More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades

StarmanMBA

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Educational achievement across the board continues to decline, even as billions of dollars more have been handed over to greedy educrats.  College students spend 2.76 hours per day on all education activities, including classes and homework.

Students majoring in feminist (sic) studies and other whiny, useless non-disciplines increased 300% since 1990.
http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/11/study-college-students-spend-far-time-playing-studying/

The study is eighteen months old, but was recently cited on cable news.

"Public education is a socialist monopoly, a real one." - The Late Milton Friedman, Professor and Nobel Laureate in Economics
 
I like how you have tried to club WB with SG--which are two grades different 😄. You know--which one is higher
 
Burn That Belly said:

He's still in training while earning $50k/year.  The bright kids attending private colleges are paying $50k/year, so after 4 years they are $400,000 behind the ironworker.  Plus he will retire sooner with a pension and they won't.

It would be interesting to see an economist determine how many years, on average, after graduation to break even with the iron worker.
 
Liar Loan said:
Burn That Belly said:

He's still in training while earning $50k/year.  The bright kids attending private colleges are paying $50k/year, so after 4 years they are $400,000 behind the ironworker.  Plus he will retire sooner with a pension and they won't.

It would be interesting to see an economist determine how many years, on average, after graduation to break even with the iron worker.

I worked while in college and graduated with $200k in the bank with no student debt.

Very few students pay for college with 100% student debt. Those that do are foolish as you say.
 
paperboyNC said:
I worked while in college and graduated with $200k in the bank with no student debt.

Not all of us are good looking enough to be Chippendale dancers. :)

I'd be rich if ugly was currency.
 
I just listened to yet another pathetic political announcement by the California Teachers Association on the radio.  They wailed about "billionaires Donald Trump and Betsy DeVos."
They lied that "charter schools lack accountability."  What they MEAN is that charter schools don't answer to CTA bureaucrats, who have been dumbing down education for decades.  Charter and private schools work SO WELL, that parents are clamoring to get their children into them.

In fact, charter and private schools are SO GOOD that public school teachers send their children to them at a higher percentage than does the public at large.  Michelle and Barack Obama sent their girls to a private school, all the while proclaiming the virtues of public schools that weren't good enough for THEIR kids.  But then Bill and Hillary and Al and Tipper Gore did the very same thing.

Hypocrisy is a mantle worn by the Left that will remain forever.

The New York City school district provided a rating of schools showing that the charter school run by the teachers union was in the 5th percentile of performance.

FOUR charter schools run by billionaire Carl Icahn were in the 88th up to the 100th percentile in achievement. 

There is a lesson for those who think and learn.  For the rest, educrats in particular, keep on moving.  Nothing to see here.

28326-quote-karl-marx-on-state-education
 
paperboyNC said:
Liar Loan said:
He's still in training while earning $50k/year.  The bright kids attending private colleges are paying $50k/year, so after 4 years they are $400,000 behind the ironworker.  Plus he will retire sooner with a pension and they won't.

It would be interesting to see an economist determine how many years, on average, after graduation to break even with the iron worker.

I worked while in college and graduated with $200k in the bank with no student debt.

Very few students pay for college with 100% student debt. Those that do are foolish as you say.

I worked and graduated with no debt either, but then I went to a very affordable Cal State.

But I wasn't talking about debt in my post.  I was simply talking about the cost of attending.  The ironworker is getting paid $50k/year for their education and the high achiever is paying $50k for theirs.  After 4 years that's a $400k difference.
 
StarmanMBA said:
I just listened to yet another pathetic political announcement by the California Teachers Association on the radio.  They wailed about "billionaires Donald Trump and Betsy DeVos."
They lied that "charter schools lack accountability."  What they MEAN is that charter schools don't answer to CTA bureaucrats, who have been dumbing down education for decades. 

In fact, charter and private schools are SO GOOD that public school teachers send their children to them at a higher percentage than does the public at large.  Michelle and Barack Obama sent their girls to a private school, all the while proclaiming the virtues of public schools that weren't good enough for THEIR kids.  But then Bill and Hillary and Al ad Tipper Gore did the very same thing.

Hypocrisy is a mantle worn by the Left that will remain forever.

The New York City school district provided a rating of schools showing that the charter school run by the teachers union was in the 5th percentile of performance.

FOUR charter schools run by billionaire Carl Icahn were in the 88th up to the 100th percentile in achievement. 

There is a lesson for those who think and learn.  For the rest, educrats in particular, keep on moving.  Nothing to see here.

