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Re: OC Power Authority
« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2022, 01:22:52 PM »
I got the "account not recognized" error and doubled checked my SCE account info and turns out the zip code SCE has for my address isn't my zip code - go figure. Was able to get the opt out through on the website with that change, so definitely worth a double check.

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Re: OC Power Authority
« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2022, 01:44:40 PM »
I got the "account not recognized" error and doubled checked my SCE account info and turns out the zip code SCE has for my address isn't my zip code - go figure. Was able to get the opt out through on the website with that change, so definitely worth a double check.

I double checked and SCE does have the correct zip code. I guess I'll have to call OCPA to opt out.  :P

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Re: OC Power Authority
« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2022, 03:46:56 PM »
I found out why my account was not found. I called OCPA and was told that my address is not part of their "program". I wonder if it's the entire Portola Springs or just the newer part of Portola Springs. Two of my co-workers (one at Hillside and the other one at an older KB home community built back in 2012) said they don't remember getting the notice.

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Re: OC Power Authority
« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2022, 09:40:18 AM »
When talking to people in Irvine about OCPA, the most common responses seem to be:
* I haven't received any notification from OCPA
* I thought it was junk mail, so I threw it in the trash
* I don't understand what's going on

It's rather alarming that so few people know/understand anything about OCPA... let alone being very knowledgeable about the situation.

Interestingly, it seems like the more people learn about OCPA, the more unhappy/angry they are about the situation and the more adamant they are about opting out.

Are there any Talk-Irvine forum members who are actually choosing to stay with OCPA?  If so, is it at the 100% Renewable Energy Level?

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Re: OC Power Authority
« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2022, 10:06:25 AM »
shady practice....looks at the rate difference between SCE and OCPA for the 100% renewable plan, people are default to OCPA 100% renewable so that means OCPA is probably pocketing the difference...buy from SCE and sell it higher to the residents.

When talking to people in Irvine about OCPA, the most common responses seem to be:
* I haven't received any notification from OCPA
* I thought it was junk mail, so I threw it in the trash
* I don't understand what's going on

It's rather alarming that so few people know/understand anything about OCPA... let alone being very knowledgeable about the situation.

Interestingly, it seems like the more people learn about OCPA, the more unhappy/angry they are about the situation and the more adamant they are about opting out.

Are there any Talk-Irvine forum members who are actually choosing to stay with OCPA?  If so, is it at the 100% Renewable Energy Level?
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Re: OC Power Authority
« Reply #35 on: August 12, 2022, 10:25:12 AM »
When talking to people in Irvine about OCPA, the most common responses seem to be:
* I haven't received any notification from OCPA
* I thought it was junk mail, so I threw it in the trash
* I don't understand what's going on

It's rather alarming that so few people know/understand anything about OCPA... let alone being very knowledgeable about the situation.

Interestingly, it seems like the more people learn about OCPA, the more unhappy/angry they are about the situation and the more adamant they are about opting out.

Are there any Talk-Irvine forum members who are actually choosing to stay with OCPA?  If so, is it at the 100% Renewable Energy Level?

I would opt out. Even if I were to choose to stay with OCPA, it's definitely NOT 100% Renewable because that's the most expensive choice in every plan.

Take Domestic Plan (Tier) Regeneration Charge for example:

Basic Choice: $0.09843
Smart Choice: $0.10843
100% Renewable Choice: $0.11343


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Re: OC Power Authority
« Reply #36 on: August 12, 2022, 03:35:58 PM »

That OCPA flyer shows that SCE has a 100% Green plan that is the cheapest of all?
How did something like this get approved as an opt-out versus an opt-in? And they muscled SCE into doing so? Must be some pretty powerful and shady people. Please do point out if this is a better deal for residents - it certainly doesn’t seem like it.

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In answer to all the residents (and business owners) who ask “How is it even legal for the Irvine City Council to do this”...

The Public Utilities Commission website says, in part, “Community Choice Aggregation (CCA) was enacted by Assembly Bill 117 (AB 117) in 2002. Under AB 117, "all electrical corporations must cooperate fully with community choice aggregators investigating, pursuing, or implementing community choice aggregator programs."  It also says “Potential customers within a community's service area are automatically enrolled in a CCA program unless they opt out, provided that they are notified in writing of their right to opt out.”


