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Re: Land SE of PS/Altair (Modified: Environmental Concerns Broadly)
« Reply #90 on: December 06, 2019, 09:44:55 AM »
This, built after 2010 (which is what we wanted), didn't exist in any other village, except for OH, and for this, OH wanted at least 1.4 to 1.6 times the price.

So PS was cheaper than OH for the type of home you wanted, got it!

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Re: Land SE of PS/Altair (Modified: Environmental Concerns Broadly)
« Reply #91 on: December 06, 2019, 09:46:07 AM »
I’m trying to be fair. But people don’t want to talk about CV. One side conversation.

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Re: Land SE of PS/Altair (Modified: Environmental Concerns Broadly)
« Reply #92 on: December 06, 2019, 09:48:50 AM »
This, built after 2010 (which is what we wanted), didn't exist in any other village, except for OH, and for this, OH wanted at least 1.4 to 1.6 times the price.

So PS was cheaper than OH for the type of home you wanted, got it!

Again, your attitude.

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Re: Land SE of PS/Altair (Modified: Environmental Concerns Broadly)
« Reply #93 on: December 06, 2019, 09:52:47 AM »
Look there's is not wrong with buying a home 1.4 to 1.6 times cheaper, but you're going on about bias on pricing...yet you yourself chose to buy a cheaper home which is exactly what some people are alluding to.

You also stated my comment triggered you so I'm here to defend myself, you start a brand new thread on negativity comments on PS and I would probably never have commented, I know numerous people that live in PS, I have nothing against it, but like I said if you draw me into a thread I'll keep on typing. 

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Re: Land SE of PS/Altair (Modified: Environmental Concerns Broadly)
« Reply #94 on: December 06, 2019, 09:59:40 AM »
My "attitude" only started after you stated my post below got to you. I had 0 attitude below, just a non bias statement to a question. 

Are there any environmental concerns in Portola Springs other than an FBI shooting range to the south?

The only environmental concern is the Toll Road depending on how close the property is to it.

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Re: Land SE of PS/Altair (Modified: Environmental Concerns Broadly)
« Reply #95 on: December 06, 2019, 10:07:40 AM »
It's because PS is shoved into the extremities of Irvine & CV is closer to stuff.

That's exactly my point.  People value things differently and it appears more people DO value proximity/central location over a bigger home.  For those that value a large home at a value price, PS works. 

But part of the cost of living in PS is hidden in higher MR & slightly higher HOAs (except for Mountaineer's subdivision).  Your average $400/sq ft PS home should really be valued between $380-390 after factoring all the added expenses that don't get added to your house price. 

And just to be clear...I like PS a lot.  We considered buying a home in PS, but decided some of the other villages are a better fit for us.

https://www.redfin.com/city/9361/CA/Irvine/filter/min-beds=3,max-beds=3,min-sqft=2k-sqft,max-sqft=2.25k-sqft,min-year-built=2014,max-year-built=2016,hoa=300,include=sold-1yr

Let's try and look at this cut of sales:

-3 bedroom homes, built b/w 2014 and 2016, sold within the past year.  i also tried to select detached properties by filtering out any homes with HOA's > $300/month.

- It's a small sample size, but here are the results of those sales for PS, CV and OH:

- PS:  5 sales @ $359/sq ft (average days on market = 105)
- CV:  15 sales @ $472/sq ft (average days = 193)
- OH:  2 sales @ $594/sq ft (average days = 211)
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Re: Land SE of PS/Altair (Modified: Environmental Concerns Broadly)
« Reply #96 on: December 06, 2019, 10:11:36 AM »
Yeah, Trump also says he has no ill-will or attitude toward half the things he riles people up on. That doesn't absolve you of your clear bias. People hide in these forums and think they can type away whatever they want and remain uncontested. As it clearly has been the case, you've been contested not by me, but by others, and you just like to drown out being contested by staying "True to facts" about 241's health hazards.

You are in the fringes and extremes of the everyday life, hiding in these forums as your defense. If you wanted to have this conversation out in the open in person, you'd see how easily you'd be drowned out by others' responses. The reality is when in person, you'd out-loud tell someone 241 is the "main" health hazard of living in PS, people would burst out laughing and tell you to look at where you live, LA, OC, filled with highways and tell you to go live in Montana. That's the reality of the response you'd get. But here, you keep typing away one defense after another.

And somebody decided to not give you your uncontested forum anymore on this one topic.

