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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #75 on: March 18, 2019, 04:12:31 PM »
unfortunately for the left, they have been unable to crack trump and the only answer they can come up with is to go deeper and deeper into socialist policy.  that's why you see all of these opposition candidates coming out with pledges to provide universal basic income, reparations for slavery (lol), free healthcare, and on and on.  legitimate candidates like biden will get lost in translation because of this obsession on the left with competing in the oppression olympics.  beta and spartacus said they will be choosing a woman as their vp candidate just because they are a woman.  sound familiar?  is it still "her turn?"

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #76 on: March 18, 2019, 04:55:19 PM »
and you wonder why we don't trust the media?  robert francis is one sick puppy!


But Fox and AMI sitting on stories relating to Trump during the 2016 election is irrelevant.

whataboutism is fun isn't it?  :)

No...I think all of it is relevant and important.  Trumpsters are the ones with selective outrage.

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #77 on: March 18, 2019, 06:46:56 PM »
and you wonder why we don't trust the media?  robert francis is one sick puppy!


But Fox and AMI sitting on stories relating to Trump during the 2016 election is irrelevant.

whataboutism is fun isn't it?  :)

No...I think all of it is relevant and important.  Trumpsters are the ones with selective outrage.

then do you agree reuters shouldn't have sat on the story during beta's run in the senate?  why bring up another topic if you're not going to first agree with my post?

i think lion ted cruz said it best:

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So Reuters had evidence in 2017 that Beto may have committed multiple felonies—which Beto confirmed on the record—but deliberately withheld the story for over a year to help him win his Senate race?  But when he’s running against Bernie etc, NOW it’s news?

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #78 on: March 18, 2019, 07:12:23 PM »
No...he didnt commit any felony...he belonged to a group that purportedly did.

Second..
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However, Menn said the CDC wouldn’t confirm that O’Rourke was the member in question unless the reporter agreed to hang on to the information “until after the November election” in 2018. After agreeing to the group’s terms, Menn approached O’Rourke for an interview with the promise that it would not be published until after his Senate race. O’Rourke agreed.

Menn defended his reporting decision on Twitter, explaining that he only had a “guess” that O’Rourke was the CDC member in Congress and “zero sources.” The reporter did not explain how he came to guess O’Rourke’s involvement and if he had enough information at the time to independently verify his hunch without the CDC’s confirmation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dailycaller.com/2019/03/16/reuters-beto-orourke-hacking-texas-senate

So basically...you wanted Reuter to print an article without source pr corroboration.

Conversely, AMI admitted that it worked with Trump Campaign to bury stories and is under a cooperarion agreement with the DOJ

Fox News also buried those stories.

If you dont see the difference...that is on you.  But like you really care abt fairness in the media.
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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #79 on: March 18, 2019, 07:20:41 PM »
To republicans dumping on leftist democratic candidates and “yearning”  for a centrist ..

such arguments are nothing more than intellectual fraud - and the lazy , scared of its own shadow media keeps harping on it like they obsessed over Hillary’s email server .

Barack Obama walked into office with Mitt Romney’s health care policy, with John McCain’s climate policy, with Bill Clinton’s tax policy, and George H.W. Bush’s foreign policy.

And did..Bush, did..Romney, did..McCain say a single good word about anything..Obama ever did..?" Or did Fox give him credit for any single thing ?

Doesn’t matter who is the democratic candidate — the mudslingers of the right wing swamp will be hurling projectiles at him / her anyways.

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #80 on: March 19, 2019, 10:27:05 AM »
Probably nobody has heard of Andrew Yang. But he is quietly gaining momentum. He probably lacks the charisma and the right skin color to win but people should take his ideas seriously.

I think Universal Basic Income (UBI) and Value added tax will be a major issue for 2020 election.



That guy is going to be the flavor of the month just like Herman Kaine and Bobby Jindal or Carly Fiorina.  They each saw a sudden early surge but eventually were swallowed up by the Orange mass.  I expect the same will happen to the huge dem field. We will cycle through a few of these before its over.

