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Re: Great Park & El Toro Base / Areas of Concern
« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2021, 08:58:10 PM »
You pay HOA...

There's an HOA in the majority of the communities in Irvine, some more some less so I don't think that adds much to this discussion, if someone stresses over a difference of $100/month for HOA, they probably shouldn't stretch for the home.  But as moc said, HOA and MR are separate.  And yes, you do somewhat get a say in where it goes, go to the board meetings, join the HOA board.  There are the occasional HOA votes they send out to the community as well.

MR is different, but a lot of the newer Irvine and Tustin communities have it for the next 20-45yrs, so 4k vs 7k vs 10+k a year, it is what it is. Most people don't stay in a home for 20+/30+ years these days.

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Re: Great Park & El Toro Base / Areas of Concern
« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2021, 10:49:32 PM »
As blunt as it sounds, isn't that expected? If I pay close to 2% MR and homes there are generally around 1M+, I expect the amenities they already have and maybe more. The fact that I have no say as a homeowner on what gets built there is another concern that hasn't been mentioned here either.

I don't think you have a say in where the MR goes in any community, so we can say that about any community.  Pretty sure the builder paid MR in Baker Ranch hasn't gone to build a new school that the residents want.
You pay HOA...

HOA and MR are completely separate. I'm think MR go to the City and HOA goes to your homeowner association.
Let’s not get all technical here. Point is, you best be getting the best facilities if you’re paying 2% in property taxes and you best be getting a say in what gets built in your community when you pay HOA.

And last time I checked, no homeowner has a say in what gets built in GP which is a shame. I don’t know what HOA you live in where you get no say in what gets built in your community unless you live in GP.
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Re: Great Park & El Toro Base / Areas of Concern
« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2021, 10:54:03 PM »
You pay HOA...

There's an HOA in the majority of the communities in Irvine, some more some less so I don't think that adds much to this discussion, if someone stresses over a difference of $100/month for HOA, they probably shouldn't stretch for the home.  But as moc said, HOA and MR are separate.  And yes, you do somewhat get a say in where it goes, go to the board meetings, join the HOA board.  There are the occasional HOA votes they send out to the community as well.

MR is different, but a lot of the newer Irvine and Tustin communities have it for the next 20-45yrs, so 4k vs 7k vs 10+k a year, it is what it is. Most people don't stay in a home for 20+/30+ years these days.
My argument was never about HOA being a deal breaker for home buyers. It was the fact that homeowners at GP have no say in what gets built. Last time I checked, most HOA’s do allow us to vote and the fact that you pay such a premium to live in GP and have no say in what gets built absolutely sucks.

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Re: Great Park & El Toro Base / Areas of Concern
« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2021, 06:19:09 AM »
My argument was never about HOA being a deal breaker for home buyers. It was the fact that homeowners at GP have no say in what gets built. Last time I checked, most HOA’s do allow us to vote and the fact that you pay such a premium to live in GP and have no say in what gets built absolutely sucks.

Let me ask it another way, which Irvine and surrounding city's community do you have a say where MR goes?

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Re: Great Park & El Toro Base / Areas of Concern
« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2021, 09:14:14 AM »
My argument was never about HOA being a deal breaker for home buyers. It was the fact that homeowners at GP have no say in what gets built. Last time I checked, most HOA’s do allow us to vote and the fact that you pay such a premium to live in GP and have no say in what gets built absolutely sucks.

Let me ask it another way, which Irvine and surrounding city's community do you have a say where MR goes?
If you pay HOA, you have a say in all communities that I’m aware about besides GP. Please inform me another community besides GP. Don’t know what you’re getting at here.

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Re: Great Park & El Toro Base / Areas of Concern
« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2021, 09:24:02 AM »
Just don't buy at GP. 8)

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Re: Great Park & El Toro Base / Areas of Concern
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2021, 09:25:55 AM »
Another fact is that the most owners of GP homes are at overseas or something. So they might not really care where the HOA or MR money go. They just buy and sell when they see profits while letting the renters enjoy the hood. I'm sure the builders here knew that from the get go.

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Re: Great Park & El Toro Base / Areas of Concern
« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2021, 10:48:35 AM »
My argument was never about HOA being a deal breaker for home buyers. It was the fact that homeowners at GP have no say in what gets built. Last time I checked, most HOA’s do allow us to vote and the fact that you pay such a premium to live in GP and have no say in what gets built absolutely sucks.

