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Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans

In court papers, Arlington, Virginia-based Students for Fair Admissions said an Asian-American male applicant with a 25 percent chance of admission would have a 35 percent chance if he was white, 75 percent if he were Hispanic and a 95 percent chance if he were black.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-harvard-discrimination/harvard-records-show-discrimination-against-asian-americans-group-idUSKBN1JB1UF

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Re: Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2018, 04:08:15 PM »
Harvard Rated Asian-American Applicants Lower on Personality Traits

Asian-Americans scored higher than applicants of any other racial or ethnic group on admissions measures like test scores, grades and extracurricular activities, according to the analysis commissioned by a group that opposes all race-based admissions criteria. But the students’ personal ratings significantly dragged down their chances of being admitted, the analysis found.

The court documents, filed in federal court in Boston, also showed that Harvard conducted an internal investigation into its admissions policies in 2013 and found a bias against Asian-American applicants. But Harvard never made the findings public or acted on them.

Alumni interviewers give Asian-Americans personal ratings comparable to those of whites. But the admissions office gives them the worst scores of any racial group, often without even meeting them, according to Prof. Arcidiacono.

University officials did concede that its 2013 internal review found that if Harvard considered only academic achievement, the Asian-American share of the class would rise to 43 percent from the actual 19 percent.

What brought the Asian-American number down to roughly 18 percent, or about the actual share, was accounting for a category called “demographic,” the study found. This pushed up African-American and Hispanic numbers, while reducing whites and Asian-Americans. The plaintiffs said this meant there was a penalty for being Asian-American.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/15/us/harvard-asian-enrollment-applicants.html

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Re: Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2018, 04:11:32 PM »
Public education is owned by liberals, and they have ruined it.

That is why the Clintons, and the Gores, and the Obamas all paid lip service to teachers' unions and inner city public schools, while all sent their children to private Sidwell Friends School. 

Edu-Hypocrisy big time.
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Re: Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2018, 04:18:46 PM »

What brought the Asian-American number down to roughly 18 percent, or about the actual share, was accounting for a category called “demographic,” the study found.

i think they misspelled "discrimination"

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Re: Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2018, 04:30:00 PM »
Public education is owned by liberals, and they have ruined it.

That is why the Clintons, and the Gores, and the Obamas all paid lip service to teachers' unions and inner city public schools, while all sent their children to private Sidwell Friends School. 

Edu-Hypocrisy big time.

What are you talking about? I am doubting you every time you make a post.
 
Trump went to a good university. (University of Pennsylvania-Wharton School of Business)

George W. Bush went Yale for his undergrad and MBA from Harvard.

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Re: Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2018, 05:14:17 PM »
That's not discrimination...that just bad EQ.   We had this discussion before.  Cookie-cutter candidates...looks good on paper but poor skill sets outside of academics.

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Re: Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2018, 06:25:49 PM »
Here is some affirmative action for you ...


“Scott Pruitt himself wanted to help his daughter get into UVA's elite law school. He placed a call to the former GOP speaker of the Virginia House, a UVA law school graduate, and ask him to weigh in with the UVA dean. His daughter got in. “

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/15/us/politics/scott-pruitt-epa-aides.html#click=https://t.co/kIglWv1tDQ

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Re: Harvard records show discrimination against Asian-Americans
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2018, 09:49:00 PM »
From the comments section of the NYT article:

"In the past, Asians were purportedly rejected because of too few extracurricular activities. Now that Asian students have well-rounded applications with leadership positions, sports, and multiple extracurricular activities, the new mode of discrimination is "poor personality"."


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Harvard Says Asians Have Terrible Personalities
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2018, 09:32:04 AM »

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Re: Harvard Says Asians Have Terrible Personalities
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2018, 10:17:33 AM »
Harvard says Asians Have Terrible Personalities

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/opinion/harvard-asian-american-racism.html

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The report by the plaintiff’s expert witness, the Duke University economist Peter Arcidiacono, revealed that Harvard evaluated applicants on the extent to which they possessed the following traits: likability, helpfulness, courage, kindness, positive personality, people like to be around them, the person is widely respected. Asian-Americans, who had the highest scores in both the academic and extracurricular ratings, lagged far behind all other racial groups in the degree to which they received high ratings on the personality score.

how do you evaluate someone on these "qualifications" in what i assume is a one time meeting? 

