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Offline Kenkoko

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Re: Landscaping cost
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2018, 03:39:05 PM »
Hi Kenkoko, were you happy with the work done?  And if so, could you please provide your landscaper's name and contact info?  The scope of work included in my estimate is: outdoor tiling, pergola for dining area, water feature, some artificial turf, and some drought tolerant plants/florals.  Nothing too crazy or fancy, trying to keep an overall somewhat modern look.  Thanks!

Sure, I used Swam pools and Landscaping. See yelp link below. ( Not sure why they have 2 yelps)
https://www.yelp.com/biz/swan-pools-lake-forest?osq=Swan+Pools
https://www.yelp.com/biz/swan-pools-and-landscaping-lake-forest?osq=Swan+Pools

I am quite happy with the work done. They have a great designer who helped us a lot with design and gave us a drawing before starting the job at no extra cost.
They also honored their warranty and came to fix LED lights in the pool last month (more than 2 years after completion)
If you want to see some pictures, feel free to PM me.
The only small nitpick is the concrete fading/discoloration. They did tell me ahead of time but i was not expecting that much fading.

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Re: Landscaping cost
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2018, 04:43:47 PM »
Unfortunately, your location and house value affects the bid. 

It's both rational and appropriate and total gouging you at the same time.




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Re: Landscaping cost
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2018, 07:56:18 PM »
My house is very similar in size to yours (3900 sqft on 5100 lot)

We built a salt water pool, spa, water feature, concrete deck, landscaping for 70k. All the materials were provided except the plants. I had to buy them myself at additional cost.

Impressive, you were able to fit a pool, water feature, and concrete deck in a 5,100 sq ft lot with a 3,900 sq ft house?  And all for $70K.  Wow.

So for most of the developments these day landscape should be about $40k or less?

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Re: Landscaping cost
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2018, 08:32:51 PM »
Impressive, you were able to fit a pool, water feature, and concrete deck in a 5,100 sq ft lot with a 3,900 sq ft house?  And all for $70K.  Wow.
Thanks! It's a small backyard 55 x 19 and a very small pool 27x8. I really regret not making the pool longer. It feels like swimming in a fish tank. I should have made it 8 to 10 feet longer by forging the outdoor dining area which looks great but I never use.  :'(

We were trying to keep the cost to below 75k. Swan Pools was the only company we found that had a computerized price quote system which instantly adjusted the price for every single change. It made it much easier to decide where to cutback and where to spend to get the most bang for the buck. We initially did not want a water feature. But we played with Swan's system and found out that we could make our pool 1 foot shallower, saving a few thousand dollars, and use that money for a small water feature.

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Re: Landscaping cost
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2018, 06:31:13 AM »
$60k for what you described seems high.  I think $50k including materials is what sounds right based on my experience.  It's also odd that the contractor doesn't include materials - does he except you to go purchase and get them to the house yourself?  I would keep looking...
Paris will disagree *(where is she bye the way/)  If OP bought a 4,000 sq ft house in Irvine, the price is greater than 1.5 million, now don't skimp on landscape, it has be atleast $100K to be neighborhood worthy.


From memory, landscaping for Capella houses with tiny lots were more than $40k

We spent $25k for landscaping including all materials and I'm very happy with the quality of work.

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Re: Landscaping cost
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2018, 04:20:17 PM »
I have been interviewing landscapers about my front and back yard (5,000 sq. ft lot with a 4,000+ sq. ft house on it, so basically not much yard though likely a tad bigger than typical Irvine new builds).  Received a quote for $60k to plant some planters, install tile over concrete, and build a water wall -- but that estimate does not include ANY materials, i.e., I would need to separately purchase the tiles, plants, trees, etc. 

I've never dealt with a new build before so I don't have much context but this sounds extremely expensive considering this is 60k for basically just some yard labor?  What have others been paying for landscaping and typically do homeowners have to provide the materials separately?


My yard is bigger than that with about the same sized house. We spent about that but it included all hard and softscape and labor.


We took out and replaced the driveway and backyard patio. The hardscape is mostly travertine. We have a water feature with three bubbling pots (also included...….. I think they were a few hundred? per pot) and many self watering pots thru the yard and a built in bbq with counter for chairs, planter walls in the front and back yard.

The landscaper went with us to a large contractor only nursery in SJC while we picked out plants and got a super price on the plants which included delivery.

