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Re: Odors from asphalt plant in Irvine spark frustration, fear, anger
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2021, 03:31:01 PM »
I'm 100% in support of your right to live away from freeways and asphalt plants.  But wouldn't it be ridiculous if you moved next to a freeway and then started complaining that the freeway is there?  Or demanding compensation from the seller for not telling you the freeway was there?  Or running around placing signs around your neighborhood about how there's a freeway sending harmful toxic chemicals nearby?  Or making complaints to your city council to shut the freeway down?

AAS has been there well before anyone closed escrow in nearby communities.

I live within a mile of AAS.  The wind blows their smoke east towards Santiago canyon 99% of the time.  Every now and then, maybe a few times per year in the morning, there's a gentle breeze blowing from the plant towards my house and the faint smell of asphalt is detectable if I'm outside.  Then after an hour or so the wind picks up or shifts and it's gone.  It's not a big deal. 

This "frustration, fear, anger" headline is trying to drum up emotions and outrage.  This isn't journalism.  Journalism should educate me with facts.  Tell me whether AAS changed something about their smoke release or treatment process since homeowners moved in.  Educate me about what the pollution laws are and whether AAS has violated any.  Educate me about what particulates are being released, what their concentrations are when it reaches home owners, how often it happens, and what levels are harmful to people.  Tell me some potential solutions to mitigate the problem.  Tell me about the pros/cons of those solutions.  Tell me about the benefits of having an asphalt plant there.  But headlines like these are garbage designed to get people upset and get views for the publisher.
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Re: Odors from asphalt plant in Irvine spark frustration, fear, anger
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2021, 03:33:04 PM »
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Re: Odors from asphalt plant in Irvine spark frustration, fear, anger
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2021, 03:36:02 PM »
Ever been in a parking garage?  You've breathed toxic chemicals.  Let's ban parking garages.  Ever burned food in your house?  Yep, toxic chemicals.  Let's ban cooking at home.  What about workers in facilities that work with plastics?  Yep, let's put them out of work and put the owners in jail. What about the workers in the asphalt plant?  And the workers that spread asphalt?  And the people within a 5 mile radius of asphalt spreading?  Ban it all.

It is all preference. I never complained about this topic. But you are going at it wrong. Let the people who are %u201Ceffected%u201D confront or address the problem.
This does not sound like a slip and fall incident and they are making it up.
I mean they spend big bucks to buy their house. Who knows it has an impact on their overall health? (Just saying and not accusing anybody. It is just a simple question.)

As I previously mentioned, I will never live by a freeway, unless I have no other option. I guess I have to add, I will never live by an asphalt company.

A reasonable response.

On the other hand, the ferocity of someguy's response make it sound like he has something to lose.  Property values would be my guess.

I'm definitely an idiot, but I'm not so misguided to think that my idiotic internet posts could influence property values.

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Re: Odors from asphalt plant in Irvine spark frustration, fear, anger
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2021, 08:56:00 PM »
I'm 100% in support of your right to live away from freeways and asphalt plants.  But wouldn't it be ridiculous if you moved next to a freeway and then started complaining that the freeway is there?  Or demanding compensation from the seller for not telling you the freeway was there?  Or running around placing signs around your neighborhood about how there's a freeway sending harmful toxic chemicals nearby?  Or making complaints to your city council to shut the freeway down?

AAS has been there well before anyone closed escrow in nearby communities.

I live within a mile of AAS.  The wind blows their smoke east towards Santiago canyon 99% of the time.  Every now and then, maybe a few times per year in the morning, there's a gentle breeze blowing from the plant towards my house and the faint smell of asphalt is detectable if I'm outside.  Then after an hour or so the wind picks up or shifts and it's gone.  It's not a big deal. 

