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Re: Observations from the front lines of the Irvine housing market…
« Reply #1020 on: May 20, 2022, 06:02:27 PM »
@IHO, in my mind, I've always been civil & respectful to you even when I was "piling up" on you with others. I hope you saw it that way too.

This is quite true... even when I got a bit snarky with you. But my point is where were you to defend my contrarian viewpoint? Why do you only love Liar Loan? :)

But your take is a bit one-sided. I know you like the against the grainer (Yang!) but I think you also have to recognize that some posters really bring it on themselves.

Maybe you miss the posts where LL is being very condescending to other members... but he's really jumped the shark. Sure he tries to disguise it with links from other sites but he is so wrong now that I'm not the only one who disagrees with him.

And don't get me wrong, I do understand he has knowledge and experience but that all gets tainted with his one sided view of Irvine which he projects on others because of what's happened to him in the past.

And he doesn't practice what he preaches. He talks about not buying back in 2018 because he expected a slowdown/drop/plunge in prices yet he bought outside of Irvine where he claims homes dropped less thus meaning he actually paid more. And while he was buying, why wasn't he recommending that to others instead of arguing against me then and now blaming me for buying way before 2018 and "getting mine"?

I can go on and on about his hypocrisies but the biggest one is him getting his hand caught in the Irvine Pain Jar. He kept saying Irvine owners will be in for lots pf pain when prices drop... and now he's switched it to Irvine buyers are experiencing pain because prices went up instead of down.

Sorry... but there comes a point where his knowledge/experience is overshadowed by lies and deception. This is that time... instead of manning up... he's doubling down and that's why posters like Calbears and even R2D (who is really nice) are fed up.
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Re: Observations from the front lines of the Irvine housing market…
« Reply #1021 on: May 20, 2022, 06:15:51 PM »
I will be the first to block you, moreBS and ll.  No option to mute/block someone here on IT. Such an old school forum.

Well, there is an Ignore List, and I have moretroll, akula and LL on the list. Most of the time I don't see their posts, when someone replies to their posts, I will see the content of their posts.

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Re: Observations from the front lines of the Irvine housing market…
« Reply #1022 on: May 20, 2022, 06:26:01 PM »
Calbear, I disagreed with LL on many issues. I disagree with SGIP on lots of issues. I disagree with IHO on some issues.

Yet, I still believe it’s possible to disagree with someone and still feel that person is worthy of respect.

I use TI for information. Substantive and diverse discourse is what intrigues me.

Even if you disagree with LL on RE, he has been around for a long time & made great points and given good perspective on other subjects.

That's my perspective. You don't have to agree. You'll probably find this laughable too, and that's just fine.

And what exactly is the point of trying to get someone to " admit they were wrong" ?

If you truly have such an negative opinion of LL, why not just mute / block him?

It might be better so we can have more civil discourse and not stoop down to 5th grade drama.

@IHO, in my mind, I've always been civil & respectful to you even when I was "piling up" on you with others. I hope you saw it that way too.

You don't seem to get my point.

I don't have a negative opinion of LL because I disagree with his opinions. It's because he's a hypocrite who refuses to admit he was wrong and doubles down with lies and cherry picking data to want to be right.

I have even worse opinion of moretroll and akula because they've been spreading misinformation.

I disagree with SGIP and R2D on some issues too, but I respect their opinions.

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Re: Observations from the front lines of the Irvine housing market…
« Reply #1023 on: May 20, 2022, 06:31:49 PM »
@IHO, in my mind, I've always been civil & respectful to you even when I was "piling up" on you with others. I hope you saw it that way too.

This is quite true... even when I got a bit snarky with you. But my point is where were you to defend my contrarian viewpoint? Why do you only love Liar Loan? :)

But your take is a bit one-sided. I know you like the against the grainer (Yang!) but I think you also have to recognize that some posters really bring it on themselves.

Maybe you miss the posts where LL is being very condescending to other members... but he's really jumped the shark. Sure he tries to disguise it with links from other sites but he is so wrong now that I'm not the only one who disagrees with him.

And don't get me wrong, I do understand he has knowledge and experience but that all gets tainted with his one sided view of Irvine which he projects on others because of what's happened to him in the past.

And he doesn't practice what he preaches. He talks about not buying back in 2018 because he expected a slowdown/drop/plunge in prices yet he bought outside of Irvine where he claims homes dropped less thus meaning he actually paid more. And while he was buying, why wasn't he recommending that to others instead of arguing against me then and now blaming me for buying way before 2018 and "getting mine"?

I can go on and on about his hypocrisies but the biggest one is him getting his hand caught in the Irvine Pain Jar. He kept saying Irvine owners will be in for lots pf pain when prices drop... and now he's switched it to Irvine buyers are experiencing pain because prices went up instead of down.

