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Re: Tesla Solar Panels Price Cut
« Reply #330 on: September 22, 2019, 11:17:15 PM »
My 9,900 array generates 15,000 kwh a year.

You should find out the size of your array, but I can kind of guess.
If you are generating 6,000 kwh, your array is probably around 3,960 kwh.
12 panasonic 330 watt panels = 3,960 array

Find out your array size, not what you will generate.  Then we can compare.

example: I have 30 panels at 330 = 9,900. Using enphase microinverters

If you want to compare electricity generation, then mine is 26,235/15,000 = $1.75 to your $2.30.


I'm sure the solar companies charge more for only 12 vs. 30 panels.  Funny thing is my price ain't the cheapest. 
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Re: Tesla Solar Panels Price Cut
« Reply #331 on: September 22, 2019, 11:51:14 PM »
You should just use energysage.com
They'll get 10 solar companies quoting you and you don't even have to give them your phone number.

Then you can also send them a message where you are telling them you need a new roof, and they'll quote that way as well.
Then you can apply for their rebates.


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Re: Tesla Solar Panels Price Cut
« Reply #332 on: September 23, 2019, 09:10:56 AM »
My 9900kwh system was $26,235 ($2.65/watt)
My 9900kwh system will be $18,365 after the tax incentive. 30% is about a $7,870 tax credit.  ($1.85/watt)

I wonder if the $2.30 USC is getting is before or after tax incentive.
If it's before, then akkord, cares, and I got screwed pretty badly, so I think it's prob. after because I'd like to think we shopped around pretty well.

My pre-tax cost is $14,235 for 12 Panasonic panels that will generate 6,143kWh per year of electricity so my after tax cost is $1.62/KW.  In the past year I used about 5,500kWh but I'll be putting in a spa next year so figured I'll get a little more than what I need now.

I wouldn't say that paying $2.65/KW is getting royally screwed.  One of my clients went with Sunlux having researched a half dozen companies and he recommended that get a quote from them. 

Your cost is actually $3.59/kw.  People compare prices based on array size, not generation amount.  $3.59/kw is actually VERY high.  I hope this includes the roof repairs.

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Re: Tesla Solar Panels Price Cut
« Reply #333 on: September 23, 2019, 12:06:02 PM »
@qwerty:

USCT is going solar.

It’s prime time. :)

I’ll be reaching out to USC to offer $14k to not do solar :-)

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Re: Tesla Solar Panels Price Cut
« Reply #334 on: September 23, 2019, 12:40:51 PM »
@qwerty:

USCT is going solar.

It’s prime time. :)

I’ll be reaching out to USC to offer $14k to not do solar :-)

i'm thinking about doing solar, can i have $14k?

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Re: Tesla Solar Panels Price Cut
« Reply #335 on: September 23, 2019, 02:41:19 PM »
@qwerty:

USCT is going solar.

It’s prime time. :)

I’ll be reaching out to USC to offer $14k to not do solar :-)

I gotta do solar so I can get a 30% tax rebate on my roof repairs.  Akkord is gonna send me his contact.
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Re: Tesla Solar Panels Price Cut
« Reply #336 on: September 24, 2019, 02:29:23 PM »
My first edison bill came today.  -$52.12. 
I have to pay $12.05 for edisons maintenance and taxes.

I have to correct a mistake I made earlier.  I thought I would not receive a check for the extra electricity I generated at the end of one year (what edison calls "relevant period")  The reality after my relevant period is, if I have -$100.00 electrical generation, then I can get a check from edison or apply it to the new years bills.

So extra electricity generated is paid for by edison.


However, with this revelation, I am gonna start shutting off my AC and opening the windows again.

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Re: Tesla Solar Panels Price Cut
« Reply #337 on: September 24, 2019, 02:49:35 PM »
My first edison bill came today.  -$52.12. 
I have to pay $12.05 for edisons maintenance and taxes.

I have to correct a mistake I made earlier.  I thought I would not receive a check for the extra electricity I generated at the end of one year (what edison calls "relevant period")  The reality after my relevant period is, if I have -$100.00 electrical generation, then I can get a check from edison or apply it to the new years bills.

So extra electricity generated is paid for by edison.


However, with this revelation, I am gonna start shutting off my AC and opening the windows again.

You don't get a choice, the will cash it out.  Last year I had a net charge after adding the EV.  Prior to that we had net generation credit.  If recall correctly the payout was pennies on the dollar our $250ish credit was cashed out for something like $58. For net metering, they calculate the credit it at consumer rate but for payout they buy it at adjusted wholesale producer market (non emergency).

