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It is very clear the old man was trying to prevent that teen's dog very hard from reaching his own small dog at first. But that teen didn't do anything. That teen's irresponsibility caused everything after that. If anyone thinks whipping at an attacking dog should be blamed. Then didn't prevent a dog from attacking another dog is also something to be blamed. I don't know why someone loves dogs that much ignore that small dog was being hurt at first. There is no two wrongs IMO.

What was the old guy whipping the dog with?  I’m guessing the metal clasp of his leash.


It’s clear the old guy is swinging something at the dog.

Also, clear the old man’s dog isn’t on leash either..

JIMHO, looking like a two wrongs situation. Still totally unnecessary to assault the old guy.


This post is so stupid.

It's clear there isn't a racial motivation from the full uncut video (link below). It's just a problem of an asshole kid that did not leash his dog and committed a crime against an elderly person who whipped his dog. The kid is in the wrong here (twice), but don't try and spin this into a race thing. You act like the kid was trying to target the old man because of his race. It's clear he was just jogging by with an unleashed dog and severely overreacted to a man whipping his dog.





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I don't know why IPD cut the original video. Why not show the full unedited video from both angles?

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Sounds like the opinions I heard are largely a reflection of this one incident. Hopefully it's isolated. I remember violence back in the 80s against Asian students at San Marino and Arcadia HS attributed to "they're taking all the admission slots and scholarships". This was about the time the slur Chan Marino came into widespread usage.

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According to the CSUSB report that documents the 150% increase in hate crimes against Asians, the epicenters are:

New York City - 28
Bay Area (SJ/SF) - 19
Los Angeles - 15
Boston - 14

After that, the numbers drop to 6 or less for all other cities, and they didn't measure hate crimes in suburbs or rural areas.

https://www.csusb.edu/sites/default/files/FACT%20SHEET-%20Anti-Asian%20Hate%202020%203.2.21.pdf


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This is not an accurate picture unless rate per capita is provided. Those cities listed have the highest numbers of Asians. I'm sure Bend Oregon would have like 2 incidents per year!


quote author=Liar Loan link=topic=17863.msg377540#msg377540 date=1616700935]
According to the CSUSB report that documents the 150% increase in hate crimes against Asians, the epicenters are:

New York City - 28
Bay Area (SJ/SF) - 19
Los Angeles - 15
Boston - 14

After that, the numbers drop to 6 or less for all other cities, and they didn't measure hate crimes in suburbs or rural areas.

https://www.csusb.edu/sites/default/files/FACT%20SHEET-%20Anti-Asian%20Hate%202020%203.2.21.pdf
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This is not an accurate picture unless rate per capita is provided. Those cities listed have the highest numbers of Asians. I'm sure Bend Oregon would have like 2 incidents per year!


quote author=Liar Loan link=topic=17863.msg377540#msg377540 date=1616700935]
According to the CSUSB report that documents the 150% increase in hate crimes against Asians, the epicenters are:

New York City - 28
Bay Area (SJ/SF) - 19
Los Angeles - 15
Boston - 14

After that, the numbers drop to 6 or less for all other cities, and they didn't measure hate crimes in suburbs or rural areas.

https://www.csusb.edu/sites/default/files/FACT%20SHEET-%20Anti-Asian%20Hate%202020%203.2.21.pdf

We are talking about 122 total incidents across 16 major cities.  The numbers are tiny compared to the millions of Asians living in the US, so a per capita calculation is not going to reveal all that much.

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This is not an accurate picture unless rate per capita is provided. Those cities listed have the highest numbers of Asians. I'm sure Bend Oregon would have like 2 incidents per year!


quote author=Liar Loan link=topic=17863.msg377540#msg377540 date=1616700935]
According to the CSUSB report that documents the 150% increase in hate crimes against Asians, the epicenters are:

New York City - 28
Bay Area (SJ/SF) - 19
Los Angeles - 15
Boston - 14

After that, the numbers drop to 6 or less for all other cities, and they didn't measure hate crimes in suburbs or rural areas.

https://www.csusb.edu/sites/default/files/FACT%20SHEET-%20Anti-Asian%20Hate%202020%203.2.21.pdf

We are talking about 122 total incidents across 16 major cities.  The numbers are tiny compared to the millions of Asians living in the US, so a per capita calculation is not going to reveal all that much.