I would get more estimates. It seems pretty high.
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Re: Landscaping cost
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2018, 09:54:36 AM »
To the OP, I would suggest getting additional bids from recommended landscapers if you are not happy with the three you receive.  Others can give you amounts they paid but you may not be able to replicate the same landscaping at the same cost for two reasons...1)material prices have gone up; some significantly, and 2) a lot of good contractors are busy and are pricing accordingly.  I know for a fact that the same contractor will price much higher today than they did in 2014 when work was not as plentiful.

As for plant materials, most good landscape contractors will purchase the plants as they get a trade discount and that is additional profit for them.  If the contractor provides plant materials they should warranty the plants for 6-12 months.

Don't fall victim to the shoddy workmanship of cheap contractors just because the bid is the lowest.  it will cost you much more in money and aggrevation down the road to fix problems that arise.  Also make sure that the estimates contain a detailed breakdown for you to make a fair comparison between bids.  There are many contractors today who are taking on more work than they can handle, so make sure there is a clause in the contract stating how long the project will take for completion.   

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Re: Landscaping cost
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2018, 10:48:01 AM »
Not just a clause for when it will be be completed, but a price reduction for every week that they are late. I’m guessing most won’t go for it, but if they are not lying to you then they really have no reason not to agree to it. They may pad the original completion date even more but at least you have something in writing.

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Re: Landscaping cost
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2018, 11:23:46 AM »
To the OP, I would suggest getting additional bids from recommended landscapers if you are not happy with the three you receive.  Others can give you amounts they paid but you may not be able to replicate the same landscaping at the same cost for two reasons...1)material prices have gone up; some significantly, and 2) a lot of good contractors are busy and are pricing accordingly.  I know for a fact that the same contractor will price much higher today than they did in 2014 when work was not as plentiful.

As for plant materials, most good landscape contractors will purchase the plants as they get a trade discount and that is additional profit for them.  If the contractor provides plant materials they should warranty the plants for 6-12 months.

Don't fall victim to the shoddy workmanship of cheap contractors just because the bid is the lowest.  it will cost you much more in money and aggrevation down the road to fix problems that arise.  Also make sure that the estimates contain a detailed breakdown for you to make a fair comparison between bids.  There are many contractors today who are taking on more work than they can handle, so make sure there is a clause in the contract stating how long the project will take for completion.

If you have a plan you like, it's easier to compare apples to apples.

Find some houses that have used the contractors and ask them if they would use them again, how they were with completing the project timewise.

Our plants were purchased from http://dmcolorexpress.net/purchase/ a contractor's only nursery and the only way to buy is if you are a contractor or he is actually with you. We paid by credit card directly to the nursery. I wish I could get more potting soil and mulch from them but alas no contractor.

If our contractor got some kickback, I don't know about it but the prices were excellent so we were very very happy with the plants..... from bedding plants to box trees. Excellent selection and the nursery has a person who went with us, the contractor (or helped us with suggestions, size the plants get, which varieties get bigger, sun needs etc) and tags the actual larger plants that we pick out. Took us hours to pick everything out and we had a list ahead of time, partly because the place is absolutely huge and it was alot of walking.

If you can talk your contractor into going with you, make sure you allow a LOT of time, have a list of what you want, quantities and go to the San Juan Capistrano location. The Orange location is VERY small overflow.

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Re: Landscaping cost
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2018, 12:08:15 PM »
To the OP, I would suggest getting additional bids from recommended landscapers if you are not happy with the three you receive.  Others can give you amounts they paid but you may not be able to replicate the same landscaping at the same cost for two reasons...1)material prices have gone up; some significantly, and 2) a lot of good contractors are busy and are pricing accordingly.  I know for a fact that the same contractor will price much higher today than they did in 2014 when work was not as plentiful.

As for plant materials, most good landscape contractors will purchase the plants as they get a trade discount and that is additional profit for them.  If the contractor provides plant materials they should warranty the plants for 6-12 months.

Don't fall victim to the shoddy workmanship of cheap contractors just because the bid is the lowest.  it will cost you much more in money and aggrevation down the road to fix problems that arise.  Also make sure that the estimates contain a detailed breakdown for you to make a fair comparison between bids.  There are many contractors today who are taking on more work than they can handle, so make sure there is a clause in the contract stating how long the project will take for completion.

If you have a plan you like, it's easier to compare apples to apples.

Find some houses that have used the contractors and ask them if they would use them again, how they were with completing the project timewise.

Our plants were purchased from http://dmcolorexpress.net/purchase/ a contractor's only nursery and the only way to buy is if you are a contractor or he is actually with you. We paid by credit card directly to the nursery. I wish I could get more potting soil and mulch from them but alas no contractor.

