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Re: How does everyone think of Greatpark?
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2020, 11:51:57 AM »

It has also made some curious decisions.  For example, no schools within Pavilion Park, which reduces the mello roos but then hurts the resale because any one living there would have to send their kids to school in Beacon Park.   Also, putting Altair across the street from the HS and relatively close to the prison is just an odd choice.  Altair should be where PP is. 

The amenities are quite nice but mello roos and HOA fees are also quite high.
Not sure what you mean about the school, pavilion park sucks because of no schools nearby.  Altair sucks because it’s next to a school?

I agree about the MR being high as a big deterrent.

High schools are very different from elementary schools.  Almost of the Irvine Company communities have a neighborhood elementary school that provides easy access to parents and for kids (and their guardians) to bike/walk home.  High school students are generally dropped off by parents or drive themselves...that means a lot of traffic in the morning and after school. 

Elementary schools are also largely quiet while high schools have events and sports events throughout the week/year.

Altair also caters to a very different crowd than PP.  PP was sold as to multi-generational families while Altair is gated and priced to an exclusive group of buyers ($2-3 million homes).  Altair is likely to have fewer families with kids who would go to public schools while PP was specifically marketed to those with kids.  If I lived in PP, I would not have my kids walk a mile to and from school every day...thus I would have to drive them across to BP in the morning, wait in the drop off line, and then navigate my way to the freeway either via Irvine Blvd or Bryan.  You may not think it to be an issue, but as a parent who rushed to get my kids to school in the morning, I can tell you that it is.

Altair on the other hand will be faced with a ton of traffic in the morning (and various other times) trying to go to and out of Portola HS.  Since the only way to get out of Altair is Irvine Blvd...it would be a giant headache.  Not something I want to deal with after paying $2-3 million for my house.

CVE is far worse than PP to Beacon for elementary/MS, and high school if you wanted to compare another neighborhood in the same area.  You're going across Sand Canyon with no bridge.  Jeffrey Trail is near the 5 and Jeffrey, that's a long walk/bike on major streets if you lived at the corner of Trabuco/Ridge Valley.

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Re: How does everyone think of Greatpark?
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2020, 11:56:08 AM »
Not sure why people say no freeway access, the Irvine blvd 133 entrance is right there, if someone can afford the MR, they can afford the toll road. 

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Re: How does everyone think of Greatpark?
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2020, 11:56:38 AM »

hmm, my counter to that (playing devils advocate) is that laguna altura and hidden canyon both don't have elementary within their neighborhood and have to cross a freeway to get to one...
orchard hills have northwood high (i know the gated side is zoned to beckman, but the physical northwood high school is right there), and the only way out is portola...

i don't live in GP, but i don't see it being all that bad

Hidden Canyon/LA is much more like Altair:  Gated exclusive community with large lots and lower density.  It makes sense that they do not have a community school.

Again, PP was sold as a family community for multigenerational families.  That is why I said Altair makes more sense where PP is.  PP is also the only place in Great Park that is not affected by the bad soil issue because it was where the residential dorms were on the base and thus no dumping issues.

Orchard Hill is not connected to Northwood High at all and it has multiple exits.  Yes, they all feed into Portola but it is not directly across the street.  Also, if you actually live near either Culver/Portola, it is incredibly crowded and annoying in the morning (including those 60 second crosswalks and no right turn on red).

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Re: How does everyone think of Greatpark?
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2020, 12:01:58 PM »
I think the GP neighborhoods have gotten progressively worse. PP is great + lowest MR in GP. BP is great + elem. It goes downhill from there... too many condo, 3 story homes, flat roofs, funky architecture.  One of those neighborhoods shoulda been retail.

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Re: How does everyone think of Greatpark?
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2020, 12:02:28 PM »

CVE is far worse than PP to Beacon for elementary/MS, and high school if you wanted to compare another neighborhood in the same area.  You're going across Sand Canyon with no bridge.  Jeffrey Trail is near the 5 and Jeffrey, that's a long walk/bike on major streets if you lived at the corner of Trabuco/Ridge Valley.

1)  That is why CVE is very undesirable and mostly apartments are this point.  CVE is also closer to the freeway than PP or BP. 

2)  One of the biggest issues with CV is that a major street runs through the community.  Go near Roosevelt and Jeffrey during school time and you will see the backup is pretty crazy.

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Re: How does everyone think of Greatpark?
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2020, 12:03:29 PM »
I do agree with those that state that the drought resistant landscaping is horrible. 

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Re: How does everyone think of Greatpark?
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2020, 12:05:36 PM »
Not sure why people say no freeway access, the Irvine blvd 133 entrance is right there, if someone can afford the MR, they can afford the toll road.

