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« Reply #2535 on: June 30, 2020, 09:54:42 AM »
I'm just letting you know it's closer than you think if you have kids, its bound to spread in school.

That was for Mety

No clue what they will do, guess we'll find out in a couple months. 

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« Reply #2536 on: June 30, 2020, 10:02:16 AM »
We are not saying it, we know it.

People in healthcare knows. Hospitals in California are getting full.

You don't need agencies, news, government to tell you when your friends and family who works in health care called out of the blue and give you stern warning to limit going out.

Which hospitals in CA are getting full? Are the public city hospitals getting to the point where they can’t take patients anymore? We can’t say hospitals are getting full when some small clinic businesses are having more people than usual.

I’m just trying to get the truth. Some say facts are facts as they appear on data and through people in medical business and so on, but isn’t there a possibility those also could be coming from someone else’s biased opinions?

Hospitals of Kaiser across Southern california and LA County are ones I personally knows that's getting full, large enough for you?

LA county is also forcing resident to stay and practice for extra hours, if not, they risk getting disqualified or received lowest passing grade

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« Reply #2537 on: June 30, 2020, 10:13:20 AM »
This was more afterschool care/camp at an IUSD school, not sure what they would do during actual classes. I'm sure if you called the health department they'd give you more info if allowed.  I'm just letting you know it's closer than you think if you have kids, its bound to spread in school.

I think we’re all aware kids will get in in schools. My point is about the shut down. So elem school of 1000 kids. 70% opt to do some in person learning. One person (student, teacher, staff) tests positive, do they shut down the whole thing for 2 weeks?  Do they only shut down portions that had exposure?  Because if it’s the whole school, shut down for 2 weeks, might as well not bother with opening.

Depends.  How’s the air handling in the building?  If there is a HVAC servicing multiple rooms, IMHO,  everybody on the community HVAC is exposed.  It’s the restaurant scenario.


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« Reply #2538 on: June 30, 2020, 10:27:02 AM »
Depending on how it all shakes out, DL may turn out to be the “best” option in terms of actual “learning time”.

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« Reply #2539 on: June 30, 2020, 10:45:26 AM »
This was more afterschool care/camp at an IUSD school, not sure what they would do during actual classes. I'm sure if you called the health department they'd give you more info if allowed.  I'm just letting you know it's closer than you think if you have kids, its bound to spread in school.

So it was NOT one of public schools. Your initial post sounded like C-19 broke out from one of public elementary schools or something. That's why I asked you since you sounded more informed about it than me.

I'm not and never has been against protecting kids' health. I'm just questioning for accuracy. One word could mean millions of things if not addressed correctly. 

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« Reply #2540 on: June 30, 2020, 10:50:52 AM »
We are not saying it, we know it.

People in healthcare knows. Hospitals in California are getting full.

You don't need agencies, news, government to tell you when your friends and family who works in health care called out of the blue and give you stern warning to limit going out.

Which hospitals in CA are getting full? Are the public city hospitals getting to the point where they can’t take patients anymore? We can’t say hospitals are getting full when some small clinic businesses are having more people than usual.

I’m just trying to get the truth. Some say facts are facts as they appear on data and through people in medical business and so on, but isn’t there a possibility those also could be coming from someone else’s biased opinions?

Hospitals of Kaiser across Southern california and LA County are ones I personally knows that's getting full, large enough for you?

LA county is also forcing resident to stay and practice for extra hours, if not, they risk getting disqualified or received lowest passing grade

Thanks for providing actual names. You're saying you personally know they're getting full, but I still have not seen the actual data of them getting full to the point where they can't take more people. I don't disbelieve you. Like always, I'm looking for accuracy and reliable sources to actually agree and believe. I can't make the decision off of what someone's saying they know something personally and whatnot.

However, I really appreciate your inputs and telling us Kaisers across CA are getting full. Now I or someone who wants to dig deeper can actually look to find out more.

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« Reply #2541 on: June 30, 2020, 10:55:04 AM »
We are not saying it, we know it.

People in healthcare knows. Hospitals in California are getting full.

You don't need agencies, news, government to tell you when your friends and family who works in health care called out of the blue and give you stern warning to limit going out.

Which hospitals in CA are getting full? Are the public city hospitals getting to the point where they can’t take patients anymore? We can’t say hospitals are getting full when some small clinic businesses are having more people than usual.

I’m just trying to get the truth. Some say facts are facts as they appear on data and through people in medical business and so on, but isn’t there a possibility those also could be coming from someone else’s biased opinions?

Google covid hospital full in CA?

https://abc7.com/coronavirus-covid-19-inland-empire-riverside-county-hospital-beds-icu-san-bernardino/6282266/

Almost every ICU bed in Riverside County is currently being used. The county website shows ICU utilization has steadily risen in the past two weeks, from about 82% just two weeks ago to almost 99% as of Sunday.

