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Re: Distance learning?
« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2020, 08:52:20 AM »
Germany is testing their students every four days.  Classes have been cut in half,  windows and doors are open for air circulation, etc.

I have a hard time imagining the uproar if we try to say the kids have to be tested to go back to school.

Australia is trying 1/4 class with each group doing 1 day a week.

I was asked by one of my sons program when we'd come back if they opened following protocols.  I'm not concerned about the protocols that my providers follow when they follow them, I'm concerned about the patrons that are chomping at the bit to go and what they're not doing.

As for the colleges, many schools have faculty and students reporting positive.  Not a lot of positives, just a handful.  One person in the class is all it takes.

Which brings us back to handling the people that won't follow minimal safety protocols.

That would be qwerty's kids. :)
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Re: Distance learning?
« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2020, 09:08:36 AM »
Germany is testing their students every four days.  Classes have been cut in half,  windows and doors are open for air circulation, etc.

I have a hard time imagining the uproar if we try to say the kids have to be tested to go back to school.

Australia is trying 1/4 class with each group doing 1 day a week.

I was asked by one of my sons program when we'd come back if they opened following protocols.  I'm not concerned about the protocols that my providers follow when they follow them, I'm concerned about the patrons that are chomping at the bit to go and what they're not doing.

As for the colleges, many schools have faculty and students reporting positive.  Not a lot of positives, just a handful.  One person in the class is all it takes.

Which brings us back to handling the people that won't follow minimal safety protocols.

That would be qwerty's kids. :)

Inland empire no mask required. (just saying)  ;)

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Re: Distance learning?
« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2020, 09:30:19 AM »
So if locking down was such a mistake why are educational institutions and local governments extending safety protocols?

Because they can, they have no skin in the game. They are playing with other people’s money.

There's actually a lot of skin in the game.  Decline in enrollment, loss of housing revenues, international students who pay full tuition not coming over, etc, etc all leads to $$$$ losses.

Well when I say they have no skin in the game I mean they are probably not going to get fired for doing “the right thing” following California guidelines, so their jobs are probably safe. And these folks making the decisions are administrators so they probably are not going to get fired as a result of the losses. The professors and office staff will get fired. And if the top admin get fired they probably still get whatever pension they have earned.

Also, there may be operating under the presumption that they will get bailed out for doing “the right thing” by the feds. California probably won’t have any funds to bail them out. They may try to raise tuition and hope suckers still sign up as the federal government guarantees student loans.

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Re: Distance learning?
« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2020, 09:34:38 AM »
Got it. Which leads me back to my K-12 question. No way we implement any of what NSR posted about what the other countries are doing. If I had to guess, I would say masks wouldn’t even be required.

But who knows, maybe all these unifieds surprise me.

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Re: Distance learning?
« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2020, 09:51:52 AM »
Our kids Montessori said they are reopening on 5/18 to families of  essential workers. You need a letter from your employer and badge to prove you are an essential worker.

The CDC we attend send us a quick update that they hope to open soon. They were already open for daycare to essential workers but our local Cdc site was closed and is still closed. The designated site for essential workers was somewhere else, not sure where.

The Montessori school already said as a school they can not follow social distancing guidelines. Which is a practical statement. They said they will have more cleaning etc.

At some point public schools will come to the same conclusion. Or maybe not because they don’t have skin in the game. The Montessori school is a business and knows that it is not realistic for them to follow social distancing guidelines.

They are even going to close at 5:30 vs 6pm so they can clean which will impact parents as they will have to leave earlier to get there by 530. 

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Re: Distance learning?
« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2020, 10:13:02 AM »
CDCs and Montessori’s are essentially daycares. Many of them have stayed open for essential workers and parents who just can’t deal. Way different than k-12 schools.

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Re: Distance learning?
« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2020, 10:21:54 AM »
CDCs and Montessori’s are essentially daycares. Many of them have stayed open for essential workers and parents who just can’t deal. Way different than k-12 schools.

Agree.

So how have those daycares been doing?? Have they resulted in a lot infections in kids or their households?  I’m guessing the answer is no because the media would have been all over it. So if they have not had an explosion in cases one can probably assume schools will fair OK. The issue is when dealing with the government/schools they are extreme and it seems like they are all or nothing. Meaning if one kid in public school gets sick they are going to want to shut it all down. There seems to be no flexibility with these people.

