Author Topic: Portola Springs (PS) 4B not much farther from stuff than PS 3 and Great Park.  (Read 1889 times)

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Offline CogNeuroSci

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I used my stopwatch to make multiple timings from Modjeska (off of Irvine Blvd) to Celeste/Brisa and vice versa. If from Talise, simply add or subtract 18 seconds, depending on which direction you turn (toward Pearblossom vs toward Portola Springs). Of course, if you're someone who would rather live in Cypress Village, then my times won't make any difference to you.

On Mon 6/1 @5PM, Celeste to Irvine Blvd: 4:04 (Celeste to Portola Springs via Pearblossom and Portola Pkwy).

On Wed 6/3 @7PM, Celeste to Irvine Blvd: 1:38 (Celeste to Portola Springs via Pearblossom and Portola Pkwy), 3:35 (to Walking Stick), 3:54 (to Still Night), 4:08 (to Irvine Blvd). Comments: There was a long red light of 55 sec on the left turn at Portola Springs.

On Fri 6/5 @11PM, Irvine Blvd to Celeste over 2 runs: 17s, 15s (to Stillnight); 35s, 35s (to Walking Stick); 1:20, 1:25 (to Portola Pkwy); 3:03 (to Celeste via Portola Pkwy and Pearblossom) and 3:04 (to Celeste via Portola Springs). Comments: Even though going via Portola Pkwy is longer distance, you can drive faster.

On Fri 6/5 @11PM, Celeste to Irvine Blvd: 1:38 (Celeste to Portola Springs via Pearblossom and Portola Pkwy), 2:38 (to Walking Stick), 2:58 (to Still Night), 3:14 (to Irvine Blvd). Comments: Red light at the left turn on Portola Springs wasn't that long.

On Fri 6/5 @11PM, Celeste to Irvine Blvd: 1:25 (Celeste to Portola Springs to Portola Pkwy), 2:21 (to Walking Stick), 2:39 (to Still Night), 2:54 (to Irvine Blvd). Comments: I was able to avoid red light at intersection with Portola Pkwy.

So, is 3-4 min to get to Irvine Blvd a negative scenario for you? In grad school on the other side of the country, I was the only grad student I knew who didn't live right by the university. Instead, I chose a city around 20 min from the university. Each morning, I would take a long country blvd drive to the fwy (or should I say hwy), cruise 10 min on the hwy into town, and another 10 min on a winding blvd into the university. It was a relaxing drive through rustic scenery that every true southern Californian should love. Yet, the other grad students kept asking me, "Why do you live out there?"

My graduate student drive reminds me a little bit of the drive from PS4B down to Irvine Blvd. But this one's ONLY 3-4 min! And BTW, if your destination requires you to get to Sand Canyon or Jeffrey or Culver, it's so fast because you can go 60 mph on Portola Pkwy!


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If there was only some sort of technology which you could map a starting location to a destination address and get the time required to arrive...  :P

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I think a lot people have said it take about 30 minutes from portola springs to Woodbury so not sure where cogneuro is getting this information :-)

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I think a lot people have said it take about 30 minutes from portola springs to Woodbury so not sure where cogneuro is getting this information :-)

I can bike from my home in PS to the Woodbury town center in about 10 minutes.

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I can't rely on Google Maps estimated time. It can't take into account even of potential red lights. So I'm going to test empirically.

I read a bunch of threads in which people complained about how far Portola Springs was from everything.

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I can't rely on Google Maps estimated time. It can't take into account even of potential red lights. So I'm going to test empirically.

I read a bunch of threads in which people complained about how far Portola Springs was from everything.

I think Google Maps and Apple Maps are more accurate than you think.  They do account for red lights and even the traffic at the time you make the request, gathering speed/location data from other users using their apps that are travelling this direction.

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I can't rely on Google Maps estimated time. It can't take into account even of potential red lights. So I'm going to test empirically.

I read a bunch of threads in which people complained about how far Portola Springs was from everything.

I think Google Maps and Apple Maps are more accurate than you think.  They do account for red lights and even the traffic at the time you make the request, gathering speed/location data from other users using their apps that are travelling this direction.