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Re: Land SE of PS/Altair (Modified: Environmental Concerns Broadly)
« Reply #97 on: December 06, 2019, 10:13:54 AM »
It's because PS is shoved into the extremities of Irvine & CV is closer to stuff.

That's exactly my point.  People value things differently and it appears more people DO value proximity/central location over a bigger home.  For those that value a large home at a value price, PS works. 

But part of the cost of living in PS is hidden in higher MR & slightly higher HOAs (except for Mountaineer's subdivision).  Your average $400/sq ft PS home should really be valued between $380-390 after factoring all the added expenses that don't get added to your house price. 

And just to be clear...I like PS a lot.  We considered buying a home in PS, but decided some of the other villages are a better fit for us.

https://www.redfin.com/city/9361/CA/Irvine/filter/min-beds=3,max-beds=3,min-sqft=2k-sqft,max-sqft=2.25k-sqft,min-year-built=2014,max-year-built=2016,hoa=300,include=sold-1yr

Let's try and look at this cut of sales:

-3 bedroom homes, built b/w 2014 and 2016, sold within the past year.  i also tried to select detached properties by filtering out any homes with HOA's > $300/month.

- It's a small sample size, but here are the results of those sales for PS, CV and OH:

- PS:  5 sales @ $359/sq ft (average days on market = 105)
- CV:  15 sales @ $472/sq ft (average days = 193)
- OH:  2 sales @ $594/sq ft (average days = 211)

Thanks. I did all this search and posted on prior pages. It clearly is obvious CV and OH price per sqft is higher than PS. But PS falls in the middle of the pack compared to GP to PP to Woodbury (slightly older), etc. No need to re-post the data I've posted. This is not a battle between CV sales and PS sales. There is no argument there. EW and SG sell better than CV even per my data.

And by the way, those search criteria are highly manicured and restrictive. Village performance is not based on such strict data collection. The search I did is much less restricted and lets the data speak for itself. And that's the other issue, is that people like to "slice" things however they want. This is clearly at play when people compare "TWO" singular sales, one from xyz village to one from abc village and start to make assumptions about the whole performance, ending the post with "well there must be a reason why someone paid this much for xyz house over abc house".

Let the data speak for itself and leave the restrictions out. Look at Condos on their own, sales in last 6 months, etc. Look at SFR on their own. I did that search. I clearly note and concede the trends, whatever they are, whether they're in favor of PS or not, whether they're in favor of Woodbury or not.

This is a not a village war thread. This is about the biases you all seem to repeat over and over again.

I honestly have nothing else to say. You win!

« Last Edit: December 06, 2019, 10:27:13 AM by mountaineer »

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Re: Land SE of PS/Altair (Modified: Environmental Concerns Broadly)
« Reply #98 on: December 06, 2019, 10:18:09 AM »
The reality is when in person, you'd out-loud tell someone 241 is the "main" health hazard of living in PS, people would burst out laughing and tell you to look at where you live, LA, OC, filled with highways and tell you to go live in Montana.

What's the main health hazard in PS if not the Toll Road since I'm being laughed at, you must have another opinion?  If all else equal would you pick the house closer to the Toll Road or further away?

I'm still waiting for your list of cons of PS?  You've addressed a bunch of my posts, but haven't my question yet. 

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Re: Land SE of PS/Altair (Modified: Environmental Concerns Broadly)
« Reply #99 on: December 06, 2019, 10:20:24 AM »
The reality is when in person, you'd out-loud tell someone 241 is the "main" health hazard of living in PS, people would burst out laughing and tell you to look at where you live, LA, OC, filled with highways and tell you to go live in Montana.

What's the main health hazard in PS if not the Toll Road since I'm being laughed at, you must have another opinion?  If all else equal would you pick the house closer to the Toll Road or further away?

I'm still waiting for your list of cons of PS?  You've addressed a bunch of my posts, but haven't my question yet.

Read all of my previous posts. Undesirable factors for PS are well documented by me. Done with replying to you. There is not a single point to prolong this. You've been laughed at by multiple people. Because you simply seem to forget the highway hazards of 405 and 5 bordering so many other villages. It's simple. It's purposefully turning a blind eye, and then defending yourself by "sticking with facts" and asking unnecessarily dump questions about "do I want to be closer to toll road or farther away". Let me think! I'll get back to you on that.

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Re: Land SE of PS/Altair (Modified: Environmental Concerns Broadly)
« Reply #100 on: December 06, 2019, 10:26:41 AM »
Is Northpark more expensive then PS?