Let me ask it another way, which Irvine and surrounding city's community do you have a say where MR goes?
If you pay HOA, you have a say in all communities that I’m aware about besides GP. Please inform me another community besides GP. Don’t know what you’re getting at here.

His point is that you're confusing HOA with MR. The 2% property tax that you kept referring to is MR, not HOA. MR goes to the City of Irvine. HOA goes to the Homeowners Association.

MR is used to build facilities in the neighborhoods, such as schools, fire departments, etc.

HOA is used for amenities in the community, such as pool, club house, etc. And you don't actually get a say in that either because all of that is decided and planned for before the community is built. After the community is built out, HOA is used for maintenance.

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Re: Great Park & El Toro Base / Areas of Concern
« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2021, 07:43:43 AM »
What CalBears96 said, you were talking about a 2% increase, that's MR.  But HOA does what an HOA does, you have some input via votes, but it's a process to get on the HOA board and try and push your own agenda.  How about I ask which HOA let's you choose what's being built.

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Re: Great Park & El Toro Base / Areas of Concern
« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2021, 03:14:57 PM »
From my personal experiences, HOAs are pain to deal with in every aspect. Your life is so much better if you don’t need to deal with them at all. Maybe it’s not the case if you’re part of the board members or something. But yeah, good luck with your voices being heard.

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Re: Great Park & El Toro Base / Areas of Concern
« Reply #40 on: November 12, 2021, 03:26:00 PM »
From my personal experiences, HOAs are pain to deal with in every aspect. Your life is so much better if you don’t need to deal with them at all. Maybe it’s not the case if you’re part of the board members or something. But yeah, good luck with your voices being heard.

Yeah, HOA is a pain in the ass. I have a rental in Lake Elsinore and it has HOA even though there's absolutely no amenities whatsoever. I'm not even sure why there's HOA. My home in Eastvale doesn't have HOA. Every now and then I would get these violation letters. The latest one is that I have to re-paint the exterior of the house. The cheapest quote I got was $6k. That's why I'm going to sell the damn house when the lease expires in June.

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Re: Great Park & El Toro Base / Areas of Concern
« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2021, 05:04:54 PM »
My argument was never about HOA being a deal breaker for home buyers. It was the fact that homeowners at GP have no say in what gets built. Last time I checked, most HOA’s do allow us to vote and the fact that you pay such a premium to live in GP and have no say in what gets built absolutely sucks.

Let me ask it another way, which Irvine and surrounding city's community do you have a say where MR goes?
If you pay HOA, you have a say in all communities that I’m aware about besides GP. Please inform me another community besides GP. Don’t know what you’re getting at here.

His point is that you're confusing HOA with MR. The 2% property tax that you kept referring to is MR, not HOA. MR goes to the City of Irvine. HOA goes to the Homeowners Association.

MR is used to build facilities in the neighborhoods, such as schools, fire departments, etc.

HOA is used for amenities in the community, such as pool, club house, etc. And you don't actually get a say in that either because all of that is decided and planned for before the community is built. After the community is built out, HOA is used for maintenance.
I think we are analyzing this way too much. The point being is if you're paying 1M+ per home, HOA $2xx+, and 2% taxes with no say in what gets built, that is a problem. Not to mention, you are getting squeezed in like sardines. When people say GP has the best facilities, to me that is expected. If akkord wants to get all technical and try to scrutinize the details, let him be.
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Re: Great Park & El Toro Base / Areas of Concern
« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2021, 10:25:27 AM »
Then how about the facilities at Serrano Summit? If I remember correctly, sleepy5136 lives there. With not having MR and ok HOA fees, is it not as good as GP's amenities where you pay ridiculously higher amount?

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Re: Great Park & El Toro Base / Areas of Concern
« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2021, 11:32:32 AM »
Then how about the facilities at Serrano Summit? If I remember correctly, sleepy5136 lives there. With not having MR and ok HOA fees, is it not as good as GP's amenities where you pay ridiculously higher amount?

MR is irrelevant when it comes to amenities at a community, such as Serrano Summit. That's all HOA.

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Re: Great Park & El Toro Base / Areas of Concern
« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2021, 01:12:49 PM »
Sometimes, it's good to have minimal MR to create infrastructures like school. Last I check with Meadows sales center, they don't have dedicated home school. You can apply to go Foothill or Portola elementary, but you may not get it.

 

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