Is the county overreporting their own beds and usage?  What would they gain from that?

Umm. They can actually gain lotta things from that. More bed units and more funding will be given to them if they do report they need help. BUT I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE OVERREPORTING. I just answered your question.

Anyways, I couldn't find much information which hospitals were actually getting full in Google. That's why I asked here.

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« Reply #2542 on: June 30, 2020, 11:03:09 AM »
So are some of you guys saying there are more cases popping since the businesses have been opening back to normal?

Not us... the various health agencies, governments, news etc.

And you agree, yes?

It's data. Unlike some people... I can't ignore facts.

Data should equal to facts which should be truth, right? That's not always the case in reality. Health agencies, governments, news, and etc. are all heavily biased these days and people end up getting distorted data.

We have freewill and this country is all about free speech, yeah? That's why I'm using my freedom to look for accuracy and truth. Unfortunately, what should have been reliable are not being trustful now days and I can't help but to keep seeking and questioning things. Some of you guys (like eyephone and morekoas cough cough) seem pretty firm with what you're getting out of those sources though. I'm just not that type of a person.

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« Reply #2543 on: June 30, 2020, 11:19:58 AM »
Kenkoko had a post earlier that misreporting can constitute fraud and that's not something hospitals would want to do.

It would be an outlier if only one or two hospitals were saying this but it's several... across the nation.

You need to work on your Google skills, look up Houston's hospitals.
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« Reply #2544 on: June 30, 2020, 11:39:04 AM »
Kenkoko had a post earlier that misreporting can constitute fraud and that's not something hospitals would want to do.

It would be an outlier if only one or two hospitals were saying this but it's several... across the nation.

You need to work on your Google skills, look up Houston's hospitals.

That's why I said in BOLD above statement so that someone like you might not end up believing own imagination that I said hospitals are reporting fraud all over.

I listened to your suggestion and tried that google. This article was the first thing popped up.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/06/28/texas-hospital-says-100-of-icu-beds-full--then-removes-its-report/#385e49a47a55

This says Texas' largest medical complex removed its ICU bed capacity report. They reported it was getting full then someone else said C-19 driven case was only 27%. Then the hospital got more beds coming and yade yade...

So what is to believe? The initial report? Or the 27% part? Or the whole thing was a hoax? Is Trump getting reelected? It just shows there are so much politics going on and we don't know what to believe anymore.

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« Reply #2545 on: June 30, 2020, 12:47:03 PM »
You're just pulling a qwerty... only seeing what you want to see. Any Google search will pull up multiple articles in several states regarding fear of hospitals going over capacity:

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/06/30/breaking-news/doctors-nurses-angry-as-coronavirus-strains-california-hospitals/

Here is a CDC chart that shows what could grow into an issue:

https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/report-patient-impact.html

I do think we can get this under control as long as we actively adhere to safety guidelines.

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« Reply #2546 on: June 30, 2020, 12:52:36 PM »
Or you can just close your eyes and hope coronavirus magically vanishes.

have you ever seen a coronavirus?  clearly it's not real

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« Reply #2547 on: June 30, 2020, 01:01:53 PM »
Google does personalized search results.  What you see is highly influenced by what junk you’ve searched and browsed over the last 180 days.

If you’ve been going down the plandemic rathole, you’ll get results skewed towards the hoax camp.   If you’ve been googling the CDC and State health boards, you’ll get different results and if you’ve been lining up your stint with the Sea Shepard Conservation Society, still different results.

Basically if you’re viewing ma8nstream media is biased sites, google will present view from the mainstream media is biased sites.

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« Reply #2548 on: June 30, 2020, 01:18:08 PM »
This was more afterschool care/camp at an IUSD school, not sure what they would do during actual classes. I'm sure if you called the health department they'd give you more info if allowed.  I'm just letting you know it's closer than you think if you have kids, its bound to spread in school.

So it was NOT one of public schools. Your initial post sounded like C-19 broke out from one of public elementary schools or something. That's why I asked you since you sounded more informed about it than me.

I'm not and never has been against protecting kids' health. I'm just questioning for accuracy. One word could mean millions of things if not addressed correctly. 

It was at the Rainbow Rising at Beacon Park Elementary.

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« Reply #2549 on: June 30, 2020, 01:21:14 PM »
Google does personalized search results.  What you see is highly influenced by what junk you’ve searched and browsed over the last 180 days.

If you’ve been going down the plandemic rathole, you’ll get results skewed towards the hoax camp.   If you’ve been googling the CDC and State health boards, you’ll get different results and if you’ve been lining up your stint with the Sea Shepard Conservation Society, still different results.

Basically if you’re viewing ma8nstream media is biased sites, google will present view from the mainstream media is biased sites.

no wonder i keep getting ads for mask porn sites

 

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