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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2019, 10:54:52 PM »
I love it...polls are wrong and stupid except for the one that supports Trumps.  You may also want to check the sample size in that poll

Let see what happens.

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2019, 12:38:14 PM »
Speaking of polls:

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Which brings me to Gallup’s 2019 report on global ratings of the world’s leadership. Gallup’s report shows that the median global approval rating for the U.S. among adults in 133 countries was 31 percent in 2018, with large disapproval ratings, including among some of America’s strongest, oldest allies. This number is basically unchanged from the record low the U.S. set in 2017.

These numbers are a clear warning to the U.S. A wake-up call that represents a struggle between democracy and authoritarianism. The world has lost trust and confidence in America. As we know, trust and confidence are the coins of the realm in all matters and especially in international relations.

China and Russia have gained ground, however, according to the new report. After tying with the U.S. in 2017, China’s leadership edged ahead in 2018. At 34 percent, this is China’s highest median leadership approval rating since 2009.

Russia’s approval rating rose to 30 percent in 2018, tying its previous high in 2008. It’s worth noting that the approval ratings of the U.S. and Russia are now on par for the first time.

The world disapproved of U.S. leadership more than the leadership of these other countries in 2018. The median U.S. disapproval rating was 40 percent. This disapproval rating of U.S. leadership was higher than disapproval ratings of Germany’s (22 percent), China’s (28 percent) or Russia’s (31 percent).

When you review U.S. disapproval ratings in nations that have been historically reliable allies over the years, the picture is very bleak. In the U.K., 64 percent disapprove of U.S. leadership; Germany, 73 percent disapprove; France, 65 percent disapprove; and Canada, 79 percent disapprove, to name a few. These ratings speak to the seriousness of where America is today in the eyes of the world.

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/432051-gallups-global-leadership-ratings-a-needed-wake-up-call-for-us

From last year:



https://news.gallup.com/poll/225761/world-approval-leadership-drops-new-low.aspx

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2019, 01:01:30 PM »
While incumbents are usually tough to beat... I'm hoping for a Dem victory.

While my views align more with Republican/Libertarian policies I just can't handle another term of Trump.
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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2019, 01:28:32 PM »
While incumbents are usually tough to beat... I'm hoping for a Dem victory.

While my views align more with Republican/Libertarian policies I just can't handle another term of Trump.


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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2019, 02:06:53 PM »
Speaking of polls:

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Which brings me to Gallup’s 2019 report on global ratings of the world’s leadership. Gallup’s report shows that the median global approval rating for the U.S. among adults in 133 countries was 31 percent in 2018, with large disapproval ratings, including among some of America’s strongest, oldest allies. This number is basically unchanged from the record low the U.S. set in 2017.

These numbers are a clear warning to the U.S. A wake-up call that represents a struggle between democracy and authoritarianism. The world has lost trust and confidence in America. As we know, trust and confidence are the coins of the realm in all matters and especially in international relations.

China and Russia have gained ground, however, according to the new report. After tying with the U.S. in 2017, China’s leadership edged ahead in 2018. At 34 percent, this is China’s highest median leadership approval rating since 2009.

Russia’s approval rating rose to 30 percent in 2018, tying its previous high in 2008. It’s worth noting that the approval ratings of the U.S. and Russia are now on par for the first time.

The world disapproved of U.S. leadership more than the leadership of these other countries in 2018. The median U.S. disapproval rating was 40 percent. This disapproval rating of U.S. leadership was higher than disapproval ratings of Germany’s (22 percent), China’s (28 percent) or Russia’s (31 percent).

When you review U.S. disapproval ratings in nations that have been historically reliable allies over the years, the picture is very bleak. In the U.K., 64 percent disapprove of U.S. leadership; Germany, 73 percent disapprove; France, 65 percent disapprove; and Canada, 79 percent disapprove, to name a few. These ratings speak to the seriousness of where America is today in the eyes of the world.

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/432051-gallups-global-leadership-ratings-a-needed-wake-up-call-for-us

From last year:



https://news.gallup.com/poll/225761/world-approval-leadership-drops-new-low.aspx

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So they hate us but we love us...who cares what they think?

