Portola Springs odors

Mo Jay

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Irvine mayor and city staff are coming tomorrow Thursday at 5 pm to survey the 250k cleanup of Bee Canyon Wash from years of leftover organic sediment that is the main culprit causing the periodic odors of this area.

I?ve also lobbied and have gotten approval for regular maintenance of this channel to prevent odors. I?ve also gotten the Irvine company to mow the dry bush from the hill at tomato springs which was completed today.

City manager and I met today with a few neighbors. An independent scientific consultant is also hired as of today to test the wash and ensure safety of it for future.

The meeting will be tomorrow Thursday 5 pm just outside the property at 113 Tomato Spring, Irvine, CA (please wait outside, do not ring the door of this house). Mayor Shea and city directors and consultants will be there.

If any of you have been affected by the odors (probably because you live within 1000 feet of Bee Canyon Wash) and have the ability to come tomorrow, it?d be nice so we can seal the deal and ensure all voices are heard and the project gets done.

Cleanup will start next week and we are told it will be completed by end of Feb 2020.
 
Would this get filed under environmental issue or just a nuisance?  Either way I guess it'll get rectified based on the ops post.  But what if the expert states there's nothing wrong based on their tests, do they still do a clean up or is the clean up a done deal already?
 
Mo Jay said:
Irvine mayor and city staff are coming tomorrow Thursday at 5 pm to survey the 250k cleanup of Bee Canyon Wash from years of leftover organic sediment that is the main culprit causing the periodic odors of this area.

I?ve also lobbied and have gotten approval for regular maintenance of this channel to prevent odors. I?ve also gotten the Irvine company to mow the dry bush from the hill at tomato springs which was completed today.

City manager and I met today with a few neighbors. An independent scientific consultant is also hired as of today to test the wash and ensure safety of it for future.

The meeting will be tomorrow Thursday 5 pm just outside the property at 113 Tomato Spring, Irvine, CA (please wait outside, do not ring the door of this house). Mayor Shea and city directors and consultants will be there.

If any of you have been affected by the odors (probably because you live within 1000 feet of Bee Canyon Wash) and have the ability to come tomorrow, it?d be nice so we can seal the deal and ensure all voices are heard and the project gets done.

Cleanup will start next week and we are told it will be completed by end of Feb 2020.

IHS was spot on.  Looks like Bee Canyon Wash is the trash gravy pool he was referring to back in 2016:
https://www.talkirvine.com/index.php/topic,15011.msg301699.html#msg301699
 
WTTCHMN said:
Mo Jay said:
Irvine mayor and city staff are coming tomorrow Thursday at 5 pm to survey the 250k cleanup of Bee Canyon Wash from years of leftover organic sediment that is the main culprit causing the periodic odors of this area.

I?ve also lobbied and have gotten approval for regular maintenance of this channel to prevent odors. I?ve also gotten the Irvine company to mow the dry bush from the hill at tomato springs which was completed today.

City manager and I met today with a few neighbors. An independent scientific consultant is also hired as of today to test the wash and ensure safety of it for future.

The meeting will be tomorrow Thursday 5 pm just outside the property at 113 Tomato Spring, Irvine, CA (please wait outside, do not ring the door of this house). Mayor Shea and city directors and consultants will be there.

If any of you have been affected by the odors (probably because you live within 1000 feet of Bee Canyon Wash) and have the ability to come tomorrow, it?d be nice so we can seal the deal and ensure all voices are heard and the project gets done.

Cleanup will start next week and we are told it will be completed by end of Feb 2020.

IHS was spot on.  Looks like Bee Canyon Wash is the trash gravy pool he was referring to back in 2016:
https://www.talkirvine.com/index.php/topic,15011.msg301699.html#msg301699

But IHS also lately recommended Cal Pac homes in that location. Change of minds?
 
Compressed-Village said:
Stonegates, Lutheran sport fields, and Eastwood is also in the proximity of this trash gravy, no?

Damn, they better contain this quick.

You forgot Orchard Hills, Northwood Pointe, Portola High, Northwood High, and on and on.