28326-quote-karl-marx-on-state-education

The CTA is slowly losing this battle.  Residents of areas with poor schools are fed up and don't care what the CTA/Dems have to say.  They want better options.

In LA/OC, school attendance numbers have been steadily dropping mainly due to the lack of housing affordability - families are moving inland or out of state - but poor performing public schools are also getting hit with the double whammy of charter schools taking their students as well.

The hiring practices at most schools around here is to offer a temporary contract that can be renewed after a year, because they have to be careful not to overhire teachers.  Luckily, at the moment Baby Boomers are retiring en masse and that is creating a lot of open positions even as the total number of teacher positions declines.  It's actually creating a shortage of teachers at the moment, but as this trend continues there will eventually be an oversupply of teachers again that won't be able to find work.

Luckily, my wife will be eligible to retire at age 51 with 50% of her very generous salary, so I won't need to worry about it.  8)
 
Don?t forget that CA is continuing to throw money at the underperforming schools with the current Local Control Funding Formula. Schools with certain challenging demographics are receiving a 30% increase in funding without showing improving scores. People need to wake up and see how unequal the funding between districts actually is. The higher tax areas should be demanding an equal share for their schools instead of subsidizing other areas.
 
Kangen.Irvine said:
Don?t forget that CA is continuing to throw money at the underperforming schools with the current Local Control Funding Formula. Schools with certain challenging demographics are receiving a 30% increase in funding without showing improving scores. People need to wake up and see how unequal the funding between districts actually is. The higher tax areas should be demanding an equal share for their schools instead of subsidizing other areas.

Irvine Teachers Association habitually argues that Irvine is underfunded, compared to other districts.  Sure, performance is outstanding, but money, money, money.

Underperforming districts make the reciprocal argument.  "We need more money to teach them better."  Oh and "We need more ESL teachers and materials, and SMALLER CLASSROOMS!"

John Stossel confronted a New York City educrat and said "Give me a class full of underperformers and see what I do with them." 

"Sure we will," lied the educrats.

At another meeting, the Educrat in Charge stood before his fawning teachers' union and said, "I'd like to see somebody else take our poorest performing students and bring their scores up!"

A stately nun stood up slowly and said, "On behalf of the Catholic Archodiocese, I accept your offer."

Never to be embarrassed by being outdone, the chief educrat refused to do what he said in his petty challenge.

The teachers union charter school performs in the 5th percentile.  The four Icahn Charter Schools perform in the 88th, 96th, 99th, and 100th percentiles.

Oh my, this nasty "billionaire" knows nothing about education, does he.
 
eyephone said:
So what?s your solution?

What was Al and Tipiper Gore's "solution"?
What was Bill and Hillary Clinton's "solution"?
What was Barack and Michelle Obama's "solution"?

They sent THEIR precious children to a private school.

What is the "solution" of a larger percentage of public school teachers than the public at large?  Sending THEIR precious children to private and charter schools.

What was the "solution" of Professor Milton Friedman?  Opening more charter schools, such as Carl Icahn Charter School 1 and Carl Icahn Charter School 2 and Carl Icahn Charter School 3 and Carl Icahn Charter School 4, far outperforming the New York City Teachers Union Charter School, at the 5th percentile.

What  was the "solution" proposed by my friend, a physics professor at a public university?  "Eliminate tenure" he said without hesitation.

The graph of money spent per student, in constant dollars, over the past 40 years, goes up at something like a 45 degree angle.  The PERFORMANCE resulting from this meteoric rise in per pupil spending goes down, for forty years.

Money is inversely correlated with educational performance, so naturally liberals simply clamor for... more  money, as always.  It hasn't worked, but facts never stand in their way.  They're smarter than anyone else, and therefore  better than anyone else.  They tell everyone every single day.
 
StarmanMBA said:
eyephone said:
So what?s your solution?

What was Al and Tipiper Gore's "solution"?
What was Bill and Hillary Clinton's "solution"?
What was Barack and Michelle Obama's "solution"?

They sent THEIR precious children to a private school.

What is the "solution" of a larger percentage of public school teachers than the public at large?  Sending THEIR precious children to private and charter schools.

What was the "solution" of Professor Milton Friedman?  Opening more charter schools, such as Carl Icahn Charter School 1 and Carl Icahn Charter School 2 and Carl Icahn Charter School 3 and Carl Icahn Charter School 4, far outperforming the New York City Teachers Union Charter School, at the 5th percentile.

What  was the "solution" proposed by my friend, a physics professor at a public university?  "Eliminate tenure" he said without hesitation.

