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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #750 on: August 15, 2019, 10:20:16 PM »
Only air for extremists? The center of the party is being strangled by Smith.

Centrist's Dead-End: Hickenlooper Quits White House Bid

He warned that Democrats would lose if they embraced socialism, and he was booed when he raised that alarm at the California Democratic Convention. Asked about it again by NBC’s Savannah Guthrie, Hickenlooper embraced a centrism that, by comparison to his fellow candidates, made him a radical on the Detroit debate stage.

Defending capitalism and condemning socialism certainly made Hickenlooper look out of place.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/08/15/centrists_dead-end_hickenlooper_quits_white_house_bid__141023.amp.html

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #751 on: August 16, 2019, 05:57:21 AM »

Please enlighten me. Other than the nonsense "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", what is the conservative / market-based solution to Climate change? Homelessness? Job loss caused by AI/Automation ?


If pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is now considered "nonsense," the human race is doomed.

If our solution to combat climate change, technological job displacement, and homelessness is "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" then you are absolutely right - the human race is doomed.
Climate change, homelessness, and technological job displacement has been with us since the dawn of humankind. Humanity has dealt with these issues over the ages through ingenuity and tenacity. So, no, I do not think climate change, homelessness, and technological advancement will be the end of the human race.

Correct.  The issues facing us right now will seem quaint in 100 years.

not if the world ends in [newly updated timeframe based on fear mongering] years.

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #752 on: August 16, 2019, 07:54:46 AM »
The issues you mention fall into my localize and privatize suggestion.

Profit is an impetus for innovation and efficiency. Quality is not free.


I agree with that when it comes to issues other than climate change / homelessness. However, there is no profit motivation so solve climate change or homelessness.


Couldn't there be? This is where the smarter people come in.  Let's take homelessness because that's less ambiguous than "climate change" and is an issue for everyone.

Currently, there are non-profits that address issues like homelessness that provide meals, shelters, clothing etc. But what if we were to localize some tax to a city/county level that directly funds the homeless? It will take some "marketing" to pass such a measure but if people in Irvine will pay extra taxes to fund building improvements to schools, wouldn't they do that to address this issue? And it would have to be more than just temporary shelter, the program would have to be "bootstrap" re-education, it needs to have elements that would benefit not just the homeless but also the city, like a work program, mental awareness seminars, things that will enable them to progress.

But you have to find people and funding to make this work. I'm not sure why there isn't more of that... and maybe that's the "climate change" issue. Possibly, with much more funding from taxes and charitable contributions to make it worth people's "time", it would gain more traction. There are a multitude of things to try, create an initiative that churches can join together on. Target local businesses, etc. Maybe if there was some UBI program that had a requirement of volunteering for homeless programs. :)

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Automation is purely driven by profit. Don't get me wrong, automation is great for humanity. We just need to deal with the side effect of technological job displacement.

And that's what I keep saying. As smart as those people are who are working on AI, they would be smarter if they also worked on the other side of the equation that AI will affect. They shouldn't just be thinking about how to automate thing to replace humans, but what can humans do better than robots can so jobs are not lost.

I still think that even with robots, there is a way to retain workers so in tandem with automation, we get better service without displacing people. Since you are so pro-AI, don't you worry about how that would affect your other hot topic, homelessness?

I think these kiosks you see at fast food places is a good example of how automation really hasn't caused job loss but has made it more profitable for companies. So at Taco Bell, McDonald's and even Costco, I don't see less people working, I just see less people taking orders from customers. What this does is allow for more volume as they can put more people on the harder to automate tasks such as putting together the food, cleaning the tables, etc. This allows them to service more customers which increases profit (to cover the cost of the kiosks) and without losing jobs.

I'm sure people have thought of all this and the issue is execution, but that's why trying to fund these things at a Federal level will fail. It's too far away from the problem. What the Fed (or the next President) can do is instead of create taxes to address your issues, create laws that requires states/cities to address them. Instead of a Homeless Bill of Rights to protect homeless rights, require states/cities to create programs for them beyond what is currently being done.

Now, if you are still reading the IHO wall of text... let me utopian connect this. What about a "use tax" for companies that use automation to reduce jobs, where that money goes to funding homeless programs?