Yeah, it's a small number problem.  Going from 10 to 15 is a 50% increase, but it's not the same as going from 1000 to 1300 which is a 30% increase.  Saying that it's a 50% increase makes it sound a lot more dramatic, though.

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The media focus on Asian hate crimes serves to further the political and media narrative of white supremacy and what it's proponents claim is the greatest terrorism threat to the US.  The implication is that most of the Asian hate crimes are committed by white people of a certain political ideology.

Attached is a chart showing the types of hate crimes per 100,000 population.  Hate crimes against Jews has been steadily rising for the past few years but has not been getting the same attention from the mainstream media.  This despite far more hate crimes against Jews than hate crimes against Asians.  Certain elected officials in Congress as well as the media get a pass when they openly spew anti-sematic sentiment.  Makes it seem like it is okay to bash Jews just as it with privileged white males.  Identity politics at its best.

As an Asian, I'm not against this focus on Asian hate crimes but I think there is a fine line to toe.  People who dislike Asians will not stop disliking Asians because the media or the general public shames them or casts them in a certain light.  History is littered with examples of how targeting a group of people will actually cause that group to ultimately commit an atrocity.  What I would not want to see one day is a mass shooting against Asians caused by this narrative of white people committing Asian hate crimes.   If that were to happen, mainstream media would never take responsibility for what they caused and would be the first to say "I told you so".  So many in media seem to care less about journalism and more about activism and narratives these days. 

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What a strange viewpoint. Do you believe there's a vast media conspiracy or something? Unless you are just talking about the standard bullshit of hyperbole, clickbait, and tabloid journalism.

No shit a variety of groups are the target of hate crimes.

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Talking recently to friends and family in OC it seems a perception has formed that Irvine is becoming dangerous for Asians, especially for those of Chinese descent. What are Irvine residents seeing?

Last year, an older white lady on the opposite side of my street called me Chinaman in front of my daughter & told us to go back home and not spread the virus.

The only way to respond way is with a smile and throw up the peace sign or the middle. Lol

You're spot on  >:D

I remember wanting to give the middle finger after the initial few seconds of shock.

But my daughter was with me so I did not. And luckily she was too young to understand what happened.

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I would never have been interested in living in places like Huntington Beach, Newport Beach, Coto, or Ladera Ranch, but feel more strongly about that sentiment nowadays.

I went to high school in Newport Beach in the 90s. The student body was more than 95% Caucasian. As an Asian-American, I definitely was made to feel like the "other". Combined with the normal bullshit of jr high / high school, it wasn't fun at all. I was jealous of my friends who went to places like Woodbridge and Uni that seemed more multiculturally accepting. When I took some classes at UC Irvine during my senior year of high school, it was like stepping into a different world, an absolute culture shock.

In retrospect, there were probably benefits as well. It was genuinely a good school academically due to the resources available to these upper-tier (socioeconomically) kids while still not feeling "competitive." I live in Irvine now, but I don't share your opinion of not wanting to live in less diverse places like Newport. Unless your neighbors all have Trump 2020 flags on their yachts, but I'm not rich enough (and too cheap even if I was rich enough) to imagine such a fate.

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As an Asian, I'm not against this focus on Asian hate crimes but I think there is a fine line to toe.  People who dislike Asians will not stop disliking Asians because the media or the general public shames them or casts them in a certain light.  History is littered with examples of how targeting a group of people will actually cause that group to ultimately commit an atrocity.  What I would not want to see one day is a mass shooting against Asians caused by this narrative of white people committing Asian hate crimes.   If that were to happen, mainstream media would never take responsibility for what they caused and would be the first to say "I told you so".  So many in media seem to care less about journalism and more about activism and narratives these days.

One of my closest friend is a political reporter.

One big thing I've learned through him and my own experience of helping Andrew Yang run for office is to be more skeptical of activists & media. (The woke Asian activists hate Andrew Yang)

Not saying they don't serve a purpose, but we all fall into this trap of thinking a certain group can speak for thousands or even millions of people.


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Every race has their bad apples. When I was in my early 20s we were getting into an elevator in a parking structure with a couple of Asian guys who you could tell were drinking because their faces were red. It was probably 2am or so. One of the Asian guys looks at me and smiles and says hey Juan. Let’s just say he and his friend learned a tough lesson that night.

