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Re: 99% Survival rate
« Reply #150 on: November 26, 2020, 05:23:10 PM »
@IHO,

You’re still missing my point. The point is numbers are inaccurate.

Your point is inaccurate. I've already told you which numbers will be ambiguous. You pointed out a single number from the CDC but your reading of that number was also inaccurate.

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I also said even if it was accurate and all, 2% still doesn’t justify 98% of people being restricted. We’re circling the same thing over and over.

What percentage does? Every death is either a parent, sibling or child of someone. And again, how are the 98% being "restricted"? The reason you keep circling is because you can never support your statements so then you try to obfuscate and pivot somewhere else. Just like with voter fraud, have you found that evidence yet? What about how the lockdown is a persecution of churches? Or now your latest, that we are somehow being "controlled".

I should have stopped when I said I would.

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Anyways... Happy Thanksgiving! Hope you feel true thanksgiving of having Jesus as your Lord regardless of what circumstances or arguments we may have.

Same to you.... and you should consider the same so you don't keep thinking that this is all a conspiracy.
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Re: 99% Survival rate
« Reply #151 on: November 26, 2020, 08:18:22 PM »
@IHO,
If that’s all you can get out from what I’m saying then I guess that is all you’ll get.

Conspiracy or not, God is in control so I’m thankful. I’m just sharing what my thoughts are, but some of you just can’t handle them or think of them as illogical.

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Re: 99% Survival rate
« Reply #152 on: November 26, 2020, 09:36:23 PM »
@IHO,
If that’s all you can get out from what I’m saying then I guess that is all you’ll get.

Conspiracy or not, God is in control so I’m thankful. I’m just sharing what my thoughts are, but some of you just can’t handle them or think of them as illogical.

If God is in control, why are you thinking there is some conspiracy, persecution or skewing of numbers?

Your posts are so contradictory, confusing and unsupported that it's very difficult to have meaningful discourse with you.
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Re: 99% Survival rate
« Reply #153 on: November 27, 2020, 09:11:42 AM »
@IHO,
If that’s all you can get out from what I’m saying then I guess that is all you’ll get.

Conspiracy or not, God is in control so I’m thankful. I’m just sharing what my thoughts are, but some of you just can’t handle them or think of them as illogical.

If God is in control, why are you thinking there is some conspiracy, persecution or skewing of numbers?

Your posts are so contradictory, confusing and unsupported that it's very difficult to have meaningful discourse with you.

This world is of Satan as Irvinecommuter mentioned. Whether they acknowledge or not, this world operates under Satan's dominion as God is allowing that for a set time. That's the basic principal of Christianity which should have been taught in churches anyways. Therefore, persecutions, conspiracy against good, and lies are all common practices in this world. The US had a blessing of having those probably a little less than some others overall, but it's just a matter of time for Satanic dominion to take over as it's been happening already subtly and surely. So times like this is certainly good testing times for faithful people. Instead of just believing whatever we are told whether by the government or the certified officials, I think it's wise to think twice about accepting those. Of course we can still practice "safety protocols" at the same time and obey the authorities instead of totally ignoring them.

Even with Satanic dominion taking over, God still is over all these and He is in His divine providence as that should have been taught in churches as well. That's why even in the midst of difficult times, we the believers can have confidence of His good guidance for us. To live or to die, our lives are for Christ. Even the death is not the end for the believers so there is nothing to worry about but stay thankful.

However, we're not to ignore what's going on around the world. We should know and test what's given to us. Things like datas you're talking about, media news, rumors, and even the religious authorities are some of those. So we need to be careful of accepting what's known as "facts" and still be mindful of others by practicing safety protocols. But most importantly sharing the real fact, the real truth, gospel is our responsibility especially in times like this. 

