Too Many Asian Americans

It definitely makes sense to limit Asians in US colleges. Asians make up 60% of the worlds population (per Wikipedia).

If we let them all in, US colleges would be all Asian.  That wouldn?t make sense in a country of majority whites. As they continue to limit Asians they need to increase the Hispanic admission rate so at least 17% (US is 17% Hispanic) of the college population is Hispanic. This would more accurately reflect the US population and get kids ready for real conditions when they enter the US workforce.
 
Why don't we just admit the most qualified students without any regard for their race/ethnicity?  If you do want to retain some type of affirmative action, let's base it on socio-economic status, not race/ethnicity.

There is actually a shortage of college students right now compared to the number of slots available.  Everybody who wants to attend college should be able to without any problem.  There aren't enough Asian American students to take up all of the slots, so whites, hispanics, and blacks won't be excluded from the system just because we treat prospective Asian students more fairly.
 
qwerty said:
If there is a shortage it?s because it?s too damn expensive

Price is simply a sorting mechanism.  It will flatten, but I doubt that it will come down as a result of the shortage of students.

Instead, there will be a lot of private schools that shut down.  Some have already shut down, like the college that Bernie Sanders' wife was running, and many others are teetering on bankruptcy and using creative accounting gimmicks to stay afloat.  That will make the statistics look like the cost of college is coming down on average, when in reality it's just due to overpriced private schools disappearing.
 
qwerty said:
It definitely makes sense to limit Asians in US colleges. Asians make up 60% of the worlds population (per Wikipedia).

Since Asians had to work harder to get into college, are Asian graduates more qualified then other races?
So if your child had cancer, would you have them see the Asian Harvard doctor or the Black Harvard doctor?
 
zubs said:
qwerty said:
It definitely makes sense to limit Asians in US colleges. Asians make up 60% of the worlds population (per Wikipedia).

Since Asians had to work harder to get into college, are Asian graduates more qualified then other races?
So if your child had cancer, would you have them see the Asian Harvard doctor or the Black Harvard doctor?

This isn't just about doctors either.  If a school like MIT is discriminating based on race, that means some of the worlds greatest innovators are being stifled by affirmative action.

This doesn't just hurt Asian Americans.  It hurts all of society that could be benefitting from the brilliance of Asian American students because they are prevented from reaching their full potential. 
 
It depends if the Asian is American or foreign who has an impossible to understand accent. I would assume if a black doctor got that far he would have had to work twice as hard to overcome prejudices. Asians usually get the benefit of the doubt and are often assumed to be smarter than they are. From my experience going to a mediocre public university, they also have a higher propensity to cheat. Harvard students are probably different though. This being said, there is no way I would let Ben Carson near my brain.
 
If we're looking strictly at Asian American demographic (excluding foreign students who are cash cows for the school), they represent only 5.6% of US population.  In terms of college attainment there is a huge gap between East Asian and SE Asian groups.

In this country we are artificially divided into racial groups like "Asian American", "African American", and so on even if people in the groupings are quite diverse.  If we want to implement affirmative action policies then I say we bootstrap SE Asian groups like Hmong, Cambodian, Laotian, etc.
 
the real question is why do we even have race on college applications?  do you put your race on your resume?
 
Liar Loan said:
There is actually a shortage of college students right now compared to the number of slots available.

Not in many CA colleges.

Everybody who wants to attend college should be able to without any problem.

I agree.

There aren't enough Asian American students to take up all of the slots, so whites, hispanics, and blacks won't be excluded from the system just because we treat prospective Asian students more fairly.

But don't they take up all the high-demand colleges?
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Liar Loan said:
There is actually a shortage of college students right now compared to the number of slots available.

Not in many CA colleges.

I don't know the particulars in California, but we do have an abundance of state-funded colleges here that many other states don't.  That lower cost while still maintaining a high quality education might be the reason why.

irvinehomeowner said:
There aren't enough Asian American students to take up all of the slots, so whites, hispanics, and blacks won't be excluded from the system just because we treat prospective Asian students more fairly.

But don't they take up all the high-demand colleges?

According to the study cited, Caltech doesn't have any racial quotas, yet only about 40% of the school is Asian, and surprisingly (according to the study) hispanics make up 12% of the student body.
 
Liar Loan said:
According to the study cited, Caltech doesn't have any racial quotas, yet only about 40% of the school is Asian, and surprisingly (according to the study) hispanics make up 12% of the student body.

Mexicans are good at math.  Haven't you seen Stand & Deliver, homes?
 
Liar Loan said:
This isn't just about doctors either.  If a school like MIT is discriminating based on race, that means some of the worlds greatest innovators are being stifled by affirmative action.

This doesn't just hurt Asian Americans.  It hurts all of society that could be benefitting from the brilliance of Asian American students because they are prevented from reaching their full potential.


Many of the innovators who changed the world (Wright Brothers, Edison, Bell, Faraday, Einstein, Mozart, etc) had very undistinguished formal education or no formal education at all. Actually, highly educated innovators, like Isaac Newton, are rare in history. If you look at the long sweep of history, it appears that an elite education stifles innovation. Also, Asians have a pretty poor recent track record for innovation. The Chinese and Koreans today, like the Japanese before them, do not value innovation and instead simply copy the successful methods of others.

 
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