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2020 California Propositions
« on: October 07, 2020, 02:54:23 PM »
I'm filling out my mail in ballot. Help me decide YEA for NAY for props #14-25:


Type   Title   Subject   Description
CISS   Proposition 14   Bonds   Issues $5.5 billion in bonds for state stem cell research institute
CICA   Proposition 15   Taxes   Requires commercial and industrial properties to be taxed based on market value and dedicates revenue
LRCA   Proposition 16   Affirmative Action   Repeals Proposition 209 (1996), which says that the state cannot discriminate or grant preferential treatment based on race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in public employment, education, or contracting
LRCA   Proposition 17   Suffrage   Restores the right to vote to people convicted of felonies who are on parole
LRCA   Proposition 18   Suffrage   Allows 17-year-olds who will be 18 at the time of the next general election to vote in primaries and special elections
LRCA   Proposition 19   Taxes   Changes tax assessment transfers and inheritance rules
CISS   Proposition 20   Law Enforcement   Makes changes to policies related to criminal sentencing charges, prison release, and DNA collection
CISS   Proposition 21   Housing   Expands local governments' power to use rent control
CISS   Proposition 22   Business   Considers app-based drivers to be independent contractors and enacts several labor policies related to app-based companies
CISS   Proposition 23   Healthcare   Requires physician on-site at dialysis clinics and consent from the state for a clinic to close
CISS   Proposition 24   Business   Expands the provisions of the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) and creates the California Privacy Protection Agency to implement and enforce the CCPA
VR   Proposition 25   Trials   Replaces cash bail with risk assessments for suspects awaiting trial




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Re: 2020 California Propositions
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2020, 03:03:31 PM »
Edited based on how we actually voted by mail today

Prop 14- No. Should be a national expense
Prop 15- Yes. It's not perfect, but most of the BS about costs being passed on is BS. Imagine two stores are next door, a Home Depot and a Lowes. One pays property taxes based on 1980 rates and pays $10,000/yr, the other pays $1,000,000/yr. Right the store with the lower base is just pocketing the profits.
Prop 16-Yes. I used to be against this, but ironically it seems that certain minorities need preferential treatment to catch up in society.
Prop 17-Yes. More voters is always better
Prop 18-Yes
Prop 19-Yes. My spouse likes the idea of this prop and changed me to a Yes.
Prop 20-No. America Govt spends more money on prisons than education. Need to reduce prison population
Prop 21-Definite No. Rent Control will simply lower the supply of rental housing and favor the lucky few that live in a rent controlled unit.
Prop 22-Yes. My spouse says no one is being forced to drive for uber/lyft
Prop 23-No
Prop 24-Yes
Prop 25-Yes. Cash Bail is archaic
« Last Edit: October 09, 2020, 10:00:32 AM by paperboyNC »

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Re: 2020 California Propositions
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2020, 03:14:20 PM »
Proposition 14 - No
Proposition 15 - Yes
Proposition 16 - No
Proposition 17 - Yes
Proposition 18 - Yes, you should read the arguments against this by the way. They are comically weak.
Proposition 19 - Yes, will promote home sales and stimulate movement in real estate market.
Proposition 20 - Don't know
Proposition 21 - HARD NO. Rent control is not the solution to housing shortage, in fact it does the opposite. Need to find another solution not just put an ill-advised band aid on the situation.
Proposition 22 - Yes but don't know much about it
Proposition 23 - No, dialysis centers don't need this. This is just added cost to health care and also taking away valuable physician resources from more urgent needs.
Proposition 24 - Don't know
Proposition 25 - Leaning yes

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Re: 2020 California Propositions
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2020, 03:51:27 PM »
So far I'm leaning NO on all except Prop 22 and on the fence for Prop 15.

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Re: 2020 California Propositions
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2020, 03:59:50 PM »
just a reminder to look up ballotpedia for the pros and cons (fact-based and non-partisan) of the propositions and more https://ballotpedia.org/California_2020_ballot_propositions

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Re: 2020 California Propositions
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2020, 04:00:02 PM »
Hell no on everything but 20 and 22!!

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Re: 2020 California Propositions
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2020, 07:55:29 PM »
I'm not clear on 22.

I thought app drivers wanted to be employees, but ads say that they want to be contractors.
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Re: 2020 California Propositions
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2020, 08:00:23 PM »
Hell no on everything but 20 and 22!!

Fixed that for you. The legislature can do their job and companies can stuff themselves on propositions.

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Re: 2020 California Propositions
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2020, 08:08:35 PM »
Hell no on everything but 20 and 22!!

Fixed that for you. The legislature can do their job and companies can stuff themselves on propositions.

No, I like Uber and want them to stay. If they don’t get an exemption they will leave. As for 20...you gotta give some teeth back to  police and prosecutors, it’s a dial back of prop 47 mistakes...vote yes on both.

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Re: 2020 California Propositions
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2020, 10:59:44 PM »
I like Uber / Lyft and they will shut down if 22 doesn’t pass. They may eventually come back but would need to contract with a local 3rd party that owns cars/employs drivers. This would significantly raise the cost of rides.

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Re: 2020 California Propositions
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2020, 01:06:19 AM »
I'm wary of Prop 15 being a gateway to repealing Prop 13.  Lobbyists are calling for the rich greedy corporations to pay their fair share to benefit poor Joe Bluecollar, but businesses will just pass on any higher costs in the prices of their goods and services. 

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Re: 2020 California Propositions
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2020, 01:10:56 AM »
I'm convinced that some number of measures pass because too many voters are too stupid to understand what yes or no mean.

A NO ON THIS MEASURE MEANS YOU ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF NOT RAISING TAXES ON RESIDENTS WHO DON'T LIVE IN CITIES NOT CURRENTLY UNINCORPORATED.

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Re: 2020 California Propositions
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2020, 01:38:06 AM »
I'm convinced that some number of measures pass because too many voters are too stupid to understand what yes or no mean.

A NO ON THIS MEASURE MEANS YOU ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF NOT RAISING TAXES ON RESIDENTS WHO DON'T LIVE IN CITIES NOT CURRENTLY UNINCORPORATED.

That’s why the authors write them to pass. 

“Voting YES on this measure conversely affirms that you are against the passage of no additional taxes for services not rendered.”

Makes perfect sense, right? 

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Re: 2020 California Propositions
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2020, 08:28:04 AM »
Xavier Becerra is a partisan douche!!

Biased ballot measure language distorts our democracy
California Attorney General Xavier Becerra once again shows why neutral party should write titles and summaries

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/07/24/editorial-biased-ballot-measure-language-distorts-our-democracy/

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Re: 2020 California Propositions
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2020, 12:40:18 PM »
I'm convinced that some number of measures pass because too many voters are too stupid to understand what yes or no mean.

A NO ON THIS MEASURE MEANS YOU ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF NOT RAISING TAXES ON RESIDENTS WHO DON'T LIVE IN CITIES NOT CURRENTLY UNINCORPORATED.

haha..

That makes two of us.

I had to read some of the language 2-3 times to make sense of what exactly are they asking.

They need to do away with all these elite lingo and dumb it down like out Prez...

YES I want to give voting rights to felons
NO I do not want to...

YES I want to remove Equal Opportunity
NO I do not want to...

And so on...

 

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