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Re: Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans
« Reply #60 on: October 17, 2018, 08:55:02 PM »
The “market “ solution is for these universities to launch other , satellite campuses . But they won’t — as the current setup incentivizes prestige and snobbery over really trying to meet consumer demand.

Satellite campuses have been around for a while.  You haven't heard about Cornell-Tech?  Wharton Beijing?  NYU Abu Dhabi?

LinkedIn is littered with resumes featuring the HBS logo boasting some bogus Executive Education certificate from Harvard.

Closer to home, how about USC Orange County?  Hell, even Cal State Fullerton has an Irvine campus.

Most of the IVY satellite stuff is at the graduate level or professional certificate level. The undergrad stuff remains pretty pure.

Wharton Beijing is MBA. Cornell Tech is masters. NYU is undergraduate but that ain’t no ivy.

Yale Singapore is undergraduate.  So is Duke Kunshan.  Qatar is home to satellite undergraduate campuses of Northwestern, Carnegie Mellon, and Georgetown.

The point being, many elite schools have already capitalized on selling off their name for a price.

Ahh yes. Forgot about Yale Singapore. That place also has a 5% admit rate. Is there a lawsuit there too?

Nope.  More than 60% Asian.  ;D

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Re: Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans
« Reply #61 on: October 17, 2018, 09:04:34 PM »
The “market “ solution is for these universities to launch other , satellite campuses . But they won’t — as the current setup incentivizes prestige and snobbery over really trying to meet consumer demand.

Satellite campuses have been around for a while.  You haven't heard about Cornell-Tech?  Wharton Beijing?  NYU Abu Dhabi?

LinkedIn is littered with resumes featuring the HBS logo boasting some bogus Executive Education certificate from Harvard.

Closer to home, how about USC Orange County?  Hell, even Cal State Fullerton has an Irvine campus.

Most of the IVY satellite stuff is at the graduate level or professional certificate level. The undergrad stuff remains pretty pure.

Wharton Beijing is MBA. Cornell Tech is masters. NYU is undergraduate but that ain’t no ivy.

Yale Singapore is undergraduate.  So is Duke Kunshan.  Qatar is home to satellite undergraduate campuses of Northwestern, Carnegie Mellon, and Georgetown.

The point being, many elite schools have already capitalized on selling off their name for a price.

Ahh yes. Forgot about Yale Singapore. That place also has a 5% admit rate. Is there a lawsuit there too?

Nope.  More than 60% Asian.  ;D

So same as Portola High. UTOPIA!!!

:) :) :)

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Re: Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans
« Reply #62 on: October 17, 2018, 10:07:47 PM »
Screw them you don’t need them.  :D
(If the college don’t want your kind. Move on. Don’t let negativity affect you)

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Re: Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans
« Reply #63 on: October 18, 2018, 07:04:44 AM »
The “market “ solution is for these universities to launch other , satellite campuses . But they won’t — as the current setup incentivizes prestige and snobbery over really trying to meet consumer demand.

Satellite campuses have been around for a while.  You haven't heard about Cornell-Tech?  Wharton Beijing?  NYU Abu Dhabi?

LinkedIn is littered with resumes featuring the HBS logo boasting some bogus Executive Education certificate from Harvard.

Closer to home, how about USC Orange County?  Hell, even Cal State Fullerton has an Irvine campus.

Most of the IVY satellite stuff is at the graduate level or professional certificate level. The undergrad stuff remains pretty pure.

Wharton Beijing is MBA. Cornell Tech is masters. NYU is undergraduate but that ain’t no ivy.

Yale Singapore is undergraduate.  So is Duke Kunshan.  Qatar is home to satellite undergraduate campuses of Northwestern, Carnegie Mellon, and Georgetown.

The point being, many elite schools have already capitalized on selling off their name for a price.

Ahh yes. Forgot about Yale Singapore. That place also has a 5% admit rate. Is there a lawsuit there too?

Nope.  More than 60% Asian.  ;D

One model for satellite campuses which comes to mind is this IIT from India. Lot of my consultant colleagues went to this one. Apparently I am told they expanded campuses (doubled them or so) when demand went up over the decades .

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Re: Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans
« Reply #64 on: October 18, 2018, 09:28:00 AM »
I don't support using race as a factor in college admissions, but I highly favor using socio-economic factors.

So your solution is to penalize the hard working students who chose the wrong, advantaged parents eventhough they don't anything for granted and works hard.  In my experience most of the social engineering advocates are hypocrytes who will never hire or utilize services of anyone less than the best when they really need something

The social engineering is happening every day, and you, I, other Irvine residents, and other affluent households are a big part of it. We should be highly skeptical and hesitant when government attempts to engineer opportunity and/or outcomes, but we can't simply ignore what's occurring.

