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Re: Portola Springs odors
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2020, 07:57:57 PM »
Hmmm.... "leftover organic sediment" is quite the gentle name.

Although "Trash Gravy" is my current favorite, any other less sanitized names we can use to better describes the "LOS"?

My .02c
Landfill Pus
Trash Enema

People already knew before they bought.
When the information comes out. Please no fake tears   ;)

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Re: Portola Springs odors
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2020, 07:21:26 AM »
Mo Jay needs to get over to the Columbus Grove / Tustin Legacy area and get something done about the smell from the WM facility in the Construction Circle.

Whenever I go down Warner or up Jamboree... the smell is pretty strong.

That's one of the reasons we didn't buy in Columbus Grove back during the *real* slowdown.
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Re: Portola Springs odors
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2020, 09:44:10 AM »
One thing to note is that Mo Jay didn't really say the odor is from the landfill. Some people just automatically assume the odor must be from the landfill. I personally don't think so.

If there really is the odor, I think it could be the mixture of the creek, canyon, and some vegetation. Cleanups should be made regularly.

I don't believe in the trash gravy that causes odors especially from that Frank Bowerman Landfill. No, I don't live in PS just to make sure I'm not speaking from a biased view.

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Re: Portola Springs odors
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2020, 12:41:38 PM »
So... Who is Mo Jay?

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Re: Portola Springs odors
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2020, 05:54:59 PM »
The landfill emanates no odors to reach any part of Irvine, period. That's a fact. I won't argue over this with anyone on this forum, unless you've spent 10+ hours talking with the landfill subject experts and done your own testing and observation and truly sought scientific data on it. There is no point arguing honestly if all you're going to do is to spread falsehoods about what one "feels" is the issue here. The winds at the critical times of landfill operation blow mostly westward away from Portola Springs and toward other villages west of the landfill. Just like the asphalt plant odors blowing westward. And those areas are not Portola Springs, and also have no odors from the landfill. The actual landfill has no odors. I’ve been there many times. The odors are actually the worst, I’m told, in the trucks before emptying (driving up sand canyon) and during emptying before being compacted which happens quickly at the landfill. 

There is NO trash gravy. That's also another fact. Please raise your voice if you have proof to the contrary. If you do, the county probably will reach out to you to clarify your claim because this is not a joke to them and to the experts they have on staff that take pride in what they do. The waters in the bee canyon wash are from 1) stormwater (released 2-3 times per year at most, from the water that's collected near 241 slopes - has nothing to do with landfill collected water) 2) a spring (hence, the name Tomato Springs), 3) probably some collection from TIC orchards on the other side of 241 undergoing daily watering, with groundwater collecting in the sub drains.

The water in the bee canyon wash has been tested thoroughly, and undergoing more REGULAR testing, and every test has been clean. No VOCs, no sulfide, no nothing pretty much in it. These waters are VERY heavily protected under state and federal laws because they end up in the bays and eventually ocean. That's another fact.

The waters in bee canyon wash are NOT any different than other constantly draining water channels that fill reservoirs around Orchard Hills (rattlesnake reservoir, other reservoirs in this area) and other parts of Irvine. The only difference is that the Bee canyon wash itself is HEAVILY HEAVILY protected under State laws due to the channel being under the jurisdiction of State Agency of Fish and Game, and hence the huge struggle to get it cleaned and maintained on a routine basis by the city. The city has been unable until now to have enough political push to get Fish & Game to let go of their protection. That push came from residents (me and others who helped a lot from Lambert Ranch) who engaged the right people at the top and got their attention. That hurdle is over at this point, permits are obtained for the 300k cleanup, and permits are obtained for ONGOING maintenance just like any other channel in Irvine and OC. It was a game of politics that's been handled now.