Sorry... but there comes a point where his knowledge/experience is overshadowed by lies and deception. This is that time... instead of manning up... he's doubling down and that's why posters like Calbears and even R2D (who is really nice) are fed up.

I think you made a great point. As a natural contrarian with Yang genes, I do get drawn to contrarian opinions. Sometimes without even realizing it.

I will admit that I'm biased & prone to being one sided on some issues.

And I did have periods where I don't check TI for months. I probably don't have the full scope of all the back & froths.

But I also tend to not care about internet dunks or settling scores.

I rather just have insightful info, reading people's perspectives that challenges mine, and I like data. And LL check those boxes for me.

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Re: Observations from the front lines of the Irvine housing market…
« Reply #1024 on: May 20, 2022, 07:26:15 PM »

It’s kind of odd someone who doesn’t live here posts so regularly. It’s like me posting on TalkLagunaNigel (if it’s exists) and trashing the city even though I don’t live there….frankly just odd and creepy.

Expecting a bearing outlook is reasonable but at least commit to a timeframe and prediction instead of saying the sky is falling for 36 months straight.

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Re: Observations from the front lines of the Irvine housing market…
« Reply #1025 on: May 20, 2022, 09:39:23 PM »
We are all being troll by a bot, or bots... :)


I DON’T SEE ANYTHING BAD HAPPENING TO THE HOUSING MARKET.

No one is moving with a 3% mortgage.

No one buying with a 6% mortgage.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2022, 09:55:59 PM by Compressed-Village »

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Re: Observations from the front lines of the Irvine housing market…
« Reply #1026 on: May 21, 2022, 11:13:31 AM »
Add in prop 13 and housing inventory gonna stay down.

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Re: Observations from the front lines of the Irvine housing market…
« Reply #1027 on: May 21, 2022, 12:54:03 PM »
Add in prop 13 and housing inventory gonna stay down.

Yupper, this is icing on the cake to boot.

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Re: Observations from the front lines of the Irvine housing market…
« Reply #1028 on: May 21, 2022, 12:56:19 PM »
Now I see why Irvine Co is one of the most 50 valuable private holding company. Their residential rentals is off the chart.

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Re: Observations from the front lines of the Irvine housing market…
« Reply #1029 on: May 21, 2022, 01:02:42 PM »
Now I see why Irvine Co is one of the most 50 valuable private holding company. Their residential rentals is off the chart.

Yea, back pre-2000 they used to share the wealth, Irvine Apartment Communities    was a REIT throwing 13-15% when they took it back private.

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Re: Observations from the front lines of the Irvine housing market…
« Reply #1030 on: May 22, 2022, 01:16:33 AM »
We are all being troll by a bot, or bots... :)


I DON’T SEE ANYTHING BAD HAPPENING TO THE HOUSING MARKET.

No one is moving with a 3% mortgage.

No one buying with a 6% mortgage.
Cash buyers don't care what rates are. With rates going up, housing prices generally go down, which means ones cash goes further than when rates are low.

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Re: Observations from the front lines of the Irvine housing market…
« Reply #1031 on: May 22, 2022, 05:36:53 PM »
Calbear, I disagreed with LL on many issues. I disagree with SGIP on lots of issues. I disagree with IHO on some issues.

Yet, I still believe it’s possible to disagree with someone and still feel that person is worthy of respect.

I use TI for information. Substantive and diverse discourse is what intrigues me.

Even if you disagree with LL on RE, he has been around for a long time & made great points and given good perspective on other subjects.

That's my perspective. You don't have to agree. You'll probably find this laughable too, and that's just fine.

And what exactly is the point of trying to get someone to " admit they were wrong" ?

If you truly have such an negative opinion of LL, why not just mute / block him?

It might be better so we can have more civil discourse and not stoop down to 5th grade drama.

@IHO, in my mind, I've always been civil & respectful to you even when I was "piling up" on you with others. I hope you saw it that way too.

You don't seem to get my point.

I don't have a negative opinion of LL because I disagree with his opinions. It's because he's a hypocrite who refuses to admit he was wrong and doubles down with lies and cherry picking data to want to be right.

I have even worse opinion of moretroll and akula because they've been spreading misinformation.

I disagree with SGIP and R2D on some issues too, but I respect their opinions.

The only thing I have against Irvine, is the state it sits in and the policies and politics of that state. It's leading to two classes of people, the haves and the have nots and that isn't a good thing. There should be some hope for people to grow up here, be able to afford to live here, go to school here, raise a family and buy a house and I don't see that happening unless you're part of the haves growing up. Shouldn't be like that, imo.

Irvine itself is a very nice place to live (although they do keep the negatives under wraps).

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Re: Observations from the front lines of the Irvine housing market…
« Reply #1033 on: May 24, 2022, 07:15:09 PM »
April new home sales fell 16.6%
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/24/sales-of-new-homes-plunge-in-april-00034708

Note those are national numbers; the reduction was lower in the West

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