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Re: Dispelling Leftist/Atheist Nonsense
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Re: Dispelling Leftist/Atheist Nonsense
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2021, 04:25:02 PM »
You have to realize that when you purport the existence of a mythical entity, like a God, the burden of proof lies on you to prove its existence.

When you make an outlandish claim such as "a mythical entity," YOU have a burden of proof to substantiate YOUR "mythical" claim, particularly when Christianity is:
1.  The largest group of humans on earth, and atheists are trivial in number
2.  Our holidays in America celebrate Christmas and Easter and Thanksgiving.
You must be miserable during those holidays, having nothing to celebrate.
3.  Every dollar of currency you have ever spent reads IN GOD WE TRUST.
4. "Nature's God" is so described in our Declaration of Independence.


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Science will always be a robust method for explaining the phenomena on Earth and we continue to discover more everyday because of the wonders of science.

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People of faith live longer than atheists.
For the study, a team of Ohio University academics, including associate professor of psychology Christian End, analysed more than 1,500 obituaries from across the US to piece together how the defining features of our lives affect our longevity.
These records include religious affiliations and marriage details as well as information on activities, hobbies and habits, which can help or hinder our health, not otherwise captured in census data.

The study, published in Social Psychological and Personality Science today, found that on average people whose obituary mentioned they were religious lived an extra 5.64 years.
Atheists commit suicide far more often than those of faith, which is clearly not "rational"

"Atheism: Contemporary Rates and Patterns" in The Cambridge Companion to Atheism, ed. by Michael Martin, Cambridge University Press: Cambridge, UK (2005). In examining various indicators of societal health, Zuckerman concludes about suicide:
"Concerning suicide rates, this is the one indicator of societal health in which religious nations fare much better than secular nations. According to the 2003 World Health Organization's report on international male suicides rates (which compared 100 countries), of the top ten nations with the highest male suicide rates, all but one (Sri Lanka) are strongly irreligious nations with high levels of atheism. It is interesting to note, however, that of the top remaining nine nations leading the world in male suicide rates, all are former Soviet/Communist nations, such as Belarus, Ukraine, and Latvia. Of the bottom ten nations with the lowest male suicide rates, all are highly religious nations with statistically insignificant levels of organic atheism."[3]

The list of atheist shooters and serial killers does not correspond to claims of intellectual superiority and rationality.

Atheists have a long record of being mass shooters and militant atheism in general has a causal association with mass murder.
Due to this fact, peer reviewed research published in academic journals has found that society-at-large is likely to hold atheists responsible for capital criminal acts and that even atheists are likely to assume that serial killers are fellow atheists.[2][3][4]


“The universe and the Laws of Physics seem to have been specifically designed for us. If any one of about 40 physical qualities had more than slightly different values, life as we know it could not exist: Either atoms would not be stable, or they wouldn’t combine into molecules, or the stars wouldn’t form heavier elements, or the universe would collapse before life could develop, and so on…”  - Stephen Hawking, considered the best known scientist since Albert Einstein, Austin American-Statesmen, October 19, 1997

Allan Sandage, widely regarded as the father of modern astronomy, discoverer of quasars:  “I find it quite improbable that order came out of chaos.   There has to be some organizing principle.   God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something rather than nothing.”


Just because a bunch of people follow a scam does not make it legitimate. What an absurd logical fallacy.

I celebrate all holidays that have its roots in Christianity because they have been so far divorced from religion that I find them enjoyable. I put up a tree, give presents, have gone on easter egg hunts, etc. What I don't celebrate are the ties to mythical figures like Jesus.

Also, the absurd claim here involves the existence of a sky being that nobody has scientific, reproducible proof of. I can just as easily say that bigfoot, Cthulhu, UFOs (this might be likely), and the flying spaghetti monster exists. The burden of proof lies on individuals who make such baseless assumptions. Just because an ancient book of stories survived all these years does not give it any legitimacy.

 

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Re: Dispelling Leftist/Atheist Nonsense
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2021, 04:27:02 PM »
You have to realize that when you purport the existence of a mythical entity, like a God, the burden of proof lies on you to prove its existence.

It is not the job of the atheist to prove you wrong.

I can just as easily say "There exists a flying spaghetti monster" or "Bigfoot exists" and then cry "Prove me wrong!" when asked to provide evidence.




