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Re: coronavirus
« Reply #1560 on: April 24, 2020, 09:32:33 PM »

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« Reply #1561 on: April 24, 2020, 09:52:23 PM »
Just heard from someone in neighborhood  tried the antibody test and found they had the antibodies for this virus. The family had flu in Nov. and then again Jan, so they all went for this test and found they had the antibodies. So it looks like virus was here much earlier.

Do you know where they went?

There’s also a place in Mission Viejo, one my wife’s friends went here (they also thought they had it in Jan but tested negative), but the yelp reviews here are much better than what I’m seeing for xurgentcare locations.
http://www.rjclinicalinstitute.com

Let us know if you get it Q.  I’m interested in getting one as well.

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« Reply #1562 on: April 24, 2020, 10:36:24 PM »
It’s very tempting to go get it, but I don’t want to arrive at the testing site corona free and leave positive :-)

May just wait for whenever an at home antibody testing is released. I’ll let you guys know if I get one though

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« Reply #1563 on: April 24, 2020, 11:27:22 PM »
Just heard from someone in neighborhood  tried the antibody test and found they had the antibodies for this virus. The family had flu in Nov. and then again Jan, so they all went for this test and found they had the antibodies. So it looks like virus was here much earlier.

Have a buddy (firefighter) just got his antibody test and tested positive for having had it. He says he was sick in November, before thanksgiving. Is sure that was when he had it.  This thing has been around for quite awhile, think a lot of us has already had it. I am pretty sure I did and my son in December. We are further along with this thing then they say.

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« Reply #1564 on: April 24, 2020, 11:51:35 PM »
Doctor details "torture" of watching her 4-year-old son struggling to breathe while battling coronavirus


He lost the desire to eat and drink entirely, and he slept for the vast majority of the day and night.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-doctor-son-battling-virus-in-the-hospital/

Please be careful. The virus also can attack little ones.


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« Reply #1565 on: April 25, 2020, 01:21:33 AM »
I don’t trust anything CBS news puts out after the fake nurse video.

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« Reply #1566 on: April 25, 2020, 01:23:11 AM »
Just heard from someone in neighborhood  tried the antibody test and found they had the antibodies for this virus. The family had flu in Nov. and then again Jan, so they all went for this test and found they had the antibodies. So it looks like virus was here much earlier.

Have a buddy (firefighter) just got his antibody test and tested positive for having had it. He says he was sick in November, before thanksgiving. Is sure that was when he had it.  This thing has been around for quite awhile, think a lot of us has already had it. I am pretty sure I did and my son in December. We are further along with this thing then they say.

MK get tested this coming week and let us know.

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« Reply #1567 on: April 25, 2020, 03:47:22 AM »
I don’t trust anything CBS news puts out after the fake nurse video.

There are more picture and a video of the 4 year old coughing. Some are same pictures, but there are some that are different. In the pictures, you can see him in the hospital.

Daily Mail Article: Mama, I'm not gonna go home': Doctor shares shocking video of her four-year-old son struggling to breathe after contracting coronavirus as she warns parents to take the virus seriously

Part of the article that list the events:
March 12: Last day of school and Lincoln’s quarantine begins.

March 16: Colorado State closes schools

March 21: Lincoln begins sneezing has a stuffy nose and slight cough. His mother has left the house once to go to Target and his father has left once to go to Costco since March 12.

March 27: Lincoln had a high fever of 104.5

March 28: Lincoln goes to the doctor and is diagnosed with pneumonia after a viral illness. They begin antibiotics and oxygen treatment at home.

March 28: Lincoln goes to the doctor and is diagnosed with pneumonia after a viral illness. They begin antibiotics and oxygen treatment at home.

March 30: Lincoln needs more support and oxygen and is admitted to hospital.

He needs 2l of oxygen and by that night 4l.

March 31: He needs 6l of oxygen then 9l. He develops seesaw breathing, nasal flaring, grunting, retracting, tachypneic and has to use muscles in his chest, abdomen, and neck to help him breathe

His labs and X-ray don’t look like Coronavirus but that night he tests positive.

April 4: Hospital day 6. He is starting to eat better, IV fluids are turned off and he’s on less than 1L of flow.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8250707/Doctor-shares-shocking-video-4-year-old-son-struggling-breathe-contracting-coronavirus.html

So you are discrediting the story about the 4 year that caught the covid virus. Here is another article relating to the 4 year old named Lincoln. I came across this article and I thought it would be a good idea to share it with others on TI. Because there is a stigma that the covid virus only effects really old people.

I am grateful and thankful that Dr. Anna Zimmermann shared the story about her  4 year old. Also, I am pleased to see that the 4 year old recovered.

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« Reply #1568 on: April 25, 2020, 08:07:52 AM »
Increase the denominator and the problem dissipates....

L.A. County Antibody Tests Suggest the Fatality Rate for COVID-19 Is Much Lower Than People Feared
The tests indicate that the number of infections in the county is around 40 times as high as the number of confirmed cases.
Preliminary results from antibody tests in Los Angeles County indicate that the true number of COVID-19 infections is much higher than the number of confirmed cases there, which implies that the fatality rate is much lower than the official tallies suggest. "The mortality rate now has dropped a lot," Barbara Ferrer, director of the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health, said at a press briefing today. In contrast with the current crude case fatality rate of about 4.5 percent, she said, the study suggests that 0.1 percent to 0.2 percent of people infected by the virus will die, which would make COVID-19 only somewhat more deadly than the seasonal flu.