I spend time talking about school every day and helping with homework. Nearly every day, an hour or two is spent on an extracurricular/enrichment activity. I spend hours, outside of normal practice, every week working on agility drills, basketball drills, baseball drills, etc.

I am engineering a short term and long term advantage every single day for my kids. This has a massive cumulative effect.

As you can probably tell, I think about this quite a bit. My kids have extreme advantages over other kids, including my childhood. So, I am social engineering inequalities.

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Re: Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans
« Reply #65 on: October 18, 2018, 09:30:13 AM »
I don't support using race as a factor in college admissions, but I highly favor using socio-economic factors.

So your solution is to penalize the hard working students who chose the wrong, advantaged parents eventhough they don't anything for granted and works hard.  In my experience most of the social engineering advocates are hypocrytes who will never hire or utilize services of anyone less than the best when they really need something

The social engineering is happening every day, and you, I, other Irvine residents, and other affluent households are a big part of it. We should be highly skeptical and hesitant when government attempts to engineer opportunity and/or outcomes, but we can't simply ignore what's occurring.

I spend time talking about school every day and helping with homework. Nearly every day, an hour or two is spent on an extracurricular/enrichment activity. I spend hours, outside of normal practice, every week working on agility drills, basketball drills, baseball drills, etc.

I am engineering a short term and long term advantage every single day for my kids. This has a massive cumulative effect.

As you can probably tell, I think about this quite a bit. My kids have extreme advantages over other kids, including my childhood. So, I am social engineering inequalities.

Or you can hire a tutor or after school can do the homework with them and help study.

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Re: Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans
« Reply #66 on: October 18, 2018, 10:42:25 AM »
I don't support using race as a factor in college admissions, but I highly favor using socio-economic factors.

So your solution is to penalize the hard working students who chose the wrong, advantaged parents eventhough they don't anything for granted and works hard.  In my experience most of the social engineering advocates are hypocrytes who will never hire or utilize services of anyone less than the best when they really need something

The social engineering is happening every day, and you, I, other Irvine residents, and other affluent households are a big part of it. We should be highly skeptical and hesitant when government attempts to engineer opportunity and/or outcomes, but we can't simply ignore what's occurring.

I spend time talking about school every day and helping with homework. Nearly every day, an hour or two is spent on an extracurricular/enrichment activity. I spend hours, outside of normal practice, every week working on agility drills, basketball drills, baseball drills, etc.

I am engineering a short term and long term advantage every single day for my kids. This has a massive cumulative effect.

As you can probably tell, I think about this quite a bit. My kids have extreme advantages over other kids, including my childhood. So, I am social engineering inequalities.

What I’m describing are accumulative merit-based advantages, knowledge and skills, higher income/wealth households contribute to their kids on a daily basis, over two decades.

We shouldn’t disregard non-merit-based advantages kids are born with, that affect opportunities, in youth and beyond. Imagine if college admission standards not only considered race, but also height, weight, attractiveness, baldness propensity, etc. High school seniors below average height, above average weight, and below average attractiveness are at a serious statistical disadvantage in the workplace.

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Re: Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans
« Reply #67 on: October 18, 2018, 11:01:03 AM »
We shouldn’t disregard non-merit-based advantages kids are born with, that affect opportunities, in youth and beyond. Imagine if college admission standards not only considered race, but also height, weight, attractiveness, baldness propensity, etc. High school seniors below average height, above average weight, and below average attractiveness are at a serious statistical disadvantage in the workplace.

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Race:  You could cosmetically change your appearance with some attributes of another ethnicity  (see Lisa of Blackpink), but you cannot change your race.

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Re: Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans
« Reply #68 on: October 18, 2018, 11:11:11 AM »
Race:  You could cosmetically change your appearance with some attributes of another ethnicity  (see Lisa of Blackpink), but you cannot change your race.

Some East Indians (ie. not native) can pass as African American.

https://nypost.com/2015/04/12/mindy-kalings-brother-explains-why-he-pretended-to-be-black/


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Re: Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans
« Reply #69 on: October 18, 2018, 11:43:14 AM »
Imagine if college admission standards not only considered race, but also height, weight, attractiveness, baldness propensity, etc.

Don't they already do this?  How many 5'8" scholarship baseball players are there on a DI, Top 25 school baseball roster?

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Re: Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans
« Reply #70 on: October 18, 2018, 12:09:23 PM »
Harvard already has initiatives in place that speak to this. 1 in 5 undergrads pay $0 bc their family income is <$65k.  The major sticking point for these Ivy’s with low admit rates and small freshman classes is the legacy piece. Legacies plus athletes eat into a big piece of the admissions pie. UC schools did away with legacies but I can’t see Ivys following suit.