Science will always be a robust method for explaining the phenomena on Earth and we continue to discover more everyday because of the wonders of science. Religion has not given us anything besides toxic behavior and many deaths. As a person who has never commited a crime, I believe that religion is not a necessary requirement for morality.

I also believe religions are man-made systems. They exist everywhere, not just in Christ-believing regions. However I do believe in God and in His Son, Jesus Christ. I guess people call that person like me a "Christian."

While many self-claimed Christians have lived hypocritical lives to show how fake moral they can get, that does not distort God Himself and His given words, the Bible. You see, it's always those people giving God a bad name by misrepresenting Him. I believe many if not all of them are not real Christians. And I also do believe they know themselves that they're fake if they think deeply and seriously enough. God has given us to discern and that is called a "conscience."

You believe in science and I do too. But we are in the continuing process of finding new or different results from the science day to day. We don't know 100% accurate of anything even by the science itself since it keeps evolving. But first, can you answer who made the science? Is it just self-existing out of nowhere? The very fact you and I have living cells inside, the very fact we see the heavens and the earth operating in this manner where everything works in orderly ways and does not collide in this universe, the very fact we differ from other animals and creatures, the very fact we have numbers and days and nights in systems... these all speak that the science or every little thing you see (or not see) in this universe is made from a deity. I found that deity to be God by reading the Bible or God led me to find Himself to say it more accurate. You might call or believe that to be something else, but you can't deny there is some kind of force holding all these things together in this universe.

Anyways, just wanted to share my thoughts since you say the religions are something only giving us toxic behaviors and deaths. While I do think man-made religions are bad as well, God is not. Many people misunderstand God as a result of lack of understanding the Scripture or by being taught in wrongs ways by many fake religious leaders.


The answer is that we simply do not know how we got here and to attribute it to a mythical omniscient being is preposterous and shows a lack of analytical and scientific thinking.

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Re: Dispelling Leftist/Atheist Nonsense
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2021, 01:26:44 PM »
You have to realize that when you purport the existence of a mythical entity, like a God, the burden of proof lies on you to prove its existence.

It is not the job of the atheist to prove you wrong.

I can just as easily say "There exists a flying spaghetti monster" or "Bigfoot exists" and then cry "Prove me wrong!" when asked to provide evidence.




Science will always be a robust method for explaining the phenomena on Earth and we continue to discover more everyday because of the wonders of science. Religion has not given us anything besides toxic behavior and many deaths. As a person who has never commited a crime, I believe that religion is not a necessary requirement for morality.

I also believe religions are man-made systems. They exist everywhere, not just in Christ-believing regions. However I do believe in God and in His Son, Jesus Christ. I guess people call that person like me a "Christian."

While many self-claimed Christians have lived hypocritical lives to show how fake moral they can get, that does not distort God Himself and His given words, the Bible. You see, it's always those people giving God a bad name by misrepresenting Him. I believe many if not all of them are not real Christians. And I also do believe they know themselves that they're fake if they think deeply and seriously enough. God has given us to discern and that is called a "conscience."

You believe in science and I do too. But we are in the continuing process of finding new or different results from the science day to day. We don't know 100% accurate of anything even by the science itself since it keeps evolving. But first, can you answer who made the science? Is it just self-existing out of nowhere? The very fact you and I have living cells inside, the very fact we see the heavens and the earth operating in this manner where everything works in orderly ways and does not collide in this universe, the very fact we differ from other animals and creatures, the very fact we have numbers and days and nights in systems... these all speak that the science or every little thing you see (or not see) in this universe is made from a deity. I found that deity to be God by reading the Bible or God led me to find Himself to say it more accurate. You might call or believe that to be something else, but you can't deny there is some kind of force holding all these things together in this universe.

Anyways, just wanted to share my thoughts since you say the religions are something only giving us toxic behaviors and deaths. While I do think man-made religions are bad as well, God is not. Many people misunderstand God as a result of lack of understanding the Scripture or by being taught in wrongs ways by many fake religious leaders.


The answer is that we simply do not know how we got here and to attribute it to a mythical omniscient being is preposterous and shows a lack of analytical and scientific thinking.

I believe it's actually the other way. The omniscient already provided enough information and the science is busy trying to reverse engineer everything to find the origin of it. Thus your answer of not knowing is correct strictly scientifically speaking.

I personally started with the initially documented scriptures and histories of many nation's witnessed confessions so my answer does not solely rely on what certain scientists have discovered alone.

