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So how is it going at work for you?

Still remote and will probably be this way permanently
7 (23.3%)
Part remote, part in-office
11 (36.7%)
Mandatory in-office
8 (26.7%)
Quitting or looking because of in-office
1 (3.3%)
Other
3 (10%)

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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2021, 10:53:08 AM »
Quoted from:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2021/06/15/morgan-stanley-ceo-james-gorman-said-about-his-return-to-headquarters-plan-if-you-can-go-to-a-restaurant-in-new-york-city-you-can-come-into-the-office/?sh=66095d7636a8

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2021/04/28/jp-morgan-requires-employees-to-return-to-their-offices-by-july-striking-a-blow-to-the-remote-work-trend/?sh=7b2b10f04cdc

growth opportunity - Similar to JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon’s position, Gorman said, “Returning to the office was particularly important for junior members of staff who were training on the job. “[The office is] where we teach, where our interns learn. That’s how we develop people. Where you build all the soft cues that go with having a successful career that aren’t just about Zoom presentations.”

company culture - “Most professionals learn their job through an apprenticeship model, which is almost impossible to replicate in the Zoom world.” The CEO expressed his concern, “Over time, this drawback could dramatically undermine the character and culture [of the company.]”

money - “If you want to get paid New York rates, you work in New York.”

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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2021, 11:12:16 AM »
If your job can be done remotely, what are the chances your company may find someone in China or India to  do it? Cheaper labor cost.

Last company i consulted for did that with their AP, sure it's cheaper, but there are issues along with it.  If it's a process from a to z with zero deviation, then it's good.  But there are always cases where something comes up and they typically require assistance/clarification from people in a different timezone before something gets done, (unhappy customers/vendors), which also puts additional strain on the non-outsourced current employees/work groups (longer hours).

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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2021, 11:19:18 AM »
Personally I like to be in office for the free coffee and the view. The drive to work is also scenic.


I respect your feedback. Free coffee? Been there done that. Free coffee, drinks, snacks, alcohol, food. Meh, I dont really care about that. Things I look for growth opportunity, company culture, and of course money.

Time and the flexibility in how you get to spend it would be high on my list.  Fortunately I get to spend time with the kiddos... I've seen alot of folks who make a ton of money but only spend a handful of waking hours with their kids a week (maybe it's their choice?)

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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2021, 11:27:59 AM »
Quoted from:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2021/06/15/morgan-stanley-ceo-james-gorman-said-about-his-return-to-headquarters-plan-if-you-can-go-to-a-restaurant-in-new-york-city-you-can-come-into-the-office/?sh=66095d7636a8

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2021/04/28/jp-morgan-requires-employees-to-return-to-their-offices-by-july-striking-a-blow-to-the-remote-work-trend/?sh=7b2b10f04cdc

growth opportunity - Similar to JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon%u2019s position, Gorman said, %u201CReturning to the office was particularly important for junior members of staff who were training on the job. %u201C[The office is] where we teach, where our interns learn. That%u2019s how we develop people. Where you build all the soft cues that go with having a successful career that aren%u2019t just about Zoom presentations.%u201D

company culture - %u201CMost professionals learn their job through an apprenticeship model, which is almost impossible to replicate in the Zoom world.%u201D The CEO expressed his concern, %u201COver time, this drawback could dramatically undermine the character and culture [of the company.]%u201D

money - %u201CIf you want to get paid New York rates, you work in New York.%u201D

Appreciate your post. But it all depends. A particular bolt or screw does not fit all holes.
Investment banking is a lot different from jobs in California.

We are not here to baby sit and watch you. Hand holding is a joke. High turnover rate working at the big firms even before covid.

Regarding zoom: if a person does not know how to use zoom or effectively communicate then maybe the job is not right for the person. 

If you are concerned about person quality of work. The company should hire better people and/or pay more for top notch college graduates. Everybody knows that.

New York pays well, but other places pay well also.
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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2021, 11:29:22 AM »
Personally I like to be in office for the free coffee and the view. The drive to work is also scenic.


I respect your feedback. Free coffee? Been there done that. Free coffee, drinks, snacks, alcohol, food. Meh, I dont really care about that. Things I look for growth opportunity, company culture, and of course money.

Time and the flexibility in how you get to spend it would be high on my list.  Fortunately I get to spend time with the kiddos... I've seen alot of folks who make a ton of money but only spend a handful of waking hours with their kids a week (maybe it's their choice?)

It is all relative and up to the person. There is no judgement. (No offense to the person that likes going to work for coffee is laughable. To me at least.)
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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2021, 01:32:19 PM »
Personally I like to be in office for the free coffee and the view. The drive to work is also scenic.


