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« Reply #5145 on: December 06, 2021, 01:48:47 PM »
There are so many factors we do not know.
1. Did the isolated person use disposable plates. If not someone would have get his plates from his room. There can be potential exposure.
2. Trash: How did they handle the trash from his room? Some that took out his trash could of got exposed.

I can keep on going. There are a lot of I dont knows.


So the new trend on talk irvine is to omit key facts from a story.
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« Reply #5146 on: December 06, 2021, 01:54:46 PM »
Another rabbit hole is that someone could of have a fake vaccination card. (idk for discussion purposes)

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« Reply #5147 on: December 06, 2021, 01:58:27 PM »
This might be a distraction by him. Because the emergency rooms are around 70% across the US.

Hopefully it does not get jam packed like the last surge. 

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« Reply #5148 on: December 06, 2021, 03:32:14 PM »
There are so many factors we do not know.
1. Did the isolated person use disposable plates. If not someone would have get his plates from his room. There can be potential exposure.
2. Trash: How did they handle the trash from his room? Some that took out his trash could of got exposed.

I can keep on going. There are a lot of I dont knows.


So the new trend on talk irvine is to omit key facts from a story.

Because you don’t know, do you? Because it wasn’t reporter, was it? You just made that leap and reported it as if true because it supported what you wanted to believe…didn’t you?

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« Reply #5149 on: December 06, 2021, 04:45:30 PM »
There are so many factors we do not know.
1. Did the isolated person use disposable plates. If not someone would have get his plates from his room. There can be potential exposure.
2. Trash: How did they handle the trash from his room? Some that took out his trash could of got exposed.

I can keep on going. There are a lot of I dont knows.


So the new trend on talk irvine is to omit key facts from a story.

Because you don’t know, do you? Because it wasn’t reporter, was it? You just made that leap and reported it as if true because it supported what you wanted to believe…didn’t you?


1. You or your source materially left a key fact.
2. I did not make a leap. I simply gave an example how covid travel through the ac system.
3. Also, I gave an example how covid can easily be transmitted by removing the plates and trash from the room. (hypothetically for entertainment purposes only)

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« Reply #5150 on: December 06, 2021, 05:00:55 PM »
Regarding 3% fatality for vaccine injuries (not vaccinated)

Quick search on Twitter.. outcome wise 1223 death out of 422086 adverse events (2.85%) and 9.4k unknown. It is scarier than I thought.  This is Pfizer own data...

https://twitter.com/nick_the_geek78/status/1466824421625237512?t=ktK_hKmLX67CZc6oerrbjA&s=19

You can read the PDF here. Pfizer filing to FDA
https://t.co/hz8BSDTBeI?s=09
It has much more detailed breakdown on the adverse events.


3% of vaccine injuries are fatal. This is from FDA and Pfizer based on a 90 day study when the vaccine just rolled out, information that was released at end of Nov that FDA want to lock up for 55 years. The chance of vaccine injury is not zero. This is not mis information.
And according to a Pfizer board member, their vaccine doesn't cause death others do. Does that mean overall vaccine has a higher fatality rate?

These are facts that ones can easily verify. I am wondering why Calbears refuse to see facts and promote vaccinate mandate for everyone. Is he so scared of Coronavirus that not only he triple jab himself wearing triple masks staying at his tiny apartment watching MSNBC and CNN and cursing at moderate and right wingers by blaming them for his inability to afford a new house in Irvine and watching the price keeps going up?


The wording is confusing on your post.
Are you telling me 3% of people who got the COVID vaccine are dead?
What does 3% of vaccine injuries are fatal mean?


Can't you just make it simple for us smooth brains and tell us how many people have died due to the shot?