So your turn. What would you do? Or what is Yang going to do other than UBI?
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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #753 on: August 20, 2019, 12:13:11 PM »
I am doubling my donation and i am thinking of holding back my sons application to the Navel Academy to see if the Peace Academy may have room for him in their Safe Space hall......

Marianne Williamson unveils her plans for a Department of Peace with a 'Peace Academy' rival to West Point and orders to turn criminal justice to 'healing-oriented approaches'

Marianne Williamson unveiled her plan for a Department of Peace
The department would be overseen by the Secretary of Peace
It would include a Peace Academy, modeled after the military service academies
Williamson also wants to focus on 'healing-oriented approaches' in criminal justice reform
And she wants to study how elements of our food supply affect behavior
Williamson does not offer an estimate of how much the department would cost

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7376067/Marianne-Williamson-unveils-plans-Department-Peace.html

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #754 on: August 20, 2019, 01:14:57 PM »
Is Dingy Harry the Oracle...trying to fight Smith and prevent the total takeover of the Matrix?...we shall see...

EXCLUSIVE: Harry Reid: 'Of Course' Medicare for All and Decriminalizing Border Crossings Are Bad Ideas
"There are so many more important things to do," the former Senate majority leader said.

WASHINGTON — Former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) isn’t happy that some of his party’s presidential candidates are pushing for Medicare for All and decriminalizing border crossings, two hot-button issues in the Democratic primary.

In a half-hour phone conversation with VICE News, Reid was blunt when asked if he thought supporting Medicare for All would be problematic in the 2020 general election.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ywadgw/exclusive-harry-reid-of-course-medicare-for-all-and-decriminalizing-border-crossings-are-bad-ideas

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #755 on: August 22, 2019, 09:47:30 AM »
Love it, Smith has shoved the left so far out of bounds since they are all trying to out-Smith each other.  Now to the left of insanity all but insures a Trump 2020 win!!

Bernie Sanders unveils his own $16.3 TRILLION climate plan named after AOC's 'Green New Deal' - boldly claiming it will pay for itself AND end unemployment

Bernie Sanders unveiled an ambitious climate change plan Thursday with a $16.3 trillion price tag that promises to create 20 million new jobs
Promotes his climate plan as a way to end unemployment in America
Billed as the 'Green New Deal,' proposal capitalizes on the notoriety of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez's climate change framework of the same name
'Bernie will declare a national emergency on climate change and take immediate, large-scale action to reverse its effects,' the white paper says
The plan will pay for itself over 15 years, Sanders claims, and make the United States total reliant on renewable energy for electricity and transportation
Revenue will come from fines on fossil fuel companies, higher taxes on wealthy,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7383255/Bernie-Sanders-unveils-16-3-trillion-Green-New-Deal-climate-plan.html

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #756 on: August 22, 2019, 04:52:32 PM »
Love it, Smith has shoved the left so far out of bounds since they are all trying to out-Smith each other.  Now to the left of insanity all but insures a Trump 2020 win!!

Bernie Sanders unveils his own $16.3 TRILLION climate plan named after AOC's 'Green New Deal' - boldly claiming it will pay for itself AND end unemployment

Bernie Sanders unveiled an ambitious climate change plan Thursday with a $16.3 trillion price tag that promises to create 20 million new jobs
Promotes his climate plan as a way to end unemployment in America
Billed as the 'Green New Deal,' proposal capitalizes on the notoriety of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez's climate change framework of the same name
'Bernie will declare a national emergency on climate change and take immediate, large-scale action to reverse its effects,' the white paper says
The plan will pay for itself over 15 years, Sanders claims, and make the United States total reliant on renewable energy for electricity and transportation
Revenue will come from fines on fossil fuel companies, higher taxes on wealthy,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7383255/Bernie-Sanders-unveils-16-3-trillion-Green-New-Deal-climate-plan.html

even more insane, bernie ready to throw fossil fuel execs in the gulags...but how will he finance his green new deal without fossil fuel execs running fossil fuel companies?  ???

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Bernie Sanders signals his administration would pursue 'criminal' charges against oil executives

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., upped the ante in his progressive agenda on Thursday when he signaled support for criminal charges against executives at oil companies.

"Fossil fuel executives should be criminally prosecuted for the destruction they have knowingly caused," Sanders tweeted. His comments were the latest in progressive politicians' long line of attacks on big corporations and their role in climate change.