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Re: OC Power Authority
« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2022, 07:22:40 AM »
Is it true that the Orange County Power Authority (OCPA) CEO has no college degree and/or experience in the Energy sector?  If so, why was he even considered for the position?

Interestingly, the Orange County Grand Jury report on OCPA indicates that:
* “County executive job descriptions normally include the requirement of an advanced degree or significant managerial experience in the relevant field.”
* “Inexplicably, the position descriptions for [OCPA] COO and CEO were not made publicly available prior to the hiring decision. The job descriptions also lacked any requirement for prior education, experience, knowledge of the electrical utility or energy industries, or CCEs. Recruiting efforts were minimal at best, despite these public positions being highly demanding and very well compensated. This is not consistent with best practices. The positions require the public’s trust and, preferably, prior familiarity with CCEs.”

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Re: OC Power Authority
« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2022, 10:42:52 PM »
Anyone know if SCE or OCPA is better for solar customers?

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Re: OC Power Authority
« Reply #39 on: August 22, 2022, 11:44:49 PM »
Anyone know if SCE or OCPA is better for solar customers?

Post #29 may answer your question.

"If you have solar AND generate more than you use then this is a small win since they pay an extra 10% over SCE’s NSC rate. It looks like you will still receive an annual bill from SCE for meter reads and transmission though. I’m not sure the 10% is worth the hassle of an extra bill. "

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Re: OC Power Authority
« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2022, 08:40:10 PM »
I can't even opt out online. What a hassle.

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Re: OC Power Authority
« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2022, 09:53:45 PM »
I can't even opt out online. What a hassle.

One of my co-workers said the same. Would have to call them. I think they try to make it as difficult to opt out as possible.  :P

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Re: OC Power Authority
« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2022, 10:59:13 AM »
By any chance, has anyone vetted the information in the following article for accuracy?

https://irvinecommunitynewsandviews.org/omg-khan-kuo-carroll-electricity-tax-forces-irvine-residents-to-pay-18-more-for-the-same-renewable-electricity-sce-provides/

If the information is true, it would seem to provide:
* Additional reasons for residential customers to opt out of OCPA before the deadline
* Reasons to avoid voting for elected officials who waste taxpayer money.  (For example, the article says  “In fact, the City’s own electricity use was transferred over to OCPA this past April, and the City is now spending $100,000 per month more for electricity — paid for with Irvine taxpayer dollars!”

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Re: OC Power Authority
« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2022, 12:01:06 PM »
The facts are what they are.  Voters approved to be automatically opted in to a program that will charge them more for electricity that is promised to be from a "green" portfolio administered by a government agency.  It's purely a slight of hand that does not deliver what voters thought they were voting for.

Everyone, no matter what they sign up for, is receiving power from the interconnected (except for Texas) North American power grid.  Every operational generation site pushes electricity through wires connected to every operational usage device.  Generation must = load within a very small tolerance, otherwise things break.  You have only one grid to choose from to get electricity.  There's no special wire going from the green generation plant to plug into your house.  The only thing that changes is you're being charged a special rate to the OCPA

So when OCPA buys power from it's carefully chosen (*cough* biggest donors and supporters *cough*) "green" generation sites, those "green" generation sites now have less generation capacity to sell to SCE. It was going to sell the "green" generation energy anyway, but instead of to SCE, now it's to OCPA. 

It makes no difference to SCE because they always pay market rate for electricity whether it comes from nuclear, gas, solar, wind, or hydro, and pass that price on to the customer at cost (zero mark up) per law.  SCE is generation source agnostic (in terms of price).  It's mandate is to deliver power and maintain grid reliability.  It's profit comes from a markup charged to users on the costs to maintain the grid, which they own, and that mark up amount is set annually by the California Public Utility Commission.

When you use SCE, you're paying market rate for electricity + cost plus a fixed mark up set by the government for SCE to transmit power to your house.

When you use the OCPA you're paying some negotiated rate for green electricity + OCPA administration + SCE (via OCPA) for the use of their local grid.

Nothing has changed in the overall portfolio of electricity generation with this new OCPA program.  Users of OCPA are simply paying for an extra layer of administration +/- some negotiated rate for green electricity.

SCE users continue to pay market rates for electricity + transmission costs + a government set mark up on those transmission costs.

Time and time again voting to give more power (no pun intended) to the government proves to deliver deceit, corruption, inefficiency, and unintended consequences.  Yet voters keep supporting measures like this because just maybe, this time will be different. 
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