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What a strange viewpoint. Do you believe there's a vast media conspiracy or something? Unless you are just talking about the standard bullshit of hyperbole, clickbait, and tabloid journalism.

No shit a variety of groups are the target of hate crimes.

Hyperbole has always existed in mainstream media.  It has been made worse since the advent of people getting their news off social media.  That said, in my 30+ years of consuming news media, I have never seen media so partisan and divided.  In fact, I also happen to believe that media deserves a lot of credit for the fact that our nation is so divided.  And yes, mainstream media has always conspired to present the news a certain way.

30 years ago, it was difficult to get alternate viewpoints other than what mainstream media provided.  It didn't mean that legacy media didn't emphasize certain stories and omit others; but it was also a time when most journalists adhered to a certain standard of journalism.  Corrections to articles were rare and were made prominently.  There was media bias but not the tabloid journalism you see today. 

Unfortunately for mainstream media, it is easy today for one to get opposing viewpoints to that of mainstream media.  It is no longer as easy for mainstream media to control the conversation.  That is why you are increasingly seeing censorship of opposing viewpoints.  It is not that the opposing viewpoints are all wrong.  In fact, some of the opposing viewpoints clearly point out the narratives mainstream media promotes.

Today, so many media outlets seem to have content decisions made by a new breed of journalist that is more intent on activism, promoting a certain narrative, than reporting the news.  Last year, the New York Times made news when several old guard editors left (or were pushed out) due to disagreements on content between them and younger NYT staff.  It started with Sen. Cotton's op-ed published in the NYT.  The old guard believed in presenting opposing viewpoints while the new guard believes in censorship. 

I've seen statistics from different sources showing that over 80% of journalists are registered democrats.  In today's hyper partisan world, do you think that this affects the news you consume?


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If you are pro capitalism, can you really blame Fox / MSNBC for figuring out the secret to profitability?

It's a business. They generate more profit by providing contents that catering to a smaller but more devout audience.

News were different 30 years ago not because human nature was different back then.

We just didn't have the tools we have today. Like big data feeding AI driven prediction models etc

Even with the rapid growth of alternative media, this trend is not reversing.

People in general don't care about caveats and nuances.

Haven't we all accepted (maybe unwilling) that proper policy discussion can be had over Twitter post Trump ?

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What a strange viewpoint. Do you believe there's a vast media conspiracy or something? Unless you are just talking about the standard bullshit of hyperbole, clickbait, and tabloid journalism.

No shit a variety of groups are the target of hate crimes.

Hyperbole has always existed in mainstream media.  It has been made worse since the advent of people getting their news off social media.  That said, in my 30+ years of consuming news media, I have never seen media so partisan and divided.  In fact, I also happen to believe that media deserves a lot of credit for the fact that our nation is so divided.  And yes, mainstream media has always conspired to present the news a certain way.

30 years ago, it was difficult to get alternate viewpoints other than what mainstream media provided.  It didn't mean that legacy media didn't emphasize certain stories and omit others; but it was also a time when most journalists adhered to a certain standard of journalism.  Corrections to articles were rare and were made prominently.  There was media bias but not the tabloid journalism you see today. 

Unfortunately for mainstream media, it is easy today for one to get opposing viewpoints to that of mainstream media.  It is no longer as easy for mainstream media to control the conversation.  That is why you are increasingly seeing censorship of opposing viewpoints.  It is not that the opposing viewpoints are all wrong.  In fact, some of the opposing viewpoints clearly point out the narratives mainstream media promotes.

Today, so many media outlets seem to have content decisions made by a new breed of journalist that is more intent on activism, promoting a certain narrative, than reporting the news.  Last year, the New York Times made news when several old guard editors left (or were pushed out) due to disagreements on content between them and younger NYT staff.  It started with Sen. Cotton's op-ed published in the NYT.  The old guard believed in presenting opposing viewpoints while the new guard believes in censorship. 

I've seen statistics from different sources showing that over 80% of journalists are registered democrats.  In today's hyper partisan world, do you think that this affects the news you consume?

But you can always watch the alternative opposite news channels. Btw - they just got sued for $1 billion something for spreading false news about a company during the election and after.

 

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