The odors completely emanate from Bee Canyon wash. In 2012-2015 there were no odors here per residents that lived here. That's because in 2012, TIC who built the bee canyon wash per US/county regulations, handed the channel to the city of Irvine. Prior to handing it over, the channel was cleaned and dredged bone dry (evidence on Google Earth historical images from 2012-2013 time frame). Hence, no smell whatsoever, until about 2016 when heavy vegetation began to grow in this area and never cleaned or dredged or maintained until now.

My goal after the post I read 2 months ago in this forum about the "health hazards" of Portola Springs, was to turn every rock, and pursue every lead, and look at every source of true health hazard for the sake my family. An uncleaned, unmaintained wash with purely organic decayed vegetation is all I found as a culprit and a hazard. And it certainly, unequivocally is the source of the smells in this area. While we had the smells near the wash actively one day, I drove along with city staff and stood on the actual land to the other side of 241 on the landfill side of the mountain, and there is absolutely zero odors. Then drove back with the city staff to the Portola Springs side of 241 near the wash, and the smell was present again. A street named Falcon Ridge is the best example. Half the street closest to the wash has odors, and the other half has no odors, while both halves are equidistance to the landfill. This is a reproducible result every single time we have strong odors (which is probably once every 2 weeks oct to dec, coinciding with dry air conditions).

The wash has a pond, marsh-like conditions at this point with stagnant water and organic decayed vegetation from years of growth in it. Pond-like conditions release odors due to anerobic deoxygenated conditions most commonly (per scientific studies) in the fall time, right around the time of the first cold weather after the summer heat. That's why the odors always start in Oct. The anerobic-byproduct odors are also released in a diurnal pattern in these pond-like conditions, starting at sunset and ending release about 2 hours after sunrise (again, all scientific studies and proven). They are most noticeable around 6-7 pm and 7 am due to wind inversion that occurs naturally around these two times, when wind directions changes 180 degrees and the result is a stagnant layer of air. That's why smog is worse around these times, and any odors are more apparent around these times. The odors also coincide with dry air conditions that dry the sediment from its water cover and expose the sediment to air, accelerating the release of the odors. Any pond-like condition, anywhere in Irvine or OC will have the same consequences of odors, starting in Oct/Nov and with the same release patterns. Heaven and earth and moon have to align for half hour of odors to occur, felt probably once every 2 weeks, and that’s been a source of struggle, given infrequency, it has been hard to track it and prove it to city and county to fix it. That’s also a hurdle that’s been addressed once we got engaged residents who all corroborated the same description, which allowed the city to act. Once we were a group, we were easily believed and the city engagement became very strong. The Mayor and City Manager met us here and apologized for giving the residents the “run around” during the previous administration (as described by Irvine buyer and other neighbors who met with city similarly 2-3 years ago with no fix offered by the city) and vowed to permanently fix the issue.

The Columbus grove area may be affected by the stagnant water emanating smell within the huge water channel that's near it (Peters Canyon). I've certainly smelled it many times during my bike rides and it smells far far worse than anything Bee canyon wash does. There is a huge body of stagnant water and cattails there. In comparison, the bee canyon wash probably has 1/50th of the volume of stagnant water and sediment. Who knows. Maybe call the city and pursue it. Test the waters. Test the area. Become active participant in problem solving rather than complain and bash the neighborhood. That’d be the right thing to do. You may get a permanent fix in place like we did here.

Our Portola Springs is absolutely a joy to live in, with great neighborhoods, and absolutely stunning Southwest sunlit facing views on elevated lots (If you happen to be on one). I wouldn't trade it for ANY area of Irvine short of a few lots in Orchard Hills and a few lots in the newer areas of Portola Springs. I think it's an absolute steal of a place to live in when you factor in the cost savings as other experienced forum members here keep on repeating. And I've gotten Mayor and City Manager and TIC Vice President to notice the issue we have with non-maintenance of Bee Canyon Wash, and the fix is in place, contracts are signed, consultants are hired, and will be completed before end of Feb. I couldn’t ask for a better outcome from the city and Mayor Shea and City Manager John Russo who all met with us locally.