It came on the same day that he released a sweeping $16 trillion plan to address climate change. Sanders painted his "Green New Deal" as a way to "end the greed of the fossil fuel industry."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-criminal-prosecution-oil-executives

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #757 on: August 26, 2019, 02:18:35 PM »
guys, he's not going nuts...real assuring from the gaffe machine and leading 2020 dem candidate!

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Biden: 'I want to be clear, I'm not going nuts'

Joe Biden, the 2020 Democratic front-runner, told New Hampshire voters that he is not losing his mind.

"I want to be clear, I’m not going nuts," Biden, 76, told an audience during a campaign rally in Croydon, New Hampshire, on Friday.

The comment came after the former vice president hesitated when trying to recall exactly he had given another speech hours before at Dartmouth College. “I’m not sure whether it was the medical school or where the hell I spoke. But it was on the campus," Biden said.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-i-want-to-be-clear-im-not-going-nuts

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #758 on: August 27, 2019, 09:46:26 AM »
I want to be clear...I am not cakeist!! >:D

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #759 on: August 29, 2019, 03:49:11 PM »
should we start a daily gaffe thread?

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Joe Biden told moving military story at campaign stop – but it 'never happened,' report says

Former Vice President Joe Biden's campaign has been dogged by gaffes -- but a new error could be his most damaging yet.

The controversy surrounds a moving military story -- which the former VP claimed to be the "God's truth" -- that Biden told at a campaign stop in New Hampshire earlier this month.


The only problem was that the story was not true, according to The Washington Post.

Biden's allegedly tall tale was an emotional account of his decision to travel to Afghanistan, despite concerns about visiting a war-torn area, in order to honor a Navy captain for retrieving the body of his dead comrade during battle.

"It appears as though the former vice president has jumbled elements of at least three actual events into one story," the Post's Matt Viser and Greg Jaffe wrote.

They added that Biden rattled off a slew of inaccurate facts in the span of just a few minutes.

"In the space of three minutes, Biden got the time period, the location, the heroic act, the type of medal, the military branch and the rank of the recipient wrong, as well as his own role in the ceremony," Viser and Jaffe wrote.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-biden-war-story-false

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #760 on: August 30, 2019, 02:40:05 PM »
should we start a daily gaffe thread?

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Joe Biden told moving military story at campaign stop – but it 'never happened,' report says

Former Vice President Joe Biden's campaign has been dogged by gaffes -- but a new error could be his most damaging yet.

The controversy surrounds a moving military story -- which the former VP claimed to be the "God's truth" -- that Biden told at a campaign stop in New Hampshire earlier this month.


The only problem was that the story was not true, according to The Washington Post.

Biden's allegedly tall tale was an emotional account of his decision to travel to Afghanistan, despite concerns about visiting a war-torn area, in order to honor a Navy captain for retrieving the body of his dead comrade during battle.

"It appears as though the former vice president has jumbled elements of at least three actual events into one story," the Post's Matt Viser and Greg Jaffe wrote.

They added that Biden rattled off a slew of inaccurate facts in the span of just a few minutes.

"In the space of three minutes, Biden got the time period, the location, the heroic act, the type of medal, the military branch and the rank of the recipient wrong, as well as his own role in the ceremony," Viser and Jaffe wrote.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-biden-war-story-false

I vote yes.  Since he is the likely candidate at this point, we may have 15 more months of this comedic material to discuss.

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #761 on: September 04, 2019, 10:12:36 AM »
Marianne Williamson wants us to use the power of the mind to turn away Hurricane Dorian:

"“The Bahamas, Florida, Georgia and the Carolinas ... may all be in our prayers now,” Williamson wrote Wednesday morning. “Millions of us seeing Dorian turn away from land is not a wacky idea; it is creative use of the power of the mind. Two minutes of prayer, visualization, meditation for those in the way of the storm.”"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/marianne-williamson-hurricane-dorian-tweet-power-of-mind-153247046.html

If the power of the mind also works on global warming, would be a lot cheaper than the Green New Deal.

