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What's with the tile flooring...was this a thing like 3 to 5 years ago?  I hate tile floor indoors and it's brutal on the knees/ankles.  Tile is also very difficult/expensive to replace so you are stuck with it unless you want to put down more money after the WTF pricing. /old man rant.

That is true...but with positivity rate and number of positive cases staying flat...it is likely an indication of backlog or max capacity.  At best, the pandemic is still raging at 11% positivity rate. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/covid-19-testing-capacity-strained-surge-demand-n1249592...

Just cause I live in Irvine now and am old...I have noticed a lot of teenagers just hanging out on skateboards/bikes around various shopping malls in Irvine...of course most of them have no masks on.

We shall see but positivity rate is holding steady, which seems to mean that we are at testing capacity.

There are no facts...it's apparently all subjective because I mean...who knows which facts are from Satan and which ones are from God.

So basically you are saying that there are no absolutely facts and one should just make the determination what is real or what is not based upon one's own views on "reality"? 

Then what does give someone credibility..if not someone who spent their entire life studying a subject?  How does one make risk analysis about activities?  If your doctors tell you that you have cancer...do you go "these guys don't know what they are talking about?"

Again..what is your basis for these opinions?  If true... 1)  Why is Sweden shutting down, 2)  Why have the numbers spike in the US and elsewhere with the loosening of restriction 3)  Why are the countries have had strict guidelines and strong lockdown the ones least impacted by COVID 4) ...

1)  Okay...what is that opinion based upon?  2)  What do you think we should do now? 

Mety:  I have a question for you...what is the acceptable death/hospitalization rate for you to say that a shutdown is necessary? We are at 280K death...is 200K death much better?  What if we hit 500K by next year?  Is that acceptable?  Does the fact that older people die mean less?

There may be fuzz but there is little indication that there is any significant deviation.  The note you specifically referenced goes both ways...COVID deaths could be misidentified as Flu/pnenumonia vice versa.  Considering COVID is much deadlier than flu and the lack of testing...it much more...

Considering the ongoing debacle and embarrassment Trump and his supporters have been since election day...snowflake will be forever reserved for Trumpers.

That's always the been the case...reality, facts, and norms never mattered, just about their desires.  They are perfectly fine with Trump becoming a dictator and a military dictatorship.  Go look at what Flynn is advocating. 

@irvinehomeowner:  You have more patience than me...I already gave up.  It doesn't matter what the data or facts say...conclusions are already made.  For the others:

Market is not really making sense any more...it's a lot of Robin Hood traders that push stocks that they like.  BBY reported great earnings yesterday and got slammed.  Tesla is marching to 600 without any reason. Market is up and down on whatever the news of the day is.  Just irrational...

I just want them to bring back the Combo pizza. 

Heck...none of the lawsuits filed by Trump team even alleges fraud...because it requires a heightened level of pleading/proof.  They are trying the "equal protection" route by claiming that not all votes were equal...still got blasted by the courts.

I have come to the conclusion that people are trying to pretend that COVID is not really COVID...it's like the flu or the common cold.  "ALL WE NEED TO DO IS QUARANTINE ALL THE OLD PEOPLE AND PEOPLE WHO ARE SICK!" Anyone who has small children knows that even the flu is spread without symptoms...

Are we going back to this argument again?  This is like dealing with Trump supporters on "election fraud"...."how do you know there wasn't fraud..." Just stick with "I am okay with a 1.7% mortality rate and healthcare system on the brink of collapse" stance...at least it's understandable.

http://theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/11/third-surge-breaking-healthcare-workers/617091/ And people can't even be bothered to put on a mask or make their own turkey.