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So how is it going at work for you?

Still remote and will probably be this way permanently
7 (23.3%)
Part remote, part in-office
11 (36.7%)
Mandatory in-office
8 (26.7%)
Quitting or looking because of in-office
1 (3.3%)
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3 (10%)

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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2021, 11:36:13 AM »
My career would be nowhere if I didn't prioritize F2F interaction with senior execs, all of whom have come back and we are trying to lead by example.

Prioritizing lifestyle over career will be noticed and not rewarded. But no one will mind WFH on Fridays. All about striking the right balance.

Particularly dangerous for tech type, IMHO.  I can run a remote team from Czech, Romania, Ireland, India as readily as I can manage a team from at home in OC, Palo Alto, etc.  Initial sourcing is a pita, once done, sourcing then no more difficult than here.

I worked at IBM for a bit, they have successfully done WFH for decades. Make no mistake though, everybody WFH is a spreadsheet number.

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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2021, 01:41:01 PM »
My career would be nowhere if I didn't prioritize F2F interaction with senior execs, all of whom have come back and we are trying to lead by example.

Prioritizing lifestyle over career will be noticed and not rewarded. But no one will mind WFH on Fridays. All about striking the right balance.
This differs from each individual. There is no right or wrong answer to this. But putting out a blanket statement like that is quite harsh. You do know there are tons of stats saying that people work harder at home than in office right?

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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2021, 02:24:50 PM »
My career would be nowhere if I didn't prioritize F2F interaction with senior execs, all of whom have come back and we are trying to lead by example.

Prioritizing lifestyle over career will be noticed and not rewarded. But no one will mind WFH on Fridays. All about striking the right balance.
This differs from each individual. There is no right or wrong answer to this. But putting out a blanket statement like that is quite harsh. You do know there are tons of stats saying that people work harder at home than in office right?

Worker reported stats don’t mean anything, proof will be on the bottom line and if the org can get more done.

JIMHO, orgs should be able to get more done simply by WFH puts a neuter on shitshow instant reactionary crap. 

That said OCtoSV said a fundamental truth for corporate work.  If you are not establishing a personal relationship with the shakers, you’re just a contract cog.

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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2021, 05:04:09 PM »
My career would be nowhere if I didn't prioritize F2F interaction with senior execs, all of whom have come back and we are trying to lead by example.

Prioritizing lifestyle over career will be noticed and not rewarded. But no one will mind WFH on Fridays. All about striking the right balance.
This differs from each individual. There is no right or wrong answer to this. But putting out a blanket statement like that is quite harsh. You do know there are tons of stats saying that people work harder at home than in office right?

Worker reported stats don’t mean anything, proof will be on the bottom line and if the org can get more done.

JIMHO, orgs should be able to get more done simply by WFH puts a neuter on shitshow instant reactionary crap. 

That said OCtoSV said a fundamental truth for corporate work.  If you are not establishing a personal relationship with the shakers, you’re just a contract cog.
Being in tech that is simply not true. So it's definitely job specific. I rather let my technical skills do the talking and bring in my value from that than knowing how to kiss someones behind.

You're right, proof is the bottom line and is shown in tech earnings. Not sure if you're following tech earnings, but they are definitely outperforming. Hence their stock increase in 2020 despite the stupid narrative of dumping tech stocks because of rising interest rates.

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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2021, 05:13:09 PM »
My career would be nowhere if I didn't prioritize F2F interaction with senior execs, all of whom have come back and we are trying to lead by example.

Prioritizing lifestyle over career will be noticed and not rewarded. But no one will mind WFH on Fridays. All about striking the right balance.
This differs from each individual. There is no right or wrong answer to this. But putting out a blanket statement like that is quite harsh. You do know there are tons of stats saying that people work harder at home than in office right?

Worker reported stats don’t mean anything, proof will be on the bottom line and if the org can get more done.

JIMHO, orgs should be able to get more done simply by WFH puts a neuter on shitshow instant reactionary crap. 