This "frustration, fear, anger" headline is trying to drum up emotions and outrage.  This isn't journalism.  Journalism should educate me with facts.  Tell me whether AAS changed something about their smoke release or treatment process since homeowners moved in.  Educate me about what the pollution laws are and whether AAS has violated any.  Educate me about what particulates are being released, what their concentrations are when it reaches home owners, how often it happens, and what levels are harmful to people.  Tell me some potential solutions to mitigate the problem.  Tell me about the pros/cons of those solutions.  Tell me about the benefits of having an asphalt plant there.  But headlines like these are garbage designed to get people upset and get views for the publisher.

Well now you are making some sense.  Its one thing to minimize the dangers of these chemicals and another to ask these homebuyers to take some responsibility in purchasing there.  I agree with you, homeowners should take some responsibility for purchasing there.  The builders also should have known not to build there. 

I disagree with you, however, that it is not a big deal.  Just because you cant smell it or think the breeze blows the other way, it doesnt mean you are not exposed to it.  You cant sense radiation, most air pollution, and numerous other hazards but it doesnt mean you are not being affected by them.  Of course someone will say " well you cant avoid all health hazards".   Yes this is true, however this is not an all or nothing event.  Does your body need any additional toxic chemicals than what it is getting already?  How much more dangerous could a constant flow of asphalt fumes be relative to other exposures such as the occasional car fumes in the garage, etc. 

Like eyephone, I would never live near a freeway nor this asphalt plant.  If someone got sick, the regret would be unimaginable. 

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Re: Odors from asphalt plant in Irvine spark frustration, fear, anger
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2021, 08:59:05 PM »
Ever been in a parking garage?  You've breathed toxic chemicals.  Let's ban parking garages.  Ever burned food in your house?  Yep, toxic chemicals.  Let's ban cooking at home.  What about workers in facilities that work with plastics?  Yep, let's put them out of work and put the owners in jail. What about the workers in the asphalt plant?  And the workers that spread asphalt?  And the people within a 5 mile radius of asphalt spreading?  Ban it all.

It is all preference. I never complained about this topic. But you are going at it wrong. Let the people who are %u201Ceffected%u201D confront or address the problem.
This does not sound like a slip and fall incident and they are making it up.
I mean they spend big bucks to buy their house. Who knows it has an impact on their overall health? (Just saying and not accusing anybody. It is just a simple question.)

As I previously mentioned, I will never live by a freeway, unless I have no other option. I guess I have to add, I will never live by an asphalt company.

A reasonable response.

On the other hand, the ferocity of someguy's response make it sound like he has something to lose.  Property values would be my guess.

I'm definitely an idiot, but I'm not so misguided to think that my idiotic internet posts could influence property values.

Idiot, no.  I agree any internet posts would influence property values, however the thought of property values probably influences your words.

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Re: Odors from asphalt plant in Irvine spark frustration, fear, anger
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2021, 10:19:32 AM »
Ever been in a parking garage?  You've breathed toxic chemicals.  Let's ban parking garages.  Ever burned food in your house?  Yep, toxic chemicals.  Let's ban cooking at home.  What about workers in facilities that work with plastics?  Yep, let's put them out of work and put the owners in jail. What about the workers in the asphalt plant?  And the workers that spread asphalt?  And the people within a 5 mile radius of asphalt spreading?  Ban it all.

It is all preference. I never complained about this topic. But you are going at it wrong. Let the people who are %u201Ceffected%u201D confront or address the problem.
This does not sound like a slip and fall incident and they are making it up.
I mean they spend big bucks to buy their house. Who knows it has an impact on their overall health? (Just saying and not accusing anybody. It is just a simple question.)

As I previously mentioned, I will never live by a freeway, unless I have no other option. I guess I have to add, I will never live by an asphalt company.

A reasonable response.

On the other hand, the ferocity of someguy's response make it sound like he has something to lose.  Property values would be my guess.

I'm definitely an idiot, but I'm not so misguided to think that my idiotic internet posts could influence property values.

Idiot, no.  I agree any internet posts would influence property values, however the thought of property values probably influences your words.