Probably no one died and injuries are likely a sore arm for a few hours, but "facts" are in the mind of the beholder. "In the U.S., rough­ly 10,000 peo­ple a day die," Po­land said. "By chance alone, thou­sands of those are going to die with­in X num­ber of hours or days of get­ting a COVID vac­cine. Does that mean it caused it? No more than the many thou­sands of peo­ple who get in a car ac­ci­dent today. Did the vac­cine cause their ac­ci­dent?"

https://www.startribune.com/list-of-vaccine-injuries-is-not-what-it-seems-public-officials-warn/600116412/
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Re: coronavirus
« Reply #5151 on: December 06, 2021, 05:14:13 PM »
There are so many factors we do not know.
1. Did the isolated person use disposable plates. If not someone would have get his plates from his room. There can be potential exposure.
2. Trash: How did they handle the trash from his room? Some that took out his trash could of got exposed.

I can keep on going. There are a lot of I dont knows.


So the new trend on talk irvine is to omit key facts from a story.

Because you don’t know, do you? Because it wasn’t reporter, was it? You just made that leap and reported it as if true because it supported what you wanted to believe…didn’t you?


1. You or your source materially left a key fact.
2. I did not make a leap. I simply gave an example how covid travel through the ac system.
3. Also, I gave an example how covid can easily be transmitted by removing the plates and trash from the room. (hypothetically for entertainment purposes only)

Here’s another possibility…the South African escapes his room and spits in the Blue Hawaiin Punch bowl…that’s possible too isn’t it?  Yah that’s the ticket…he spit in the punch!…



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« Reply #5152 on: December 06, 2021, 05:52:51 PM »
Regarding 3% fatality for vaccine injuries (not vaccinated)

Quick search on Twitter.. outcome wise 1223 death out of 422086 adverse events (2.85%) and 9.4k unknown. It is scarier than I thought.  This is Pfizer own data...

https://twitter.com/nick_the_geek78/status/1466824421625237512?t=ktK_hKmLX67CZc6oerrbjA&s=19

You can read the PDF here. Pfizer filing to FDA
https://t.co/hz8BSDTBeI?s=09
It has much more detailed breakdown on the adverse events.


3% of vaccine injuries are fatal. This is from FDA and Pfizer based on a 90 day study when the vaccine just rolled out, information that was released at end of Nov that FDA want to lock up for 55 years. The chance of vaccine injury is not zero. This is not mis information.
And according to a Pfizer board member, their vaccine doesn't cause death others do. Does that mean overall vaccine has a higher fatality rate?

These are facts that ones can easily verify. I am wondering why Calbears refuse to see facts and promote vaccinate mandate for everyone. Is he so scared of Coronavirus that not only he triple jab himself wearing triple masks staying at his tiny apartment watching MSNBC and CNN and cursing at moderate and right wingers by blaming them for his inability to afford a new house in Irvine and watching the price keeps going up?


The wording is confusing on your post.
Are you telling me 3% of people who got the COVID vaccine are dead?
What does 3% of vaccine injuries are fatal mean?


Can't you just make it simple for us smooth brains and tell us how many people have died due to the shot?

Probably no one died and injuries are likely a sore arm for a few hours, but "facts" are in the mind of the beholder. "In the U.S., rough­ly 10,000 peo­ple a day die," Po­land said. "By chance alone, thou­sands of those are going to die with­in X num­ber of hours or days of get­ting a COVID vac­cine. Does that mean it caused it? No more than the many thou­sands of peo­ple who get in a car ac­ci­dent today. Did the vac­cine cause their ac­ci­dent?"

https://www.startribune.com/list-of-vaccine-injuries-is-not-what-it-seems-public-officials-warn/600116412/

Oh my 10,000 headaches.  8000 cases of Pyrexia (that’s fever) 1800 cases of acne, jk, aches.

Why search Twitter, search the VAERs database directly at the CDC.  Yep, some people died of a cardiac issue with onset more than 120 days after their vaccination and they were over 75.  Shocking!