That said OCtoSV said a fundamental truth for corporate work.  If you are not establishing a personal relationship with the shakers, you’re just a contract cog.
Being in tech that is simply not true. So it's definitely job specific. I rather let my technical skills do the talking and bring in my value from that than knowing how to kiss someones behind.

If you're not the one creating the idea for the product, the major design creator, you're just manufacturing fulfillment.

It's not *ss-kissing.  It's relationship.  It's established knowledge that you're the trustworthy competent 2nd tech opinion and eventually first opinion.

Good tech skills are hard to find, but they're still a commodity.

WFH, just makes the commoditization completely obvious and your competition directly global.

Make sure you're the top 5% doing the big picture work and not the widget work.

In other words, don't let your personal brand get commoditized.
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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #35 on: June 23, 2021, 05:36:18 PM »
My career would be nowhere if I didn't prioritize F2F interaction with senior execs, all of whom have come back and we are trying to lead by example.

Prioritizing lifestyle over career will be noticed and not rewarded. But no one will mind WFH on Fridays. All about striking the right balance.
This differs from each individual. There is no right or wrong answer to this. But putting out a blanket statement like that is quite harsh. You do know there are tons of stats saying that people work harder at home than in office right?

Worker reported stats don’t mean anything, proof will be on the bottom line and if the org can get more done.

JIMHO, orgs should be able to get more done simply by WFH puts a neuter on shitshow instant reactionary crap. 

That said OCtoSV said a fundamental truth for corporate work.  If you are not establishing a personal relationship with the shakers, you’re just a contract cog.
Being in tech that is simply not true. So it's definitely job specific. I rather let my technical skills do the talking and bring in my value from that than knowing how to kiss someones behind.

If you're not the one creating the idea for the product, the major design creator, you're just manufacturing fulfillment.

It's not *ss-kissing.  It's relationship.  It's established knowledge that you're the trustworthy competent 2nd tech opinion and eventually first opinion.

Good tech skills are hard to find, but they're still a commodity.

WFH, just makes the commoditization completely obvious and your competition directly global.

Make sure you're the top 5% doing the big picture work and not the widget work.

In other words, don't let your personal brand get commoditized.
I would argue having good work ethic would be more important and in turn can make one trust your work and be the one to go to. It does not involve needing to be physically in the office to do that. I'm also not against building relationships, but don't stand up here telling me that it requires to be in office to do so. I'm not going to work to look for a wife or a companion...

As for WFH increasing competition sure, I prefer that as I would like to have the ones that aren't qualified weeded out. :)

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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #36 on: June 23, 2021, 07:24:16 PM »
What is happening in this discussion is what I commented on earlier. Old school vs new school. As the younger 
sleepy5136 folks move up the mentality at the top will change, it’s only a matter of time.

Also, the key positions at companies are hard to get anyway, so even if you are the office full time there is no gaurantee that it will advance your career. The cream always rises. If the top performer is wfh that person will move up one way or another. 


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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2021, 09:29:50 PM »
Hardest part for me going back into the office.. figuring out what's for lunch.

I'm too lazy to pack and bring anything every day and that's where WFH was convenient because if I didn't have enough time I could do lunch in 5-10 minutes from whatever was in the fridge/freezer... whereas now I have to get in the car and drive somewhere.

Also running errands, going to medical/dental appointments or having trades people over was much easier... I was an in-office worker proponent but now I actually prefer remote or hybrid. You work weird hours but that's the plus, you make your own schedule outside of mandatory meetings/calls you have to attend.
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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2021, 09:38:26 PM »
I've been involved with an outsourcing project.  We had a contract with a programing shop in India.  Our project manager and his right hand man were both from India.  The entire thing was a shitshow.  For their part, the overseas workers were wonderful.  So eager to please, willing to put in crazy hours, time zones meant nothing, very responsive to requests/critiques, yadda yadda yadda.  But we were just too far apart in nuances.  The things we thought were most basic and which we never even thought to spell out were misconstrued, and they made assumptions based on what they thought was obvious.   I don't know if it was ethnic culture, or corporate culture, or both, but it was terrible.  Our programming costs dropped and our project management costs soared.  We were getting the results, but it took constant babysitting and a mind-numbing amount of iterations. I'm sure if we had stuck with it, we would have ended up with an acceptable solution for lower costs, but it wouldn't have been as user-approachable and our schedule did not allow it.  Managers get real antsy when a program is burning 10s of thousands of dollars an hour.  Based on that, and other things I've read, I'm not too worried about getting outsourced.  It's the guy in the next office over who's the threat.  But if we're #1 and #2, it doesn't really matter who's #1 and who's #2; we'll both always have jobs.