Got it and I can adjust my thinking accordingly, no problem at all.

But I just did a Google Maps route at 5:37PM today (Sat) from Celeste to Irvine Blvd and it says 5 min. That's like getting stuck on a Sat at one 2-min red light or two 1-min red lights, which simply will not happen. For such a short distance, that's a pretty large difference from my actual measurements (20%-40% difference, and that's using the 5 min as the reference instead of using the 3 or 4 min). And even though I didn't write down my driving speed, I wasn't driving that fast during my measurements (52-55 mph up or down Portola Pkwy and 35-40 mph up or down Tomato Springs).

Aside from coronavirus times, I drive a lot on the fwys, and Google Maps is usually not accurate enough for me.

Regardless, whether it's 3 or 5 min, there's a cognitive phenomenon at work here, which is the real point of my thread. And that is that some people already have a dislike for Portola Springs (in general or PS4B specifically) such that the unconscious brain will come up with a host of negatives, some of which they have not consciously tested (which they could easily do and prove themselves wrong, such as "pollution from the toll fwy" and "too far away from a lot of stuff").

Finally, you're telling me that a lot of people have run a Google Maps time estimate BEFORE ruling Portola Springs or PS4B out? AND they have also run a control group comparison from the heart of the Great Park before selecting Great Park over Portola Springs (specifically over the issue of distance away from important places)?
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I think a lot people have said it take about 30 minutes from portola springs to Woodbury so not sure where cogneuro is getting this information :-)

I can bike from my home in PS to the Woodbury town center in about 10 minutes.

Exactly. PS ain't that far from anything. Unless you want to be in Cypress Village because for some reason getting to the fwy on-ramp in 1 min is the deciding factor in whether you get to work on time or not.

Two important cognitive factors are at play here. First, studies show that people who tend to be barely late will consistently be barely late whether they live 1 min away from the fwy or 10 min away. And people who tend to be on time will consistently be on time...

Second, those who choose a Cypress Village over a Portola Springs because of CV's proximity to the fwy should need to explain to their own rational brain CV's exposure to auto exhaust pollution from one of the most heavily traveled fwys in the country.

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I think a lot people have said it take about 30 minutes from portola springs to Woodbury so not sure where cogneuro is getting this information :-)

Lol. During morning rush hour, I’ve been able to go from Portola Springs to Costa Mesa IKEA if I use hov lane in 30 minutes.

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Due to this covid. I am so happy we are in PS.

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I think a lot people have said it take about 30 minutes from portola springs to Woodbury so not sure where cogneuro is getting this information :-)

I can bike from my home in PS to the Woodbury town center in about 10 minutes.

Exactly. PS ain't that far from anything. Unless you want to be in Cypress Village because for some reason getting to the fwy on-ramp in 1 min is the deciding factor in whether you get to work on time or not.

Two important cognitive factors are at play here. First, studies show that people who tend to be barely late will consistently be barely late whether they live 1 min away from the fwy or 10 min away. And people who tend to be on time will consistently be on time...

Second, those who choose a Cypress Village over a Portola Springs because of CV's proximity to the fwy should need to explain to their own rational brain CV's exposure to auto exhaust pollution from one of the most heavily traveled fwys in the country.

Instead of arguing the merits of Portola Springs over other neighborhoods, just be OK with what YOU value.  If you value Portola over Stonegate, Woodbury, CV or whatever...then great.  But just know, there's a reason why the PS neighborhoods have consistently been priced lower than the others.  OTHERS don't have a different way of valuing things. 
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I don't agree with your personal opinion (any GP is too far from the stuff I care about so we live in "old" Irvine) but I enjoyed seeing the analysis.

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Still not sure why they haven't built a shopping center "out there".

Just build a Target and a 7/11 or Arco AM/PM gas station and that's all you need. :)
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Shopping center at GP? Look luck with that. I'm still sure it's not getting built in another decade. Maybe 9 years since I already said this last year. :D

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So, is 3-4 min to get to Irvine Blvd a negative scenario for you?


Day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, those 3-4 minutes add up and get real old real quick.

 

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