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« Reply #5153 on: December 06, 2021, 06:24:51 PM »
There are so many factors we do not know.
1. Did the isolated person use disposable plates. If not someone would have get his plates from his room. There can be potential exposure.
2. Trash: How did they handle the trash from his room? Some that took out his trash could of got exposed.

I can keep on going. There are a lot of I dont knows.


So the new trend on talk irvine is to omit key facts from a story.

Because you don’t know, do you? Because it wasn’t reporter, was it? You just made that leap and reported it as if true because it supported what you wanted to believe…didn’t you?


1. You or your source materially left a key fact.
2. I did not make a leap. I simply gave an example how covid travel through the ac system.
3. Also, I gave an example how covid can easily be transmitted by removing the plates and trash from the room. (hypothetically for entertainment purposes only)

Here’s another possibility…the South African escapes his room and spits in the Blue Hawaiin Punch bowl…that’s possible too isn’t it?  Yah that’s the ticket…he spit in the punch!…



By your posts you think covid is a joke. Unfortunately it is not.   

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« Reply #5154 on: December 06, 2021, 06:57:20 PM »
You never get it…I don’t think Covid is a joke…but the way some people react to it…yeah, I think that’s a joke.

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« Reply #5155 on: December 06, 2021, 07:04:59 PM »
I don't think you actually read the official Pfizer document.
So you are saying the 3% death rate (of whom have vaccine adverse effects) is in line with natural death rate due to other causes? Cant you say the same for COVID deaths?
Like somebody with gunshot wound or stage 4 terminal cancer, died after being admitted to an hospital and tested positive for COVID, shocker!



Regarding 3% fatality for vaccine injuries (not vaccinated)

Quick search on Twitter.. outcome wise 1223 death out of 422086 adverse events (2.85%) and 9.4k unknown. It is scarier than I thought.  This is Pfizer own data...

https://twitter.com/nick_the_geek78/status/1466824421625237512?t=ktK_hKmLX67CZc6oerrbjA&s=19

You can read the PDF here. Pfizer filing to FDA
https://t.co/hz8BSDTBeI?s=09
It has much more detailed breakdown on the adverse events.


3% of vaccine injuries are fatal. This is from FDA and Pfizer based on a 90 day study when the vaccine just rolled out, information that was released at end of Nov that FDA want to lock up for 55 years. The chance of vaccine injury is not zero. This is not mis information.
And according to a Pfizer board member, their vaccine doesn't cause death others do. Does that mean overall vaccine has a higher fatality rate?

These are facts that ones can easily verify. I am wondering why Calbears refuse to see facts and promote vaccinate mandate for everyone. Is he so scared of Coronavirus that not only he triple jab himself wearing triple masks staying at his tiny apartment watching MSNBC and CNN and cursing at moderate and right wingers by blaming them for his inability to afford a new house in Irvine and watching the price keeps going up?


The wording is confusing on your post.
Are you telling me 3% of people who got the COVID vaccine are dead?
What does 3% of vaccine injuries are fatal mean?


Can't you just make it simple for us smooth brains and tell us how many people have died due to the shot?

Probably no one died and injuries are likely a sore arm for a few hours, but "facts" are in the mind of the beholder. "In the U.S., rough­ly 10,000 peo­ple a day die," Po­land said. "By chance alone, thou­sands of those are going to die with­in X num­ber of hours or days of get­ting a COVID vac­cine. Does that mean it caused it? No more than the many thou­sands of peo­ple who get in a car ac­ci­dent today. Did the vac­cine cause their ac­ci­dent?"

https://www.startribune.com/list-of-vaccine-injuries-is-not-what-it-seems-public-officials-warn/600116412/

Oh my 10,000 headaches.  8000 cases of Pyrexia (that’s fever) 1800 cases of acne, jk, aches.

Why search Twitter, search the VAERs database directly at the CDC.  Yep, some people died of a cardiac issue with onset more than 120 days after their vaccination and they were over 75.  Shocking!

