Advice on current Irvine/Tustin Resale market (<$800k) First time buyer

JohnT

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We've been lurking on here for a while and recently have been looking for a first home. We first started at resale townhomes, didn't like the value of the ones we could afford. Moved on to new townhomes and really like some of the options in Irvine/Tustin, but the high HOA/taxes make what might seem like a $650k house feel like you're making payments on a much more expensive unit.

Our broker now wants us to look at single family residences since the rates are far better than townhomes even if only putting 10% down, which on a 750k+ SF I doubt we could make it to 20% to remove the PMI. If the rates he is quoting us are accurate we could afford something as high as 775k maybe a bit more, about the same as a new 2 BR tonwhouse when factoring the difference in rates. We qualify for more than this, but really want a cushion to save for upgrades or a second child down the road.

We are looking in Irvine and also Tustin Ranch or East/North Tustin.

What is you opinion at this end of the single family market? We went to see a few homes and were surprised that we coud get a 1500-1900 sqft detached home for a similar price per month as a brand new condo (630-650k).

These homes were built before 1987, some as old as 1976. But there are a few that are relatively upgraded inside. We'd obviously need to make upgrades over time, especially since we're comparing to a new modern townhouse at somewhere like Novel Park. But we could get a 3 bedroom which would really ease any fears of running out of room in case of a second child.

Any advice on what to be looking for, or looking out for with these older single famly resales? Any advice on how to handle the market, is it up/down, slow/hot, etc. We have only just started looking at single family this weekend. We spent months looking at townhouses assuming there was no way we could get a decent sized single family.
 
SFRs will always appreciate/hold value better than attached or detached condos.  Focus on the location of the home and the layout.  Some of the older homes have bad floor plans that make the home feel small and dark.  Obviously it goes without saying that you should get a thorough inspection of any home you purchase.  Some of the older SFRs are good relative values considering they have low to no HOA and no Mello Roos which means your doors will go further.  Also take a look at Tustin Ranch homes.
 
To be honest we have no idea what type of floor plan or what makes a house desirable.

Do you know of any examples of houses you?ve seen sold that are what you?d consider good/bad layouts?

Would even much older homes appreciate better than a new condo? Let?s say a SFR built in 1920, but it has been upgraded inside vs a condo built in 2017-2019.

We?re completely new to looking at SFR so basically starting our knowledge base from scratch.
 
If your real estate salesperson assistant cannot answer all of these questions for you, I suggest you let them go.  USCTCPA and IR2 (Scott Gunther) are both very helpful and knowledgeable, and would be good replacements.
 
I think older homes have too many walls.  A lot of flippers and re modelers knock down walls when they buy the resale houses.
 
freedomcm said:
If your real estate salesperson assistant cannot answer all of these questions for you, I suggest you let them go.  USCTCPA and IR2 (Scott Gunther) are both very helpful and knowledgeable, and would be good replacements.

The person we are working with is knowledgeable about Irvine, we just have not actually signed on to him as we are discussing commission, etc. for now we don?t want to ask for too much service as we may not go with them in the end as we have a friend also who is an Irvine agent.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
If I were looking in your price range for a 2br SFR in Irvine, I would get something like this:
https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/35-Del-Perlatto-92614/home/4659141

Detached single story that needs updates but those vaulted ceilings are great.

Thanks. I just did a quick search for something at the same price to show you. Comparing these two which one offers better value now and possibly appreciation.

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/43-Fabriano-92620/home/4781996?utm_source=ios_share&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=copy_link&utm_nooverride=1&utm_content=link
 
JohnT said:
The person we are working with is knowledgeable about Irvine, we just have not actually signed on to him as we are discussing commission, etc. for now we don?t want to ask for too much service as we may not go with them in the end as we have a friend also who is an Irvine agent.

If you haven't decided give USCTrojanCPA a chance, at least talk to him, he gives a great rebate, a lot lower than what a normal realtor would charge and does a lot of business in Irvine and the surrounding areas. 
 
JohnT said:
irvinehomeowner said:
If I were looking in your price range for a 2br SFR in Irvine, I would get something like this:
https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/35-Del-Perlatto-92614/home/4659141

Detached single story that needs updates but those vaulted ceilings are great.

Thanks. I just did a quick search for something at the same price to show you. Comparing these two which one offers better value now and possibly appreciation.

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/43-Fabriano-92620/home/4781996?utm_source=ios_share&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=copy_link&utm_nooverride=1&utm_content=link

I also saw that one but I'm not a fan of alley garage homes and it's more of a sideyard than a backyard. The one I linked to in Westpark has a 4000sft lot and is newer vs the Northwood one.

This one has a very large lot and is on a cul-de-sac but it backs the railroad and the power lines:
https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/4902-Gainsport-Cir-92604/home/4667301

But if you don't mind older and prefer closer to the 5 than the 405, I like this one:
https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/14132-Picasso-Ct-92606/home/4672639

Needs lots of updates, but corner location, huge lot, large driveway (for hoops) and good potential.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
JohnT said:
irvinehomeowner said:
If I were looking in your price range for a 2br SFR in Irvine, I would get something like this:
https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/35-Del-Perlatto-92614/home/4659141

Detached single story that needs updates but those vaulted ceilings are great.