I respect your feedback. Free coffee? Been there done that. Free coffee, drinks, snacks, alcohol, food. Meh, I dont really care about that. Things I look for growth opportunity, company culture, and of course money.

My company culture encourages a lot of in person cooperation. It is one the better known companies in California.

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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2021, 01:35:38 PM »
Personally I like to be in office for the free coffee and the view. The drive to work is also scenic.


I respect your feedback. Free coffee? Been there done that. Free coffee, drinks, snacks, alcohol, food. Meh, I dont really care about that. Things I look for growth opportunity, company culture, and of course money.

My company culture encourages a lot of in person cooperation. It is one the better known companies in California.

Yeah it all depends on the industry and company.

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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2021, 03:01:19 PM »
Sure, but people do get to decide ultimately.

Not trying to nitpick, but people are invoking their ultimate choice by quitting as IHO pointed out in his original post / question.

And I get people's frustration with the teachers union in particular.

In NYC, the teachers received priority in getting vaccinated, but were the last hold outs on returning to in person teaching. Studies have shown that remote learning is 30%-70% less effective in content based learning. Parents are rightfully outraged.

Not sure if it's the same here in OC since my daughter is too young to go to school yet.

If this pandemic has changed people's mind on the work model they prefer I don't see how it makes them whiners. If they are willing to quit to keep the remote work model kudos to them, there are many reasons to want a job change and remote work is just one that is becoming more prevalent.

I'm not disputing the all teacher unions debacle, France managed to have all the kids back at school on January 4th 2021 and that was without widespread vaccination. Teachers strike on a regular basis in France but I did not hear much opposition to this when it was decided.

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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2021, 05:09:54 PM »
For the most part white collar workers have worked their entire career going into the office, including the c-suites that make the rules. Now that people have gotten a taste of remote work, as that older c-suite gets turned over and replaced with the younger more progressive people, the hybrid model or remote work will be the norm. The job market will dictate that the hybrid model/remote work be offered by all companies otherwise you won’t get the talent.

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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2021, 07:54:34 PM »
I wonder what kind of effect most companies requiring their employees to come in 2-3 days a week will have on the housing market (aka the flight from urban areas to the suburbs).
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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2021, 08:19:55 PM »
I can't imagine having to learn the ropes of my business remotely.  It's just too difficult.  Likewise, my effectiveness as a seasoned mentor is blunted.  Too many nuances that can't be communicated effectively with a screen share.  And sometimes the only way to get someone to stop ignoring emails and voicemails and jump through a required hoop is to go to their office and stand over their shoulder until they deal with it.  I have spoken to a number of people at work, and the opinion seems to be unanimous.  I think maybe the company is responding to candidate surveys from college kids the company is trying to recruit, and not listening to the new hires who already have the job.  At the end of the day, though, it'll only make me more valuable as time goes on, and I get to park a lot closer to the entrance, so I'm not going to complain too loudly.

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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2021, 10:09:22 PM »
Currently on remote, but have gone into office more than several times, and still no words on when we'll be called in.  For my job, I estimate that I need to be in office about half the times.  This remote working slows down progress of my projects somewhat.  My company just sent out a survey to all office people asking our preference on remote/in office work schedule.  I'm thinking of 2/3 hybrid schedule for myself.

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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2021, 07:53:08 PM »
I think it’s funny how some companies are trying to act tough and are not listening to their employees on such a simple matter. They aren’t asking for raises, they are simply asking for the flexibility to work wherever they want. As far as I’m concerned, why should it matter where one works? As long as they do their job and commit to their deliveries they promised, there should be no issues.

It will be interesting how this all plays out. I think companies are quite stupid if they think WFH is worth losing out on great talent. My company seems to be flexible with being remote fully and coming in as needed.

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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2021, 08:09:57 PM »
I think it’s funny how some companies are trying to act tough and are not listening to their employees on such a simple matter. They aren’t asking for raises, they are simply asking for the flexibility to work wherever they want. As far as I’m concerned, why should it matter where one works? As long as they do their job and commit to their deliveries they promised, there should be no issues.

It will be interesting how this all plays out. I think companies are quite stupid if they think WFH is worth losing out on great talent. My company seems to be flexible with being remote fully and coming in as needed.

A lot of company are paying salaries based on the zip code of the office location. That's why silicon Valley pays good compensation to offset the insane housing cost there.

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Re: Work situation?
« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2021, 10:56:09 AM »
My career would be nowhere if I didn't prioritize F2F interaction with senior execs, all of whom have come back and we are trying to lead by example.

Prioritizing lifestyle over career will be noticed and not rewarded. But no one will mind WFH on Fridays. All about striking the right balance.

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