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Re: Tesla Solar Panels Price Cut
« Reply #338 on: September 24, 2019, 02:53:19 PM »
Well that's good to know....so if I had $1,000 at the end of the year, they would only give me like $150...
It's back to running the AC 24/7
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Re: Tesla Solar Panels Price Cut
« Reply #339 on: September 24, 2019, 03:07:31 PM »
Well that's good to know....so if I had $1,000 at the end of the year, they would only give me like $150...
It's back to running the AC 24/7




But we can run a what if example:
Whatif I left my house for 12 months and didn't use any electricity at all?
Does this mean I will get a huge edison credit @ the true up bill?

So I generate 15,000 KwH of electricity @ and average cost of 0.25/kwh.
15,000 X 0.25 = $3,750/year
If I get $3750/year but they only pay me $1,000...perhaps solar farming is viable.
Would need batteries to up the money during the 4-9 period.

If you generate a net balance of 15,000 KwH and the end of your relevant period was September 2019, you would be paid $570.60.  Or $0.03804 per KwH.

The math by month is available on the SCE Net Surplus Compensation Rate website https://www.sce.com/regulatory/tariff-books/rates-pricing-choices/net-surplus-compensation

That little law change a couple years back where they got to add the minimum monthly charge (That $12 bill you got) also installed this ankle grabbing fuckery.

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Re: Tesla Solar Panels Price Cut
« Reply #340 on: September 24, 2019, 03:09:35 PM »
yeah I see the chart.  it's like 3 to 4 cents per kwh instead of 25 cents.

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Re: Tesla Solar Panels Price Cut
« Reply #341 on: September 24, 2019, 03:16:12 PM »
yeah I see the chart.  it's like 3 to 4 cents per kwh instead of 25 cents.

The 25 may be the prior shaft out rate before the current payout plan post minimum charges which is literally pennies per KwH.  I recall the 25 cents because it upset me back then, then the new law and I didn't realize the shaft out get that bad.  But hey, I use it all and then some now.

At less than 4 cents a KwH, you have absolutely no incentive to conserve (other than saving the planet).

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Re: Tesla Solar Panels Price Cut
« Reply #342 on: September 24, 2019, 04:19:33 PM »
yeah I see the chart.  it's like 3 to 4 cents per kwh instead of 25 cents.

The 25 may be the prior shaft out rate before the current payout plan post minimum charges which is literally pennies per KwH.  I recall the 25 cents because it upset me back then, then the new law and I didn't realize the shaft out get that bad.  But hey, I use it all and then some now.

At less than 4 cents a KwH, you have absolutely no incentive to conserve (other than saving the planet).

That means not prime time?

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Re: Tesla Solar Panels Price Cut
« Reply #343 on: September 24, 2019, 05:23:17 PM »
yeah I see the chart.  it's like 3 to 4 cents per kwh instead of 25 cents.

The 25 may be the prior shaft out rate before the current payout plan post minimum charges which is literally pennies per KwH.  I recall the 25 cents because it upset me back then, then the new law and I didn't realize the shaft out get that bad.  But hey, I use it all and then some now.

At less than 4 cents a KwH, you have absolutely no incentive to conserve (other than saving the planet).

That means not prime time?

It's so past prime time it means the CA legislature gave SCE, PGE and companies like Tesla (via SolarCity) big fat gravy train of taxpayer money.  (You can just look back 9 years to see my math on what I pay per kwh going forward and how much California tax and rate payers are on the hook for contributing).

As for the 25 cents on the dollar math it works out for how the bait and switch math plays  out on your bill.  To understand the gravy train we need to look at Zub's original scenario. 

Zub's bill arrived with a "credit" of $52.12.   It is calculated based on what Zub would have had to pay retail via his SCE plan for the energy.  At 19 cents per KwH for Tier 1 baseline (previously 13 cents?), Zub generated about 275 KwH.  The bill credit shows $52.12, but if they went to cash out in September 2019, they would have received 275 * $0.03804 = $10.46 for it.  (or about 20-25 cents per dollar of 'credit')

You can see this math in action on 2011 bill via SCE Understanding you NEM billing.  https://www1.sce.com/wps/wcm/connect/b94f53d4-81f5-4e7f-ad0d-1c60c2a1fa64/NEM_FactSheet.pdf?MOD=AJPERES



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Re: Tesla Solar Panels Price Cut
« Reply #344 on: September 27, 2019, 09:23:34 PM »
For the people who got solar, how much did you have to pay your HOA to have them review the plans?  Mine wants $275 which seems a bit ridiculous since there's really no community guideline that they need to verify against (not like Landscape).

 

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