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« Reply #5156 on: December 06, 2021, 08:15:56 PM »
Pfizers own safety report for vaccine adverse incidents for the first 90 days of vaccination is quite scary. 42086 relevant cases, 11361 not recovered at time of report (what?) 1223 fatal and 9400 Unknown (what?)
23 spontaneous abortions out of 270 pregnancies (is this normal rate?)
Unfortunately they redacted # of vaccination given in this period.
Their conclusion is favorable benefit, risk balance.

Obviously this is from Pfizer so one can argue the actual numbers might be worse.

In an ideal world with objective science, one can choose to be vaccinated or not based on the risk and risk tolerance that is different for every one.  But with highly politicized medias and entities with different agenda and bias, it is more difficult to get the facts. Calbears is a prime example of someone who lacks critical thinking skills, bought into the COVID fear mongering and accuses every thing that doesn't fit his narrative as misinformation. He calls everyone that doesn't agree with him morons.
 He is a religious believer that government our elected officials are all altruistic saints that only care about the people and refuse to see the same very people he worships often do something different than what they preach.

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« Reply #5157 on: December 06, 2021, 08:46:47 PM »
I did look at it.  I know what I looked at.  I also looked at the VAERs DB. 
Maybe this will help you understand where you’re being lead down a rabbit hole.

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/does-vaers-list-deaths-caused-by-covid-19-vaccines


I don't think you actually read the official Pfizer document.
So you are saying the 3% death rate (of whom have vaccine adverse effects) is in line with natural death rate due to other causes? Cant you say the same for COVID deaths?
Like somebody with gunshot wound or stage 4 terminal cancer, died after being admitted to an hospital and tested positive for COVID, shocker!



Regarding 3% fatality for vaccine injuries (not vaccinated)

Quick search on Twitter.. outcome wise 1223 death out of 422086 adverse events (2.85%) and 9.4k unknown. It is scarier than I thought.  This is Pfizer own data...

https://twitter.com/nick_the_geek78/status/1466824421625237512?t=ktK_hKmLX67CZc6oerrbjA&s=19

You can read the PDF here. Pfizer filing to FDA
https://t.co/hz8BSDTBeI?s=09
It has much more detailed breakdown on the adverse events.


3% of vaccine injuries are fatal. This is from FDA and Pfizer based on a 90 day study when the vaccine just rolled out, information that was released at end of Nov that FDA want to lock up for 55 years. The chance of vaccine injury is not zero. This is not mis information.
And according to a Pfizer board member, their vaccine doesn't cause death others do. Does that mean overall vaccine has a higher fatality rate?

These are facts that ones can easily verify. I am wondering why Calbears refuse to see facts and promote vaccinate mandate for everyone. Is he so scared of Coronavirus that not only he triple jab himself wearing triple masks staying at his tiny apartment watching MSNBC and CNN and cursing at moderate and right wingers by blaming them for his inability to afford a new house in Irvine and watching the price keeps going up?


The wording is confusing on your post.
Are you telling me 3% of people who got the COVID vaccine are dead?
What does 3% of vaccine injuries are fatal mean?


Can't you just make it simple for us smooth brains and tell us how many people have died due to the shot?

Probably no one died and injuries are likely a sore arm for a few hours, but "facts" are in the mind of the beholder. "In the U.S., rough­ly 10,000 peo­ple a day die," Po­land said. "By chance alone, thou­sands of those are going to die with­in X num­ber of hours or days of get­ting a COVID vac­cine. Does that mean it caused it? No more than the many thou­sands of peo­ple who get in a car ac­ci­dent today. Did the vac­cine cause their ac­ci­dent?"

https://www.startribune.com/list-of-vaccine-injuries-is-not-what-it-seems-public-officials-warn/600116412/

Oh my 10,000 headaches.  8000 cases of Pyrexia (that’s fever) 1800 cases of acne, jk, aches.