BTW, who that Mo Jay? Forgive me if I'm ignorant. Ready to be disciplined.
 
He/she doesn?t have to be a regular to post that kind of info. Congratulation on convincing the decision makers to come and see the issue.
 
Hmmm.... "leftover organic sediment" is quite the gentle name.

Although "Trash Gravy" is my current favorite, any other less sanitized names we can use to better describes the "LOS"?

My .02c
 
Soylent Green Is People said:
Hmmm.... "leftover organic sediment" is quite the gentle name.

Although "Trash Gravy" is my current favorite, any other less sanitized names we can use to better describes the "LOS"?

My .02c
Landfill Pus
Trash Enema
 
Mo Jay said:
Irvine mayor and city staff are coming tomorrow Thursday at 5 pm to survey the 250k cleanup of Bee Canyon Wash from years of leftover organic sediment that is the main culprit causing the periodic odors of this area.

I?ve also lobbied and have gotten approval for regular maintenance of this channel to prevent odors. I?ve also gotten the Irvine company to mow the dry bush from the hill at tomato springs which was completed today.

City manager and I met today with a few neighbors. An independent scientific consultant is also hired as of today to test the wash and ensure safety of it for future.

The meeting will be tomorrow Thursday 5 pm just outside the property at 113 Tomato Spring, Irvine, CA (please wait outside, do not ring the door of this house). Mayor Shea and city directors and consultants will be there.

If any of you have been affected by the odors (probably because you live within 1000 feet of Bee Canyon Wash) and have the ability to come tomorrow, it?d be nice so we can seal the deal and ensure all voices are heard and the project gets done.

Cleanup will start next week and we are told it will be completed by end of Feb 2020.

Deleting my comment. I?m getting confused. I thought this was regarding the asphalt smell.

But I have been talking about PS. Should of listened to me and others.
 
I live near the Bee Canyon Wash.  About two years ago a consultant was hired (by whom I do not know) to investigate the sulfurous odor.  I had a discussion with this person who told me that the vegetation that is being allowed to grow in the wash channel was blocking the flow of water and creating swamp-like conditions that produce this sulfurous odor.  Clear the vegetation regularly and the smell should go away.  The problem has been that the vegetation is not being regularly cleared.  I'm happy to hear that the city is committed to regularly maintaining the wash.  Kudos to Mo Jay for your efforts! 

I asked this consultant about the possibility of the smell coming from landfill runoff.  He explained to me there is an extensive groundwater and methane gas monitoring system in place at the landfill with something like over 100 monitoring wells.  There are collection systems in place that are regularly monitored.  Much of this in on the landfill's website and the landfill offers tours to those concerned or curious.  He explained that this landfill has more built in environmental protection systems that older landfills such as the one the Rancho San Joaquin golf course sits on or the one in Newport Coast.  Bottom line is in his professional opinion it is highly unlikely that the Bee Canyon Wash is getting runoff from the Bowerman landfill.

If anyone posting about the existence of landfill runoff in the Bee Canyon wash has facts to back this up, please provide the information so that the responsible entities can address the situation.



 
Compressed-Village said:
Stonegates, Lutheran sport fields, and Eastwood is also in the proximity of this trash gravy, no?

Damn, they better contain this quick.

Don't worry. It's very safe. This is the most modern, high tech landfill ever built in the world. Your air and water is as good as nature's best. All is good. j/k dunno to be honest. No one does unless they want to sell you their million dollar+ shack.
 
Happiness said:
Soylent Green Is People said:
Hmmm.... "leftover organic sediment" is quite the gentle name.

Although "Trash Gravy" is my current favorite, any other less sanitized names we can use to better describes the "LOS"?

My .02c
Landfill Pus
Trash Enema

People already knew before they bought.
When the information comes out. Please no fake tears  ;)
 
Mo Jay needs to get over to the Columbus Grove / Tustin Legacy area and get something done about the smell from the WM facility in the Construction Circle.

Whenever I go down Warner or up Jamboree... the smell is pretty strong.