You can read my mind?  This conversation has derailed.  Take care, good luck to you.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2021, 10:30:18 AM by someguy »

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Re: Odors from asphalt plant in Irvine spark frustration, fear, anger
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2021, 11:56:29 AM »
Asphalt should be made in Riverside not Irvine. :)
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Re: Odors from asphalt plant in Irvine spark frustration, fear, anger
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2021, 12:10:42 PM »
Asphalt should be made in Riverside not Irvine. :)

Perhaps people should know better than to buy a home built next to an existing asphalt plant and not buy developer property unless the developer buys out the problematic business and does an environmental clean up.

Oh wait, that would make the homes not cheap.

Much easier to sign a bazillion pages of legalize while buying that warns up not to plant anything edible with roots going down more than a foot.

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Re: Odors from asphalt plant in Irvine spark frustration, fear, anger
« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2021, 01:57:54 PM »
is the asphalt plant mentioned in the home disclosures? I'm new to OC and I wouldn't be aware about that until you guys mentioned it or if its in the home disclosures.  I would hope the agent would be able to disclose that to the buyer before visiting the properties in that area...

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Re: Odors from asphalt plant in Irvine spark frustration, fear, anger
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2021, 04:54:18 PM »
I'd be surprised if it is not in the disclosures.  Found out through the disclosures my home is built on clay soil that may be subject to liquidfaction.  Found out that in the event of a 100 year flood my home may be impacted.  For the buyers who didn't bother to read the disclosures then it's on them. 

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Re: Odors from asphalt plant in Irvine spark frustration, fear, anger
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2021, 07:31:12 AM »
I'd be surprised if it is not in the disclosures.  Found out through the disclosures my home is built on clay soil that may be subject to liquidfaction.  Found out that in the event of a 100 year flood my home may be impacted.  For the buyers who didn't bother to read the disclosures then it's on them.

I think its a two way street.  Sure buyers should read all disclosures, but there should also be some responsibility on the builders to highlight potential issues as well.  With that said, I have been to Orchard Hills and specifically asked the builders agents about the asphalt plant.  Not one of them acknowledged there was an issue. 


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Re: Odors from asphalt plant in Irvine spark frustration, fear, anger
« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2021, 08:22:14 AM »
I'd be surprised if it is not in the disclosures.  Found out through the disclosures my home is built on clay soil that may be subject to liquidfaction.  Found out that in the event of a 100 year flood my home may be impacted.  For the buyers who didn't bother to read the disclosures then it's on them.

There was another thread on this, if iirc, it's on the disclosures on the newer new homes (last 5-10 years or something), but prior to that, it wasn't. 

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Re: Odors from asphalt plant in Irvine spark frustration, fear, anger
« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2021, 08:42:01 AM »
Best to ask a couple of home owners about the area before buying. This is the one "must do" before buying a resale. It's harder to accoomplish when it's 1st phase new, but in an ongoing build, it's smart to knock on a few doors before buying to get the real story about the area, not the one manufactured by the sales office or Agent.

As for property values being impacted, I don't recall Stonegate or Portola Springs prices suffering much when human remains were located on the property....

https://www.talkirvine.com/index.php/topic,1242.msg13891.html#msg13891

https://www.talkirvine.com/index.php?topic=13214.0

Unfortunately the link within the Stonegate thread is dead as well. Would have made a great read though.

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Re: Odors from asphalt plant in Irvine spark frustration, fear, anger
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2021, 10:10:09 AM »
Best to ask a couple of home owners about the area before buying. This is the one "must do" before buying a resale.

I'm always amazed at the number of buyers who fail to do this.

One of the biggest advantages of buying resale over new construction is that you get to pick your neighbors.

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Re: Odors from asphalt plant in Irvine spark frustration, fear, anger
« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2021, 10:49:31 AM »
It’s why you really need to focus your buy in a couple neighborhoods that you become familiar.

You will know what homes actually sell for there.

You will know how much competition is for the homes.

You will know what’s good and what’s not.

Most importantly, you’ll know which homes will have another just like on the market within the month and which ones you won’t see again for ten years.


 

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