Americans' Perceptions of U.S. World Image Best Since 2003

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Fifty-eight percent of Americans believe the U.S. rates "very" or "somewhat favorably" in the world's eyes. Though the current figure is up just slightly from the 55% recorded last year, it represents the highest figure Gallup has found since 2003.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/247064/americans-perceptions-world-image-best-2003.aspx


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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2019, 05:11:58 PM »
Americans' Perceptions of U.S. World Image Best Since 2003

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Fifty-eight percent of Americans believe the U.S. rates "very" or "somewhat favorably" in the world's eyes. Though the current figure is up just slightly from the 55% recorded last year, it represents the highest figure Gallup has found since 2003.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/247064/americans-perceptions-world-image-best-2003.aspx

Because delusion and ignorance are not things we are shooting for?

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2019, 06:56:28 PM »
So these people are ignorant?

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2019, 08:02:31 PM »
So these people are ignorant?

Yes...if those people think that the rest of the world loves the US when in reality the rest of world dislikes the US a lot. 

Did you actually read the article....or the quote you selected?

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2019, 11:37:12 AM »
Amazing to watch narratives change every week. From the reliably right wing shill USAToday:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/03/01/donald-trump-tax-cut-refunds-irs-kamala-harris-column/3026996002/

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2019, 11:58:44 AM »
Amazing to watch narratives change every week. From the reliably right wing shill USAToday:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/03/01/donald-trump-tax-cut-refunds-irs-kamala-harris-column/3026996002/

It is an opinion piece so alleged political leaning of the media is irrelevant.

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2019, 12:27:30 PM »
Yes, it's an opinion piece.

Try a few of they hyperlinks imbedded in the article. I think the first one is directly to the IRS data, so pretty non partisan fact based stuff. At the end of the opinion piece the writer underscores that it's still too early to know the full results. That's the correct way to look at this issue, not to jump all over it early as some have.

Also, USAToday is hardly a right wing media outlet. It was surprising to see it there.

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2019, 01:01:38 PM »
Amazing to watch narratives change every week. From the reliably right wing shill USAToday:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/03/01/donald-trump-tax-cut-refunds-irs-kamala-harris-column/3026996002/

It is an opinion piece so alleged political leaning of the media is irrelevant.

Yes agree

And what exactly is the point ? Get a little more money in your pocket temporarily, so one is expected to ignore everything else . The stock market rally didn’t exactly help the republicans in 2018 elections now, did it ?

But people have to keep clutching at straws ...

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2019, 11:28:13 AM »
Yes, it's an opinion piece.

Try a few of they hyperlinks imbedded in the article. I think the first one is directly to the IRS data, so pretty non partisan fact based stuff. At the end of the opinion piece the writer underscores that it's still too early to know the full results. That's the correct way to look at this issue, not to jump all over it early as some have.

Also, USAToday is hardly a right wing media outlet. It was surprising to see it there.

Data is always up for interpretations...otherwise most financial industry would be gone.

Again...it is an opinion piece and most legit media sources try for balance, including inviting sources from all across the spectrum.  For all the attacks on CNN, they invite guests and commentators across the board.

As for the tax issue, Trump should have learned from Obama that people don't notice marginal increases in their paychecks...heck i dont remember the last time i even looked at my paystub.  Getting a refund for a lot of people is a big thing.

On a macro point, most economists agree that the tax cuts had very little effect on things like jobs as much went to corporations and stock buybacks.  On the flip side, we are at $22 trillion on the deficit but the GOP doesnt care about that now

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2019, 08:47:31 PM »
The irony is too delicious to pass up. While the Dems trip over themselves to see who can lurch further left of their new star Alexandria occasional cortex, her own mother blows her home town because (amongst other reasons) the taxes are too high and she flees to the low tax state of Florida...ouch!

'God played quite a joke on me with this politics stuff!' The privacy-loving mother of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez whips up lasagna as she tells how she had to flee New York because of high taxes and gushes about wedding bells for her daughter

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6748793/Alexandria-Ocasio-Cortezs-mother-tells-hopes-daughter-marries-longtime-boyfriend.html

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Re: The 2020 Presidential Election
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2019, 04:21:37 AM »
Meh .. this is far bigger .

We finally have a state media just like other places like China and North Korea


So every conservative up in arms about media bias is totally silent on this New Yorker story  ... self appointed media watchdogs would have be rabid dogs on a bone if this were CNN and a Democrat

“Fox News HAD the story of Trump's hush money payoffs to Stormy Daniels BEFORE the election but killed it because the reporter said she was told, "Good reporting Kiddo, but Rupert Murdoch wants Donald Trump to win. So set it aside." Reporter sued, is bound by an NDA.”

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/03/11/the-making-of-the-fox-news-white-house/amp?__twitter_impression=true


And compare this to the “liberal” NYT which single handedly killed Clinton’s campaign by breaking the email server story ...

 

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