That's one of the reasons we didn't buy in Columbus Grove back during the *real* slowdown.
 
One thing to note is that Mo Jay didn't really say the odor is from the landfill. Some people just automatically assume the odor must be from the landfill. I personally don't think so.

If there really is the odor, I think it could be the mixture of the creek, canyon, and some vegetation. Cleanups should be made regularly.

I don't believe in the trash gravy that causes odors especially from that Frank Bowerman Landfill. No, I don't live in PS just to make sure I'm not speaking from a biased view.
 
The landfill emanates no odors to reach any part of Irvine, period. That's a fact. I won't argue over this with anyone on this forum, unless you've spent 10+ hours talking with the landfill subject experts and done your own testing and observation and truly sought scientific data on it. There is no point arguing honestly if all you're going to do is to spread falsehoods about what one "feels" is the issue here. The winds at the critical times of landfill operation blow mostly westward away from Portola Springs and toward other villages west of the landfill. Just like the asphalt plant odors blowing westward. And those areas are not Portola Springs, and also have no odors from the landfill. The actual landfill has no odors. I?ve been there many times. The odors are actually the worst, I?m told, in the trucks before emptying (driving up sand canyon) and during emptying before being compacted which happens quickly at the landfill. 

There is NO trash gravy. That's also another fact. Please raise your voice if you have proof to the contrary. If you do, the county probably will reach out to you to clarify your claim because this is not a joke to them and to the experts they have on staff that take pride in what they do. The waters in the bee canyon wash are from 1) stormwater (released 2-3 times per year at most, from the water that's collected near 241 slopes - has nothing to do with landfill collected water) 2) a spring (hence, the name Tomato Springs), 3) probably some collection from TIC orchards on the other side of 241 undergoing daily watering, with groundwater collecting in the sub drains.

The water in the bee canyon wash has been tested thoroughly, and undergoing more REGULAR testing, and every test has been clean. No VOCs, no sulfide, no nothing pretty much in it. These waters are VERY heavily protected under state and federal laws because they end up in the bays and eventually ocean. That's another fact.

The waters in bee canyon wash are NOT any different than other constantly draining water channels that fill reservoirs around Orchard Hills (rattlesnake reservoir, other reservoirs in this area) and other parts of Irvine. The only difference is that the Bee canyon wash itself is HEAVILY HEAVILY protected under State laws due to the channel being under the jurisdiction of State Agency of Fish and Game, and hence the huge struggle to get it cleaned and maintained on a routine basis by the city. The city has been unable until now to have enough political push to get Fish & Game to let go of their protection. That push came from residents (me and others who helped a lot from Lambert Ranch) who engaged the right people at the top and got their attention. That hurdle is over at this point, permits are obtained for the 300k cleanup, and permits are obtained for ONGOING maintenance just like any other channel in Irvine and OC. It was a game of politics that's been handled now.

The odors completely emanate from Bee Canyon wash. In 2012-2015 there were no odors here per residents that lived here. That's because in 2012, TIC who built the bee canyon wash per US/county regulations, handed the channel to the city of Irvine. Prior to handing it over, the channel was cleaned and dredged bone dry (evidence on Google Earth historical images from 2012-2013 time frame). Hence, no smell whatsoever, until about 2016 when heavy vegetation began to grow in this area and never cleaned or dredged or maintained until now.

My goal after the post I read 2 months ago in this forum about the "health hazards" of Portola Springs, was to turn every rock, and pursue every lead, and look at every source of true health hazard for the sake my family. An uncleaned, unmaintained wash with purely organic decayed vegetation is all I found as a culprit and a hazard. And it certainly, unequivocally is the source of the smells in this area. While we had the smells near the wash actively one day, I drove along with city staff and stood on the actual land to the other side of 241 on the landfill side of the mountain, and there is absolutely zero odors. Then drove back with the city staff to the Portola Springs side of 241 near the wash, and the smell was present again. A street named Falcon Ridge is the best example. Half the street closest to the wash has odors, and the other half has no odors, while both halves are equidistance to the landfill. This is a reproducible result every single time we have strong odors (which is probably once every 2 weeks oct to dec, coinciding with dry air conditions).