I encourage everyone on these forums to let go of "bashing" neighborhoods with unsubstantiated claims such as "Trash Gravy" and instead get out, think, knock on some doors, talk to neighbors, talk to your city officials, and get to the bottom of it and fix it. Be an active participant of your neighborhoods. There are many areas in OC that need fixing, whether from odors (OH with asphalt odors, other north Irvine areas with hyper-local odor issues, HB/FV/Long Beach with mysterious odors) or other issues (Traffic, congestion, smog, school issues, proposed developments, homeless, noise, fire hazard, whatever the issues at hand that may be), and bashing each area on these forums doesn't help anyone.

I won't reply to any posts because it tends to get out of hand. Best of luck to everyone in their respective neighborhoods. If you want to help, and if you have the time and energy, Please try to identify one issue a year that affects your area and fix it. You'll help yourself and a lot of other people. And you'll spend less time bashing certain areas with unsubstantiated claims. But hey, thank you for doing it to me, I channeled it towards a fix instead of becoming frustrated with the negativity of some posters here. I found the source of our issue and engaged the highest levels of city and county for a fix for our problem! Very happy with the outcome.

Good night folks.
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Re: Portola Springs odors
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2020, 10:52:14 AM »
So mountaineer is actually saying the same thing I'm saying.

I don't believe in the Trash Gravy that causes smell.

I believe it was a political fake news made from someone to get the most out it for their selfish benefits.

I don't think any area in Irvine has odors because of the landfill or anything like that.

The odor is from the creek, canyon, or vegetation.



So is mountaineer Mo Jay?   Is Mo Jay YF?

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Re: Portola Springs odors
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2020, 01:46:54 PM »
It just goes to show you talking shit gets things done.  Mountaineer said all the shit talk made him get off his ass and do something.
Who should thank the creator of "trash gravy"?...certainly the PS owners.

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Re: Portola Springs odors
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2020, 01:57:53 PM »
It just goes to show you talking shit gets things done.  Mountaineer said all the shit talk made him get off his ass and do something.
Who should thank the creator of "trash gravy"?...certainly the PS owners.

Talking trash and spreading fake news are two different things. But sure, I get what you're saying.

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Re: Portola Springs odors
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2020, 02:43:26 PM »
I don't believe in the Trash Gravy that causes smell.
[...]
I don't think any area in Irvine has odors because of the landfill or anything like that.

Drive down Warner towards the District Costco, or up Jamboree just south of Warner... if that's not the smell of Trash Gravy, I don't know what is.
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Re: Portola Springs odors
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2020, 03:14:30 PM »
I don't believe in the Trash Gravy that causes smell.
[...]
I don't think any area in Irvine has odors because of the landfill or anything like that.

Drive down Warner towards the District Costco, or up Jamboree just south of Warner... if that's not the smell of Trash Gravy, I don't know what is.

We talked about this before in another thread. If you don't remember, it's ok. I will write again.

While you think it's the trash gravy, I think the odor is coming from San Diego Creek for that area you're referring to. Those foul smells are usually from creeks, canyons, and vegetations. One easy way to know the "landfill smell" or the trash smell is you can just try to smell one from your own trash bins at home. That's the smell of trash. Now is that the same smell as what you smell in those areas you're traveling at?


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Re: Portola Springs odors
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2020, 03:52:34 PM »
Ever go to the recycling center, next to the WM processing facilities? There is no creek there, but the odor is unmistaken strong coming from the vents of the facility.

I guess people live in and around the district area homes not smelling it.

Kinda ironic.

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Re: Portola Springs odors
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2020, 04:06:47 PM »
Ever go to the recycling center, next to the WM processing facilities? There is no creek there, but the odor is unmistaken strong coming from the vents of the facility.

I guess people live in and around the district area homes not smelling it.

Kinda ironic.

Sure, but are you talking about the same smell IHO is referring to?

I don't live there either so I can't speak for people who reside there. 

 

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