If our contractor got some kickback, I don't know about it but the prices were excellent so we were very very happy with the plants..... from bedding plants to box trees. Excellent selection and the nursery has a person who went with us, the contractor (or helped us with suggestions, size the plants get, which varieties get bigger, sun needs etc) and tags the actual larger plants that we pick out. Took us hours to pick everything out and we had a list ahead of time, partly because the place is absolutely huge and it was alot of walking.

If you can talk your contractor into going with you, make sure you allow a LOT of time, have a list of what you want, quantities and go to the San Juan Capistrano location. The Orange location is VERY small overflow.

You can buy without a contractor at the Orange location.

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Re: Landscaping cost
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2018, 05:40:13 PM »
To the OP, I would suggest getting additional bids from recommended landscapers if you are not happy with the three you receive.  Others can give you amounts they paid but you may not be able to replicate the same landscaping at the same cost for two reasons...1)material prices have gone up; some significantly, and 2) a lot of good contractors are busy and are pricing accordingly.  I know for a fact that the same contractor will price much higher today than they did in 2014 when work was not as plentiful.

As for plant materials, most good landscape contractors will purchase the plants as they get a trade discount and that is additional profit for them.  If the contractor provides plant materials they should warranty the plants for 6-12 months.

Don't fall victim to the shoddy workmanship of cheap contractors just because the bid is the lowest.  it will cost you much more in money and aggrevation down the road to fix problems that arise.  Also make sure that the estimates contain a detailed breakdown for you to make a fair comparison between bids.  There are many contractors today who are taking on more work than they can handle, so make sure there is a clause in the contract stating how long the project will take for completion.

If you have a plan you like, it's easier to compare apples to apples.

Find some houses that have used the contractors and ask them if they would use them again, how they were with completing the project timewise.

Our plants were purchased from http://dmcolorexpress.net/purchase/ a contractor's only nursery and the only way to buy is if you are a contractor or he is actually with you. We paid by credit card directly to the nursery. I wish I could get more potting soil and mulch from them but alas no contractor.

If our contractor got some kickback, I don't know about it but the prices were excellent so we were very very happy with the plants..... from bedding plants to box trees. Excellent selection and the nursery has a person who went with us, the contractor (or helped us with suggestions, size the plants get, which varieties get bigger, sun needs etc) and tags the actual larger plants that we pick out. Took us hours to pick everything out and we had a list ahead of time, partly because the place is absolutely huge and it was alot of walking.

If you can talk your contractor into going with you, make sure you allow a LOT of time, have a list of what you want, quantities and go to the San Juan Capistrano location. The Orange location is VERY small overflow.

You can buy without a contractor at the Orange location.

Maybe but when I went there to see about their plants they wanted a business card as a contractor before they would "let me" look at their plants. No matter, the orange location is tiny and not worth bothering with if you're putting in new landscaping and in need of lots of plants.


I think I'll stop by and ask if I can buy mulch at their contractor price next time I go by the Orange location.

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Re: Landscaping cost
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2018, 05:46:43 PM »
In 2012 we bought our plants from DM color express in orange without a contractor. If the orange location is small their other location must be huge.

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Re: Landscaping cost
« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2018, 08:15:42 PM »
In 2012 we bought our plants from DM color express in orange without a contractor. If the orange location is small their other location must be huge.

SJC is massive.  They don’t like you looking around on your own, but you can do it on the sly.

At Orange, they don’t care and will even answer questions.  Orange is more walkable just to get the basic idea.  The best thing about DM is that they publish a list of what’s available every week so you can see what’s in stock rather than driving around aimlessly for specific varietal of plant.

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Re: Landscaping cost
« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2018, 08:33:18 PM »
In 2012 we bought our plants from DM color express in orange without a contractor. If the orange location is small their other location must be huge.

SJC is massive.  They don’t like you looking around on your own, but you can do it on the sly.

At Orange, they don’t care and will even answer questions.  Orange is more walkable just to get the basic idea.  The best thing about DM is that they publish a list of what’s available every week so you can see what’s in stock rather than driving around aimlessly for specific varietal of plant.


Both will drive you around in a golf cart but for Orange I don't know why anyone would bother. SJC doesn't look that big till u r inside the lot.

If I ever buy a place again, I'm going to make it a condition of the landscaping deal, that I want to get my plants there and if the contractor or one of his employees has to go with me they will.

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Re: Landscaping cost
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2018, 09:45:58 PM »
I guess I’m simple. I got my plants at Home Depot and Lowe’s. I planted them my self.


 

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