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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2021, 10:08:21 PM »
Hardest part for me going back into the office.. figuring out what's for lunch.

I'm too lazy to pack and bring anything every day and that's where WFH was convenient because if I didn't have enough time I could do lunch in 5-10 minutes from whatever was in the fridge/freezer... whereas now I have to get in the car and drive somewhere.

Also running errands, going to medical/dental appointments or having trades people over was much easier... I was an in-office worker proponent but now I actually prefer remote or hybrid. You work weird hours but that's the plus, you make your own schedule outside of mandatory meetings/calls you have to attend.
100% agree with above!!

I am not eager to get back into office.  My company seems fine with WFH for the most part. They have seen productivity boost up. When surveyed, pretty much all  my team preferred wfh full time.


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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2021, 08:50:57 AM »
My career would be nowhere if I didn't prioritize F2F interaction with senior execs, all of whom have come back and we are trying to lead by example.

Prioritizing lifestyle over career will be noticed and not rewarded. But no one will mind WFH on Fridays. All about striking the right balance.

I agree with part of this - face to face time is valuable and it's about balance. I will personally be doing 3-4 days a week in the office, with much more flexibility to WFH as needed.

But - prioritizing lifestyle over career is a false choice to me. I received the feedback that I was more productive and effective during COVID. Why? I was able to sleep more, exercise more, and spend more time with family (often virtually, but still). More time spent on my "lifestyle" translated into better productivity and outcomes at work!


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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2021, 09:25:52 AM »
Another factor is you were already established and held in high regard prior to covid wfh then wfh in the future will probably impact that person less than someone new to the company

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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2021, 10:17:04 AM »
I view WFH as more similar to not working in the HQ.

You can still be influential but have to put more strategic effort into it as you don’t have the casual exposure.  As the exec teams adapt, it potentially could be really empowering and field leveling for regional office players. 

In the transitional period, you have increased exposure to being collateral damage.  If you’re #1 or #2 on a org of 100, you’ll be fine, but the decision will be made at the aggregate level.  Really impactful at the mid level down, IMO.

As orgs adapt, that mid-level in Kansas is just as viable as the mid-level locally if the job goes full WFH. Even one day a week in office, keeps the job pool local.  The squeeze comes when orgs update their mindset from FTE headcount to $$$/org delivery.

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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2021, 10:57:43 AM »
The Hill Article: Two dead, four hospitalized in COVID-19 outbreak at Florida government building

Two people died and four were hospitalized after a coronavirus outbreak at a government building in Florida.
Manatee County Administrator Scott Hopes told CNN that the outbreak began in the IT department, and six people ended up being infected.

The one exposed employee in the department who was vaccinated did not get infected, the administrator said.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/559668-two-dead-four-hospitalized-in-covid-19-outbreak-at-florida

This maybe the new normal at workplaces.

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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2021, 11:21:13 AM »
Florida:  natural selection incubator

The Hill Article: Two dead, four hospitalized in COVID-19 outbreak at Florida government building

Two people died and four were hospitalized after a coronavirus outbreak at a government building in Florida.
Manatee County Administrator Scott Hopes told CNN that the outbreak began in the IT department, and six people ended up being infected.

The one exposed employee in the department who was vaccinated did not get infected, the administrator said.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/559668-two-dead-four-hospitalized-in-covid-19-outbreak-at-florida

This maybe the new normal at workplaces.

 

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