Thanks. I just did a quick search for something at the same price to show you. Comparing these two which one offers better value now and possibly appreciation.

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/43-Fabriano-92620/home/4781996?utm_source=ios_share&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=copy_link&utm_nooverride=1&utm_content=link

I also saw that one but I'm not a fan of alley garage homes and it's more of a sideyard than a backyard. The one I linked to in Westpark has a 4000sft lot and is newer vs the Northwood one.

This one has a very large lot and is on a cul-de-sac but it backs the railroad and the power lines:
https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/4902-Gainsport-Cir-92604/home/4667301

But if you don't mind older and prefer closer to the 5 than the 405, I like this one:
https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/14132-Picasso-Ct-92606/home/4672639

Needs lots of updates, but corner location, huge lot, large driveway (for hoops) and good potential.

wow, $918 per year in property tax on that last property! The power of Prop 13...
 
Tl2019 said:
Here?s an example of a Single Family Residence that has no HOA and very little Mello Roos tax.  The total monthly payment could be very similar to a lower priced new townhouse that has a high HOA and Mello Roos tax.
https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/24-Halifax-Pl-92602/home/4792929

My only issue with this one is it's close to the 261. It has a smallish lot but at least it has a proper driveway.

However TI2019 is correct that the net payment will be similar to a brand new condo/townhome with MR/HOA.
 
Also, if you can't do the 20%, you might be able to do a 10/10/80 or 15/5/80 to remove PMI, but you should ask your loan broker about those options.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Also, if you can't do the 20%, you might be able to do a 10/10/80 or 15/5/80 to remove PMI, but you should ask your loan broker about those options.

We have, but are being conservative and assuming a straight 10% down scenario with PMI when we look at pricing. We want to be on the high end going in with estimations so we arent surprised by too much. If we can do a 10/10/80 and get a similar rate we may want to go that way.
 
Another thing I forgot to mention to OP is if you are even considering having a second child, you may want to skip the 2 bedroom properties altogether and go for a 3 bedroom because you?ll eventually want/need that with two kids.  The cost of selling a 2br property (commissions, moving expenses) and then buying a 3br later on (closing costs, hitting the reset button on Your property tax assessment) would far exceed what you?re hoping to save right now by going low on your budget.  Also, with interest rates being low and  with a 30 year mortgage, the additional amount you are hesitant to spend may not be as difficult of a burden to you once you calculate the actual monthly payment (I.e., financing an additional $35,000 over 30 years at a 3.8% interest rate may not add much more to your monthly payment).  Also keep in mind selling a $700k 2br townhouse could cost you a 5% commission which would be $35,000.

irvinehomeowner said:
Tl2019 said:
Here?s an example of a Single Family Residence that has no HOA and very little Mello Roos tax.  The total monthly payment could be very similar to a lower priced new townhouse that has a high HOA and Mello Roos tax.
https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/24-Halifax-Pl-92602/home/4792929

My only issue with this one is it's close to the 261. It has a smallish lot but at least it has a proper driveway.

However TI2019 is correct that the net payment will be similar to a brand new condo/townhome with MR/HOA.
 
This is exactly out thinking in moving up to a single family. Condos we were only looking at 2 BR. We initially didn?t think we?d be able to afford a single family. That was before we started to seriously talk with our broker and learned that rates are significantly better on a single family vs condo.

Now we are looking at 3BR/2Bath type houses around 750-800k. If we could swing the 10/10/80 then maybe move up in price a bit if the rate was good.

We don?t want to push it too much since we know we?d want to put some money into the house early on. Kitchen counters, laminate floors, new toilets, appliances, etc. Then the bigger random expense when the AC or water heater dies.


Tl2019 said:
Another thing I forgot to mention to OP is if you are even considering having a second child, you may want to skip the 2 bedroom properties altogether and go for a 3 bedroom because you?ll eventually want/need that with two kids.  The cost of selling a 2br property (commissions, moving expenses) and then buying a 3br later on (closing costs, hitting the reset button on Your property tax assessment) would far exceed what you?re hoping to save right now by going low on your budget.  Also, with interest rates being low and  with a 30 year mortgage, the additional amount you are hesitant to spend may not be as difficult of a burden to you once you calculate the actual monthly payment (I.e., financing an additional $35,000 over 30 years at a 3.8% interest rate may not add much more to your monthly payment).  Also keep in mind selling a $700k 2br townhouse could cost you a 5% commission which would be $35,000.

irvinehomeowner said:
Tl2019 said:
Here?s an example of a Single Family Residence that has no HOA and very little Mello Roos tax.  The total monthly payment could be very similar to a lower priced new townhouse that has a high HOA and Mello Roos tax.
https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/24-Halifax-Pl-92602/home/4792929

My only issue with this one is it's close to the 261. It has a smallish lot but at least it has a proper driveway.

However TI2019 is correct that the net payment will be similar to a brand new condo/townhome with MR/HOA.
 
What is your guys? opinion on Tustin, specifically near Tustin Ranch or Old Town. We?ve seen a few houses there that fit our budget and my parents like the old town area. I know nothing about that area except they are building those new townhomes right against the 5 that we didn?t like.

Would you put up the extra money to get a slightly smaller, but newer construction house in Irvine?
 
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