Hope all these don't make you even more confused. ;D

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Re: 99% Survival rate
« Reply #154 on: November 27, 2020, 05:56:10 PM »


12 If a ruler listens to lies,
    all his officials become wicked.

16 When the wicked thrive, so does sin,
    but the righteous will see their downfall.

27 The righteous detest the dishonest;
    the wicked detest the upright.

Proverbs 29

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Re: 99% Survival rate
« Reply #155 on: November 27, 2020, 06:09:16 PM »
TLDR; Listen to the experts instead of being a rebel against the truth

Romans 13:1, NLT Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God.

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Re: 99% Survival rate
« Reply #156 on: November 27, 2020, 06:57:48 PM »
@icey,

That’s exactly what I’m saying though. I clearly stated we should obey the authority instead of ignoring them. That’s why we should practice safety guidelines even if we might not completely agree. To agree or believe what the “experts” are putting out in public is a total different subject.

As I’ve been saying, I follow all safety guidelines, but I don’t just accept those datas as facts... yet. And as some others brought up, there are all different kinds of datas these days. Are we just to believe the most popular one? Also if you are all about submitting to the governing authorities, have you been submitted to Trump’s administration?

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Re: 99% Survival rate
« Reply #157 on: November 27, 2020, 09:46:04 PM »
There’s a few different forces at work here. The Proverbs passages I posted made me think mostly about Trump and ironically even has a passage in it about frivolous court cases. I didn’t post the whole thing. The Constitution says I have to accept his rule whether I like it or not, so that’s what I do. My loyalty is to the Constitution, not him.

On the other hand, you have apolitical career civil servants who are subject matter experts in their field, and we should listen to their guidance. Dr. Fauci being the most famous and a shame the crisis had to turn political when it should have been dealt with at a different level.

As Americans it’s our job to question our government, but once you dig into the political attacks, it’s easy to see where the disinformation is coming from.  It’s despicable Fauci had had to deal with death threats.

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« Reply #158 on: November 27, 2020, 10:11:39 PM »
There’s a few different forces at work here. The Proverbs passages I posted made me think mostly about Trump and ironically even has a passage in it about frivolous court cases. I didn’t post the whole thing. The Constitution says I have to accept his rule whether I like it or not, so that’s what I do. My loyalty is to the Constitution, not him.

On the other hand, you have apolitical career civil servants who are subject matter experts in their field, and we should listen to their guidance. Dr. Fauci being the most famous and a shame the crisis had to turn political when it should have been dealt with at a different level.

As Americans it’s our job to question our government, but once you dig into the political attacks, it’s easy to see where the disinformation is coming from.  It’s despicable Fauci had had to deal with death threats.

I knew your Proverbs verses were referring to Trump. Ironically, you also quoted Romans verse saying Christians are to submit to the governing authorities. Paul was writing that in the midst of Roman authorities and Jewish leaders were persecuting Christians, saying even those people are there positioned by God's divine providence. Obama, Trump, Biden, whoever becomes the President, they're there by God's providence and Christians' job is to submit, not to rebel. Of course, while we still submit, we do not obey laws and orders that are contrary to God's. If you're saying you're loyal to the governing authority whoever is the President, then you're doing the right thing as a Christian.

However, my questions are not about politics. My questions are originally about accepting datas and public information from people like Dr. Fauci and experts. Sure those people are the most famous indeed. But to me that doesn't give much credit of believing whatever they say. I actually think those people could be even more dangerous since most people are willing to accept whatever they say.

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Re: 99% Survival rate
« Reply #159 on: December 09, 2020, 05:18:31 PM »
There’s a few different forces at work here. The Proverbs passages I posted made me think mostly about Trump and ironically even has a passage in it about frivolous court cases. I didn’t post the whole thing. The Constitution says I have to accept his rule whether I like it or not, so that’s what I do. My loyalty is to the Constitution, not him.

On the other hand, you have apolitical career civil servants who are subject matter experts in their field, and we should listen to their guidance. Dr. Fauci being the most famous and a shame the crisis had to turn political when it should have been dealt with at a different level.

As Americans it’s our job to question our government, but once you dig into the political attacks, it’s easy to see where the disinformation is coming from.  It’s despicable Fauci had had to deal with death threats.