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Re: Harvard Says Asians Have Terrible Personalities
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2018, 01:10:48 PM »
Harvard says Asians Have Terrible Personalities

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/opinion/harvard-asian-american-racism.html

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The report by the plaintiff’s expert witness, the Duke University economist Peter Arcidiacono, revealed that Harvard evaluated applicants on the extent to which they possessed the following traits: likability, helpfulness, courage, kindness, positive personality, people like to be around them, the person is widely respected. Asian-Americans, who had the highest scores in both the academic and extracurricular ratings, lagged far behind all other racial groups in the degree to which they received high ratings on the personality score.

how do you evaluate someone on these "qualifications" in what i assume is a one time meeting?

Hmmm...job interviews?

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Re: Harvard Says Asians Have Terrible Personalities
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2018, 01:43:12 PM »
Harvard says Asians Have Terrible Personalities

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/opinion/harvard-asian-american-racism.html

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The report by the plaintiff’s expert witness, the Duke University economist Peter Arcidiacono, revealed that Harvard evaluated applicants on the extent to which they possessed the following traits: likability, helpfulness, courage, kindness, positive personality, people like to be around them, the person is widely respected. Asian-Americans, who had the highest scores in both the academic and extracurricular ratings, lagged far behind all other racial groups in the degree to which they received high ratings on the personality score.

how do you evaluate someone on these "qualifications" in what i assume is a one time meeting?

Hmmm...job interviews?

job interviews are typically 3-4 stage interview process.  i don't think college interviews are the same considering the thousands of applicants versus a handful competing for a job?

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Re: Harvard Says Asians Have Terrible Personalities
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2018, 02:40:13 PM »
Harvard says Asians Have Terrible Personalities

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/opinion/harvard-asian-american-racism.html

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The report by the plaintiff’s expert witness, the Duke University economist Peter Arcidiacono, revealed that Harvard evaluated applicants on the extent to which they possessed the following traits: likability, helpfulness, courage, kindness, positive personality, people like to be around them, the person is widely respected. Asian-Americans, who had the highest scores in both the academic and extracurricular ratings, lagged far behind all other racial groups in the degree to which they received high ratings on the personality score.

how do you evaluate someone on these "qualifications" in what i assume is a one time meeting?

Hmmm...job interviews?

job interviews are typically 3-4 stage interview process.  i don't think college interviews are the same considering the thousands of applicants versus a handful competing for a job?

Most job interviews are an one-shot deal.  I am not sure why college admission are viewed differently than looking for jobs.

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Re: Harvard Says Asians Have Terrible Personalities
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2018, 02:45:13 PM »
Harvard says Asians Have Terrible Personalities

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/opinion/harvard-asian-american-racism.html

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The report by the plaintiff’s expert witness, the Duke University economist Peter Arcidiacono, revealed that Harvard evaluated applicants on the extent to which they possessed the following traits: likability, helpfulness, courage, kindness, positive personality, people like to be around them, the person is widely respected. Asian-Americans, who had the highest scores in both the academic and extracurricular ratings, lagged far behind all other racial groups in the degree to which they received high ratings on the personality score.

how do you evaluate someone on these "qualifications" in what i assume is a one time meeting?

Of course, "personality" is the most subjective rating of all, and highly dependent on how the interviewer clicks with the interviewee. The interviewer can not avoid bringing their own biases to the table.


Very similar to what Harvard and other Ivies did to Jews early in the 20th century to limit "unacceptably" high numbers of a minority group.






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Re: Harvard Says Asians Have Terrible Personalities
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2018, 03:00:09 PM »
Harvard says Asians Have Terrible Personalities

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/opinion/harvard-asian-american-racism.html

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The report by the plaintiff’s expert witness, the Duke University economist Peter Arcidiacono, revealed that Harvard evaluated applicants on the extent to which they possessed the following traits: likability, helpfulness, courage, kindness, positive personality, people like to be around them, the person is widely respected. Asian-Americans, who had the highest scores in both the academic and extracurricular ratings, lagged far behind all other racial groups in the degree to which they received high ratings on the personality score.

how do you evaluate someone on these "qualifications" in what i assume is a one time meeting?

Of course, "personality" is the most subjective rating of all, and highly dependent on how the interviewer clicks with the interviewee. The interviewer can not avoid bringing their own biases to the table.


Very similar to what Harvard and other Ivies did to Jews early in the 20th century to limit "unacceptably" high numbers of a minority group.

True but all standards for college admissions have problems of their own.   That's why you are supposed to view them in totality.   Again...there are multiple types of intelligence...focusing on academic intelligence is a poor way to admit students.

 

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