The graph of money spent per student, in constant dollars, over the past 40 years, goes up at something like a 45 degree angle.  The PERFORMANCE resulting from this meteoric rise in per pupil spending goes down, for forty years.

Money is inversely correlated with educational performance, so naturally liberals simply clamor for... more  money, as always.  It hasn't worked, but facts never stand in their way.  They're smarter than anyone else, and therefore  better than anyone else.  They tell everyone every single day.

Is that your solution? To talk about gore and Clinton.
 
eyephone said:
So what?s your solution?

A reasonable person would not have had to ask such a question.  Your reason for doing so was only to continue to stalk and harass me, as a quick review of your most recent posts reveals:

YOUR recent posts, eyephone, are these, by number:

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/ Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
? on: Today at 11:31:59 AM ?
Quote from: StarmanMBA on Today at 11:15:54 AM
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Is that your solution? To talk about gore (sic) and Clinton.



2.  Education / Re: More Money Has Bought Dumber Students For Decades
? on: Today at 10:14:00 AM ?
So what?s your solution?

5.  My thread on 

Water Cooler / Re: The Revolting Democrats Just Keep On Revolting
? on: Yesterday at 09:37:26 AM ?
Quote from: freedomcm on Yesterday at 07:04:49 AM
Why does the right continue to focus on Hillary, who is no longer relevant, now that trump is in office?

It?s like blaming the company troubles for an employee that left the company a while ago.

You didn?t meet the company?s sales budget last year because of the person who left. Then the reason why you are not meeting the current sales budget because of the person who left.

Stop making excuses.

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City Hall / Re: Mimi Walters - CA45 Rep missing in action?
? on: April 26, 2018, 06:58:35 PM ?
Quote from: StarmanMBA on April 26, 2018, 04:04:07 PM
Quote from: eyephone on April 26, 2018, 03:46:03 PM


You have great ideas. Have you consider volunteering for Mimi?

I would in a second.  I love her.

You would. But what?s stopping you?

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City Hall / Re: Mimi Walters - CA45 Rep missing in action?
? on: April 26, 2018, 03:46:03 PM ?
Quote from: StarmanMBA on April 26, 2018, 03:44:51 PMhttp://i.magaimg.net/img/2ka4.png

$40 from the Magnificent Obama, splendid.  Spectacular.  - Nancy Pelosi 2011

$1,000 from Trump. Crumbs. Pathetic. Insignificant. - Nancy Pelosi 2018

You have great ideas. Have you consider volunteering for Mimi?


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City Hall / Re: Building in Irvine: Too Fast and I?m Furious
? on: April 26, 2018, 03:35:02 PM ?
Quote from: StarmanMBA on April 26, 2018, 02:58:30 PM
How exhausting it is for NIMBYs and Leftists to always be offended, and driving  off to protests and council meetings to vent their spleens.....

How about the alt R? They don?t gather with torches or protest?


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Water Cooler / Re: President Trump
? on: April 25, 2018, 08:21:21 PM ?
Quote from: StarmanMBA on April 25, 2018, 08:05:39 PM
Quote from: Kings on April 25, 2018, 04:10:47 PM
where's my popcorn?


Obama was in office for eight years and nothing in Chicago changed.

Poor people have been voting Democrat for fifty years and they're still poor.  - Sir Charles Barkeley, black NBA superstar

And your (sic) not?



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City Hall / Re: Mass Transit
? on: April 25, 2018, 01:43:24 PM ?
Quote from: StarmanMBA on April 25, 2018, 01:38:27 PM
Quote from: acpme on April 25, 2018, 10:45:03 AM
Amazingly I'm with Star on this one. Mass transit is not the solution. It's a last gen solution and not a next gen one. Also, mass transit works best in major cities centered around a downtown core.

Yes indeed, using common sense and good judgment is "amazing," isn't it.

So do the following cities: Austin, OKC, Durham have bad judgement (sic)  since they are going to have a light rail or already have one? (GOP stronghold)
I?m sure there?s more ....

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Learn the difference between "you're" and "your."  It's sixth grade level English.  Try to master it.    "gore" (sic) is the last name of former Vice President Al Gore. It is a proper name and should be capitalized.  Again, sixth grade level English. 
Even AFTER I showed you how to spell "judgment," you immediately misspelled it in Item #14.  Rather than express an iota of embarrassment at your ongoing  ignorance, I'm sure you will try attacking me again.  It won't work. 

You stalk and harass like a sixth grade bully.  Grow up and act civilly, if you can. It worked when you were a child, and of course it still works on adults who may be vulnerable or insecure.  It won't work on me.  Got it?


 
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