eBay (nasdaq: EBAY - news - people ) and Intel (nasdaq: INTC - news - people ). San Jose ranked first in the U.S. when it came to housing values and personal credit card debt. On the negative side: With those pricy homes come the highest mortgage values in the country.



The biggest gainer in the top 10 was San Francisco, which moved up to fifth from ninth last year. San Fran, the corporate home for Gap (nyse: GPS - news - people ), McKesson (nyse: MCK - news - people ) and Wells Fargo (nyse: WFC - news - people ), benefited from improved showings in 401(k) and pension plan participation as well as cost of living (albeit still one of the highest costs in the country).



There were several common themes among the top-ranked places, including low credit card debt levels. Of the top 20 ranked metro areas, 19 ranked better than the national average when it came to personal debt (only Edwards, Colo., ranked in the bottom half). All 20 ranked above average when it came to savings and investing propensity.



Most of the country?s biggest metro areas scored poorly on the Nest Egg Index. Of the 10 largest metros, only Washington, D.C. ranked in the top 50, thanks to a strong showing on housing values, investing propensity and 401(k) participation. The biggest deterrent for big city residents to building their nest eggs are high costs of living. Only Houston and Atlanta have costs of living below the national average according to A.G. Edwards.



East Coast states dominate A.G. Edwards' state-by-state Nest Egg ranking. Six of the top seven states are on the East Coast led by Connecticut in the top spot. The Nutmeg State was best in the country when it came to 401(k) plan participation and investing propensity. The biggest gainer among the states was New York, which clocked in at the 29th spot, up from 38th the prior year. New York benefited from increasing home values and 401(k) participation as well as declining debt levels.



Building a nest egg continues to be a challenge for many Americans. Pension plans are on the wane as more than 100,000 single-employer defined benefit plans with 7.5 million participants have terminated over the past 20 years, according to the U.S. Department of Labor. A.G. Edwards found in a survey that only 62% of adults say they or someone in their household has a retirement plan through an employer or financial institution. If you are among the 38% without a plan, the consensus among financial planner is start one now.



Or you could always move to Los Alamos
 
<p><em>East Coast states dominate A.G. Edwards' state-by-state Nest Egg ranking. Six of the top seven states are on the East Coast led by Connecticut in the top spot. The Nutmeg State was best in the country when it came to 401(k) plan participation and investing propensity.</em> </p>

<p>Just thought I would highlight this...consider it a shameless plug for my home state.....Nutmeg Nation ! </p>

<p>Connecticut's biggest downfall is the taxes. Combining property/state/income taxes, you will also find we are # 1 (worst) in the nation.</p>
 
<p>Well, it's not what you'd think.....<a href="http://www.netstate.com/states/intro/ct_intro.htm">Introduction to Connecticut - The United States of America</a></p>

<p>We also elected the nation's first woman governor, Ella Grasso, in 1975. (well, the first that didn't succeed a husband who had died) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ella_Grasso">Ella T. Grasso - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a></p>
 
<em>WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL NOON TIME FOR THE CENTRAL AND SOUTHEASTERN CATSKILLS...MID HUDSON VALLEY...BERKSHIRES AND LITCHFIELD COUNTY CONNECTICUT. </em>

<p><em>LIGHT FREEZING RAIN...FREEZING DRIZZLE AND EVEN SOME SLEET WILL CONTINUE ACROSS THE ADVISORY THIS MORNING. THE PRECIPITATION WILL FINALLY COME TO AN END EARLY THIS AFTERNOON AS THE AREA OF LOW PRESSURE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE <strong>WINTRY MESS</strong> MOVES FARTHER OUT TO SEA.</em></p>

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<p><a href="http://www.weather.com/weather/local/06412?lswe=06412&lwsa=WeatherLocalUndeclared&from=whatwhere">Chester Weather Forecast and Conditions Connecticut (06412)</a> Just drizzle on my end. My house is near the shore, so we don't get the weather the inland part of the state gets.</p>

<p>C'mon Eff....shoveling is good excercise ! </p>
 
<p>Why not go FTW?</p>

<p><em>Q: What's the most </em><a target="_blank" href="http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9049898"><em>outrageous experience</em></a><em> you had?</em></p>

<p><em>A: We have this tradition called the 300 Club. When the temperature drops below -100 we hike the sauna up to 200 degrees and stay in there as long as we can stand it. Then we run outside, naked, around the geographic pole and back inside so we get that total 300-degree change in temperature. That happens every year and it's absolutely amazing. Just the feel of that cold on your skin is like nothing else. People always wonder if you can feel the difference between 60 below and 100 below and the answer is absolutely.</em></p>

<p><em>Q: Doesn't your skin freeze in those temperatures?</em></p>

<p><em>A: That's why you spend as much time as possible in the sauna. The trick is to pace yourself. You can't run because if you do you're going to get frost bite in your lungs. But you don't want to walk too slowly or you will lose all of your body heat and get frost bite in various sensitive spots. There's definitely a happy medium of a fast walk. But even at that when everyone comes back inside, with all of the hacking and coughing going on the place sounds like a tuberculosis ward for the next couple of days.</em></p>
 
<p>Well, this thread has been thoroughly hijacked!</p>

<p>So, don't the wooden nutmegs contradict the Steady Habits nickname?</p>

<p>I'd heard of wooden nickels, but not wooden nutmegs!! </p>

<p>I thought Taxachusetts was the worst, but I stand corrected.</p>
 
<p>It doesn't hurt that Los Alamos (Lost Almost) is removed from the places where you can't spend alot (minus the casino's and drinking... alot) Plus New Mexico is dirt poor and if you get paid a good wage you live VERY well. </p>

<p>Guess where I used to work and guess what I helped make? </p>

<p> </p>

<p>-bix</p>
 
Funny, I'm moving from Los Alamos to Irvine next month. While the people make more up here, there ain't squat to do for someone in their 20-30's. We have one grocery store that's open till 12 a.m., a Starbucks, a hardware store, Quizno's, Subway, Pizza hut, a few mom & pop shops and that's it. We use to have a decent bar to go to until it closed. Now the only place that is left is the Canyon Bar & Grill, which the locals have named, "the stink & drink".



I can't wait to get to Irvine.
 
I must have missed what the thesis actually was. Something to do with high-paying jobs I'm sure.





As for the negative savings rate, I don't see much difference between -0.05 and 0.05, let's just call it zero, as in, America (as a nation) has stopped saving altogether. What a great position to be in for any unexpected economic calamity!





Since the nest egg index considers house values part of "investing and personal savings habits" I think you pretty much have to throw the whole study out. It's worthless. Just seems like an ad to scare you into contacting your local financial advisor.
 
<p>Kinetics... </p>

<p> What group/bldg did you used to work with? I used to be on the "other" side of the canyon.... But you are right, not much to do there unless you feel like driving to Santa Fe (and even then the streets roll up by 8-9ish). I used to live in a house on Manhatten LP.... then moved a little bit away. I guess things are bad not that they've announced the 300ish or so layoffs....</p>

<p>Good luck</p>

<p>-bix</p>
 
<p>momopi,</p>

<p> You have NO idea how many people drink there... and when I say drink... I mean... d.r.i.n.k. There is opportunity but it isn't cheap. I think during the next business boom "LA" will have something. But until then there just isn't enough land and the land is too expensive. Besides there are many casinos as well as nice restraunts in Santa Fe. Its just a short drive away though.</p>

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<p>-bix</p>
 
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