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Re: Land SE of PS/Altair (Modified: Environmental Concerns Broadly)
« Reply #101 on: December 06, 2019, 10:28:14 AM »
Is Northpark more expensive then PS?

Go do a search and look at $/sqft. I am not here to analyze the trends over and over again. It was posted on my prior posts, the performance of all villages on SALES in the last 6 months. You can do your own search. But comparing two singular sales against each other absolutely means nothing. Lazy analysis is worse than no analysis. And then you have the qualitative factors that USCTrojanCPA pointed out, that will not be present on any sales data. Proximity to a shopping center walking distance is one that my in-laws will not live without. Community make-up, parks, hill vs no hill, lot views, all of that makes or breaks it for each buyer.

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Re: Land SE of PS/Altair (Modified: Environmental Concerns Broadly)
« Reply #102 on: December 06, 2019, 10:31:43 AM »
Read all of my previous posts. Undesirable factors for PS are well documented by me. Done with replying to you. There is not a single point to prolong this. You've been laughed at by multiple people. Because you simply seem to forget the highway hazards of 405 and 5 bordering so many other villages. It's simple. It's purposefully turning a blind eye, and then defending yourself by "sticking with facts" and asking unnecessarily dump questions about "do I want to be closer to toll road or farther away". Let me think! I'll get back to you on that.

I got the first person to ignore me on TI.   >:D

I'm still sticking by the fact that the Toll Road is probably the worse environmental concern that I know of. 

And I never disagreed with this guy/girl that living near the 5 or 405 was better, where did I say that.  In fact I think it's way worse and would never choose to live close to either. 

Living by the 5 and 405 ain’t no joke.
I don't think anyone can dispute that, but mountaineer went on a rant when I said living by the toll road is bad for you. 

I would say all freeways are an environmental concern, the noise that would come with it is bad enough for me to avoid any homes near any freeways or major streets.  This would be for all Irvine homes. 

As for living near a toll road/fwy/major street, I stand by that it's a health hazard, doesn't matter which Irvine village you live in, go back to my original post, I wrote it depends on how close your home is to the toll.  My quick google search gave me the below.  Is the 5 or 405 worse, yes, but the toll road isn't good for you either. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/well/family/living-near-a-major-highway-tied-to-developmental-delays-in-children.html
https://www.lung.org/our-initiatives/healthy-air/outdoor/air-pollution/highways.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2018/05/29/how-the-air-quality-where-you-live-might-be-affecting-your-health/#1bc90d970175

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Re: Land SE of PS/Altair (Modified: Environmental Concerns Broadly)
« Reply #103 on: December 06, 2019, 10:32:53 AM »
I thought since you had all the knowledge done already you would have a quick answer.  I don't really care about this topic.  Most of the time, I just write shit to get reactions.

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Re: Land SE of PS/Altair (Modified: Environmental Concerns Broadly)
« Reply #104 on: December 06, 2019, 10:34:10 AM »
Read all of my previous posts. Undesirable factors for PS are well documented by me. Done with replying to you. There is not a single point to prolong this. You've been laughed at by multiple people. Because you simply seem to forget the highway hazards of 405 and 5 bordering so many other villages. It's simple. It's purposefully turning a blind eye, and then defending yourself by "sticking with facts" and asking unnecessarily dump questions about "do I want to be closer to toll road or farther away". Let me think! I'll get back to you on that.

I got the first person to ignore me on TI.   >:D

I'm still sticking by the fact that the Toll Road is probably the worse environmental concern that I know of. 

And I never disagreed with this guy/girl that living near the 5 or 405 was better, where did I say that.  In fact I think it's way worse and would never choose to live close to either. 

Living by the 5 and 405 ain’t no joke.
I don't think anyone can dispute that, but mountaineer went on a rant when I said living by the toll road is bad for you. 

I would say all freeways are an environmental concern, the noise that would come with it is bad enough for me to avoid any homes near any freeways or major streets.  This would be for all Irvine homes. 

As for living near a toll road/fwy/major street, I stand by that it's a health hazard, doesn't matter which Irvine village you live in, go back to my original post, I wrote it depends on how close your home is to the toll.  My quick google search gave me the below.  Is the 5 or 405 worse, yes, but the toll road isn't good for you either. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/well/family/living-near-a-major-highway-tied-to-developmental-delays-in-children.html
https://www.lung.org/our-initiatives/healthy-air/outdoor/air-pollution/highways.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2018/05/29/how-the-air-quality-where-you-live-might-be-affecting-your-health/#1bc90d970175

great, got it! thanks for your clarifications.

 

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