+1

This is the Crux of the problem.

I interviewed 9 kids for my school (will remain unnamed but suffice to say right up there) last year , recommended 3 of them , all I felt were extremely qualified but none got in .

One guy had so much on his resume (original stuff like creative arts , part of it got commercialized) that I was left scratching my head as to how did I myself ever manage to get in .

Think about it — over the decades , wealth levels have gone up, likes marrying likes has gone up, and the desire to attend these institutions has skyrocketed. But they have monopoly on supply . Bmw and Mercedes had scarcity value at one point in the 80s now they have a model for every budget

The “market “ solution is for these universities to launch other , satellite campuses . But they won’t — as the current setup incentivizes prestige and snobbery over really trying to meet consumer demand.  Just witness their endowments which now rival many sovereign wealth funds .

The Market solution is what they currently are doing.

You all missed the really important one, the Dean's special interest list.

And let's be honest, the reason you want your non-1% kid going to Harvard is to get access to that group of people on the special interest list.

Access to the people through commonality that were previously on the interest list.

Take away the special interest list and the dogged limitations for only taking Harvard, Yale or other Ivy graduates into certain roles will follow.

Once that goes, so goes your desire to get into them.

And if you're not getting that Ivy education to get access to a specific connection, what are you doing?

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Re: Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans
« Reply #71 on: October 18, 2018, 12:16:03 PM »
Imagine if college admission standards not only considered race, but also height, weight, attractiveness, baldness propensity, etc.

Don't they already do this?  How many 5'8" scholarship baseball players are there on a DI, Top 25 school baseball roster?

College athletic scholarships are another can of worms, a topic of many very good books.

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Re: Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans
« Reply #72 on: October 18, 2018, 03:39:44 PM »
Asian-American Affirmative-Action Lawsuit Against Harvard Has Always Been On Behalf Of Mediocre White People
If white supremacists cared about Asian-American students, they'd be fighting to hold Harvard accountable to Bakke, not destroy it.

https://abovethelaw.com/2018/10/asian-american-affirmative-action-lawsuit-against-harvard-has-always-been-on-behalf-of-mediocre-white-people/

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Re: Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans
« Reply #73 on: October 18, 2018, 04:42:55 PM »
Asian-American Affirmative-Action Lawsuit Against Harvard Has Always Been On Behalf Of Mediocre White People
If white supremacists cared about Asian-American students, they'd be fighting to hold Harvard accountable to Bakke, not destroy it.

https://abovethelaw.com/2018/10/asian-american-affirmative-action-lawsuit-against-harvard-has-always-been-on-behalf-of-mediocre-white-people/

If you've ever seen Elie Mystal on MSNBC, he is the "angry black man" right out of central casting: white people are responsible for all of society's ills.

However, I do agree with Elie in this piece that even if the SCOTUS overturns Bakke, the clever folks at Harvard and like minded schools will find other more ingenous ways of keeping Asians out. A selective school with a race blind admissions policy like Cal Tech is over 40% Asian. Harvard and its compatriots will go nuclear before they allow that to happen to them.




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Re: Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans
« Reply #74 on: October 18, 2018, 07:28:59 PM »
Asian-American Affirmative-Action Lawsuit Against Harvard Has Always Been On Behalf Of Mediocre White People
If white supremacists cared about Asian-American students, they'd be fighting to hold Harvard accountable to Bakke, not destroy it.

https://abovethelaw.com/2018/10/asian-american-affirmative-action-lawsuit-against-harvard-has-always-been-on-behalf-of-mediocre-white-people/

If you've ever seen Elie Mystal on MSNBC, he is the "angry black man" right out of central casting: white people are responsible for all of society's ills.

However, I do agree with Elie in this piece that even if the SCOTUS overturns Bakke, the clever folks at Harvard and like minded schools will find other more ingenous ways of keeping Asians out. A selective school with a race blind admissions policy like Cal Tech is over 40% Asian. Harvard and its compatriots will go nuclear before they allow that to happen to them.

Yea, he's changed over the years. His rage 10+ years ago was primarily directed at law schools over-charging students and burdening them with hundreds of thousands of dollars with meager prospects to earn good incomes. Above the Law's comments sections were filled with hate and vitriol, and he'd respond in the comments. Eventually ATL removed comments altogether because the comments just became a cesspool.

His columns have increasingly addressed political issues, with a very angry edge. "News" has evolved/devolved into entertainment and shock jock takes. I think that's part of his game. The Left needs a few guys/gals like this though. The Right is FULL of these folks.

 

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