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Re: Dispelling Leftist/Atheist Nonsense
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2021, 05:57:56 PM »
You have to realize that when you purport the existence of a mythical entity, like a God, the burden of proof lies on you to prove its existence.

It is not the job of the atheist to prove you wrong.

I can just as easily say "There exists a flying spaghetti monster" or "Bigfoot exists" and then cry "Prove me wrong!" when asked to provide evidence.




Science will always be a robust method for explaining the phenomena on Earth and we continue to discover more everyday because of the wonders of science. Religion has not given us anything besides toxic behavior and many deaths. As a person who has never commited a crime, I believe that religion is not a necessary requirement for morality.

I also believe religions are man-made systems. They exist everywhere, not just in Christ-believing regions. However I do believe in God and in His Son, Jesus Christ. I guess people call that person like me a "Christian."

While many self-claimed Christians have lived hypocritical lives to show how fake moral they can get, that does not distort God Himself and His given words, the Bible. You see, it's always those people giving God a bad name by misrepresenting Him. I believe many if not all of them are not real Christians. And I also do believe they know themselves that they're fake if they think deeply and seriously enough. God has given us to discern and that is called a "conscience."

You believe in science and I do too. But we are in the continuing process of finding new or different results from the science day to day. We don't know 100% accurate of anything even by the science itself since it keeps evolving. But first, can you answer who made the science? Is it just self-existing out of nowhere? The very fact you and I have living cells inside, the very fact we see the heavens and the earth operating in this manner where everything works in orderly ways and does not collide in this universe, the very fact we differ from other animals and creatures, the very fact we have numbers and days and nights in systems... these all speak that the science or every little thing you see (or not see) in this universe is made from a deity. I found that deity to be God by reading the Bible or God led me to find Himself to say it more accurate. You might call or believe that to be something else, but you can't deny there is some kind of force holding all these things together in this universe.

Anyways, just wanted to share my thoughts since you say the religions are something only giving us toxic behaviors and deaths. While I do think man-made religions are bad as well, God is not. Many people misunderstand God as a result of lack of understanding the Scripture or by being taught in wrongs ways by many fake religious leaders.


The answer is that we simply do not know how we got here and to attribute it to a mythical omniscient being is preposterous and shows a lack of analytical and scientific thinking.

I believe it's actually the other way. The omniscient already provided enough information and the science is busy trying to reverse engineer everything to find the origin of it. Thus your answer of not knowing is correct strictly scientifically speaking.

I personally started with the initially documented scriptures and histories of many nation's witnessed confessions so my answer does not solely rely on what certain scientists have discovered alone.

All of your documented scriptures and histories are written by sinful, deceitful, conniving humans. If they provided a method to reproduce their findings or irrefutable evidence then it would have value. Otherwise, it's meaningless and holds no basis in fact.

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Re: Dispelling Leftist/Atheist Nonsense
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2021, 08:31:22 AM »
You have to realize that when you purport the existence of a mythical entity, like a God, the burden of proof lies on you to prove its existence.

It is not the job of the atheist to prove you wrong.

I can just as easily say "There exists a flying spaghetti monster" or "Bigfoot exists" and then cry "Prove me wrong!" when asked to provide evidence.




Science will always be a robust method for explaining the phenomena on Earth and we continue to discover more everyday because of the wonders of science. Religion has not given us anything besides toxic behavior and many deaths. As a person who has never commited a crime, I believe that religion is not a necessary requirement for morality.

I also believe religions are man-made systems. They exist everywhere, not just in Christ-believing regions. However I do believe in God and in His Son, Jesus Christ. I guess people call that person like me a "Christian."

While many self-claimed Christians have lived hypocritical lives to show how fake moral they can get, that does not distort God Himself and His given words, the Bible. You see, it's always those people giving God a bad name by misrepresenting Him. I believe many if not all of them are not real Christians. And I also do believe they know themselves that they're fake if they think deeply and seriously enough. God has given us to discern and that is called a "conscience."

You believe in science and I do too. But we are in the continuing process of finding new or different results from the science day to day. We don't know 100% accurate of anything even by the science itself since it keeps evolving. But first, can you answer who made the science? Is it just self-existing out of nowhere? The very fact you and I have living cells inside, the very fact we see the heavens and the earth operating in this manner where everything works in orderly ways and does not collide in this universe, the very fact we differ from other animals and creatures, the very fact we have numbers and days and nights in systems... these all speak that the science or every little thing you see (or not see) in this universe is made from a deity. I found that deity to be God by reading the Bible or God led me to find Himself to say it more accurate. You might call or believe that to be something else, but you can't deny there is some kind of force holding all these things together in this universe.