Based on a representative sample of 863 adults tested early this month, researchers at the University of Southern California (USC), working in collaboration with the public health department, found that "approximately 4.1% of the county's adult population has antibody to the virus." Taking into account the statistical margin of error, the results indicate that "2.8% to 5.6% of the county's adult population has antibody to the virus—which translates to approximately 221,000 to 442,000 adults in the county who have had the infection." That is 28 to 55 times higher than the tally of confirmed cases at the time of the study.

As of noon today, Los Angeles County had reported 617 deaths out of 13,816 confirmed cases, which implies a fatality rate of 4.5 percent. Based on that death toll, the new study suggests the true fatality rate among everyone infected by the virus is somewhere between 0.1 percent and 0.3 percent(without taking into account people infected since the study was conducted). The lower end of that range is about the same as the estimated fatality rate for the seasonal flu.

https://reason.com/2020/04/20/l-a-county-antibody-tests-suggest-the-fatality-rate-for-covid-19-is-much-lower-than-people-feared/

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Re: coronavirus
« Reply #1569 on: April 25, 2020, 10:51:25 AM »
I think we understand the math that the number of a cases is higher than what has been tested and that will lower the fatality rate but at the same time, we need to understand that the social distancing/stay at home lowered the infection rate which could have made the fatality rate higher.

It's all variables, just like the models had flawed math in overshooting the numbers, this new math with a flattened curve also has flaws.
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« Reply #1570 on: April 25, 2020, 11:14:32 AM »
Eyephone I didn't even click the link or read the story.  I'm not saying that the story about the 4 year old is untrue (I have no idea), I've just chosen not to read anything from CBS news after some of their editors and producers have shown themselves to be completely unethical and not trustworthy. 

Assuming the story is true, I agree it's an awful unbearable situation for the child and his family.  No family should have to see their child suffer like that - I wish them well and hope he can come out of this with no long lasting health issues. 

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Re: coronavirus
« Reply #1571 on: April 25, 2020, 11:30:39 AM »
I don’t trust anything CBS news puts out after the fake nurse video.

I came across this article and I thought it would be a good idea to share it with others on TI. Because there is a stigma that the covid virus only effects really old people.

While true that COVID infects and kills people of ALL ages including children, those who are at highest risk for complications / death are still the elderly and those with chronic medical conditions. There has been only a handful of pediatric deaths in the US and China among the tens of thousands of adults who died.

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« Reply #1572 on: April 25, 2020, 01:16:16 PM »
Eyephone I didn't even click the link or read the story.  I'm not saying that the story about the 4 year old is untrue (I have no idea), I've just chosen not to read anything from CBS news after some of their editors and producers have shown themselves to be completely unethical and not trustworthy. 

Assuming the story is true, I agree it's an awful unbearable situation for the child and his family.  No family should have to see their child suffer like that - I wish them well and hope he can come out of this with no long lasting health issues.

I get it, it does not fit your agenda. As you said assuming the story is true. All I got to say I do not have a reputation on TI or real life spreading fake news or misinformation.

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Re: coronavirus
« Reply #1573 on: April 25, 2020, 01:40:39 PM »
I think we understand the math that the number of a cases is higher than what has been tested and that will lower the fatality rate but at the same time, we need to understand that the social distancing/stay at home lowered the infection rate which could have made the fatality rate higher.

It's all variables, just like the models had flawed math in overshooting the numbers, this new math with a flattened curve also has flaws.

Not sure this is right. If you infected all of the population at once, X number of people would die. The flattening if the curve was to space out the infection rate as you said, to avoid overwhelming the medical system (which seems to have had the unintended consequence of hospitals being empty and lay-off/furloughs happening) but the number of deaths in theory would be the same.

If you are a bad genetic match for the virus you are dying either way. Today or next week, next month, etc.

So the death rate is fixed. We just don’t know what the number is. It’s probably much closer to the .1-.2% death rate vs the 4% that is published.

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Re: coronavirus
« Reply #1574 on: April 25, 2020, 02:07:38 PM »
I think we understand the math that the number of a cases is higher than what has been tested and that will lower the fatality rate but at the same time, we need to understand that the social distancing/stay at home lowered the infection rate which could have made the fatality rate higher.

It's all variables, just like the models had flawed math in overshooting the numbers, this new math with a flattened curve also has flaws.

Not sure this is right. If you infected all of the population at once, X number of people would die. The flattening if the curve was to space out the infection rate as you said, to avoid overwhelming the medical system (which seems to have had the unintended consequence of hospitals being empty and lay-off/furloughs happening) but the number of deaths in theory would be the same.

If you are a bad genetic match for the virus you are dying either way. Today or next week, next month, etc.

So the death rate is fixed. We just don%u2019t know what the number is. It%u2019s probably much closer to the .1-.2% death rate vs the 4% that is published.

No, the number of death would not be the same when comparing everyone infected at once vs slowly.

Proper care by medical staff with enough energy and enough ventilator affect the chances of someone surviving.

Look at Italy for example, when the doctor has to choose who to unplug from the ventilator, there is no way the death rate is going to be the same as not overwhelmed medical system.
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