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Re: Distance learning?
« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2020, 10:29:32 AM »
What’s open now are very controlled environments within a shelter in place community. The Montessoris I know that are open has a limit of 10 kids in a space with no mixing of kids, shoes off, diligent cleaning, etc.  Maybe K-12 schools will be doing the same. I don’t know but I’m guessing they won’t be.  As a parent, I’m hoping schools open this fall but I’m just musing on here that I don’t know if they will be and even if they are, it’ll be a free for all.

Schools can’t shut down with one case. That’s a non starter. You can’t mobilize it all and then stop. The NBA already conceded this point. If the season resumes, the train keeps going unless it’s something really bad.

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Re: Distance learning?
« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2020, 10:34:12 AM »
CDCs and Montessori’s are essentially daycares. Many of them have stayed open for essential workers and parents who just can’t deal. Way different than k-12 schools.

As Germany shows, clearly they can socially distance. 

There is a practical limit though as the students get younger.  Especially K, 1 & 2.   The older elementary a little better but with still developing impulse control, recess, etc, they won't follow although masks may be possible as we had some children wearing them through the winter as is.

All play part in what the districts need to do with staffing para-educators, expectations and/or they just throw up their hands.


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Re: Distance learning?
« Reply #39 on: May 13, 2020, 10:40:42 AM »
So if locking down was such a mistake why are educational institutions and local governments extending safety protocols?

Because they can, they have no skin in the game. They are playing with other people’s money.



There's actually a lot of skin in the game.  Decline in enrollment, loss of housing revenues, international students who pay full tuition not coming over, etc, etc all leads to $$$$ losses.

Not AS MUCH skin in the game for regional colleges like the Cal St schools. 
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Re: Distance learning?
« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2020, 11:08:07 AM »
CDCs and Montessori’s are essentially daycares. Many of them have stayed open for essential workers and parents who just can’t deal. Way different than k-12 schools.

As Germany shows, clearly they can socially distance. 

There is a practical limit though as the students get younger.  Especially K, 1 & 2.   The older elementary a little better but with still developing impulse control, recess, etc, they won't follow although masks may be possible as we had some children wearing them through the winter as is.

All play part in what the districts need to do with staffing para-educators, expectations and/or they just throw up their hands.



COVID has shown us what a lot of other countries can do and what we can't (or choose not to do).

But one US college is undertaking mass testing. Goal is to test everyone once a month come September.

https://edsource.org/2020/will-others-follow-uc-san-diegos-plan-to-widely-test-for-coronavirus/631027

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Re: Distance learning?
« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2020, 10:07:27 PM »
Irvine’s year round school is slated to start mid July, but no commitment on whether that means students in the classroom, but the district is shying away from the mention of continued distance learning.

About masks being worn by students, teachers are no longer allowed to take away cell phones for being misused, can’t imagine mask enforcement.

My only solution would be to alternate school days by alphabet. A-M on even weekdays and N-Z on odd weekdays; this would halve class size and at least allow parents to return to work part-time or plan for care halftime.

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Re: Distance learning?
« Reply #42 on: May 13, 2020, 10:18:25 PM »
So what is the magic number of feet between kids with the alternating class schedule? Is it 3ft? Is it 6ft? Does it even really matter?

This kind of reminds me about people complaining recently about some United flight being packed and they kept saying united went back on their word about not having people in middle seats. Does it really matter on an airplane? There is no meaningful amount of distance that works on an airplane.

I think this applies in school too.

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Re: Distance learning?
« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2020, 10:41:41 PM »
This is so F—up. We as parents know that kids and their friends at school will play closely together. Especially younger kids.

I can imagine, I will get a call from staffs to inform me that my kids violate the rules and get detentions at home.

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Re: Distance learning?
« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2020, 11:42:02 PM »
So what is the magic number of feet between kids with the alternating class schedule? Is it 3ft? Is it 6ft? Does it even really matter?

This kind of reminds me about people complaining recently about some United flight being packed and they kept saying united went back on their word about not having people in middle seats. Does it really matter on an airplane? There is no meaningful amount of distance that works on an airplane.

I think this applies in school too.

For flights, it's not about the max distance between people, it's about having less people on the plane to infect less people if any passenger is sick.

I imagine this applies to school as well.

 

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