Why search Twitter, search the VAERs database directly at the CDC.  Yep, some people died of a cardiac issue with onset more than 120 days after their vaccination and they were over 75.  Shocking!

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« Reply #5158 on: December 06, 2021, 10:32:31 PM »
So Pfizer is likely exaggerating the bad numbers in their report to the FDA that needs to approve their vaccine? That makes a lot of sense. Thank you.

I did look at it.  I know what I looked at.  I also looked at the VAERs DB. 
Maybe this will help you understand where you’re being lead down a rabbit hole.

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/does-vaers-list-deaths-caused-by-covid-19-vaccines


I don't think you actually read the official Pfizer document.
So you are saying the 3% death rate (of whom have vaccine adverse effects) is in line with natural death rate due to other causes? Cant you say the same for COVID deaths?
Like somebody with gunshot wound or stage 4 terminal cancer, died after being admitted to an hospital and tested positive for COVID, shocker!



Regarding 3% fatality for vaccine injuries (not vaccinated)

Quick search on Twitter.. outcome wise 1223 death out of 422086 adverse events (2.85%) and 9.4k unknown. It is scarier than I thought.  This is Pfizer own data...

https://twitter.com/nick_the_geek78/status/1466824421625237512?t=ktK_hKmLX67CZc6oerrbjA&s=19

You can read the PDF here. Pfizer filing to FDA
https://t.co/hz8BSDTBeI?s=09
It has much more detailed breakdown on the adverse events.


3% of vaccine injuries are fatal. This is from FDA and Pfizer based on a 90 day study when the vaccine just rolled out, information that was released at end of Nov that FDA want to lock up for 55 years. The chance of vaccine injury is not zero. This is not mis information.
And according to a Pfizer board member, their vaccine doesn't cause death others do. Does that mean overall vaccine has a higher fatality rate?

These are facts that ones can easily verify. I am wondering why Calbears refuse to see facts and promote vaccinate mandate for everyone. Is he so scared of Coronavirus that not only he triple jab himself wearing triple masks staying at his tiny apartment watching MSNBC and CNN and cursing at moderate and right wingers by blaming them for his inability to afford a new house in Irvine and watching the price keeps going up?


The wording is confusing on your post.
Are you telling me 3% of people who got the COVID vaccine are dead?
What does 3% of vaccine injuries are fatal mean?


Can't you just make it simple for us smooth brains and tell us how many people have died due to the shot?

Probably no one died and injuries are likely a sore arm for a few hours, but "facts" are in the mind of the beholder. "In the U.S., rough­ly 10,000 peo­ple a day die," Po­land said. "By chance alone, thou­sands of those are going to die with­in X num­ber of hours or days of get­ting a COVID vac­cine. Does that mean it caused it? No more than the many thou­sands of peo­ple who get in a car ac­ci­dent today. Did the vac­cine cause their ac­ci­dent?"

https://www.startribune.com/list-of-vaccine-injuries-is-not-what-it-seems-public-officials-warn/600116412/

Oh my 10,000 headaches.  8000 cases of Pyrexia (that’s fever) 1800 cases of acne, jk, aches.

Why search Twitter, search the VAERs database directly at the CDC.  Yep, some people died of a cardiac issue with onset more than 120 days after their vaccination and they were over 75.  Shocking!

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« Reply #5159 on: December 06, 2021, 10:48:54 PM »
VAERS automatically under reports negative reactions as it is voluntary and some individuals probably never report less adverse reactions.


VAERS Data Limitations

When reviewing data from VAERS, please keep in mind the following limitations:

VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning that reports about adverse events are not automatically collected, but require a report to be filed to VAERS. VAERS reports can be submitted voluntarily by anyone, including healthcare providers, patients, or family members. Reports vary in quality and completeness. They often lack details and sometimes can have information that contains errors.

"Underreporting" is one of the main limitations of passive surveillance systems, including VAERS. The term, underreporting refers to the fact that VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html

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