Democratic debates are coming up, with dark horses poised to share the spotlight

Yang, 44, is a corporate lawyer who turned to startups and launched the nonprofit Venture for America, which seeks to "to revitalize American cities and communities through entrepreneurship." This is his first political race, and he has focused his campaign on preparing for increasing job losses because of automation and artificial intelligence. Yang’s campaign told the Daily Beast that the ranks of his “Yang Gang” supporters started to surge after an appearance on the popular “Joe Rogan Experience” podcast in February and continued. (The YouTube video of the interview has over 2 million views.)

Pro-Yang memes began to spread across social media platforms and message boards as interest grew in his UBI plan, which would provide $1,000 checks every month to every American over age 18. While some of that support for his plan has come from darker corners of the internet aligned with the so-called alt-right, Yang has not courted that support.

https://news.yahoo.com/andrew-yang-pete-buttigieg-democratic-debates-164137300.html

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #81 on: March 19, 2019, 10:32:16 AM »
Maybe so but the introduction of ideas is great.

I am a Yang supporter.

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #82 on: March 19, 2019, 01:16:42 PM »
For those of you who think "its different this time" you haven't learned anything from the last Presidential election.  More and more I hear Pennsylvania will flip back...Ill remind you...

Always two sides to every coin

Stumped by Trump’s success? Take a drive outside US cities

If you drive anywhere in Pennsylvania, from the turnpike to the old US routes to the dirt roads connecting small towns like Hooversville with “bigger” small towns like Somerset, you might conclude that Donald Trump is ahead in this state by double digits.

Large signs, small signs, homemade signs, signs that wrap around barns, signs that go from one end of a fence to another dot the landscape with such frequency that, if you were playing the old-fashioned road-trip game of counting cows, you would hit 100 in just one small town like this one.

n Ruffsdale, I am pretty sure I saw more than 100 Trump signs.

It’s as if people here have not turned on the television to hear pundits drone on and on about how badly Trump is losing in Pennsylvania.

It’s not just visual: In interview after interview in all corners of the state, I’ve found that Trump’s support across the ideological spectrum remains strong. Democrats, Republicans, independents, people who have not voted in presidential elections for years — they have not wavered in their support.

http://nypost.com/2016/08/22/stumped-by-trumps-success-take-a-drive-outside-us-cities/

Then...and now...

Trump’s Pa. popularity no accident

There’s a reason why President Trump is becoming more popular in important Midwestern battleground states like Pennsylvania: Voters don’t want to lose the ongoing economic renaissance that is transforming their lives.

According to a recent opinion survey from The Wall Street Journal, the president “cumulatively leads a generic Democratic opponent, 46 percent to 40 percent,” in Pennsylvania, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin.

The survey’s findings are not surprising, and it’s no small coincidence that those states are all thriving under the president’s pro-growth economic policies.

Indeed, Trump’s economic agenda has had a profound effect on Pennsylvania: The state’s 4.0 percent unemployment rate is now the lowest it’s been in nearly two decades, and the economy continues to add new jobs at a dizzying pace.

https://triblive.com/opinion/david-urban-trumps-pa-popularity-no-accident/

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #83 on: March 19, 2019, 01:47:37 PM »
I don't know what an opinion poll is and which one it is referencing but Trump is losing a ton in the rust belt states

https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/state/

Biden is up 8 in Wisconsin and 7 in Michigan...every Dem challenge is ahead or tied with Trump right now.

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #84 on: March 19, 2019, 01:55:35 PM »

So basically...you wanted Reuter to print an article without source pr corroboration.


uhhh...what do you think the media has been doing to trump constantly for the past 2 years?  remember the dossier?  bueller?

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #85 on: March 19, 2019, 02:16:25 PM »

So basically...you wanted Reuter to print an article without source pr corroboration.


uhhh...what do you think the media has been doing to trump constantly for the past 2 years?  remember the dossier?  bueller?