I knew your Proverbs verses were referring to Trump. Ironically, you also quoted Romans verse saying Christians are to submit to the governing authorities. Paul was writing that in the midst of Roman authorities and Jewish leaders were persecuting Christians, saying even those people are there positioned by God's divine providence. Obama, Trump, Biden, whoever becomes the President, they're there by God's providence and Christians' job is to submit, not to rebel. Of course, while we still submit, we do not obey laws and orders that are contrary to God's. If you're saying you're loyal to the governing authority whoever is the President, then you're doing the right thing as a Christian.

However, my questions are not about politics. My questions are originally about accepting datas and public information from people like Dr. Fauci and experts. Sure those people are the most famous indeed. But to me that doesn't give much credit of believing whatever they say. I actually think those people could be even more dangerous since most people are willing to accept whatever they say.

Then what does give someone credibility..if not someone who spent their entire life studying a subject? 

How does one make risk analysis about activities?  If your doctors tell you that you have cancer...do you go "these guys don't know what they are talking about?"

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Re: 99% Survival rate
« Reply #160 on: December 09, 2020, 05:19:53 PM »
@IHO,
If that’s all you can get out from what I’m saying then I guess that is all you’ll get.

Conspiracy or not, God is in control so I’m thankful. I’m just sharing what my thoughts are, but some of you just can’t handle them or think of them as illogical.

If God is in control, why are you thinking there is some conspiracy, persecution or skewing of numbers?

Your posts are so contradictory, confusing and unsupported that it's very difficult to have meaningful discourse with you.

This world is of Satan as Irvinecommuter mentioned. Whether they acknowledge or not, this world operates under Satan's dominion as God is allowing that for a set time. That's the basic principal of Christianity which should have been taught in churches anyways. Therefore, persecutions, conspiracy against good, and lies are all common practices in this world. The US had a blessing of having those probably a little less than some others overall, but it's just a matter of time for Satanic dominion to take over as it's been happening already subtly and surely. So times like this is certainly good testing times for faithful people. Instead of just believing whatever we are told whether by the government or the certified officials, I think it's wise to think twice about accepting those. Of course we can still practice "safety protocols" at the same time and obey the authorities instead of totally ignoring them.

Even with Satanic dominion taking over, God still is over all these and He is in His divine providence as that should have been taught in churches as well. That's why even in the midst of difficult times, we the believers can have confidence of His good guidance for us. To live or to die, our lives are for Christ. Even the death is not the end for the believers so there is nothing to worry about but stay thankful.

However, we're not to ignore what's going on around the world. We should know and test what's given to us. Things like datas you're talking about, media news, rumors, and even the religious authorities are some of those. So we need to be careful of accepting what's known as "facts" and still be mindful of others by practicing safety protocols. But most importantly sharing the real fact, the real truth, gospel is our responsibility especially in times like this. 

Hope all these don't make you even more confused. ;D

So basically you are saying that there are no absolutely facts and one should just make the determination what is real or what is not based upon one's own views on "reality"? 

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Re: 99% Survival rate
« Reply #161 on: December 09, 2020, 05:20:23 PM »
Alternative facts? ;)

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« Reply #162 on: December 09, 2020, 05:21:17 PM »
Alternative facts? ;)

There are no facts...it's apparently all subjective because I mean...who knows which facts are from Satan and which ones are from God.

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Re: 99% Survival rate
« Reply #163 on: December 16, 2020, 05:41:27 PM »

I would love to see the "science" that are being denied by the "left"

No you wouldn't.  You would only deny it and claim intellectual superiority. 

Distinguished pediatricians say schools and universities should be reopened immediately. 

Distinguished physician groups say masks are useless and separation is worthless.  They want businesses opened NOW, but all you care about is the politics and the posturing.   

Dying WITH Covid is very different than dying FROM Covid.  A large Danish study proves masks are worthless, but you don't care about science. And on and on.
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