Anyways, just wanted to share my thoughts since you say the religions are something only giving us toxic behaviors and deaths. While I do think man-made religions are bad as well, God is not. Many people misunderstand God as a result of lack of understanding the Scripture or by being taught in wrongs ways by many fake religious leaders.


The answer is that we simply do not know how we got here and to attribute it to a mythical omniscient being is preposterous and shows a lack of analytical and scientific thinking.

I believe it's actually the other way. The omniscient already provided enough information and the science is busy trying to reverse engineer everything to find the origin of it. Thus your answer of not knowing is correct strictly scientifically speaking.

I personally started with the initially documented scriptures and histories of many nation's witnessed confessions so my answer does not solely rely on what certain scientists have discovered alone.

All of your documented scriptures and histories are written by sinful, deceitful, conniving humans. If they provided a method to reproduce their findings or irrefutable evidence then it would have value. Otherwise, it's meaningless and holds no basis in fact.

Exactly. You got it right to the point. Humans are sinful, deceitful, conniving and more. Myself and you are all included.

If the Bible was written in a way where they made it seem like the nation Israel or God's people were any superior or not as sinful as others, then that would be something fabricated in their favor. However, it was written in a way where every little sinful act was written. Their own sins. For example, Moses wrote of his own act of murder of an Egyptian himself. The Bible shows full of sinful acts of humans which God so opposed and warned not to yet they did anyways. It shows full of their shortcomings. It shows literally as is. Their dark history. How could they write all those for themselves and for what? That is why God is the real author of these books in the Bible. Yes, humans wrote it, but it was God who used them as instruments to speak of His love - His forgiveness even to the point where He forgives people who killed His own Son. There are biblical verses to back this argument as well if you're interested.

But it wouldn't be fair for people who don't believe in the Bible if I were to just end here, right? Well, you asked are there any evidences other than the Bible itself? The Bible is not the only source of Israel's history. There were surrounding nations and there still are. Egypt, Babylon, Persia, Roman Empire, Greece, and etc. are all parts of the history where their sources also speak of the same events that are written in the Bible. There are evidences - the documented history. It's up to you to believe. It's literally anything in life. You believe certain scientific documented studies done historically. But at the same time you can choose not to believe. Free will.

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Re: Dispelling Leftist/Atheist Nonsense
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2021, 12:07:18 PM »
Statistics are irrefutable evidence accepted in courts around the world.

The statistics of the Anthropic Principle are such irrefutable evidence, only far more powerful than the DNA evidence which convicts criminals every day around the world.

Godless Leftists can and do refute whatever they wish, not out of respect for statistics and science, not out of respect for common sense and good judgment, but purely out of hostility, ignorance, and arrogance.

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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2018, 01:29:58 pm »
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Re: Dispelling Leftist/Atheist Nonsense
« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2021, 07:26:24 PM »
Starman,

People who accuse others of having a radical leftist agenda mostly belong to a religion founded by a man with a radical leftist agenda.

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Re: Dispelling Leftist/Atheist Nonsense
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2021, 01:05:56 AM »
Starman,

People who accuse others of having a radical leftist agenda mostly belong to a religion founded by a man with a radical leftist agenda.

"Leftist agenda" : "Who does not work should not eat."

"Leftist agenda" : "Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism.  Our program necessarily includes the propagation of atheism." - Vladimir Lenin, hero to today's Leftist *intellectuals*

"Leftist agenda":  "Let him who hath no sword sell his garment and buy one."

Read Who Really Cares by Arthur C. Brooks.  He demonstrated how little you Leftists really care and really give to "the poor" and everyone even in your own families. You give less to charities, less of your time, less of everything.  It's all about you and your supreme wonderfulness, boasting endlessly.


“I believe in God more because of science than in spite of it.” – William Phillips, Nobel Laureate in Physics

“Science is not only compatible with spirituality, it is a profound source of spirituality.  The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both.”   ”  - Demon Haunted World, page 29, by Carl Sagan
"There are only two kinds of people, decent and indecent." - Elie Wiesel

« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2018, 01:29:58 pm »
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