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #762 on: September 04, 2019, 10:21:54 AM »
Marianne Williamson wants us to use the power of the mind to turn away Hurricane Dorian:

"“The Bahamas, Florida, Georgia and the Carolinas ... may all be in our prayers now,” Williamson wrote Wednesday morning. “Millions of us seeing Dorian turn away from land is not a wacky idea; it is creative use of the power of the mind. Two minutes of prayer, visualization, meditation for those in the way of the storm.”"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/marianne-williamson-hurricane-dorian-tweet-power-of-mind-153247046.html

If the power of the mind also works on global warming, would be a lot cheaper than the Green New Deal.

See, this is why I donated $2...It's a miracle!!



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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #763 on: September 04, 2019, 11:39:15 AM »
This is a powerful endorsement with significant thought and weight...or just another Hollywood crazy person. #metoo

Elizabeth Warren gets major Hollywood boost as Scarlett Johansson endorses her and says 2020 Democrat isn't making 'crazy, outlandish promises that seem impossible to reach'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7427193/Elizabeth-Warren-gets-major-Hollywood-boost-Scarlett-Johansson-endorses-her.html

'I love Woody Allen. I believe him, and I would work with him anytime': Scarlett Johansson defends shamed director despite long-running allegations that he sexually abused his adopted daughter in 1992

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7427139/Scarlett-Johansson-voices-support-Woody-Allen-accused-sexual-abuse.html

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #764 on: September 04, 2019, 12:03:26 PM »
This is a powerful endorsement with significant thought and weight...or just another Hollywood crazy person. #metoo

Elizabeth Warren gets major Hollywood boost as Scarlett Johansson endorses her and says 2020 Democrat isn't making 'crazy, outlandish promises that seem impossible to reach'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7427193/Elizabeth-Warren-gets-major-Hollywood-boost-Scarlett-Johansson-endorses-her.html

'I love Woody Allen. I believe him, and I would work with him anytime': Scarlett Johansson defends shamed director despite long-running allegations that he sexually abused his adopted daughter in 1992

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7427139/Scarlett-Johansson-voices-support-Woody-Allen-accused-sexual-abuse.html

hey, i've seen this movie before!

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Did Celebrity Endorsements Contribute to Hillary Clinton’s Presidential Upset?

Clinton certainly collected an overwhelming amount of them in the run up to November 8. And, not only did stars use their immense platforms to back the Democratic nominee, but they also participated in more candidate-agnostic public-service campaigns urging Americans to vote at all. It’s impossible to directly measure how many votes an Instagram video of Beyoncé telling people “I’m with her” yielded on Election Day, even if it racked up 2.2 million views. There aren’t any exit polls asking if people decided to cast their ballots because of a cheeky, celebrity-filled Rock the Vote video. Without pure, quantifiable data, those that leverage Americans with the largest platforms—entertainers, media personalities, and athletes—must now look for cracks in the machine to find out what went wrong; where they missed opportunities; or if, what Clinton supporters like Lena Dunham said in her P.S.A. (“I’m wondering if I’m hurting her chances of winning.”) proved to be portent rather than parody.

Hollywood does tend to swing to the left, but Clinton, whose campaign actively targeted young people, may have focused on getting and publicizing celebrity endorsements for two reasons. First, stars and “influencers” are already all over social media delivering messages to this cohort. Second, organizations focused primarily on the youth vote see the 18 to 24 demographic as the most sympathetic to their influence. It’s also the least likely to vote, so inspiring messages from their favorite famous figures could, hypothetically, urge them to the polls. Nevertheless, the 2016 election is bearing out to show similar low engagement to results reported in a 2014 study from the U.S. Census Bureau. It found that voting rates among 18- to 24-year-olds in all elections dropped from 50.9 percent in 1964 to 38 percent in 2012. The first election that Rock the Vote, a nonpartisan organization focused on youth-voting advocacy, influenced 1992, and 2008 (when Barack Obama ran for the first time) marked banner years for the age group, but the rate has never returned to 1964 levels. (Vanity Fair reached out to a Clinton representative for comment on this article, but had not heard back prior to publication.)

Michael Cobb, associate professor of political science at N.C. State, said that this sort of nuance is where celebrity influence can reside. “There’s very little evidence that anyone, let alone celebrities, can convince people in a hyper-partisan age to vote for somebody of the other party,” Cobb said. “That’s just not what they’re being asked to do and that’s not what they can do.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2016/11/celebrity-endorsements-donald-trump-hillary-clinton

 

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