Yes..one can afford it but $4 a day adds up.  Obviously there are still a lot of people who live in PP and BP so none of these points are prohibitive but look at the backup at the left turn on Irvine and onto Sand Canyon coming from BP/PP and you can see the issue. 

Also, Great Park has added a ton of lights on Irvine, which makes the trip to and from Sand Canyon that much longer, even on weekends.  Alternative is to either go south toward Alton or through Ridge Valley...neither are great choices. 

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Re: How does everyone think of Greatpark?
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2020, 12:06:15 PM »
Not sure by what you mean by undesirable, CVE has incredibly low MR compared to GP and other Irvine communities.  I don't know of apartments in there, but mostly attached/detached condos on the ice rink side of the 133.  I believe USC sold some condos at or over list there a few months ago.


CVE is far worse than PP to Beacon for elementary/MS, and high school if you wanted to compare another neighborhood in the same area.  You're going across Sand Canyon with no bridge.  Jeffrey Trail is near the 5 and Jeffrey, that's a long walk/bike on major streets if you lived at the corner of Trabuco/Ridge Valley.

1)  That is why CVE is very undesirable and mostly apartments are this point.  CVE is also closer to the freeway than PP or BP. 

2)  One of the biggest issues with CV is that a major street runs through the community.  Go near Roosevelt and Jeffrey during school time and you will see the backup is pretty crazy.

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Re: How does everyone think of Greatpark?
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2020, 12:08:09 PM »
Not sure why people say no freeway access, the Irvine blvd 133 entrance is right there, if someone can afford the MR, they can afford the toll road.
Yes..one can afford it but $4 a day adds up. 

If they skip Starbucks most days they are good to go.   ;D

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Re: How does everyone think of Greatpark?
« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2020, 12:08:16 PM »
Not sure by what you mean by undesirable, CVE has incredibly low MR compared to GP and other Irvine communities.  I don't know of apartments in there, but mostly attached/detached condos on the ice rink side of the 133.  I believe USC sold some condos at or over list there a few months ago.


Price is the issue.  Compare the $/square foot of CVE versus CV or PP/BP and you see the difference.  99% of real estate can be sold...it's a matter of price.

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Re: How does everyone think of Greatpark?
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2020, 12:10:29 PM »
CVE is definitely undesirable from a school perspective.  But being very undesirable?  Maybe for your personal wants, but the initial pace of sales and resales (for at least the detached condos) say otherwise. 

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Re: How does everyone think of Greatpark?
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2020, 12:11:41 PM »
Also, Great Park has added a ton of lights on Irvine, which makes the trip to and from Sand Canyon that much longer, even on weekends.  Alternative is to either go south toward Alton or through Ridge Valley...neither are great choices.

I don't think this is GP specific issue, this is an Irvine issue, traffic sucks in ALL of Irvine compared to 10-15 years ago.  Even 5 years ago it wasn't as bad.

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Re: How does everyone think of Greatpark?
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2020, 12:36:30 PM »
CVE is definitely undesirable from a school perspective.  But being very undesirable?  Maybe for your personal wants, but the initial pace of sales and resales (for at least the detached condos) say otherwise.

Everything is relative but objective standards show that CVE is less desirable, i.e. pricing, as compared to CV, PP, BP, Woodbury, Stonegate, and Eastwood. 

Pace of sale is not the best gauge of desirability...price sold is. 




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Re: How does everyone think of Greatpark?
« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2020, 12:37:56 PM »
Also, Great Park has added a ton of lights on Irvine, which makes the trip to and from Sand Canyon that much longer, even on weekends.  Alternative is to either go south toward Alton or through Ridge Valley...neither are great choices.

I don't think this is GP specific issue, this is an Irvine issue, traffic sucks in ALL of Irvine compared to 10-15 years ago.  Even 5 years ago it wasn't as bad.

Agreed so every light and left turn matters.

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Re: How does everyone think of Greatpark?
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2020, 12:43:32 PM »
Also, Great Park has added a ton of lights on Irvine, which makes the trip to and from Sand Canyon that much longer, even on weekends.  Alternative is to either go south toward Alton or through Ridge Valley...neither are great choices.

I don't think this is GP specific issue, this is an Irvine issue, traffic sucks in ALL of Irvine compared to 10-15 years ago.  Even 5 years ago it wasn't as bad.

Agreed so every light and left turn matters.

So jump on the toll road, I'm sure those in OH have the same issue with Culver/Jeffrey/Portola so they jump on the toll road too...so its an Irvine issue, doesn't matter where you live in Irvine, you'll hit traffic and if you live too close to the freeway you'll have health problems if you want to avoid the lights.  So in a sense the toll road at Irvine blvd is a plus for GP compared to those who don't have that option. 

 

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