The goalpost just keep moving...but again you don't actually care about objectivity or the media.  Just like libertarian do not actually care about liberty...they just care about being able to do whatever it is they want.

BTW...a number of the material allegations have been prove in the Steele Dossier:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/07/politics/dossier-two-years-later/index.html

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #86 on: March 19, 2019, 02:53:41 PM »
I don't know what an opinion poll is and which one it is referencing but Trump is losing a ton in the rust belt states

https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/state/

Biden is up 8 in Wisconsin and 7 in Michigan...every Dem challenge is ahead or tied with Trump right now.

Let history be your guide...

Polls Suggest Donald Trump Probably Can’t Flip Rust Belt States

He’s trailing Hillary Clinton by double digits in Pennsylvania and struggling in crucial battleground states.

Donald Trump has placed a big bet in his quest for the presidency: that his appeal to white working-class voters can make him competitive in Rust Belt states that traditionally vote Democratic. Increasingly, it looks like he’s going to lose that bet.

A new set of battleground polls released on Tuesday show Trump trailing Hillary Clinton in the most critical states he’s hoping to flip.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57aa40c8e4b0ba7ed23df890

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #87 on: March 19, 2019, 03:05:52 PM »
I don't know what an opinion poll is and which one it is referencing but Trump is losing a ton in the rust belt states

https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/state/

Biden is up 8 in Wisconsin and 7 in Michigan...every Dem challenge is ahead or tied with Trump right now.

Let history be your guide...

Polls Suggest Donald Trump Probably Can’t Flip Rust Belt States

He’s trailing Hillary Clinton by double digits in Pennsylvania and struggling in crucial battleground states.

Donald Trump has placed a big bet in his quest for the presidency: that his appeal to white working-class voters can make him competitive in Rust Belt states that traditionally vote Democratic. Increasingly, it looks like he’s going to lose that bet.

A new set of battleground polls released on Tuesday show Trump trailing Hillary Clinton in the most critical states he’s hoping to flip.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57aa40c8e4b0ba7ed23df890

Why do you keep moving the goal post...you cited an article that stated that Trump is ahead in rust belt states when in fact it is the opposite. 

Now you confuse "history" with "lightning strikes"...just because something happened once, does not mean it will happen again.  And of course you continue to ignore the 2018 midterms in which Trump and the GOP lost in the Rust Belt states badly. 

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #88 on: March 19, 2019, 03:42:31 PM »
Not moving anything. you represent, then and now, the prevailing view that Trump will lose the Rust Belt.  I posted the countervailing view.  Your observation (then as now) is erroneous.  I know you think the midterms were such a yuge loss but in reality it was a underwhelming but typical midterm election. It was not a Presidential election so saying it was some sort of rebuke of Trump is a stretch. A true rebuke might be Obamas first midterm, that was a whipping, but even with that blow , look what happened just two years later...he got re-elected...this will probably end up the same.

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #89 on: March 19, 2019, 03:58:24 PM »
Not moving anything. you represent, then and now, the prevailing view that Trump will lose the Rust Belt.  I posted the countervailing view.  Your observation (then as now) is erroneous.  I know you think the midterms were such a yuge loss but in reality it was a underwhelming but typical midterm election. It was not a Presidential election so saying it was some sort of rebuke of Trump is a stretch. A true rebuke might be Obamas first midterm, that was a whipping, but even with that blow , look what happened just two years later...he got re-elected...this will probably end up the same.

Except everyone else realize that the 2018 midterm losses were pretty historical for Trump but sure.

Obama got elected in 2008 with +7.2% popular vote and +185 electoral votes....in 2012 he won with +3.9 and +126 electoral votes.   Obama's approval disapproval in 2012 was about +1% (48.6/47.3)

Trump got elected in 2016 with -2.1% popular vote and +77 electoral votes (most of those on razor thin margins in the rust belt).  Trump's current approval/disapproval is somewhere around -11/-12 (41/42% v 52/53)...how much margin of error do you think he has in 2020?
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