The wash has a pond, marsh-like conditions at this point with stagnant water and organic decayed vegetation from years of growth in it. Pond-like conditions release odors due to anerobic deoxygenated conditions most commonly (per scientific studies) in the fall time, right around the time of the first cold weather after the summer heat. That's why the odors always start in Oct. The anerobic-byproduct odors are also released in a diurnal pattern in these pond-like conditions, starting at sunset and ending release about 2 hours after sunrise (again, all scientific studies and proven). They are most noticeable around 6-7 pm and 7 am due to wind inversion that occurs naturally around these two times, when wind directions changes 180 degrees and the result is a stagnant layer of air. That's why smog is worse around these times, and any odors are more apparent around these times. The odors also coincide with dry air conditions that dry the sediment from its water cover and expose the sediment to air, accelerating the release of the odors. Any pond-like condition, anywhere in Irvine or OC will have the same consequences of odors, starting in Oct/Nov and with the same release patterns. Heaven and earth and moon have to align for half hour of odors to occur, felt probably once every 2 weeks, and that?s been a source of struggle, given infrequency, it has been hard to track it and prove it to city and county to fix it. That?s also a hurdle that?s been addressed once we got engaged residents who all corroborated the same description, which allowed the city to act. Once we were a group, we were easily believed and the city engagement became very strong. The Mayor and City Manager met us here and apologized for giving the residents the ?run around? during the previous administration (as described by Irvine buyer and other neighbors who met with city similarly 2-3 years ago with no fix offered by the city) and vowed to permanently fix the issue.

The Columbus grove area may be affected by the stagnant water emanating smell within the huge water channel that's near it (Peters Canyon). I've certainly smelled it many times during my bike rides and it smells far far worse than anything Bee canyon wash does. There is a huge body of stagnant water and cattails there. In comparison, the bee canyon wash probably has 1/50th of the volume of stagnant water and sediment. Who knows. Maybe call the city and pursue it. Test the waters. Test the area. Become active participant in problem solving rather than complain and bash the neighborhood. That?d be the right thing to do. You may get a permanent fix in place like we did here.

Our Portola Springs is absolutely a joy to live in, with great neighborhoods, and absolutely stunning Southwest sunlit facing views on elevated lots (If you happen to be on one). I wouldn't trade it for ANY area of Irvine short of a few lots in Orchard Hills and a few lots in the newer areas of Portola Springs. I think it's an absolute steal of a place to live in when you factor in the cost savings as other experienced forum members here keep on repeating. And I've gotten Mayor and City Manager and TIC Vice President to notice the issue we have with non-maintenance of Bee Canyon Wash, and the fix is in place, contracts are signed, consultants are hired, and will be completed before end of Feb. I couldn?t ask for a better outcome from the city and Mayor Shea and City Manager John Russo who all met with us locally.

I encourage everyone on these forums to let go of "bashing" neighborhoods with unsubstantiated claims such as "Trash Gravy" and instead get out, think, knock on some doors, talk to neighbors, talk to your city officials, and get to the bottom of it and fix it. Be an active participant of your neighborhoods. There are many areas in OC that need fixing, whether from odors (OH with asphalt odors, other north Irvine areas with hyper-local odor issues, HB/FV/Long Beach with mysterious odors) or other issues (Traffic, congestion, smog, school issues, proposed developments, homeless, noise, fire hazard, whatever the issues at hand that may be), and bashing each area on these forums doesn't help anyone.

I won't reply to any posts because it tends to get out of hand. Best of luck to everyone in their respective neighborhoods. If you want to help, and if you have the time and energy, Please try to identify one issue a year that affects your area and fix it. You'll help yourself and a lot of other people. And you'll spend less time bashing certain areas with unsubstantiated claims. But hey, thank you for doing it to me, I channeled it towards a fix instead of becoming frustrated with the negativity of some posters here. I found the source of our issue and engaged the highest levels of city and county for a fix for our problem! Very happy with the outcome.

Good night folks.
 
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